LJ IS MY CLEAR #1 (1 Viewer)

[Billy Ball Thorton]

PERIOD.

I will pick him 1.01 next friday night.. Yeah buddy

 

[(HULK)]

I think he's not the #1, let alone the clear #1.

 

[Big Score]

I think he's not the #1, let alone the clear #1.

But he's Billy Ball Thorton's clear #1.

 

[(HULK)]

I think he's not the #1, let alone the clear #1.

But he's Billy Ball Thorton's clear #1.

You're right.This thread is chock full of good info.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Seems like I've read this thread before only it had more posts and pages.

There are 2000 FBGs with the #1 pick and only you care about who you are set to pick. I care more about snakes on my plane.

 

[Big Score]

I care more about snakes on my plane.

I've always liked Samuel L Jackson. Is the movie any good?

 

[gocats]

PERIOD.I will pick him 1.01 next friday night.. Yeah buddy

He's still my #1 also. People are making too much out of the preseason, remember when the Colts went 0-4 in the preseason?

 

[(HULK)]

PERIOD.I will pick him 1.01 next friday night.. Yeah buddy

He's still my #1 also. People are making too much out of the preseason, remember when the Colts went 0-4 in the preseason?

My ranking of him as RB4 has NOTHING to do with preseason and everything to do with the offseason.

 

[larry_boy_44]

how is Larry Johnson not the #1 RB???

games where he played fulltime:

game 6 - 23-93, td; 1-26

game 8 - 22-107, 2 tds; 3-48

game 9 - 27-132; 5-46

game 10 - 36-211, 2 td; 1-6

game 11 - 31-119, td; 5-53

game 12 - 30-140, 2 tds; 2-9

game 13 - 26-143, 3 tds; 3-28

game 14 - 31-167, 2 tds; 2-17

game 15 - 32-131, td; 4-48, td

game 16 - 26-201, 3 tds; 2-21

So, in 10 games as a full-time back (he only started 9 games, i added week 6 because he got 20 carries), he had a grand total of:

284-1444, 17 rushing TDs; 28-302, td recieving...

now, let's multiply those numbers by 3/5 (.6) to figure out what 6 games would be...

170-866, 10; 17-181

now, let's combine these numbers... Larry Johnson was on pace, last year, to have THIS as a complete season:

454-2310, 27 tds rushing; 45-483, td recieving...

and I think he'll be almost as good this year... say... 400-2000, 45-450, 25 total touchdowns...

 

[gocats]

PERIOD.I will pick him 1.01 next friday night.. Yeah buddy

He's still my #1 also. People are making too much out of the preseason, remember when the Colts went 0-4 in the preseason?

My ranking of him as RB4 has NOTHING to do with preseason and everything to do with the offseason.

People are down on him for the following reasons mostly:1. Al Saunders and #### Vermiel are gone:The system is still the same, Mike Solari has been with the team even before the Vermiel hiring so he knows the system quite well. The Chiefs have said countless times that they will not change the system. 2. Willie Roaf retirement:The games where Roaf missed last season had no effect on Johnson's performance.3. Tony Richardson is gone:Ronnie Cruz will be fine they needed to get younger at FB anyway.Johnson before the season was my #1 by a mile and even if you discount him after everything that's transpired he's still the clear cut guy.

 

[David Yudkin]

how is Larry Johnson not the #1 RB???games where he played fulltime:game 6 - 23-93, td; 1-26game 8 - 22-107, 2 tds; 3-48game 9 - 27-132; 5-46game 10 - 36-211, 2 td; 1-6game 11 - 31-119, td; 5-53game 12 - 30-140, 2 tds; 2-9game 13 - 26-143, 3 tds; 3-28game 14 - 31-167, 2 tds; 2-17game 15 - 32-131, td; 4-48, tdgame 16 - 26-201, 3 tds; 2-21So, in 10 games as a full-time back (he only started 9 games, i added week 6 because he got 20 carries), he had a grand total of:284-1444, 17 rushing TDs; 28-302, td recieving...now, let's multiply those numbers by 3/5 (.6) to figure out what 6 games would be...170-866, 10; 17-181now, let's combine these numbers... Larry Johnson was on pace, last year, to have THIS as a complete season:454-2310, 27 tds rushing; 45-483, td recieving...and I think he'll be almost as good this year... say... 400-2000, 45-450, 25 total touchdowns...

