LJ in trouble (1 Viewer)

[Double_J]

KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP)—Larry Johnson was charged with pushing a woman at a Kansas City nightclub in February, the third time the Chiefs running back has been charged with assaulting a woman.

He is to appear in court Dec. 3 and could face a maximum jail term of six months and a $500 fine.

“I’m sure the league will get invovled in it, I would assume,” coach Herm Edwards said. “But I don’t know that. I haven’t heard anything.”

Edwards was evasive when asked if the two-time Pro Bowler would play this week against Tennessee.

“I haven’t made a decision on anybody right now,” Edwards said.

The 28-year-old player was charged last month. A 26-year-old woman accused Johnson of pushing the side of her head with an open hand at the Grand Emporium Saloon on Feb. 24, telling her “don’t touch me” as he made his way through the club.

The Chiefs (1-4) would be weakened without Johnson, who ran for 198 yards against Denver on Sept. 28 in their only victory of the season.

Johnson was not available Tuesday, an off day for the players. Johnson’s attorney, Kevin E.J. Regan, was in court Tuesday and not available for comment.

Capt. Rich Lockhart, spokesman for the Kansas City Police Department, said the charges were filed more than six months later because there were more pressing assault cases and detectives had trouble locating a witness.

Johnson was charged with felony aggravated assault and misdemeanor domestic battery in 2003. He was accused of waving a gun during an argument with a former girlfriend at his home. The charges were dropped when he agreed to a domestic violence diversion program.

Charges against Johnson in 2005 were dropped after a woman who accused him of pushing her to the ground at a Kansas City bar decided not to press charges and failed to appear in three court hearings.

AP Sports Writer Doug Tucker contributed to this report.

Will anything come of this and if it does who's the guy to pick up Smith or Charles?

Sorry if this has been posted, I did a search and didn't find anything.

 

[Ballstein]

none

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

Notice the court date is 12/4.....nothing to see for this season at least

 

[Cixelsyd]

Blame the O Line... if they were blocking better LJ wouldn't have had to push her out of the way.

 

[Chachi]

LJ is in trouble... because he sucks!

 

[Otis]

Notice the court date is 12/4.....nothing to see for this season at least

I don't understand why everyone is being so flippant about this. Here's the spin from Sportsline:

Larry Johnson, RB KCNews: Chiefs RB Larry Johnson was charged with pushing a woman at a Kansas City nightclub in February, the third time the Chiefs running back has been charged with assaulting a woman. He is to appear in court Dec. 3 and could face a maximum jail term of six months and a $500 fine. "I'm sure the league will get involved in it, I would assume," coach Herm Edwards said. "But I don't know that. I haven't heard anything." Edwards was evasive when asked if the two-time Pro Bowler would play this week against Tennessee. "I haven't made a decision on anybody right now," Edwards said.Analysis: Johnson might indeed face a suspension from the league, if not from his own coach. Until we know more, though, you should expect to start him as usual Week 7 against the Titans. He has had an inconsistent season so far and is only a No. 2 Fantasy option.

Seems to me that with Edwards acknowledging that the league could take action and also refusing to commit on personnel when asked about it, combined with LJ's recent constant complaining and trade demand, it doesn't seem out of the question to me that something could happen here. As an LJ owner in both my leagues, I've grabbed Charles off the waiver wire. I don't see why anyone would risk it, particularly if you're thin at RB.Trust me, I'd love to take some comfort in this but t he fact is that all I've heard in response so far is "this is old news." That doesn't explain Herm's statement.

 

[gianmarco]

This is the time to go grab Kolby Smith, IMO, as a cheap stash until this settles.

 

[omally]

This is the time to go grab Kolby Smith, IMO, as a cheap stash until this settles.

Wouldn't you rather stash Johnson's backup Jamaal Charles than Kolby Smith?

 

[thehornet]

Drop LJ right away. he's probably going to be suspended within the next day or two.

