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Liverpool FC - The Climb to a Superclub (1 Viewer)

"Brendan Rodgers and Jurgen Klopp have the exact same record in their first 54 Premier League matches as Liverpool manager.

Both Rodgers and Klopp won 26 games, drew 16 and lost 12."

 
AAABatteries said:
"Brendan Rodgers and Jurgen Klopp have the exact same record in their first 54 Premier League matches as Liverpool manager.

Both Rodgers and Klopp won 26 games, drew 16 and lost 12."
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pretty sure- and I have this on good authority- that's what's in the envelope.

 
I'll tackle Spurs.

Players out:  Rose, Vertonghen, Lamela

Likely formation: 4231

Starters: Lloris; Walker, Dier, Alderweireld, Davies; Wanyama, Dembele; Eriksen, Dele, Son; Kane

Bench: Vorm, Trippier, Wimmer, CCV, Winks, Sissoko, Janssen

Spurs had made a successful move to a 343/3421 formation at the start of the year.  Injuries to Vertonghen, and now Rose, make it unlikely that Spurs will use that formation now - they switched mid-way through the 1st half at Man City when Wimmer could not handle the pace of City's attacking players.  Liverpool presents the same challenge with Mane and Lallama.

Spurs typical game-plan to play out from the back, maintain possession, and try to win the ball back up high.  Spurs have not been as aggressive with the press this year - presumably because of injuries, and seeing the squad get worn down last season.  In this match, I would not be surprised to see Spurs concede more possession, and play a little bit deeper, and try to hit Liverpool on more counter-attacks.  Spurs will be vulnerable to Liverpool's pace in the attack, so I expect that will keep Walker and Davies in check - more so Davies.

I am expecting a big performance from Liverpool.  Match is at Anfield, Liverpool need a result to stay in the race for top-4, and Spurs won't park the bus, so that should give Liverpool every opportunity to re-find their goal-scoring touch.  But, this is another opportunity for Spurs to shake some of their historical demons.

I am going to go with a 2-2 draw, and both clubs draw some positives from the result.

 
AAABatteries said:
OH MY GOD
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2 days later and I'm still in shock someone came up with this, let alone actually went through with it.

:lmao:  Lalamma :lmao:  

Some poor sap is going to be giving this chick some fake chow and there he is literally in the dude's right ear.  

 
Sinn Fein said:
I'll tackle Spurs.

Players out:  Rose, Vertonghen, Lamela

Likely formation: 4231

Starters: Lloris; Walker, Dier, Alderweireld, Davies; Wanyama, Dembele; Eriksen, Dele, Son; Kane

Bench: Vorm, Trippier, Wimmer, CCV, Winks, Sissoko, Janssen

Spurs had made a successful move to a 343/3421 formation at the start of the year.  Injuries to Vertonghen, and now Rose, make it unlikely that Spurs will use that formation now - they switched mid-way through the 1st half at Man City when Wimmer could not handle the pace of City's attacking players.  Liverpool presents the same challenge with Mane and Lallama.

Spurs typical game-plan to play out from the back, maintain possession, and try to win the ball back up high.  Spurs have not been as aggressive with the press this year - presumably because of injuries, and seeing the squad get worn down last season.  In this match, I would not be surprised to see Spurs concede more possession, and play a little bit deeper, and try to hit Liverpool on more counter-attacks.  Spurs will be vulnerable to Liverpool's pace in the attack, so I expect that will keep Walker and Davies in check - more so Davies.

I am expecting a big performance from Liverpool.  Match is at Anfield, Liverpool need a result to stay in the race for top-4, and Spurs won't park the bus, so that should give Liverpool every opportunity to re-find their goal-scoring touch.  But, this is another opportunity for Spurs to shake some of their historical demons.

I am going to go with a 2-2 draw, and both clubs draw some positives from the result.
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Lfc need a big win.  A draw doesn't do much for the team.  16 days until the next game.  

 
Don't know if Klopp is good for Liverpool, but he is good for soccer.