I like LJ as much as the next guy, but if the over/under on his total touches is 445, put me down for $10,000,000.00 on the under.

 

[BigRed]

how is Larry Johnson not the #1 RB???games where he played fulltime:game 6 - 23-93, td; 1-26game 8 - 22-107, 2 tds; 3-48game 9 - 27-132; 5-46game 10 - 36-211, 2 td; 1-6game 11 - 31-119, td; 5-53game 12 - 30-140, 2 tds; 2-9game 13 - 26-143, 3 tds; 3-28game 14 - 31-167, 2 tds; 2-17game 15 - 32-131, td; 4-48, tdgame 16 - 26-201, 3 tds; 2-21So, in 10 games as a full-time back (he only started 9 games, i added week 6 because he got 20 carries), he had a grand total of:284-1444, 17 rushing TDs; 28-302, td recieving...now, let's multiply those numbers by 3/5 (.6) to figure out what 6 games would be...170-866, 10; 17-181now, let's combine these numbers... Larry Johnson was on pace, last year, to have THIS as a complete season:454-2310, 27 tds rushing; 45-483, td recieving...

lmao GB the "last year = this year" FFers. We need to clone you guys and get in leagues w/you.

 

[larry_boy_44]

how is Larry Johnson not the #1 RB???games where he played fulltime:game 6 - 23-93, td; 1-26game 8 - 22-107, 2 tds; 3-48game 9 - 27-132; 5-46game 10 - 36-211, 2 td; 1-6game 11 - 31-119, td; 5-53game 12 - 30-140, 2 tds; 2-9game 13 - 26-143, 3 tds; 3-28game 14 - 31-167, 2 tds; 2-17game 15 - 32-131, td; 4-48, tdgame 16 - 26-201, 3 tds; 2-21So, in 10 games as a full-time back (he only started 9 games, i added week 6 because he got 20 carries), he had a grand total of:284-1444, 17 rushing TDs; 28-302, td recieving...now, let's multiply those numbers by 3/5 (.6) to figure out what 6 games would be...170-866, 10; 17-181now, let's combine these numbers... Larry Johnson was on pace, last year, to have THIS as a complete season:454-2310, 27 tds rushing; 45-483, td recieving...and I think he'll be almost as good this year... say... 400-2000, 45-450, 25 total touchdowns...

I like LJ as much as the next guy, but if the over/under on his total touches is 445, put me down for $10,000,000.00 on the under.

why? He averaged over 30 touches/game started last year and was fine at the end of the season (if not getting better)... why would this year be any different?

 

[BigRed]

People are down on him for the following reasons mostly:1. Al Saunders and #### Vermiel are gone:The system is still the same, Mike Solari has been with the team even before the Vermiel hiring so he knows the system quite well. The Chiefs have said countless times that they will not change the system. 2. Willie Roaf retirement:The games where Roaf missed last season had no effect on Johnson's performance.3. Tony Richardson is gone:Ronnie Cruz will be fine they needed to get younger at FB anyway.Johnson before the season was my #1 by a mile and even if you discount him after everything that's transpired he's still the clear cut guy.

PS and oh btw, don't forget the other OL losses. Not to mention an offense whose keys players are seriously old farts. Wouldn't break my heart to have him, but he is clear #3 IMO.

 

[Banger]

PERIOD.I will pick him 1.01 next friday night.. Yeah buddy

He's still my #1 also. People are making too much out of the preseason, remember when the Colts went 0-4 in the preseason?

My ranking of him as RB4 has NOTHING to do with preseason and everything to do with the offseason.

