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[Chadstroma]

Compared with this year, how good and deep will the 2011 draft be?

For instance, if you are in a position to sell draft picks for this years rookie draft in a dynasty league to stack up for next year- is it worth it?

 

[Redmen62]

Compared with this year, how good and deep will the 2011 draft be?

For instance, if you are in a position to sell draft picks for this years rookie draft in a dynasty league to stack up for next year- is it worth it?

In PPR, next year's draft should be significantly better than this year's due to the monster WR class. There are at least 3-4 guys who have the potential to become top 10 fantasy WR's.In non-PPR, the draft class next year should be slightly better than this year's, in my opinion. There's not a glut of premium RB talents, but the strength of the WR class and potential strength of the QB class should make next year's class a little bit deeper than this year's, at least in the first round.

My guesses at the value, by draft "tier":

In 12-team PPR leagues:

Picks 1-4 should be more valuable than this year. (and maybe significantly more, if another top-tier RB or two emerges)

Picks 5-8 should be significantly more valuable than this year.

Picks 9-12 should be more valuable than this year.

In non-PPR:

Picks 1-4 should be around the same value as this year

Picks 5-8 should be significantly more valuable than this year

Picks 9-12 should be more valuable than this year

As mentioned, if another elite RB talent or two arrives on the scene, next year's class could be much better than this year's. My personal opinion is that only Mark Ingram fits that bill as of today (but there's a long time until draft day). I'd be looking to trade anything after the 1.04 in this year's draft, personally (based on .5 PPR).

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

This should help

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...494081&st=0

 

[oukurt]

Elite talent will be twice as deep compared to this year's crop of rookies. I am already looking forward to it.

 

[EBF]

Too early to say anything conclusive. I think the 2011 group looks a bit deeper than this year's class.

 

[JohnnyU]

In PPR, two words come to mind, Michael Floyd.

 

[jeter23]

I think it will be much improved. The RB class should be about the same, maybe a little bit worse. The QB and WR class will be much better than this year's.

 

[Donsmith753]

So everyone would trade a 2010 2.01 for a 2011 1st or would you rather wait and see who fell to 2.01 this year first.

 

[footballsavvy]

I would do it if I felt like it was being traded to a "bottom half of the league" team, thus increasing the likelihood of it turning into a top 6 pick.

 

[footballsavvy]

I would do it if I felt like it was being traded to a "bottom half of the league" team, thus increasing the likelihood of it turning into a top 6 pick.

 

[JohnnyU]

Also like AJ Green.

2012 - Rueben Randle. Remember this.

 

[jeter23]

Also like AJ Green.2012 - Rueben Randle. Remember this.

He anything like your boy Bryce Brown?

 

[JohnnyU]

Also like AJ Green.2012 - Rueben Randle. Remember this.

He anything like your boy Bryce Brown?

Brown's future isn't written yet. He should be the starter this year at Tenn as a sophmore. Having said that, I don't own Bryce Brown.Edited: I forgot about Brown leaving UT. He could still do well at Kansas St.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Also like AJ Green.2012 - Rueben Randle. Remember this.

He anything like your boy Bryce Brown?

Brown's future isn't written yet. He should be the starter this year at Tenn as a sophmore. Having said that, I don't own Bryce Brown.

Didn't he transfer to Kansas?

 

[Don Quixote]

Also like AJ Green.2012 - Rueben Randle. Remember this.

He anything like your boy Bryce Brown?

Brown's future isn't written yet. He should be the starter this year at Tenn as a sophmore. Having said that, I don't own Bryce Brown.

Bryce Brown left UT.

 

[JohnnyU]

Also like AJ Green.2012 - Rueben Randle. Remember this.

He anything like your boy Bryce Brown?

Brown's future isn't written yet. He should be the starter this year at Tenn as a sophmore. Having said that, I don't own Bryce Brown.

Bryce Brown left UT.