For the Spain mid-season camp, Klopp apparently forced the players to share rooms and decided room-mates by lottery:

Jurgen Klopp conducted an FA Cup style draw to determine the sleeping arrangements on Liverpool's warm weather training camp in La Manga.

Players usually have their own rooms on away trips but Klopp decided he wanted them to share during their four-night stay at the five-star Hotel Principe Felipe as part of his team building exercise.

 which led to this Kloppism:

“Simon Mignolet is with Conor Masterson, I'm not sure that Simon even knew Conor before this trip. But after four days here he really will."

:lol:

 
Sinn Fein said:
Don't know if Klopp is good for Liverpool, but he is good for soccer.

For the Spain mid-season camp, Klopp apparently forced the players to share rooms and decided room-mates by lottery:

Jurgen Klopp conducted an FA Cup style draw to determine the sleeping arrangements on Liverpool's warm weather training camp in La Manga.

Players usually have their own rooms on away trips but Klopp decided he wanted them to share during their four-night stay at the five-star Hotel Principe Felipe as part of his team building exercise.

 which led to this Kloppism:

“Simon Mignolet is with Conor Masterson, I'm not sure that Simon even knew Conor before this trip. But after four days here he really will."

:lol:
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:lmao:  this is great.

 
Place


Team


W


D


L


GF


GA


Points


GD


Games


1


Everton


5


2


0


17


4


17


13


7


2


Tottenham


4


2


1


13


4


14


9


7


3


Chelsea


4


2


1


13


6


14


7


7


4


West Brom


4


2


1


11


9


14


2


7


5


Manchester City


4


1


1


12


8


13


4


6


6


Manchester United


3


3


0


9


2


12


7


6


7


Swansea


4


0


3


11


13


12


-2


7


8


West Ham


3


2


2


9


8


11


1


7


9


Stoke


3


2


2


8


8


11


0


7


10


Arsenal


3


1


2


13


9


10


4


6


11


Watford


2


3


2


7


9


9


-2


7


12


Burnley


2


2


3


7


8


8


-1


7


13


Hull City


2


2


3


7


9


8


-2


7


14


Southampton


2


0


4


9


9


6


0


6


15


Liverpool


1


3


3


9


12


6


-3


7


16


Crystal Palace


2


0


5


4


11


6


-7


7


17


Sunderland


1


2


4


7


13


5


-6


7


18


Middlesbrough


0


4


3


2


6


4


-4


7


19


Leicester


1


1


5


3


13


4


-10


7


20


Bournemouth


0


2


5


10


20


2


-10


7





Table for the 2nd half of the season 

 
Sinn Fein said:
Place


Team


W


D


L


GF


GA


Points


GD


Games


1


Everton


5


2


0


17


4


17


13


7


2


Tottenham


4


2


1


13


4


14


9


7


3


Chelsea


4


2


1


13


6


14


7


7


4


West Brom


4


2


1


11


9


14


2


7


5


Manchester City


4


1


1


12


8


13


4


6


6


Manchester United


3


3


0


9


2


12


7


6


7


Swansea


4


0


3


11


13


12


-2


7


8


West Ham


3


2


2


9


8


11


1


7


9


Stoke


3


2


2


8


8


11


0


7


10


Arsenal


3


1


2


13


9


10


4


6


11


Watford


2


3


2


7


9


9


-2


7


12


Burnley


2


2


3


7


8


8


-1


7


13


Hull City


2


2


3


7


9


8


-2


7


14


Southampton


2


0


4


9


9


6


0


6


15


Liverpool


1


3


3


9


12


6


-3


7


16


Crystal Palace


2


0


5


4


11


6


-7


7


17


Sunderland


1


2


4


7


13


5


-6


7


18


Middlesbrough


0


4


3


2


6


4


-4


7


19


Leicester


1


1


5


3


13


4


-10


7


20


Bournemouth


0


2


5


10


20


2


-10


7





Table for the 2nd half of the season 
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Dang.

