Looks like Miles Austin will get cut (1 Viewer)

[JohnnyU]

Rotoworld

According to ESPN Dallas, "all the sounds coming from Valley Ranch" suggest the Cowboys "want to move on" from Miles Austin.
It doesn't look like Austin will even get a chance to stay via a pay cut. He's fully expected to be released as a post-June 1 cut, thus saving the Cowboys $5.5 million on a player who has been unable to sustain health or effectiveness since his 2009 breakout. Austin, who will turn 30 in June, is not going to find a hot market after averaging just 3.8 catches for 52.9 yards with 20 touchdowns over the last four seasons. Raw rookie Terrance Williams was far more productive in 2013.

 

[Terpman22]

That's what happens when you bang a Kardashian.

 

[JohnnyU]

That's what happens when you bang a Kardashian.

Is that like cutting Sampson's hair?

 

[Terpman22]

That's what happens when you bang a Kardashian.

Is that like cutting Sampson's hair?

I'm not sure. But if you see him, tell Sampson I wanna talk to him. So he can fly me to the moon like that ##### Alex Crampton.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

That's what happens when you bang a Kardashian.

Is that like cutting Sampson's hair?

I'm not sure. But if you see him, tell Sampson I wanna talk to him. So he can fly me to the moon like that ##### Alex Crampton.

 

[JFS171]

Terrance Williams Owners =

 

[KellysHeroes]

That's what happens when you bang a Kardashian.

which one was he tagging?

and i think we all knew he was on a short leash when they drafted Williams, after his hammy pull he was dead man walking

 

[Late225]

Rotoworld

According to ESPN Dallas, "all the sounds coming from Valley Ranch" suggest the Cowboys "want to move on" from Miles Austin.
It doesn't look like Austin will even get a chance to stay via a pay cut. He's fully expected to be released as a post-June 1 cut, thus saving the Cowboys $5.5 million on a player who has been unable to sustain health or effectiveness since his 2009 breakout. Austin, who will turn 30 in June, is not going to find a hot market after averaging just 3.8 catches for 52.9 yards with 20 touchdowns over the last four seasons. Raw rookie Terrance Williams was far more productive in 2013.

This could be wrong, but according to spotrac.com - it looks like they would only save $400,000 for cutting him.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/miles-austin/

 

[Late225]

If cut, where would Austin rank on the list of free agent wide receivers? I have to believe if healthy, he's somewhere in the top 10.

 

[lawrenceofbruno]

Good question. I tried trading him a week ago but I couldn't even get a 3rd rounder. Looks like a lot of dynasty leaguers have given up on him.

 

[fruity pebbles]

seems like the kind of guy the pats would take a chance on

 

[MoveToSkypager]

seems like the kind of guy the pats would take a chance on

We already have a broken WR. Don't need more, thanks.

 

[JFS171]

Rotoworld

According to ESPN Dallas, "all the sounds coming from Valley Ranch" suggest the Cowboys "want to move on" from Miles Austin.
It doesn't look like Austin will even get a chance to stay via a pay cut. He's fully expected to be released as a post-June 1 cut, thus saving the Cowboys $5.5 million on a player who has been unable to sustain health or effectiveness since his 2009 breakout. Austin, who will turn 30 in June, is not going to find a hot market after averaging just 3.8 catches for 52.9 yards with 20 touchdowns over the last four seasons. Raw rookie Terrance Williams was far more productive in 2013.

This could be wrong, but according to spotrac.com - it looks like they would only save $400,000 for cutting him.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/miles-austin/

As an immediate cut, you're correct. He'd actually be a net negative against the cap when factoring in replacing his roster spot. BUT, as a June 1 cut he saves them quite a bit.

 

[fruity pebbles]

seems like the kind of guy the pats would take a chance on

We already have a broken WR. Don't need more, thanks.

they are very different types of WRs.