Oh crap, you're right. I stand corrected, his future may already be written , or I guess he could still do ok. He wouldn't be the first person to transfer and still become a star.

 

[B. Nugget]

Also like AJ Green.2012 - Rueben Randle. Remember this.

He anything like your boy Bryce Brown?

Brown's future isn't written yet. He should be the starter this year at Tenn as a sophmore. Having said that, I don't own Bryce Brown.

Didn't he transfer to Kansas?

Kansas Football: A tradition from September 2007 to October 2009

 

[JohnnyU]

Was it Kansas or Kansas St?

 

[Don Quixote]

Was it Kansas or Kansas St?

His brother is at Kansas State, which is the rumor. I don't think he has announced where he is going to yet, unless I missed.

 

[gump]

Also like AJ Green.

2012 - Rueben Randle. Remember this.

Who gets him the ball in college to produce?I'd be concerned also with Lester's ability to turn highly-touted recruits into undrafted or late-round picks:

LINK

Only six LSU players -- Chad Jones, Brandon LaFell, Perry Riley, Al Woods, Trindon Holliday and Charles Scott -- were drafted on Friday and Saturday. This after 12 -- the most by any school in the nation -- were invited to the NFL Combine.

"What that tells me is LSU is still recruiting very talented and highly ranked players, but they're not being developed to their full potential at LSU," NFL draft analyst Mike Detillier said. "Nick Saban used to always say, 'It's all about R and D -- recruiting and development.' They're not being developed into the high-round picks they should be."

 

[MAC_32]

I really like Dez, Matthews, Best, and Bradford this year. If you're not in position to get any of them I'd sell for a 2011 1st rounder. There are more potentially elite options, but more importantly the bottom half of round 1 and top of round 2 should be much stronger.

I've already dealt for an additional 2011 1st rounder and have an extra 1st rounder in 2012 in tow to use to acquire more picks if I can. I also have five picks in this years draft from #18-30 that I'm prepared to use to upgrade 2011 as well.

This is my round about way of saying 2011's class > 2010's.

 

[Faust]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writ...raft/index.html

1. Seattle Seahawks

Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas*

The former Michigan quarterback has the most NFL-desirable skills in this deep QB class.

2. Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson*

2010 belonged to the defensive tackles. The pass-rushers will take their turn this year, and Bowers is the scariest of the group. However, Bowers needs to be a bit more consistent in 2010.

3. St. Louis Rams

Robert Quinn*, DE, North Carolina

Some see Quinn as the second-coming of Julius Peppers. Overcoming an operation on a brain tumor in high school shows incredible character, but could also make some teams nervous. Not so the Rams.

4. Detroit Lions

Cameron Heyward, DE, Ohio State

The Lions would want to shore up their offensive line here, but this draft might not have the premier left tackle they'd want this high.

5. New England Patriots (via Raiders)

A.J. Green, WR, Georgia*

The Pats will need more offensive playmakers with Randy Moss turning 34 in 2011. Green is Calvin Johnson-light, which is still pretty good.

6. Cleveland Browns

Julio Jones, WR, Alabama

Jones may not have 4.4 40 speed, but neither did Larry Fitzgerald. Most NFL teams choose college production over 40 times in this year's draft.

7. Arizona Cardinals

Prince Amukamara CB, Nebraska

Played big against tough competition last season and has enough athleticism for Nebraska to consider working him into the offense in the coming season.

8. Kansas City Chiefs

Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin

Carimia wasn't overwhelming last year, but could rise to the top of an underwhelming class of potential left tackles.

9. Buffalo Bills

Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri

The knock on Gabbert will be the Missouri system that helped Chase Daniel put up huge numbers. But because of his size (6-foot-5, 240 pounds), Gabbert is a different kind of prospect than Daniel and teams will believe more in the stats.

10. Jacksonville Jaguars

Jake Locker, QB, Washington

The Jags didn't bite on Tim Tebow, but will jump all over next year's big name even if questions remain about Locker's ability as a pure passer.