 
Sinn Fein said:
Place


Team


W


D


L


GF


GA


Points


GD


Games


1


Everton


5


2


0


17


4


17


13


7


2


Tottenham


4


2


1


13


4


14


9


7


3


Chelsea


4


2


1


13


6


14


7


7


4


West Brom


4


2


1


11


9


14


2


7


5


Manchester City


4


1


1


12


8


13


4


6


6


Manchester United


3


3


0


9


2


12


7


6


7


Swansea


4


0


3


11


13


12


-2


7


8


West Ham


3


2


2


9


8


11


1


7


9


Stoke


3


2


2


8


8


11


0


7


10


Arsenal


3


1


2


13


9


10


4


6


11


Watford


2


3


2


7


9


9


-2


7


12


Burnley


2


2


3


7


8


8


-1


7


13


Hull City


2


2


3


7


9


8


-2


7


14


Southampton


2


0


4


9


9


6


0


6


15


Liverpool


1


3


3


9


12


6


-3


7


16


Crystal Palace


2


0


5


4


11


6


-7


7


17


Sunderland


1


2


4


7


13


5


-6


7


18


Middlesbrough


0


4


3


2


6


4


-4


7


19


Leicester


1


1


5


3


13


4


-10


7


20


Bournemouth


0


2


5


10


20


2


-10


7





Table for the 2nd half of the season 
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To make matters worse at Anfield, look who is at the top...

 
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Table for the dates 11/26, 12/11, and 2/11

Ars             9 pts   3-0-0
South         9 pts   3-0-0
Swansea    9 pts   3-0-0
Liverpool    7 pts   2-1-0
ManU          7 pts   2-1-0
Man City     7 pts   2-1-0
Chelsea      7 pts   2-1-0
Stoke          6 pts   2-0-1
Lei              4  pts  1-1-1
Burn           4  pts  1-1-1
WHU           3 pts   0-3-0
Watford       3 pts  1-0-2
WBA            2 pts  0-2-1
Hull              2 pts  0-2-1
Midd            2 pts  0-2-1
Cry              1 pts  0-1-2
Everton        1 pts 0-1-2
Sun              0 pts 0-0-3
Bourn           0 pts 0-0-3
Tott               0 pts 0-0-3

ETA -- Dang

 
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gianmarco said:
Table for the dates 11/26, 12/11, and 2/11

Ars             9 pts   3-0-0
South         9 pts   3-0-0
Swansea    9 pts   3-0-0
Liverpool    7 pts   2-1-0
ManU          7 pts   2-1-0
Man City     7 pts   2-1-0
Chelsea      7 pts   2-1-0
Stoke          6 pts   2-0-1
Lei              4  pts  1-1-1
Burn           4  pts  1-1-1
WHU           3 pts   0-3-0
Watford       3 pts  1-0-2
WBA            2 pts  0-2-1
Hull              2 pts  0-2-1
Midd            2 pts  0-2-1
Cry              1 pts  0-1-2
Everton        1 pts 0-1-2
Sun              0 pts 0-0-3
Bourn           0 pts 0-0-3
Tott               0 pts 0-0-3

ETA -- Dang
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To make matters worse at White Hart Lane, look who is at the top...

 
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I like those last 38 league games tables. Seriously, they're fun to look at. Even if you have to toss out 30% of the teams because they haven't been around for the all of the last 38.

[tablesdork]

 
Sinn Fein said:
E-A Sports - he's in the game

Liverpool appoints video game executive and lifelong fan Peter Moore as new CEO.  Well, it can't get any worse can it?  Now Liverpool will have access to all the FIFA ratings for their scouting department :oldunsure:
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"In both roles at EA, he had ties to the sports industry, so the move to professional soccer actually makes a good deal of sense."

Does it actually?  Maybe, I guess.  The timing is odd. Ian Ayre moving to 1860 is odd.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
"In both roles at EA, he had ties to the sports industry, so the move to professional soccer actually makes a good deal of sense."