 

[JohnnyU]

seems like the kind of guy the pats would take a chance on

Why do a lot of people automatically think the Patriots will sign every player who used to be somebody? Lets see, they've signed Randy Moss and Brandon Lloyd. Who else that were good WRs earlier in their careers that signed with NE on the downside of their career?

 

[Late225]

Rotoworld

According to ESPN Dallas, "all the sounds coming from Valley Ranch" suggest the Cowboys "want to move on" from Miles Austin.
It doesn't look like Austin will even get a chance to stay via a pay cut. He's fully expected to be released as a post-June 1 cut, thus saving the Cowboys $5.5 million on a player who has been unable to sustain health or effectiveness since his 2009 breakout. Austin, who will turn 30 in June, is not going to find a hot market after averaging just 3.8 catches for 52.9 yards with 20 touchdowns over the last four seasons. Raw rookie Terrance Williams was far more productive in 2013.

This could be wrong, but according to spotrac.com - it looks like they would only save $400,000 for cutting him.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/miles-austin/

As an immediate cut, you're correct. He'd actually be a net negative against the cap when factoring in replacing his roster spot. BUT, as a June 1 cut he saves them quite a bit.

Interesting. What changes June 1st? I often hear about June 1st cuts, but I never learned the specifics.

 

[msudaisy26]

seems like the kind of guy the pats would take a chance on

Why do a lot of people automatically think the Patriots will sign every player who used to be somebody? Lets see, they've signed Randy Moss and Brandon Lloyd. Who else that were good WRs earlier in their careers that signed with NE on the downside of their career?

Chad Johnson, Tory Holt, Donte Stallworth, Austin Collie. If you add running backs Fred Taylor, Corey Dillon and Joseph Addai

 

[fruity pebbles]

seems like the kind of guy the pats would take a chance on

Why do a lot of people automatically think the Patriots will sign every player who used to be somebody? Lets see, they've signed Randy Moss and Brandon Lloyd. Who else that were good WRs earlier in their careers that signed with NE on the downside of their career?

Why do people automatically say what you just said. As soon as someone says the Pats might sign him, the calvary comes in and says why is every player tied to the Pats. Chad Johnson was another off the top of my head in answering your question. Reason i think he's an option for them is

A. Very unlikely they sign a high priced WR, they don't have a ton of cap room if they sign Talib.

B. They need a large outside WR desperately

C. They leaves the old or coming off injury, Nicks, Austin, Maclin

 

[Late225]

seems like the kind of guy the pats would take a chance on

Why do a lot of people automatically think the Patriots will sign every player who used to be somebody? Lets see, they've signed Randy Moss and Brandon Lloyd. Who else that were good WRs earlier in their careers that signed with NE on the downside of their career?

Donte Stallworth? Chad Ochocinco? Torry Holt? Joey Galloway?

 

[Late225]

My mind was blown when I saw Torry Holt on a Pats' roster. Completely forgot that happened.

 

[JohnnyU]

seems like the kind of guy the pats would take a chance on

Why do a lot of people automatically think the Patriots will sign every player who used to be somebody? Lets see, they've signed Randy Moss and Brandon Lloyd. Who else that were good WRs earlier in their careers that signed with NE on the downside of their career?

Why do people automatically say what you just said. As soon as someone says the Pats might sign him, the calvary comes in and says why is every player tied to the Pats. Chad Johnson was another off the top of my head in answering your question. Reason i think he's an option for them is

A. Very unlikely they sign a high priced WR, they don't have a ton of cap room if they sign Talib.

B. They need a large outside WR desperately

C. They leaves the old or coming off injury, Nicks, Austin, Maclin

I could see them going after Nicks, but who they really want is Fitzgerald.

 

[fruity pebbles]

seems like the kind of guy the pats would take a chance on

Why do a lot of people automatically think the Patriots will sign every player who used to be somebody? Lets see, they've signed Randy Moss and Brandon Lloyd. Who else that were good WRs earlier in their careers that signed with NE on the downside of their career?