2. Willie Roaf retirement:The games where Roaf missed last season had no effect on Johnson's performance.

Wrong. Why do you think the Chiefs are trying so hard to talk Roaf into coming back? If he didn't make a difference they wouldn't care one way or the other. The guy was a pro-bowler for a reason.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

Larry Johnson - Willie Roaf - Tony Richardson - Vermeil/Saunder + Herm Edwards = No longer worthy of 1.01

 

[larry_boy_44]

how is Larry Johnson not the #1 RB???games where he played fulltime:game 6 - 23-93, td; 1-26game 8 - 22-107, 2 tds; 3-48game 9 - 27-132; 5-46game 10 - 36-211, 2 td; 1-6game 11 - 31-119, td; 5-53game 12 - 30-140, 2 tds; 2-9game 13 - 26-143, 3 tds; 3-28game 14 - 31-167, 2 tds; 2-17game 15 - 32-131, td; 4-48, tdgame 16 - 26-201, 3 tds; 2-21So, in 10 games as a full-time back (he only started 9 games, i added week 6 because he got 20 carries), he had a grand total of:284-1444, 17 rushing TDs; 28-302, td recieving...now, let's multiply those numbers by 3/5 (.6) to figure out what 6 games would be...170-866, 10; 17-181now, let's combine these numbers... Larry Johnson was on pace, last year, to have THIS as a complete season:454-2310, 27 tds rushing; 45-483, td recieving...

lmao GB the "last year = this year" FFers. We need to clone you guys and get in leagues w/you.

I didn't say that, I'm just saying nothing has happened to make me think that he can't repeat last year's performance....and note that if you keep reading my post I lowered his rushes by 54, rushing yards by 350, and his TDs by 3... so last year <> this year... i was just using last year as a reference point....

 

[gocats]

People are down on him for the following reasons mostly:

1. Al Saunders and #### Vermiel are gone:

The system is still the same, Mike Solari has been with the team even before the Vermiel hiring so he knows the system quite well. The Chiefs have said countless times that they will not change the system.

2. Willie Roaf retirement:

The games where Roaf missed last season had no effect on Johnson's performance.

3. Tony Richardson is gone:

Ronnie Cruz will be fine they needed to get younger at FB anyway.

Johnson before the season was my #1 by a mile and even if you discount him after everything that's transpired he's still the clear cut guy.

PS and oh btw, don't forget the other OL losses. Not to mention an offense whose keys players are seriously old farts.

Welbourn was a backup. Roaf effects the passing game more than the running game imo.

 

[dickey moe]

how is Larry Johnson not the #1 RB???games where he played fulltime:game 6 - 23-93, td; 1-26game 8 - 22-107, 2 tds; 3-48game 9 - 27-132; 5-46game 10 - 36-211, 2 td; 1-6game 11 - 31-119, td; 5-53game 12 - 30-140, 2 tds; 2-9game 13 - 26-143, 3 tds; 3-28game 14 - 31-167, 2 tds; 2-17game 15 - 32-131, td; 4-48, tdgame 16 - 26-201, 3 tds; 2-21So, in 10 games as a full-time back (he only started 9 games, i added week 6 because he got 20 carries), he had a grand total of:284-1444, 17 rushing TDs; 28-302, td recieving...now, let's multiply those numbers by 3/5 (.6) to figure out what 6 games would be...170-866, 10; 17-181now, let's combine these numbers... Larry Johnson was on pace, last year, to have THIS as a complete season:454-2310, 27 tds rushing; 45-483, td recieving...and I think he'll be almost as good this year... say... 400-2000, 45-450, 25 total touchdowns...

...and if you multiply my uncle's hourly wage by the number of hours in a year, he'd be making $256,320.

 

[Big Score]

Roaf effects the passing game more than the running game imo.

You haven't watched KC much have you?