 

[Scooby1974]

Blame the O Line... if they were blocking better LJ wouldn't have had to push her out of the way.

I got a chuckle man, thanks.

 

[[icon]]

Drop LJ right away. he's probably going to be suspended within the next day or two.

 

[thehornet]

Drop LJ right away. he's probably going to be suspended within the next day or two.

This is a nonstory. LJ won't miss one second of playing time this year or next for this incident.

 

[Otis]

This is the time to go grab Kolby Smith, IMO, as a cheap stash until this settles.

Wouldn't you rather stash Johnson's backup Jamaal Charles than Kolby Smith?

 

[billygoat]

If he was stiff arming defenders like he does with girls I wouldn't have traded him.

 

[gianmarco]

This is the time to go grab Kolby Smith, IMO, as a cheap stash until this settles.

Wouldn't you rather stash Johnson's backup Jamaal Charles than Kolby Smith?

2 reasons. J. Charles is probably already rostered. Kolby Smith not as likely. Secondly, even with Charles listed as the #2, I'm not sure he's the guy that would shoulder most of the load. Kolby has shown he can come in and carry it 20 times/game and do well. This 2nd portion is mostly my opinion, but I've yet to see anything that has mentioned that Charles would be in line to get the bulk of the work if LJ were to miss time either.

 

[Double_J]

Drop LJ right away. he's probably going to be suspended within the next day or two.

This is a nonstory. LJ won't miss one second of playing time this year or next for this incident.

Good job. Mental note, never listen to thehornet.

 

[gianmarco]

This is the time to go grab Kolby Smith, IMO, as a cheap stash until this settles.

"(KFFL) Adam Teicher, of The Kansas City Star, reports Kansas City Chiefs RB Kolby Smith will start in the team's Week 7 game"As I was saying.........

 

[Righetti]

This is the time to go grab Kolby Smith, IMO, as a cheap stash until this settles.

Wouldn't you rather stash Johnson's backup Jamaal Charles than Kolby Smith?

 

[Football Jones]

Dynasty-wise, I really like Jamaal Charles. He's a guy you'll likely need to be patient with, tho. KC's offense is a mess, but the good news is teams can turn around pretty quickly nowdays. BTW, don't buy the "too small/not durable enough" stuff you hear about in regards to RBs like Charles. Fact is, we don't know who's going to be durable & who isn't. It has very little to do with size. That said, there's a point where I do become concerned about a RBs size (like Darren Sproles & Garrett Wolfe...those guys are just simply too light), but Jamaal Charles is big & strong enough to thrive in today's NFL.

The trend towards slimmer/less bulkier (thus, typically more athletic) RBs has been coming for awhile. You now see guys like Chris Johnson, Matt Forte, & Steve Slaton starting to emerge as productive RBs. McFadden is another rookie in that genre. And rookie Kevin Smith has a chance to be a decent back. Then you've got Adrian Peterson, Ryan Grant, & Jerious Norwood from recent drafts. There's more on the way, as well (in college).

There will always be a place for the thick RB. They may even continue to be the norm, but no longer will slimmer RBs be condemmed from the start. Today's offenses are spreading out, trying to create mismatches, thus, teams are really starting to take a strong interest in the more athletic RBs (again, typically, the slimmer/less bulkier runners).

 

[The Jacket]

Drop LJ right away. he's probably going to be suspended within the next day or two.

This is a nonstory. LJ won't miss one second of playing time this year or next for this incident.

Good job. Mental note, never listen to thehornet.

Mental note: READ the post."LJ won't miss one second of playing time this year or next for this incident."

 

[SCT]

This is the time to go grab Kolby Smith, IMO, as a cheap stash until this settles.

"(KFFL) Adam Teicher, of The Kansas City Star, reports Kansas City Chiefs RB Kolby Smith will start in the team's Week 7 game"As I was saying.........

What the deuce? Any other people confirm this?