Why do people automatically say what you just said. As soon as someone says the Pats might sign him, the calvary comes in and says why is every player tied to the Pats. Chad Johnson was another off the top of my head in answering your question. Reason i think he's an option for them is

A. Very unlikely they sign a high priced WR, they don't have a ton of cap room if they sign Talib.

B. They need a large outside WR desperately

C. They leaves the old or coming off injury, Nicks, Austin, Maclin

I could see them going after Nicks, but who they really want is Fitzgerald.

They can't afford Fitzs price. Nicks i'd like to see but he could command a lot of attention, far more than Miles imo and they are similar players.

 

[JohnnyU]

seems like the kind of guy the pats would take a chance on

Why do a lot of people automatically think the Patriots will sign every player who used to be somebody? Lets see, they've signed Randy Moss and Brandon Lloyd. Who else that were good WRs earlier in their careers that signed with NE on the downside of their career?

Why do people automatically say what you just said. As soon as someone says the Pats might sign him, the calvary comes in and says why is every player tied to the Pats. Chad Johnson was another off the top of my head in answering your question. Reason i think he's an option for them is

A. Very unlikely they sign a high priced WR, they don't have a ton of cap room if they sign Talib.

B. They need a large outside WR desperately

C. They leaves the old or coming off injury, Nicks, Austin, Maclin

I could see them going after Nicks, but who they really want is Fitzgerald.

They can't afford Fitzs price. Nicks i'd like to see but he could command a lot of attention, far more than Miles imo and they are similar players.

Didn't Fitz just restructure his deal? Was it a pay cut, or did he just move future dollars forward? If it was a pay cut that would make it easier to trade him.

 

[JFS171]

Rotoworld

According to ESPN Dallas, "all the sounds coming from Valley Ranch" suggest the Cowboys "want to move on" from Miles Austin.
It doesn't look like Austin will even get a chance to stay via a pay cut. He's fully expected to be released as a post-June 1 cut, thus saving the Cowboys $5.5 million on a player who has been unable to sustain health or effectiveness since his 2009 breakout. Austin, who will turn 30 in June, is not going to find a hot market after averaging just 3.8 catches for 52.9 yards with 20 touchdowns over the last four seasons. Raw rookie Terrance Williams was far more productive in 2013.

This could be wrong, but according to spotrac.com - it looks like they would only save $400,000 for cutting him.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/miles-austin/

As an immediate cut, you're correct. He'd actually be a net negative against the cap when factoring in replacing his roster spot. BUT, as a June 1 cut he saves them quite a bit.

Interesting. What changes June 1st? I often hear about June 1st cuts, but I never learned the specifics.

It's complicated, but they're allowed to prorate the cap hit over two seasons by designating him a June 1 cut.

When you cut a guy, all prorations come due in the current cap year. When it's June 1, you get to split the hit between the current year and the following year. I'm not sure of all the specifics in Austin's case, but the hit being spread over two years saves them quite a bit of coin.

 

[fruity pebbles]

seems like the kind of guy the pats would take a chance on

Why do a lot of people automatically think the Patriots will sign every player who used to be somebody? Lets see, they've signed Randy Moss and Brandon Lloyd. Who else that were good WRs earlier in their careers that signed with NE on the downside of their career?

Why do people automatically say what you just said. As soon as someone says the Pats might sign him, the calvary comes in and says why is every player tied to the Pats. Chad Johnson was another off the top of my head in answering your question. Reason i think he's an option for them is

A. Very unlikely they sign a high priced WR, they don't have a ton of cap room if they sign Talib.

B. They need a large outside WR desperately

C. They leaves the old or coming off injury, Nicks, Austin, Maclin

I could see them going after Nicks, but who they really want is Fitzgerald.

They can't afford Fitzs price. Nicks i'd like to see but he could command a lot of attention, far more than Miles imo and they are similar players.

