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PatrickT
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Larry Johnson has a broken right foot that will sideline him for the Kansas City Chiefs' remaining eight games, according to a report Tuesday on the web site of Denver television station Fox 31. The report, citing team sources, says Johnson is seeking a second opinion on the injury that the team initially described as a mid-foot sprain.
NFL.com article
EDIT: NM, this is a regurgitation of the Denver Post speculation.
NFL.com article
EDIT: NM, this is a regurgitation of the Denver Post speculation.
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PatrickT
Footballguy
If the media can do it, so can I!Hey, could someone please post a link to what the Denver media is saying about this story?
Max Power
Footballguy
Nothing New....
http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f2
KDVR Fox 31 in Denver reported the following story on their website Tuesday: "Kansas City Chiefs running back Larry Johnson is out for the season with a broken right foot. This was confirmed by a source within the Chiefs organization with direct knowledge of the situation."
Fox 31 is the same local TV station that broke the news of Travis Henry's positive marijuana test, so they've been a trusted source of fantasy sports information for, literally, weeks.
And WDAF Fox 4 in Kansas City has seen quite enough.
On Tuesday evening, they called out Fox 31 for initially reporting that it was Johnson's left foot, not his right. But that was only the jab. Then they delivered their finishing move: "The Chiefs completely deny this story, saying their medical staff hasn't told them anything about a broken bone in the foot."
Do they deny it? No, they completely deny it. Take that, Fox 31!
Don't make Leslie Carto and her precocious cat Baxter come over there and finish this thing.
While we wait anxiously to see if the intra-Fox situation escalates – look for KLJB Fox 18 in Davenport to enter the fray – fantasy owners have to deal with the LJ situation.
Johnson had 745 total yards, four touchdowns and three 100-yard rushing efforts through seven and three-quarters games before suffering the injury. Not bad for a guy who's been almost universally labeled a disappointment. The Chiefs upcoming schedule looks spectacular for fantasy purposes, too: Denver, at Indianapolis, Oakland, San Diego (LJ used to own the Chargers, but now they belong to Adrian Peterson), at Denver, Tennessee (OK, that one's tough), at Detroit, and at the Jets.
The foot/ankle injury certainly appeared to be severe. A.J. Hawk brought most of his 250 or so pounds down on Johnson's ankle, and everything bent in a gruesome way. Hard to imagine how that could happen without anything breaking. You can't reasonably expect LJ to return quickly, whether it's a break or a sprain. Whatever it is, it's painful. Johnson has been the subject of an unusual amount of incorrect and premature reporting this season, so it seems best to wait for the Chiefs to officially declare something.
Here's one of the many ways Herm Edwards has said that LJ isn't going to play in Week 10: "I always hate when something happens to a player because your job is to ask where a player is at, and my job is to tell you. But when I don’t have enough information, I don’t want to say something. And then all of a sudden you’re looking at me on a Friday saying, 'You didn’t tell me the truth.' As far as I know, it would be very difficult for (Johnson) to play this week."
A level of frustration is evident in those comments, and it's clearly matched in the fantasy community. Many of the early statements regarding Johnson issued by (and on behalf of) the Chiefs seem to contain the rhetoric of plausible deniability: "their medical staff hasn't told them anything" and "as far as I know" and "I don't have enough information."
It would not be at all surprising if the Fox 31 report proves true. If it does, you should bookmark their website. That's your new leading source for breaking fantasy sports information. Forget those hacks at Fox 4.
You should also target Priest Holmes. Obviously. Edwards had this to say to the Kansas City Star regarding the Chiefs' running back situation: "We’re going to have to do this by committee a little bit. I’m not going to sit here and say Priest Holmes is going to carry the ball 30 times. That’s not fair to Priest Holmes."