 

[Otis]

Notice the court date is 12/4.....nothing to see for this season at least

I don't understand why everyone is being so flippant about this. Here's the spin from Sportsline:

Larry Johnson, RB KCNews: Chiefs RB Larry Johnson was charged with pushing a woman at a Kansas City nightclub in February, the third time the Chiefs running back has been charged with assaulting a woman. He is to appear in court Dec. 3 and could face a maximum jail term of six months and a $500 fine. "I'm sure the league will get involved in it, I would assume," coach Herm Edwards said. "But I don't know that. I haven't heard anything." Edwards was evasive when asked if the two-time Pro Bowler would play this week against Tennessee. "I haven't made a decision on anybody right now," Edwards said.Analysis: Johnson might indeed face a suspension from the league, if not from his own coach. Until we know more, though, you should expect to start him as usual Week 7 against the Titans. He has had an inconsistent season so far and is only a No. 2 Fantasy option.

Seems to me that with Edwards acknowledging that the league could take action and also refusing to commit on personnel when asked about it, combined with LJ's recent constant complaining and trade demand, it doesn't seem out of the question to me that something could happen here. As an LJ owner in both my leagues, I've grabbed Charles off the waiver wire. I don't see why anyone would risk it, particularly if you're thin at RB.Trust me, I'd love to take some comfort in this but t he fact is that all I've heard in response so far is "this is old news." That doesn't explain Herm's statement.

Glad I stashed Charles in my leagues when I could. The folks who were being flippant about this "non story" seemed to miss the red flags. Just glad I paid attention.

 

[gianmarco]

This is the time to go grab Kolby Smith, IMO, as a cheap stash until this settles.

Wouldn't you rather stash Johnson's backup Jamaal Charles than Kolby Smith?

Except Charles isn't starting this week. Kolby is.

 

[thehornet]

Drop LJ right away. he's probably going to be suspended within the next day or two.

This is a nonstory. LJ won't miss one second of playing time this year or next for this incident.

Good job. Mental note, never listen to thehornet.

Mental note: READ the post."LJ won't miss one second of playing time this year or next for this incident."

THis is funny because i said to drop him in this thread sarcastically because he was going to be suspended in a day or two. And look - he was! Yikes, i wasnt expecting that.The second thing I said about him not being suspended this year or next year for this incident still stands correct as The jacket pointed out.. He was benched by his coach for missing a meeting. It has nothing do with the Assault charge. Reading comprehension is missing around here most of the time.

 

[Football Jones]

I really like Jamaal Charles in dynasty leagues. Don't buy the "too small/not durable" stuff you hear in regards to RBs like Charles. Fact is, we don't know who will be durable & who won't. It has very litle to do with size. There's a point where I do become concerned about a smaller RBs' ability to be a feature back & remain durable (like Darren Sproles & Garrett Wolfe...those guys are just too light), but Charles is plenty big enough to thrive in today's NFL.

The hints of a trend towards a slimmer/less bulkier (thus, typically more athletic) RB have been out there for a few years. Offenses are changing a little bit...they're starting to spread out, which can create mismatches, & that tends to favor a more athletic runner (in general). Chris Johnson, Matt Forte, & Steve Slaton all came out this year & have been productive. Darren McFadden is another rookie in the slimmer/less bulkier genre. The same can be said of Kevin Smith. Then you have guys like Adrian Peterson, Ryan Grant, & Jerious Norwood from recent drafts. Those three RBs are the slimmer/less bulkier types, as well, who I believe will become more & more prominent in the NFL. There will always be a place for the thick RB. They may even continue to be the norm, but no longer will they be considered the only body type who can be successful.

 

[EBF]

Don't buy the "too small/not durable" stuff you hear in regards to RBs like Charles.