Stewart Mandel: Locker focuses on Huskies, not draft

11. Tennessee Titans

Marcell Dareus*, DE, Alabama

Dareus got a lot of attention for knocking Colt McCoy out of the national title game, and should emerge as a star as the Crimson Tide tries to repeat.

12. Carolina Panthers

Marvin Austin, DT, North Carolina

No guarantee current GM Marty Hurney and coach John Fox will be making this pick. Analysts wonder if Austin's drive equals his talent, so he'll have to play hard this year to go this high.

13. Denver Broncos

Aaron Williams, CB, Texas

Sometimes overshadowed by other stars in the Texas secondary, Williams will step into the spotlight this season.

14. Chicago Bears

Anthony Costanzo, T, Boston College

Costanzo could prove to be better than Carimi and shoot into the top 10.

15. Pittsburgh Steelers

Patrick Peterson*, CB, LSU

Despite trading to get Bryant McFadden back, the Steelers still need help in a secondary that didn't make a lot of plays last season.

16. Philadelphia Eagles

Ras-I Dowling, CB, Virginia

Eagles faithful are nervous about starting cornerback Ellis Hobbs, and they need more help in nickel and dime packages.

17. Cincinnati Bengals

Daniel Thomas, RB, Kansas State

The former quarterback led the Big 12 in rushing with 1,265 yards and is still learning the position.

18. New York Giants

Rodney Hudson, G, Florida State

The Giants once-dependable offensive line started showing holes in 2009.

19. Miami Dolphins

Greg Jones, LB, Michigan State

Jones is a tackling machine who surprised a lot of people by returning to Michigan State.

20. Washington Redskins

DeAndre McDaniel, S, Clemson

McDaniel had eight interceptions last season and provides a physical presence against the run.

21. New England Patriots

Greg Romeus, DE, Pitt

Romeus was a basketball player who didn't pick up the sport until his senior year of high school. If he reaches double digits in sacks this season, he should be a first-rounder.

22. Green Bay Packers

Von Miller, DE/OLB, Texas A&M

Miller could fit here as the Packers try to land another outside linebacker to complement Clay Matthews.

23. Houston Texans

Rahim Moore*, S, UCLA

Moore led the nation with 10 interceptions last season and helps fill a big need for the Texans.

24. Atlanta Falcons

Jared Crick*, DT, Nebraska

Crick had five sacks in one game last season. He'll prove he can perform without having Ndamukong Suh drawing all of the offense's attention.

25. San Francisco 49ers

Mark Ingram*, RB, Alabama

Although he has a different style, the 2009 Heisman winner could help lighten the load on Frank Gore and eventually become his replacement.

26. New York Jets

Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa

Clayborn ran into some off-field issues, but the Jets have shown they're not afraid of that kind of risk.

27. San Diego Chargers

Michael Floyd*, WR, Notre Dame

The Chargers don't appear to have many holes right now, but could add depth to the receiving corps.

28. Minnesota Vikings

Christian Ponder, QB, Florida State

Is it possible we'll still be debating whether Brett Favre will come back or not at this point next season?

29. Indianapolis Colts

Allen Bailey, DT, Miami

Bailey considered going pro this year, but will return to lead a unit that isn't producing as many sure-fire first-rounders as it used to.

30. Dallas Cowboys

Nate Potter*, OT, Boise State

The Cowboys will likely have to focus on a long-term answer at left tackle.

31. Baltimore Ravens

Curtis Brown, CB, Texas

Another talented defensive back in a program that's been churning them out.

32. New Orleans Saints

DeMarco Murray, RB, Oklahoma

The Saints don't seem settled at this position, and Murray could provide a long-term answer.

 

[No Way Jose]

Was it Kansas or Kansas St?

His brother is at Kansas State, which is the rumor. I don't think he has announced where he is going to yet, unless I missed.