The early speculation is that Holmes will be limited to perhaps 15 carries per game. But if he's at all effective, it's difficult to believe that the Chiefs will show such restraint. This is the team that gave Johnson 416 carries last season. Edwards seems to be doing the 34-year-old Holmes a favor by establishing rather low and attainable expectations, at least publicly. Holmes entered the week owned in only 3.4 percent of Yahoo! leagues, and he's clearly worth a roster spot somewhere, in all leagues.
http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f2
KDVR Fox 31 in Denver reported the following story on their website Tuesday: "Kansas City Chiefs running back Larry Johnson is out for the season with a broken right foot. This was confirmed by a source within the Chiefs organization with direct knowledge of the situation."
Fox 31 is the same local TV station that broke the news of Travis Henry's positive marijuana test, so they've been a trusted source of fantasy sports information for, literally, weeks.
And WDAF Fox 4 in Kansas City has seen quite enough.
On Tuesday evening, they called out Fox 31 for initially reporting that it was Johnson's left foot, not his right. But that was only the jab. Then they delivered their finishing move: "The Chiefs completely deny this story, saying their medical staff hasn't told them anything about a broken bone in the foot."
Do they deny it? No, they completely deny it. Take that, Fox 31!
Don't make Leslie Carto and her precocious cat Baxter come over there and finish this thing.
While we wait anxiously to see if the intra-Fox situation escalates – look for KLJB Fox 18 in Davenport to enter the fray – fantasy owners have to deal with the LJ situation.
Johnson had 745 total yards, four touchdowns and three 100-yard rushing efforts through seven and three-quarters games before suffering the injury. Not bad for a guy who's been almost universally labeled a disappointment. The Chiefs upcoming schedule looks spectacular for fantasy purposes, too: Denver, at Indianapolis, Oakland, San Diego (LJ used to own the Chargers, but now they belong to Adrian Peterson), at Denver, Tennessee (OK, that one's tough), at Detroit, and at the Jets.
The foot/ankle injury certainly appeared to be severe. A.J. Hawk brought most of his 250 or so pounds down on Johnson's ankle, and everything bent in a gruesome way. Hard to imagine how that could happen without anything breaking. You can't reasonably expect LJ to return quickly, whether it's a break or a sprain. Whatever it is, it's painful. Johnson has been the subject of an unusual amount of incorrect and premature reporting this season, so it seems best to wait for the Chiefs to officially declare something.
Here's one of the many ways Herm Edwards has said that LJ isn't going to play in Week 10: "I always hate when something happens to a player because your job is to ask where a player is at, and my job is to tell you. But when I don’t have enough information, I don’t want to say something. And then all of a sudden you’re looking at me on a Friday saying, 'You didn’t tell me the truth.' As far as I know, it would be very difficult for (Johnson) to play this week."
A level of frustration is evident in those comments, and it's clearly matched in the fantasy community. Many of the early statements regarding Johnson issued by (and on behalf of) the Chiefs seem to contain the rhetoric of plausible deniability: "their medical staff hasn't told them anything" and "as far as I know" and "I don't have enough information."
It would not be at all surprising if the Fox 31 report proves true. If it does, you should bookmark their website. That's your new leading source for breaking fantasy sports information. Forget those hacks at Fox 4.
You should also target Priest Holmes. Obviously. Edwards had this to say to the Kansas City Star regarding the Chiefs' running back situation: "We’re going to have to do this by committee a little bit. I’m not going to sit here and say Priest Holmes is going to carry the ball 30 times. That’s not fair to Priest Holmes."
The early speculation is that Holmes will be limited to perhaps 15 carries per game. But if he's at all effective, it's difficult to believe that the Chiefs will show such restraint. This is the team that gave Johnson 416 carries last season. Edwards seems to be doing the 34-year-old Holmes a favor by establishing rather low and attainable expectations, at least publicly. Holmes entered the week owned in only 3.4 percent of Yahoo! leagues, and he's clearly worth a roster spot somewhere, in all leagues.