Didn't Fitz just restructure his deal? Was it a pay cut, or did he just move future dollars forward? If it was a pay cut that would make it easier to trade him.

It was just a restructure, converting salary into bonus to free up some cap space this year. Thing with Fitz is you also have to trade for him and im sure the Cards would want good assets back in addition to paying his salary.

 

[Eminence]

He's talented but doesn't seem like the kind of guy who really cares anymore. He got one big payday, seems like he'd be willing to work hard one more time to get another. I drafted him last year and regretted it, would be hard to resist if the landing spot is good though.

Hope he takes a 1-year 'prove it' contract somewhere.

 

[Eminence]

Bump Dwayne Harris? Their Receiving Core is competent as it is and this team needs defense more than anything.

 

[cstu]

Rotoworld

According to ESPN Dallas, "all the sounds coming from Valley Ranch" suggest the Cowboys "want to move on" from Miles Austin.

It doesn't look like Austin will even get a chance to stay via a pay cut. He's fully expected to be released as a post-June 1 cut, thus saving the Cowboys $5.5 million on a player who has been unable to sustain health or effectiveness since his 2009 breakout. Austin, who will turn 30 in June, is not going to find a hot market after averaging just 3.8 catches for 52.9 yards with 20 touchdowns over the last four seasons. Raw rookie Terrance Williams was far more productive in 2013.

This could be wrong, but according to spotrac.com - it looks like they would only save $400,000 for cutting him. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/miles-austin/

As an immediate cut, you're correct. He'd actually be a net negative against the cap when factoring in replacing his roster spot. BUT, as a June 1 cut he saves them quite a bit.

Interesting. What changes June 1st? I often hear about June 1st cuts, but I never learned the specifics.

The cap hit can be split between the current and following year. Teams no longer have to wait until June 1 and can designate players as June 1 and cut them early.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

seems like the kind of guy the pats would take a chance on

We already have a broken WR. Don't need more, thanks.

they are very different types of WRs.

So? They still displace the roster by being broken and not playing to their potential. Don't need more, thanks.

 

[fruity pebbles]

seems like the kind of guy the pats would take a chance on

We already have a broken WR. Don't need more, thanks.

they are very different types of WRs.

So? They still displace the roster by being broken and not playing to their potential. Don't need more, thanks.

Well since you're not the GM, move along, thanks.

 

[KellysHeroes]

seems like the kind of guy the pats would take a chance on

Why do a lot of people automatically think the Patriots will sign every player who used to be somebody? Lets see, they've signed Randy Moss and Brandon Lloyd. Who else that were good WRs earlier in their careers that signed with NE on the downside of their career?

Donte Stallworth? Chad Ochocinco? Torry Holt? Joey Galloway?

I can see my Jets calling him the day after hes cut... they could use him next to whoever they will be starting

 

[MoveToSkypager]

seems like the kind of guy the pats would take a chance on

We already have a broken WR. Don't need more, thanks.

they are very different types of WRs.

So? They still displace the roster by being broken and not playing to their potential. Don't need more, thanks.

Well since you're not the GM, move along, thanks.

Are you? Even I wouldn't say something that dumb.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

seems like the kind of guy the pats would take a chance on

Why do a lot of people automatically think the Patriots will sign every player who used to be somebody? Lets see, they've signed Randy Moss and Brandon Lloyd. Who else that were good WRs earlier in their careers that signed with NE on the downside of their career?

Donte Stallworth? Chad Ochocinco? Torry Holt? Joey Galloway?

I can see my Jets calling him the day after hes cut... they could use him next to whoever they will be starting

I can see this as well, played his high school ball (Garfield) and college ball (Monmouth) in NJ and has the size/speed that they need - provided he can stay healthy, which of course has been an issue.

 

[Bob Magaw]

seems like the kind of guy the pats would take a chance on

Why do a lot of people automatically think the Patriots will sign every player who used to be somebody? Lets see, they've signed Randy Moss and Brandon Lloyd. Who else that were good WRs earlier in their careers that signed with NE on the downside of their career?