He is still in Knoxville and going to class, its not done that he doesnt stay at UT. That being said, I would be surprised if he was not at K. State next year. Kinda stupid if you ask me...if he was as good as he thinks he is, he would stay 2 years and go to NFL, instead of sitting out a year and transferring.

 

[CalBear]

Note that if you're trading for next year, you're trading into the risk of a lockout or other labor problem. It might affect the entire season, or it might just create a situation where underclassmen are less likely to come out.

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

Here's another list, although I disagree with a lot of their rankings. They don't list Ryan Williams, Jonathan Baldwin, DeAndre Brown, or Armon Binns, all of whom I think need to be on these lists at this point. No way IMO that Royster should be above Ingram at this point. At the very least though it will give people some names to watch out for next season.

2011 Offensive Prospects

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

Note that if you're trading for next year, you're trading into the risk of a lockout or other labor problem. It might affect the entire season, or it might just create a situation where underclassmen are less likely to come out.

I agree that is a risk, but it is one I am willing to take. I think everyone involved in the NFL is smart enough to realize a lockout can't happen to them. I also think that even though rookie contracts may get cut in half or more, it wont have a big time effect on players declaring. A player slotted in a certain spot may get 1 mil next year instead of 3 mil this year. Still more than enough money to entice college kids to come out.

 

[healthpellets]

Kansas Football: A tradition from September 2007 to October 2009

O.M.G. I'm in love with you.

 

[domvin]

Here's another list, although I disagree with a lot of their rankings. They don't list Ryan Williams, Jonathan Baldwin, DeAndre Brown, or Armon Binns, all of whom I think need to be on these lists at this point. No way IMO that Royster should be above Ingram at this point. At the very least though it will give people some names to watch out for next season.

2011 Offensive Prospects

nice list.

At TE, Kyle Rudolph will be impressive

 

[Cassius]

How does Dez Bryant compare with the top WR's coming out next year?

 

[Chadstroma]

Note that if you're trading for next year, you're trading into the risk of a lockout or other labor problem. It might affect the entire season, or it might just create a situation where underclassmen are less likely to come out.

This is actually a good point that I did not think about and ought to be computed into the analysis of any future move. Good thinkin'

 

[Chadstroma]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writ...raft/index.html

1. Seattle Seahawks

Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas*

The former Michigan quarterback has the most NFL-desirable skills in this deep QB class.

2. Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Da'Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson*

2010 belonged to the defensive tackles. The pass-rushers will take their turn this year, and Bowers is the scariest of the group. However, Bowers needs to be a bit more consistent in 2010.

3. St. Louis Rams

Robert Quinn*, DE, North Carolina

Some see Quinn as the second-coming of Julius Peppers. Overcoming an operation on a brain tumor in high school shows incredible character, but could also make some teams nervous. Not so the Rams.

4. Detroit Lions

Cameron Heyward, DE, Ohio State

The Lions would want to shore up their offensive line here, but this draft might not have the premier left tackle they'd want this high.

5. New England Patriots (via Raiders)

A.J. Green, WR, Georgia*

The Pats will need more offensive playmakers with Randy Moss turning 34 in 2011. Green is Calvin Johnson-light, which is still pretty good.

6. Cleveland Browns

Julio Jones, WR, Alabama

Jones may not have 4.4 40 speed, but neither did Larry Fitzgerald. Most NFL teams choose college production over 40 times in this year's draft.

7. Arizona Cardinals

Prince Amukamara CB, Nebraska

Played big against tough competition last season and has enough athleticism for Nebraska to consider working him into the offense in the coming season.

8. Kansas City Chiefs

Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin

Carimia wasn't overwhelming last year, but could rise to the top of an underwhelming class of potential left tackles.

9. Buffalo Bills

Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri

The knock on Gabbert will be the Missouri system that helped Chase Daniel put up huge numbers. But because of his size (6-foot-5, 240 pounds), Gabbert is a different kind of prospect than Daniel and teams will believe more in the stats.