Illegal Pants Downfield
Footballguy
Yahoo.com, NFL.com not credible, national enough for you?SteelCat said:
FFdork
Footballguy
I'm not sure why you're confused. All of the stories, local and national, are currently originating with the one reporter with the Fox affiliate. We're all waiting for something from the Chiefs or at least a second, independent source.Yahoo.com, NFL.com not credible, national enough for you?SteelCat said:
Tenacious
Footballguy
Not when all they're doing is reporting on the Fox story, no. If it was an NFL.com story, then it would be credible enough.Yahoo.com, NFL.com not credible, national enough for you?SteelCat said:
wudaben
Footballguy
I'm sure he meant to say.....Is there any news regarding LJ being reported by a credible source that is NOT based on the information provided by Fox Denver.Yahoo.com, NFL.com not credible, national enough for you?SteelCat said:
Carr 2 Smith
Footballguy
It all revolves around the Denver report.I'm sure he meant to say.....Is there any news regarding LJ being reported by a credible source that is NOT based on the information provided by Fox Denver.Yahoo.com, NFL.com not credible, national enough for you?SteelCat said:
From RTS
Nov 7 2007 07:18PM
Adam Teicher, of The Kansas City Star, reports Kansas City Chiefs RB Kolby Smith is expected to fill in for RB Larry Johnson (foot), who is expected to miss two to three weeks. Smith is expected to split the workload with RB Priest Holmes in Week 10.
Fantasy Impact: Smith is worth grabbing. He could play a big role, especially if Holmes can't carry the load.
Nov 7 2007 07:18PM
Adam Teicher, of The Kansas City Star, reports Kansas City Chiefs RB Kolby Smith is expected to fill in for RB Larry Johnson (foot), who is expected to miss two to three weeks. Smith is expected to split the workload with RB Priest Holmes in Week 10.
Fantasy Impact: Smith is worth grabbing. He could play a big role, especially if Holmes can't carry the load.
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NatronIsMean
Footballguy
From RHM
Nov 7 2007 09:46PM
Larry Johnson to Miss One Game Only
Per a source close to the situation in the Kansas City organization, a legit medical doctor took a gander at LJ's foot and thought it looked swollen, but not broken. When asked to appraise the flesh wound, he said that real men don't miss games due to bruises and swelling. With his manhood challenged, Johnson hopped off the medical bed and got in the doctor's face. To make matters worse, Herm was too busy hitting on a hot nurse to get an update on the injury and update the masses. If you're still reading this, you know by now that you're not getting any news out of this useless false medical report that I'm typing. Good night and God bless.
Nov 7 2007 09:46PM
Larry Johnson to Miss One Game Only
Per a source close to the situation in the Kansas City organization, a legit medical doctor took a gander at LJ's foot and thought it looked swollen, but not broken. When asked to appraise the flesh wound, he said that real men don't miss games due to bruises and swelling. With his manhood challenged, Johnson hopped off the medical bed and got in the doctor's face. To make matters worse, Herm was too busy hitting on a hot nurse to get an update on the injury and update the masses. If you're still reading this, you know by now that you're not getting any news out of this useless false medical report that I'm typing. Good night and God bless.
Max Power
Footballguy
Joe Kidd
Footballguy
Please don't feed the monkeys!