 

[David Yudkin]

how is Larry Johnson not the #1 RB???games where he played fulltime:game 6 - 23-93, td; 1-26game 8 - 22-107, 2 tds; 3-48game 9 - 27-132; 5-46game 10 - 36-211, 2 td; 1-6game 11 - 31-119, td; 5-53game 12 - 30-140, 2 tds; 2-9game 13 - 26-143, 3 tds; 3-28game 14 - 31-167, 2 tds; 2-17game 15 - 32-131, td; 4-48, tdgame 16 - 26-201, 3 tds; 2-21So, in 10 games as a full-time back (he only started 9 games, i added week 6 because he got 20 carries), he had a grand total of:284-1444, 17 rushing TDs; 28-302, td recieving...now, let's multiply those numbers by 3/5 (.6) to figure out what 6 games would be...170-866, 10; 17-181now, let's combine these numbers... Larry Johnson was on pace, last year, to have THIS as a complete season:454-2310, 27 tds rushing; 45-483, td recieving...and I think he'll be almost as good this year... say... 400-2000, 45-450, 25 total touchdowns...

I like LJ as much as the next guy, but if the over/under on his total touches is 445, put me down for $10,000,000.00 on the under.

why? He averaged over 30 touches/game started last year and was fine at the end of the season (if not getting better)... why would this year be any different?

Because RB don't average 30 a game for an entire season. Here are all the guys that have averaged 30 touches a game:James Wilder, 1984, 492If we drop it down to 445, then there are 4 other guys.Could it happen, sure. Will it happen, I highly doubt it. And you'd have to take an IOU on the $10 million if I lost.

 

[gocats]

Roaf effects the passing game more than the running game imo.

You haven't watched KC much have you?

See last season

 

[Big Score]

Roaf effects the passing game more than the running game imo.

You haven't watched KC much have you?

See last season

I did...and the season before...and the season before...and the season before...etc

 

[BigRed]

I didn't say that, I'm just saying nothing has happened to make me think that he can't repeat last year's performance....and note that if you keep reading my post I lowered his rushes by 54, rushing yards by 350, and his TDs by 3... so last year <> this year... i was just using last year as a reference point....

Beg pardon then, my bad. I still think you're hanging on to last year too much tho

 

[larry_boy_44]

how is Larry Johnson not the #1 RB???games where he played fulltime:game 6 - 23-93, td; 1-26game 8 - 22-107, 2 tds; 3-48game 9 - 27-132; 5-46game 10 - 36-211, 2 td; 1-6game 11 - 31-119, td; 5-53game 12 - 30-140, 2 tds; 2-9game 13 - 26-143, 3 tds; 3-28game 14 - 31-167, 2 tds; 2-17game 15 - 32-131, td; 4-48, tdgame 16 - 26-201, 3 tds; 2-21So, in 10 games as a full-time back (he only started 9 games, i added week 6 because he got 20 carries), he had a grand total of:284-1444, 17 rushing TDs; 28-302, td recieving...now, let's multiply those numbers by 3/5 (.6) to figure out what 6 games would be...170-866, 10; 17-181now, let's combine these numbers... Larry Johnson was on pace, last year, to have THIS as a complete season:454-2310, 27 tds rushing; 45-483, td recieving...and I think he'll be almost as good this year... say... 400-2000, 45-450, 25 total touchdowns...

...and if you multiply my uncle's hourly wage by the number of hours in a year, he'd be making $256,320.

even without those starts he was still the #1 RB last year and there is no reason to assumet hat this year, with 6 more starts, he isn't goin got be better than last year...

 

[larry_boy_44]

how is Larry Johnson not the #1 RB???games where he played fulltime:game 6 - 23-93, td; 1-26game 8 - 22-107, 2 tds; 3-48game 9 - 27-132; 5-46game 10 - 36-211, 2 td; 1-6game 11 - 31-119, td; 5-53game 12 - 30-140, 2 tds; 2-9game 13 - 26-143, 3 tds; 3-28game 14 - 31-167, 2 tds; 2-17game 15 - 32-131, td; 4-48, tdgame 16 - 26-201, 3 tds; 2-21So, in 10 games as a full-time back (he only started 9 games, i added week 6 because he got 20 carries), he had a grand total of:284-1444, 17 rushing TDs; 28-302, td recieving...now, let's multiply those numbers by 3/5 (.6) to figure out what 6 games would be...170-866, 10; 17-181now, let's combine these numbers... Larry Johnson was on pace, last year, to have THIS as a complete season:454-2310, 27 tds rushing; 45-483, td recieving...and I think he'll be almost as good this year... say... 400-2000, 45-450, 25 total touchdowns...