 

[Birdie048]

I really like Jamaal Charles in dynasty leagues. Don't buy the "too small/not durable" stuff you hear in regards to RBs like Charles. Fact is, we don't know who will be durable & who won't. It has very litle to do with size. There's a point where I do become concerned about a smaller RBs' ability to be a feature back & remain durable (like Darren Sproles & Garrett Wolfe...those guys are just too light), but Charles is plenty big enough to thrive in today's NFL.

I don't agree with your statement unless you "qualify" it as saying he is plenty big to thrive as a 3rd Down/ Change Pace RB in today's NFL. He was more of a track and field athlete before a football player and realized his financial future was not to be made as a runner unless he was carring the rock! He only focused on football mid-season Junior year.

Some sites list him as 5' 10" and 190 lbs. Some have him at 5'11" and 195 lbs. The height is fine for a RB, but I don't see him having the "hip swivel motion" to be a productive RB since his weight is not optimum for a up the middle RB.

I don't see him getting more than 8-9 touches a game with or without LJ.

Kolby Smith at 5'11" and 220 lb is better suited for the punishing task of an NFL RB.

While Charles might have the speed, Kolby has more RB potential IMO.

 

[bigbrownbag]

If Larry Johnson could not run behind this line or with this offense, what would make anyone think that Kolby Smith or Jamal Charles can?????

Lets get real here.

 

[Football Jones]

If Larry Johnson could not run behind this line or with this offense, what would make anyone think that Kolby Smith or Jamal Charles can?????Lets get real here.

That's why I said in my pevious post that Charles owners will need to be patient (talking dynasty, of course).

 

[Football Jones]

I really like Jamaal Charles in dynasty leagues. Don't buy the "too small/not durable" stuff you hear in regards to RBs like Charles. Fact is, we don't know who will be durable & who won't. It has very litle to do with size. There's a point where I do become concerned about a smaller RBs' ability to be a feature back & remain durable (like Darren Sproles & Garrett Wolfe...those guys are just too light), but Charles is plenty big enough to thrive in today's NFL.

I don't agree with your statement unless you "qualify" it as saying he is plenty big to thrive as a 3rd Down/ Change Pace RB in today's NFL. He was more of a track and field athlete before a football player and realized his financial future was not to be made as a runner unless he was carring the rock! He only focused on football mid-season Junior year.

Some sites list him as 5' 10" and 190 lbs. Some have him at 5'11" and 195 lbs. The height is fine for a RB, but I don't see him having the "hip swivel motion" to be a productive RB since his weight is not optimum for a up the middle RB.

I don't see him getting more than 8-9 touches a game with or without LJ.

Kolby Smith at 5'11" and 220 lb is better suited for the punishing task of an NFL RB.

While Charles might have the speed, Kolby has more RB potential IMO.

Actually, your post is exactly what I'm talking about. The days of excluding a RB because he isn't thick is behind us. Charles can, & will get a chance to be a feature back, IMO. Same for Chris Johnson, Matt Forte, Steve Slaton, & Darren McFadden. BTW, Charles is a much tougher runner than he's given credit for.With all due respect, Kolby Smith is the type of RB who would be better off as a backup or COP back. Charles is much more dynamic, & I believe he'll be the guy when LJ leaves. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

Charles needs to prove he can hold onto the ball. I like Charles' upside, but he still has a lot to prove. He ripped through the Big 12 last year and showed something. Like other rookies, he needs to improve how he blocks, catches, and holds onto the ball. I have seen him drop quite a few balls this season alone. He has loads of talent and can be a good pro RB.

 

[GoBirds]

Anyone else get the feeling Herm is trying to lose as many games as possible?

 

[BalcoBomber]

This week will be a bloodbath for any KC RB vs. TENN!!

 

[Righetti]

This is the time to go grab Kolby Smith, IMO, as a cheap stash until this settles.

Wouldn't you rather stash Johnson's backup Jamaal Charles than Kolby Smith?

Except Charles isn't starting this week. Kolby is.

 

[Diamond]

Anyone else get the feeling Herm is trying to lose as many games as possible?