Does it actually?  Maybe, I guess.  The timing is odd. Ian Ayre moving to 1860 is odd.
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Not sure how much the CEO gets involved in the football operations.  I get that Ayre was on the transfer committee, but I'd imagine this guy would stay in his lane and just make sure he had a football staff he trusted. 

 
shader said:
It's time to wax poetic about Liverpool.  As the greatest club in the world, I figured this team deserved it's own thread.  

I'm a soccer newbie.  I haven't seen the ebbs and flows of football teams over time as I've seen in the NFL, college football, basketball, etc.  I can look back at the records, study history and try to figure it out, but without living it, it's tough. 

I said a year ago that the "big four", or the Chelsea/ManU/City/Arsenal stranglehold over the league was ending, and that seems to be true.  There is definitely 6 big teams, and everyone else.  

What I'm trying to determine is where Liverpool and Jurgen Klopp's philosophy is going to fit in over the next 5 years in this new era of 6 elite epl teams, and how Klopp may need to change his ideas.

His philosophy is simple.  He wants to develop young players.  He so far has a "net spend" of about 6.5M dollars.  In contrast, Brendan Rodgers spent a ridiculous amount of money.

This philosophy served him well at Borussia.  He bought Robert Lewandowski, Marco Reus for rather cheap sums.  He developed home-grown players into guys that helped Borussia win the Bundesliga twice in a row and get to the CL finals.

Will that work at Liverpool?

The question is whether that philosophy will work.  It seems to be working so far.  LFC sit 5 points behind Chelsea in 2nd.  

But on the flip side, 6th place is only 5 points behind as well.  

The premier league is all about money and buying players.  Man U wasn't happy and brought in Mourinho.  Did they ask Mourinho to re-shape this squad with a few key additions?  No, they went out and spent a ridiculous sum on Pogba, they bought Mkhitaryan and Bailly, and they are paying an extremely high salary to one of the top 3 strikers in the world, Zlatan. 

Man City have spent somewhere along the lines of 150M bucks on defense recently....and their defense still stinks.

Klopp did spend big bucks on Mane and Wijnaldum, both of whom have been key parts of this team, so it's not as if he won't spend money.  

But Klopp seems determined to build a team of like-minded individuals and try to build a youth system that develops players into the mold that he wants.  There's a great article over the weekend about his approach, and then he proceeded to play what essentially was an U-23 team in the FA cup game.

Overall, I'm excited about his direction.  But my concern is that the fans are going to be overly demanding.  It's quite possible that, despite being a really good team, Liverpool could finish in 5th or 6th place.  That would be seen as a "total disaster" by the Liverpool fans, many of whom are as deluded and unrealistic as you can get.  (a fanbase that reminds me of Alabama pre-Saban)

In that scenario, the fans would demand big money transfers.  Even the more rational fans would want to see big changes. But Jurgen isn't the type to go spend 80M on a superstar.  He wants to spend 15M on a young and talented up-and-coming player and develop him into a superstar.  While that might work at Borussia, where you can USUALLY make CL most years, the epl is a different animal.  As mentioned, there are 6 teams fighting for 4 spots.  Some years you will miss out.

If Liverpool head into next season on the heels of a 5th place finish and only sign 4-5 young and relatively cheap players, while ManU goes out and gets James Rodriguez or some other high-priced guy, the inferiority complex that LFC fans have will come out in spades and the pressure on Jurgen to deviate from his philosophy will grow.

Basically...will Jurgen's philosophy work in this new premier league that is spending huge amounts of money?  Will he have to adjust and go out and spend big money on superstars to compete?  Will he be given time by the fanbase to let guys like Divock Origi to develop into a premier striker, or is he going to be forced to just go buy and already developed stud striker?

I'm super excited, I love Klopp, but I also have my concerns as well.  I'm interested to see how his philosophy will change in this new era.

Thoughts from LFC fans?  Non-LFC fans, be gentle please.
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#kloppout

 
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