I like LJ as much as the next guy, but if the over/under on his total touches is 445, put me down for $10,000,000.00 on the under.

why? He averaged over 30 touches/game started last year and was fine at the end of the season (if not getting better)... why would this year be any different?

Because RB don't average 30 a game for an entire season. Here are all the guys that have averaged 30 touches a game:James Wilder, 1984, 492If we drop it down to 445, then there are 4 other guys.Could it happen, sure. Will it happen, I highly doubt it. And you'd have to take an IOU on the $10 million if I lost.

did you watch KC in weeks 15-17??? Did LJ look worn down AT ALL??! in those games to you?I watched them, week 15-17 is the playoffs in my local league and I made the Super Bowl on LJ's back... he was just as strong as he was week 8....

 

[hydroxybear]

how is Larry Johnson not the #1 RB???games where he played fulltime:game 6 - 23-93, td; 1-26game 8 - 22-107, 2 tds; 3-48game 9 - 27-132; 5-46game 10 - 36-211, 2 td; 1-6game 11 - 31-119, td; 5-53game 12 - 30-140, 2 tds; 2-9game 13 - 26-143, 3 tds; 3-28game 14 - 31-167, 2 tds; 2-17game 15 - 32-131, td; 4-48, tdgame 16 - 26-201, 3 tds; 2-21So, in 10 games as a full-time back (he only started 9 games, i added week 6 because he got 20 carries), he had a grand total of:284-1444, 17 rushing TDs; 28-302, td recieving...now, let's multiply those numbers by 3/5 (.6) to figure out what 6 games would be...170-866, 10; 17-181now, let's combine these numbers... Larry Johnson was on pace, last year, to have THIS as a complete season:454-2310, 27 tds rushing; 45-483, td recieving...and I think he'll be almost as good this year... say... 400-2000, 45-450, 25 total touchdowns...

I like LJ as much as the next guy, but if the over/under on his total touches is 445, put me down for $10,000,000.00 on the under.

why? He averaged over 30 touches/game started last year and was fine at the end of the season (if not getting better)... why would this year be any different?

as a Dynasty Owner of LJ, I truly hope no coach is stupid enough to put him through that type of punishment. 445 touches? EEK!

 

[larry_boy_44]

I didn't say that, I'm just saying nothing has happened to make me think that he can't repeat last year's performance....and note that if you keep reading my post I lowered his rushes by 54, rushing yards by 350, and his TDs by 3... so last year <> this year... i was just using last year as a reference point....

Beg pardon then, my bad. I still think you're hanging on to last year too much tho

I'm not hanging onto it... personally I hope he goes 500-3000, 35-400, with 35 TDs... that's what I'm taunting my local leaguemates with... lolI think LJ has the potential to have the best season ever by a RB this year...

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

Roaf effects the passing game more than the running game imo.

You haven't watched KC much have you?

You must not either. Roaf is known as a great offensive lineman and known for being a better pass protector than rush blocker(however, he is great at both) and the Chiefs struggled with pass protection last year when Roaf was hurt.

 

[Banger]

I didn't say that, I'm just saying nothing has happened to make me think that he can't repeat last year's performance....and note that if you keep reading my post I lowered his rushes by 54, rushing yards by 350, and his TDs by 3... so last year <> this year... i was just using last year as a reference point....

Beg pardon then, my bad. I still think you're hanging on to last year too much tho

I'm not hanging onto it... personally I hope he goes 500-3000, 35-400, with 35 TDs... that's what I'm taunting my local leaguemates with... lolI think LJ has the potential to have the best season ever by a RB this year...

you are gonna be disappointed this year.....expectations way too high....

 

[larry_boy_44]

I didn't say that, I'm just saying nothing has happened to make me think that he can't repeat last year's performance....and note that if you keep reading my post I lowered his rushes by 54, rushing yards by 350, and his TDs by 3... so last year <> this year... i was just using last year as a reference point....