Illegal Pants Downfield
Footballguy
I guess I don't know exactly how the news industry works, but I would expect, even though they are reporting/citing the Denver report, the fact that the national outlets are posting the story at all at this point seems to carry at least some weight, no? They must think there's something to the report - if the report turns out false, people who read it on nfl.com aren't going to remember that the nfl.com article cited the Fox Denver report. They're going to remember they read it on nfl.com and it proved to be wrong. So, in that respect, it seems nfl.com and yahoo are both in some way staking their reputations on the report out of Denver.I realize we haven't had any new news here, which is what SteelCat was asking about. But to me (caveat: an LJ owner waiting for info, just like the rest of you), the fact that nfl and yahoo are picking up the report certainly gives it greater credibility.Not when all they're doing is reporting on the Fox story, no. If it was an NFL.com story, then it would be credible enough.Yahoo.com, NFL.com not credible, national enough for you?SteelCat said:
Chaka
Footballguy
They're parroting each other because they don't want their readership to think the competition has information that they don't. It does nothing to increase the credibility of the original story.I guess I don't know exactly how the news industry works, but I would expect, even though they are reporting/citing the Denver report, the fact that the national outlets are posting the story at all at this point seems to carry at least some weight, no? They must think there's something to the report - if the report turns out false, people who read it on nfl.com aren't going to remember that the nfl.com article cited the Fox Denver report. They're going to remember they read it on nfl.com and it proved to be wrong. So, in that respect, it seems nfl.com and yahoo are both in some way staking their reputations on the report out of Denver.I realize we haven't had any new news here, which is what SteelCat was asking about. But to me (caveat: an LJ owner waiting for info, just like the rest of you), the fact that nfl and yahoo are picking up the report certainly gives it greater credibility.Not when all they're doing is reporting on the Fox story, no. If it was an NFL.com story, then it would be credible enough.Yahoo.com, NFL.com not credible, national enough for you?SteelCat said:
Red Apples
Footballguy
heres hows tv news works...umm.. we have 2 minutes to fill, what we got, oh someoneone is reporting this..then we will report to citing the source..its not really reporting as so much it is broadcastingI guess I don't know exactly how the news industry works, but I would expect, even though they are reporting/citing the Denver report, the fact that the national outlets are posting the story at all at this point seems to carry at least some weight, no? They must think there's something to the report - if the report turns out false, people who read it on nfl.com aren't going to remember that the nfl.com article cited the Fox Denver report. They're going to remember they read it on nfl.com and it proved to be wrong. So, in that respect, it seems nfl.com and yahoo are both in some way staking their reputations on the report out of Denver.I realize we haven't had any new news here, which is what SteelCat was asking about. But to me (caveat: an LJ owner waiting for info, just like the rest of you), the fact that nfl and yahoo are picking up the report certainly gives it greater credibility.Not when all they're doing is reporting on the Fox story, no. If it was an NFL.com story, then it would be credible enough.Yahoo.com, NFL.com not credible, national enough for you?SteelCat said:
Warpig
Footballguy
My wife is a physical therapist...though that is far from a doctor, she works with doctors and she's seen all types of injuries and has treated numerous patients.
She told me that mid foot "sprains" are rare. Normally if it involves the mid foot, it is a break or fracture of some sort.
The sign that there is still swelling is not good. She said that there may not be any news to report because the doctors want to wait for the swelling to subside so they can get a definite look at what the problem is. X-rays can be distorted if there is swelling. So basically, I'd say the prognosis isn't good. Once the swelling goes down they may realize that surgery is required.
She told me that mid foot "sprains" are rare. Normally if it involves the mid foot, it is a break or fracture of some sort.
The sign that there is still swelling is not good. She said that there may not be any news to report because the doctors want to wait for the swelling to subside so they can get a definite look at what the problem is. X-rays can be distorted if there is swelling. So basically, I'd say the prognosis isn't good. Once the swelling goes down they may realize that surgery is required.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Ditka said he thought LJ hurt his arch based on how he reacted, and based on him having a similar injury. Right now, it's all speculation. I can't imagine the news being good.My wife is a physical therapist...though that is far from a doctor, she works with doctors and she's seen all types of injuries and has treated numerous patients.She told me that mid foot "sprains" are rare. Normally if it involves the mid foot, it is a break or fracture of some sort. The sign that there is still swelling is not good. She said that there may not be any news to report because the doctors want to wait for the swelling to subside so they can get a definite look at what the problem is. X-rays can be distorted if there is swelling. So basically, I'd say the prognosis isn't good. Once the swelling goes down they may realize that surgery is required.
mikel0254
Footballguy
Anyone know what Ditka's recovery time was?Ditka said he thought LJ hurt his arch based on how he reacted, and based on him having a similar injury. Right now, it's all speculation. I can't imagine the news being good.My wife is a physical therapist...though that is far from a doctor, she works with doctors and she's seen all types of injuries and has treated numerous patients.She told me that mid foot "sprains" are rare. Normally if it involves the mid foot, it is a break or fracture of some sort. The sign that there is still swelling is not good. She said that there may not be any news to report because the doctors want to wait for the swelling to subside so they can get a definite look at what the problem is. X-rays can be distorted if there is swelling. So basically, I'd say the prognosis isn't good. Once the swelling goes down they may realize that surgery is required.