Donte Stallworth? Chad Ochocinco? Torry Holt? Joey Galloway?

I can see my Jets calling him the day after hes cut... they could use him next to whoever they will be starting

I can see this as well, played his high school ball (Garfield) and college ball (Monmouth) in NJ and has the size/speed that they need - provided he can stay healthy, which of course has been an issue.

Good points, the Jets desperately need help at the position, arguably as much as any team in the league. CAR and DET seem to perpetually need a WR2 opposite Johnson and Smith, but not sure about their cap situation. He would have to be a lot cheaper than Nicks, agreed he can probably be gotten for the price of a one year prove it contract.

 

[matttyl]

Terrance Williams Owners =

900+ yards with Austin gone?

 

[FF Ninja]

seems like the kind of guy the pats would take a chance on

Why do a lot of people automatically think the Patriots will sign every player who used to be somebody? Lets see, they've signed Randy Moss and Brandon Lloyd. Who else that were good WRs earlier in their careers that signed with NE on the downside of their career?

Why do people automatically say what you just said. As soon as someone says the Pats might sign him, the calvary comes in and says why is every player tied to the Pats. Chad Johnson was another off the top of my head in answering your question. Reason i think he's an option for them is

A. Very unlikely they sign a high priced WR, they don't have a ton of cap room if they sign Talib.

B. They need a large outside WR desperately

C. They leaves the old or coming off injury, Nicks, Austin, Maclin

I could see them going after Nicks, but who they really want is Fitzgerald.

They can't afford Fitzs price. Nicks i'd like to see but he could command a lot of attention, far more than Miles imo and they are similar players.

Didn't Fitz just restructure his deal? Was it a pay cut, or did he just move future dollars forward? If it was a pay cut that would make it easier to trade him.

It was just a restructure, converting salary into bonus to free up some cap space this year. Thing with Fitz is you also have to trade for him and im sure the Cards would want good assets back in addition to paying his salary.

The other thing is that when you trade a player the previously pro-rated bonus is accelerated to that year so whatever restructuring they just did would be rendered moot. They'd need a very good player on a rookie contract to make that trade. Therefore, Fitz isn't going anywhere.

 

[GregR]

Rotoworld

According to ESPN Dallas, "all the sounds coming from Valley Ranch" suggest the Cowboys "want to move on" from Miles Austin.
It doesn't look like Austin will even get a chance to stay via a pay cut. He's fully expected to be released as a post-June 1 cut, thus saving the Cowboys $5.5 million on a player who has been unable to sustain health or effectiveness since his 2009 breakout. Austin, who will turn 30 in June, is not going to find a hot market after averaging just 3.8 catches for 52.9 yards with 20 touchdowns over the last four seasons. Raw rookie Terrance Williams was far more productive in 2013.

This could be wrong, but according to spotrac.com - it looks like they would only save $400,000 for cutting him.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/miles-austin/

As an immediate cut, you're correct. He'd actually be a net negative against the cap when factoring in replacing his roster spot. BUT, as a June 1 cut he saves them quite a bit.

Interesting. What changes June 1st? I often hear about June 1st cuts, but I never learned the specifics.

It's complicated, but they're allowed to prorate the cap hit over two seasons by designating him a June 1 cut.

When you cut a guy, all prorations come due in the current cap year. When it's June 1, you get to split the hit between the current year and the following year. I'm not sure of all the specifics in Austin's case, but the hit being spread over two years saves them quite a bit of coin.

Right, instead of taking the whole cap hit immediately, it's split in half over this year and next.

It used to be that you had to wait until after June 1 to get that option, anyone cut before June 1 would have their whole cap hit that year. The players didn't like it since it meant teams would hang onto players they planned to release until June 1, causing those players to not hit the market until a lot of the free agent money had been spent.