Beg pardon then, my bad. I still think you're hanging on to last year too much tho

I'm not hanging onto it... personally I hope he goes 500-3000, 35-400, with 35 TDs... that's what I'm taunting my local leaguemates with... lolI think LJ has the potential to have the best season ever by a RB this year...

you are gonna be disappointed this year.....expectations way too high....

those aren't my expectations, those are my taunts...my expectations are, at minimum, 300-1400, 30-300, 15... realistically, I want more like 350-1800, 30-300, 22...

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

Roaf effects the passing game more than the running game imo.

You haven't watched KC much have you?

You must not either. Roaf is known as a great offensive lineman and known for being a better pass protector than rush blocker(however, he is great at both) and the Chiefs struggled with pass protection last year when Roaf was hurt.

Roaf has always been known to be better in the passing game. This has been common knowladge.

 

[gocats]

Shields is injured, so is Waters, thats two pro bowl guards there. Their only starting linemen they have left is Casey Wiegman so it's not fair to draw conclusions from the group of guys that are on the field right now.

 

[SigEp316]

I think drafting from the 3 spot is the pick of the litter....I think LJ is a mistake at 1.01 and is almost a lock to go there, then at 3 your left with Alexander or LT, either of which I see as a can't miss.

 

[Tong Po]

I think drafting from the 3 spot is the pick of the litter....I think LJ is a mistake at 1.01 and is almost a lock to go there, then at 3 your left with Alexander or LT, either of which I see as a can't miss.

I don't think LJ is even close to being a "lock" to go #1. I mean... there are a good number of folks on this board that are dropping him out of the top 3 because he only had 8 yards rushing last night. So if LJ is a "mistake" at 1.01... does that mean if LT and Alexander go 1 and 2.... you won't select LJ at #3?

 

[Keys Myaths]

I didn't say that, I'm just saying nothing has happened to make me think that he can't repeat last year's performance....and note that if you keep reading my post I lowered his rushes by 54, rushing yards by 350, and his TDs by 3... so last year <> this year... i was just using last year as a reference point....

Beg pardon then, my bad. I still think you're hanging on to last year too much tho

I'm not hanging onto it... personally I hope he goes 500-3000, 35-400, with 35 TDs... that's what I'm taunting my local leaguemates with... lolI think LJ has the potential to have the best season ever by a RB this year...

you are gonna be disappointed this year.....expectations way too high....

those aren't my expectations, those are my taunts...my expectations are, at minimum, 300-1400, 30-300, 15... realistically, I want more like 350-1800, 30-300, 22...

Dammit, LB's pimping LJ...now I have to trade him.

 

[SigEp316]

I think drafting from the 3 spot is the pick of the litter....I think LJ is a mistake at 1.01 and is almost a lock to go there, then at 3 your left with Alexander or LT, either of which I see as a can't miss.

I don't think LJ is even close to being a "lock" to go #1. I mean... there are a good number of folks on this board that are dropping him out of the top 3 because he only had 8 yards rushing last night. So if LJ is a "mistake" at 1.01... does that mean if LT and Alexander go 1 and 2.... you won't select LJ at #3?

no...I think I'd have to take him at 1.03. I was really just noting that picking at 1.03 takes a lot of the headache away, you just take who's there. In my 1 redraft league I think he's a lock to go number 1. I would rather have Alexander or LT , but would take LJ and hope for the best.

 

[weasel3515]

What LJ did last year (because of his team's blocking) will go down as one of the greatest 9-game periods in NFL history, no denying that.

That was LAST year.

Anybody who picks LJ at 1.01 based on last year's stats is wearing blinders because he/she isn't looking at the facts about personnel losses.

 

[texasheat]

Since I'm a lifelong Cowboy fan I'll compare LJ to Emmitt in early-mid 90's

Take away Daryl Johnston, Larry Allen, and Norv Turner and it WOULD HAVE effected Emmitt's production greatly. I think LJ is facing a similar situation. I do think LJ is a great back, but #1 over SA and LT, not so much.

 

[Jayrod]

Shields is injured, so is Waters, thats two pro bowl guards there. Their only starting linemen they have left is Casey Wiegman so it's not fair to draw conclusions from the group of guys that are on the field right now.