footballnerd
Footballguy
This thread is garbage. Can someone please post a new one with the title "Official word on LJ" once news comes out. I just wasted 15 mins scrolling through this list of snide remarks.
mcjc4
Footballguy
I agree, I traded fopr LJ 4 weeks ago and have enjoyed him while I had him. i am expecting atleast 3 weeks or more without him. It sucks, but injuries are a part of this stupid hobby we spend numerous hours a week worrying about. Lets suck it up Lj owners, work a deal for another RB if needed. Fargas is not LJ, but he is showing some promise. Try the SJAX owner for a trade, he has to be at witts end by now. Jacobs at NY probably isn't someones #1, see what you can pull off. These are obviously just off the cuff thoughts in a redraft league, but we can't just standby and let our season dwindle away hoping its just a minor sprain. Deep down I think we all feel it's a multi week injury that can very well run into the playoffs if we make that far without him.
thehornet
Footballguy
the power of positive thinking. Are you a motivational speaker? i'd come to your seminar
footballnerd
Footballguy
Im the LJ and the SJax owner in my league. Been trying to get these two running together at the same time for weeks. Injury bug is insane this year.......
mcjc4
Footballguy
Do what everyone else does, go to the laste post and and read upward a few post to see if there is any new info. it takes all of 15 seconds not 15 minutes.
Keith Lewis
Footballguy
HAHA. I thought the same thing, 15 minutes, you must read slow... On second thought I doubt you read slow, you just wanted a platform toDo what everyone else does, go to the laste post and and read upward a few post to see if there is any new info. it takes all of 15 seconds not 15 minutes.
Keith Lewis
Footballguy
Is this the kind of garbage you speak of?
NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR TEAM!
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Update? More overreactions needed.
Also Fox 31 in Denver is the suck.
Also Fox 31 in Denver is the suck.
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
Ditka's recovery time was the amount of time it took him to get up. We're talking Ditka here, people. Get with the program. Ditka once suffered a broken femur, but fixed it with a combination of spit and the dirt from Wrigley field. Fact.Anyone know what Ditka's recovery time was?Ditka said he thought LJ hurt his arch based on how he reacted, and based on him having a similar injury. Right now, it's all speculation. I can't imagine the news being good. :IBTL:My wife is a physical therapist...though that is far from a doctor, she works with doctors and she's seen all types of injuries and has treated numerous patients.
She told me that mid foot "sprains" are rare. Normally if it involves the mid foot, it is a break or fracture of some sort.
The sign that there is still swelling is not good. She said that there may not be any news to report because the doctors want to wait for the swelling to subside so they can get a definite look at what the problem is. X-rays can be distorted if there is swelling. So basically, I'd say the prognosis isn't good. Once the swelling goes down they may realize that surgery is required.
Keith Lewis
Footballguy
Ditka's recovery time was the amount of time it took him to get up. We're talking Ditka here, people. Get with the program. Ditka once suffered a broken femur, but fixed it with a combination of spit and the dirt from Wrigley field. Fact.Anyone know what Ditka's recovery time was?Ditka said he thought LJ hurt his arch based on how he reacted, and based on him having a similar injury. Right now, it's all speculation. I can't imagine the news being good.My wife is a physical therapist...though that is far from a doctor, she works with doctors and she's seen all types of injuries and has treated numerous patients.
She told me that mid foot "sprains" are rare. Normally if it involves the mid foot, it is a break or fracture of some sort.
The sign that there is still swelling is not good. She said that there may not be any news to report because the doctors want to wait for the swelling to subside so they can get a definite look at what the problem is. X-rays can be distorted if there is swelling. So basically, I'd say the prognosis isn't good. Once the swelling goes down they may realize that surgery is required.