So they negotiated into the CBA to give teams that option of spreading the cap hit over 2 years even if cut before June 1. They still kept the name "June 1 designation" but the actual date of release doesn't matter anymore.

 

[JohnnyU]

I remember when Austin came out of nowhere and his star burned hot for just a little while. It's amazing how quickly that star can go out.

 

[Ridgelake]

seems like the kind of guy the pats would take a chance on

Why do a lot of people automatically think the Patriots will sign every player who used to be somebody? Lets see, they've signed Randy Moss and Brandon Lloyd. Who else that were good WRs earlier in their careers that signed with NE on the downside of their career?

Donte Stallworth? Chad Ochocinco? Torry Holt? Joey Galloway?

I can see my Jets calling him the day after hes cut... they could use him next to whoever they will be starting

If I recall correctly, the Jets actually signed him to a RFA contract a few years back. Dallas matched it.

 

[SacramentoBob]

seems like the kind of guy the pats would take a chance on

Why do a lot of people automatically think the Patriots will sign every player who used to be somebody? Lets see, they've signed Randy Moss and Brandon Lloyd. Who else that were good WRs earlier in their careers that signed with NE on the downside of their career?

Chad Johnson, Tory Holt, Donte Stallworth, Austin Collie. If you add running backs Fred Taylor, Corey Dillon and Joseph Addai

That must sting.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I remember when Austin came out of nowhere and his star burned hot for just a little while. It's amazing how quickly that star can go out.

those hamstring injuries can be taxing

 

[Ridgelake]

He's talented but doesn't seem like the kind of guy who really cares anymore. He got one big payday, seems like he'd be willing to work hard one more time to get another. I drafted him last year and regretted it, would be hard to resist if the landing spot is good though.

Hope he takes a 1-year 'prove it' contract somewhere.

Austin's work ethic has never been questioned in Dallas circles. Actually, some suggest that his hamstring problems have been from overwork.

Austin got where he was by working his ### off. He was UDFA and knows what its like to earn your way. No, his lack of production wasn't from lack of effort. It was lack of health.

 

[JohnnyU]

I remember when Austin came out of nowhere and his star burned hot for just a little while. It's amazing how quickly that star can go out.

those hamstring injuries can be taxing

I've seen players have a lot worse injuries than Austin and come back strong (see Demaryius Thomas torn Achilles). I don't think he ever was really that good to begin with. He had his 15 minutes of fame.

 

[JohnnyU]

seems like the kind of guy the pats would take a chance on

Why do a lot of people automatically think the Patriots will sign every player who used to be somebody? Lets see, they've signed Randy Moss and Brandon Lloyd. Who else that were good WRs earlier in their careers that signed with NE on the downside of their career?

Chad Johnson, Tory Holt, Donte Stallworth, Austin Collie. If you add running backs Fred Taylor, Corey Dillon and Joseph Addai

That must sting.

I don't recall any of those WRs ever being any good with NE, BUT yes, they did sign them and no, there's nothing to sting about forgetting those has beens. Hell, the only RB in that list that did anything with NE was Dillon. Now Randy Moss and Lloyd were successful briefly for NE.

 

[Spike]

seems like the kind of guy the pats would take a chance on

Why do a lot of people automatically think the Patriots will sign every player who used to be somebody? Lets see, they've signed Randy Moss and Brandon Lloyd. Who else that were good WRs earlier in their careers that signed with NE on the downside of their career?

Chad Johnson, Tory Holt, Donte Stallworth, Austin Collie. If you add running backs Fred Taylor, Corey Dillon and Joseph Addai

This list causes me pain...

 

[Bob Magaw]

I remember when Austin came out of nowhere and his star burned hot for just a little while. It's amazing how quickly that star can go out.

those hamstring injuries can be taxing

Isaac Bruce had his early, I thought they might derail his career, than he found a stretching regimen that worked (Austin should call him?) and ended up with a Hall of Fame-type career.