Those guys are dinged, not injured and will be playing against the Bengals in week one. They are just being held out of the pre-season as precautions and because running them out there for an extra pounding would benefit no one (except us fantasy fanatics).

 

[gocats]

Shields is injured, so is Waters, thats two pro bowl guards there. Their only starting linemen they have left is Casey Wiegman so it's not fair to draw conclusions from the group of guys that are on the field right now.

Those guys are dinged, not injured and will be playing against the Bengals in week one. They are just being held out of the pre-season as precautions and because running them out there for an extra pounding would benefit no one (except us fantasy fanatics).

Exactly, which is why the line looks so bad.

 

[johns560]

how is Larry Johnson not the #1 RB???games where he played fulltime:game 6 - 23-93, td; 1-26game 8 - 22-107, 2 tds; 3-48game 9 - 27-132; 5-46game 10 - 36-211, 2 td; 1-6game 11 - 31-119, td; 5-53game 12 - 30-140, 2 tds; 2-9game 13 - 26-143, 3 tds; 3-28game 14 - 31-167, 2 tds; 2-17game 15 - 32-131, td; 4-48, tdgame 16 - 26-201, 3 tds; 2-21So, in 10 games as a full-time back (he only started 9 games, i added week 6 because he got 20 carries), he had a grand total of:284-1444, 17 rushing TDs; 28-302, td recieving...now, let's multiply those numbers by 3/5 (.6) to figure out what 6 games would be...170-866, 10; 17-181now, let's combine these numbers... Larry Johnson was on pace, last year, to have THIS as a complete season:454-2310, 27 tds rushing; 45-483, td recieving...and I think he'll be almost as good this year... say... 400-2000, 45-450, 25 total touchdowns...

10 games is too small a sample size for my liking. SA and LT are more proven. Too much lost on the KC OL and FB is now gone to MIN.

 

[Judge Smails]

how is Larry Johnson not the #1 RB???games where he played fulltime:game 6 - 23-93, td; 1-26game 8 - 22-107, 2 tds; 3-48game 9 - 27-132; 5-46game 10 - 36-211, 2 td; 1-6game 11 - 31-119, td; 5-53game 12 - 30-140, 2 tds; 2-9game 13 - 26-143, 3 tds; 3-28game 14 - 31-167, 2 tds; 2-17game 15 - 32-131, td; 4-48, tdgame 16 - 26-201, 3 tds; 2-21So, in 10 games as a full-time back (he only started 9 games, i added week 6 because he got 20 carries), he had a grand total of:284-1444, 17 rushing TDs; 28-302, td recieving...now, let's multiply those numbers by 3/5 (.6) to figure out what 6 games would be...170-866, 10; 17-181now, let's combine these numbers... Larry Johnson was on pace, last year, to have THIS as a complete season:454-2310, 27 tds rushing; 45-483, td recieving...and I think he'll be almost as good this year... say... 400-2000, 45-450, 25 total touchdowns...

SA and LT are more proven.

and older, with more wear and tear

 

[simmonjm]

how is Larry Johnson not the #1 RB???games where he played fulltime:game 6 - 23-93, td; 1-26game 8 - 22-107, 2 tds; 3-48game 9 - 27-132; 5-46game 10 - 36-211, 2 td; 1-6game 11 - 31-119, td; 5-53game 12 - 30-140, 2 tds; 2-9game 13 - 26-143, 3 tds; 3-28game 14 - 31-167, 2 tds; 2-17game 15 - 32-131, td; 4-48, tdgame 16 - 26-201, 3 tds; 2-21So, in 10 games as a full-time back (he only started 9 games, i added week 6 because he got 20 carries), he had a grand total of:284-1444, 17 rushing TDs; 28-302, td recieving...now, let's multiply those numbers by 3/5 (.6) to figure out what 6 games would be...170-866, 10; 17-181now, let's combine these numbers... Larry Johnson was on pace, last year, to have THIS as a complete season:454-2310, 27 tds rushing; 45-483, td recieving...and I think he'll be almost as good this year... say... 400-2000, 45-450, 25 total touchdowns...