10. Jacksonville Jaguars

Jake Locker, QB, Washington

The Jags didn't bite on Tim Tebow, but will jump all over next year's big name even if questions remain about Locker's ability as a pure passer.

Stewart Mandel: Locker focuses on Huskies, not draft

11. Tennessee Titans

Marcell Dareus*, DE, Alabama

Dareus got a lot of attention for knocking Colt McCoy out of the national title game, and should emerge as a star as the Crimson Tide tries to repeat.

12. Carolina Panthers

Marvin Austin, DT, North Carolina

No guarantee current GM Marty Hurney and coach John Fox will be making this pick. Analysts wonder if Austin's drive equals his talent, so he'll have to play hard this year to go this high.

13. Denver Broncos

Aaron Williams, CB, Texas

Sometimes overshadowed by other stars in the Texas secondary, Williams will step into the spotlight this season.

14. Chicago Bears

Anthony Costanzo, T, Boston College

Costanzo could prove to be better than Carimi and shoot into the top 10.

15. Pittsburgh Steelers

Patrick Peterson*, CB, LSU

Despite trading to get Bryant McFadden back, the Steelers still need help in a secondary that didn't make a lot of plays last season.

16. Philadelphia Eagles

Ras-I Dowling, CB, Virginia

Eagles faithful are nervous about starting cornerback Ellis Hobbs, and they need more help in nickel and dime packages.

17. Cincinnati Bengals

Daniel Thomas, RB, Kansas State

The former quarterback led the Big 12 in rushing with 1,265 yards and is still learning the position.

18. New York Giants

Rodney Hudson, G, Florida State

The Giants once-dependable offensive line started showing holes in 2009.

19. Miami Dolphins

Greg Jones, LB, Michigan State

Jones is a tackling machine who surprised a lot of people by returning to Michigan State.

20. Washington Redskins

DeAndre McDaniel, S, Clemson

McDaniel had eight interceptions last season and provides a physical presence against the run.

21. New England Patriots

Greg Romeus, DE, Pitt

Romeus was a basketball player who didn't pick up the sport until his senior year of high school. If he reaches double digits in sacks this season, he should be a first-rounder.

22. Green Bay Packers

Von Miller, DE/OLB, Texas A&M

Miller could fit here as the Packers try to land another outside linebacker to complement Clay Matthews.

23. Houston Texans

Rahim Moore*, S, UCLA

Moore led the nation with 10 interceptions last season and helps fill a big need for the Texans.

24. Atlanta Falcons

Jared Crick*, DT, Nebraska

Crick had five sacks in one game last season. He'll prove he can perform without having Ndamukong Suh drawing all of the offense's attention.

25. San Francisco 49ers

Mark Ingram*, RB, Alabama

Although he has a different style, the 2009 Heisman winner could help lighten the load on Frank Gore and eventually become his replacement.

26. New York Jets

Adrian Clayborn, DE, Iowa

Clayborn ran into some off-field issues, but the Jets have shown they're not afraid of that kind of risk.

27. San Diego Chargers

Michael Floyd*, WR, Notre Dame

The Chargers don't appear to have many holes right now, but could add depth to the receiving corps.

28. Minnesota Vikings

Christian Ponder, QB, Florida State

Is it possible we'll still be debating whether Brett Favre will come back or not at this point next season?

29. Indianapolis Colts

Allen Bailey, DT, Miami

Bailey considered going pro this year, but will return to lead a unit that isn't producing as many sure-fire first-rounders as it used to.

30. Dallas Cowboys

Nate Potter*, OT, Boise State

The Cowboys will likely have to focus on a long-term answer at left tackle.

31. Baltimore Ravens

Curtis Brown, CB, Texas

Another talented defensive back in a program that's been churning them out.

32. New Orleans Saints

DeMarco Murray, RB, Oklahoma

The Saints don't seem settled at this position, and Murray could provide a long-term answer.

Not bad for being so long out.

 

[Ksquared]

That was my thoughts exactly. I would have expected much more turmoil in this group.