It was obvious when he went to Tyler Thigpen.

 

[AcerFC]

I have had to monitor this situation closely because it looks like FWP is a no go and M Moore is rostered and the guy wont trade him for anyone.

Can anyone tell me where I can find the splits for carries for Charles vs. Smith as it looks like I may have to pick one up even though the match up is horrible

 

[AcerFC]

Forget the above, I found it on FBG.

Charles 21

Smith 4

Is that possible. Why is Smith starting. I have not followed the Chiefs at all but it clearly looks like Charles SHOULD be the man, but they are going with Smith.

 

[bjabrad]

Anyone else get the feeling Herm is trying to lose as many games as possible?

It was obvious when he went to Tyler Thigpen.

"You play to win the game!!!"Sorry, had to say it. But seriously, Croyle started game one and suffered a separated shoulder. Huard started game two but was benched in the first quarter due to a combination of mild head trauma, poor play and a desire to see what Thigpen could do. So far, Huard has been more effective than Thigpen but Huard has not been good. Croyle has played slightly less than one game so it would be premature to throw him under the bus for his performance this season unless not staying healthy is a crime and maybe it is.

 

[downsouth]

i see it like this...

yes TEN has a tough defense, but they aren't even in the top 10 against the run. they give up 100 yards a game. someone from KC should get some yards. that being said though, KC has no real QB. TEN will focus on stopping the run. i prefer jamal because the only way i see a KC RB having a big day is by somehow breaking one and IMO charles has the speed and potential to do that. Kolby's 15-20 won't go for much. i see jamaal breaking a long one. i'm going with the homerun potential in a game like this.

FWIW, i'm using jamaal over kolby in a 32-team league where my other RBs on byes.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

Forget the above, I found it on FBG.Charles 21Smith 4Is that possible. Why is Smith starting. I have not followed the Chiefs at all but it clearly looks like Charles SHOULD be the man, but they are going with Smith.

Hey Acer, I think it is similar to Dallas where Choice would get carries if MB3 went down, while Felix would still have the role he had (plus maybe a little bit more). Smith will probably get the start and the carries early on. Charles should get 3rd downs and get touches when the game is out of contention. The Chiefs tried to get Charles some catches in past games, but he battle the dropsies. When trailing, Charles gives the team a better chance of big plays, just like Felix for Dallas. Charles had some screens and draws in the previous games as the Chiefs tried to get him loose for the big play.

 

[AcerFC]

Forget the above, I found it on FBG.Charles 21Smith 4Is that possible. Why is Smith starting. I have not followed the Chiefs at all but it clearly looks like Charles SHOULD be the man, but they are going with Smith.

Hey Acer, I think it is similar to Dallas where Choice would get carries if MB3 went down, while Felix would still have the role he had (plus maybe a little bit more). Smith will probably get the start and the carries early on. Charles should get 3rd downs and get touches when the game is out of contention. The Chiefs tried to get Charles some catches in past games, but he battle the dropsies. When trailing, Charles gives the team a better chance of big plays, just like Felix for Dallas. Charles had some screens and draws in the previous games as the Chiefs tried to get him loose for the big play.

Jeff,Thanks for the clarification on that. It helped a lot. I picked up Charles for 15 bucks this morning but was not sold. I may have panicked but I traded J Cotchery and C Perry for S Morris and F Taylor. I feel better about Morris this week then CharlesThanks again

 

[gianmarco]

I may have panicked but I traded J Cotchery and C Perry for S Morris and F Taylor.

Ouch. I seriously hope this was a redraft. And even still.......ouch.

 

[AcerFC]

I may have panicked but I traded J Cotchery and C Perry for S Morris and F Taylor.

Ouch. I seriously hope this was a redraft. And even still.......ouch.

Yeah redraft but I have R Moss, B Edwards, D Bowe and H Ward so I felt like I needed the RBs more. Not trying to turn this AC. Back to regular programming