10 games is too small a sample size for my liking. SA and LT are more proven. Too much lost on the KC OL and FB is now gone to MIN.

For the last half of the 2004 season Kevin Jones led the league in rushing he was hyped going into 2005 and IIRC he didnt exactly set the league on fire. LJ is a beast dont get me wrong but he has questions

 

[David Yudkin]

10 games is too small a sample size for my liking. SA and LT are more proven. Too much lost on the KC OL and FB is now gone to MIN.

OK, I thought I was done having to explain this. LJ's sample size IS NOT, I repeat, IS NOT 10 games. His sample size is the 5 years that the KC running game has been posting astronomical numbers for their running backs.Here's what I posted in the LJ Player SPotlight thread:

For the unconvinced, let's try making this a Player Spotlight on KANSAS CITY CHIEFS STARTING RUNNING BACK instead.I went back and added up the totals of the starting RB for all games from 2001-2005 (5 seasons). The majority obviously was Holmes and Johnson, but there were also times where Mike Cloud and Derrick Blaylock were added in. Only stats as a starter were counted, so if LJ had 110 rushing yards when he wasn't starting, they didn't count in the totals. Under that banner of KC STARTING RB, here's what the numbers were (total yards/total TD):2001 2169/10 (Holmes 16 games)2002 2357/24 (Holmes 14 games, Cloud 2 games)2003 2110/27 (Holmes 16 games)2004 2203/28 (Holmes 8 games, Blaylock 3 games, Johnson 5 games)2005 2275/24 (Holmes 7 games, Johnson 9 games)That works out ON AVERAGE to 2223 total yards and 23 total TD per season. Again, that DOES NOT count any production from any other RB, nor does it count numbers from RB when they were not the starting back.So on average, the STARTING KC RB over a full 16 game season has averaged 360 fantasy points a season for the past 5 years.IMO, that's the number we should be using as a baseline and debate if Johnson will do better or worse than the 5-year average for the starting back in KC. The starting point should be 22.5 fantasy point per game and adjusted based on how well you think he will do. And remember, this factors into account all other RB getting a piece of the pie or the 2 series/1 series ratio from last year. THIS IS THE PRODUCTION LEVEL FOR JUST THAT ONE PLAYER.As for NOT STARTING KC RB, here are the annual numbers for all "other RB" clumped into one:2001 520/82002 441/62003 535/42004 693/72005 613/6And remeber, all of these numbers were excluded in the STARTING RB numbers.

By comparison, here are the yearly totals for LJ's competition:SA: 262, 272, 269, 307, 364LT: 220, 307, 344, 288, 318Only Alexander did better than THE AVERAGE year for the Chiefs #1 guy--and it took a record setting season for TD to do it.There's plenty to like about LJ this year, and even if he did slightly worse than he did last year (or Holmes did before him) due to the personnel changes, he's still has the potential to put up crazy fantasy numbers and his ceiling is higher than SA or LT.

 

[Pantherz]

I would love to put LJ up at #1, but first I'm going to wait until I see some good series in the pre-season before I do it. Kyle Turley is way undersized now and got thrown all over the field in the last game. Is he Roaf's replacement?

 

[fatness]

I love watching people talk themselves out of drafting Johnson.

 

[ATC1]

Shields is injured, so is Waters, thats two pro bowl guards there. Their only starting linemen they have left is Casey Wiegman so it's not fair to draw conclusions from the group of guys that are on the field right now.

Those guys are dinged, not injured and will be playing against the Bengals in week one. They are just being held out of the pre-season as precautions and because running them out there for an extra pounding would benefit no one (except us fantasy fanatics).

Bob Gretz, of KCChiefs.com, reports Kansas City Chiefs OG Will Shields (ankle) suffered an ankle injury Thursday, Aug. 17, versus the New York Giants, and although X-rays were negative, Shields could face several weeks of rehab.

 

[jurb26]

I love watching people talk themselves out of drafting Johnson.

I love watching people talk themselves into 27+ TD projections for Johnson.

 

[Chaka]

PERIOD.I will pick him 1.01 next friday night.. Yeah buddy

Nice for you. Thanks for coming out.