Looks like VW is totally screwed (1 Viewer)

[Baloney Sandwich]

I have a neighbor that runs a VW dealership, I'm guessing someone like him is SOL?

 

[culdeus]

I have a neighbor that runs a VW dealership, I'm guessing someone like him is SOL?

No, he should make out like bandit. All the rework labor costs he can charge back to VW. And it's assembly line stuff that they probably can bill 50%-200% over labor for to the corporate.

 

[Foosball God]

Their stock has been taking a dump. It might be a buy opportunity soon.

 

[BowieMercs]

I have a neighbor that runs a VW dealership, I'm guessing someone like him is SOL?

No, he should make out like bandit. All the rework labor costs he can charge back to VW. And it's assembly line stuff that they probably can bill 50%-200% over labor for to the corporate.

The fix will probably be just an ECU reflash to go along with some fake tubing & a DEF reservoir.

 

[culdeus]

I told this story once, I had a family member who had ownership in the Used/Lease/Service side of Ford during the Firestone exploding wheel thing. It basically put his kids through college. Ford would take any firestone tire back regardless of whether it was recalled or not and pulled them off the lot.

He was able to resell the tires (not on list) at 50 cents on the dollar and got 100 cents on the dollar for ones on the list. Ford picked up the tab for all of them. Then people were fire sale their explorers for nothing thinking they were unsafe, he moved those on trucks to sell wholesale at a gigantic profit.

Not sure what he cleared during that but this was late 90s and I'm gonna guess he made close to 500k in straight profit over the course of about 3 months. Could be 4x higher, I never could figure it out.

 

[comfortably numb]

Anyone else have the feeling that VW isn't the only company with these types of practices?

Not really. I'm surprised anyone had the gall to do what they did. I'd be even more surprised if more companies did it as well.

I'm in the camp that these thing happen a bit with major corporations.

Just this week peanut corp CEO knowingly ships salmonella tainted peanuts which led to the deaths of 9 Americans sentenced to 28 years.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/22/us-usa-georgia-salmonella-idUSKCN0RL24H20150922

 

[Nugget]

I have a neighbor that runs a VW dealership, I'm guessing someone like him is SOL?

No, he should make out like bandit. All the rework labor costs he can charge back to VW. And it's assembly line stuff that they probably can bill 50%-200% over labor for to the corporate.

Dealer will be fine on the service end - there may be some hurting on the sales side. Not sure how many college girls are going to want to be seen in a VW now - look for Subaru sales to sky rocket.

 

[Ned]

I have a neighbor that runs a VW dealership, I'm guessing someone like him is SOL?

No, he should make out like bandit. All the rework labor costs he can charge back to VW. And it's assembly line stuff that they probably can bill 50%-200% over labor for to the corporate.

Dealer will be fine on the service end - there may be some hurting on the sales side. Not sure how many college girls are going to want to be seen in a VW now - look for Subaru sales to sky rocket.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

The CEO is saying he's "endlessly sorry". I tell you what I would do, I'd look Uncle Fritz straight in the monocle and say NINE!!

 

[Sand]

I would never buy a Fuhrer Mobile.

That company was forged in the fires of concentration camp ovens. Sickening.

Then don't buy any Siemens products.

Not to mention Braun electric razors.

Don't forget IBM.

 

[jb1020]

I have a neighbor that runs a VW dealership, I'm guessing someone like him is SOL?

No, he should make out like bandit. All the rework labor costs he can charge back to VW. And it's assembly line stuff that they probably can bill 50%-200% over labor for to the corporate.

Dealer will be fine on the service end - there may be some hurting on the sales side. Not sure how many college girls are going to want to be seen in a VW now - look for Subaru sales to sky rocket.

The lure of my 1983 Vanagon will still live on. Coolest vehicle on the planet...

 

[CBusAlex]

I have a neighbor that runs a VW dealership, I'm guessing someone like him is SOL?

No, he should make out like bandit. All the rework labor costs he can charge back to VW. And it's assembly line stuff that they probably can bill 50%-200% over labor for to the corporate.

The fix will probably be just an ECU reflash to go along with some fake tubing & a DEF reservoir.

"The recall will proceed as soon as we figure out a way to defeat the device that was used to detect our original defeat device."

 

[SacramentoBob]

The CEO is saying he's "endlessly sorry". I tell you what I would do, I'd look Uncle Fritz straight in the monocle and say NINE!!

He needs to get KOed like Richard Fuld did.

 

[BoltBacker]

I have a neighbor that runs a VW dealership, I'm guessing someone like him is SOL?

No, he should make out like bandit. All the rework labor costs he can charge back to VW. And it's assembly line stuff that they probably can bill 50%-200% over labor for to the corporate.

Dealer will be fine on the service end - there may be some hurting on the sales side. Not sure how many college girls are going to want to be seen in a VW now - look for Subaru sales to sky rocket.

I thought most girls experiment in college at being a Subaru driver, but always come back to needing a stick shift in the end?

 

[BoltBacker]

I have a neighbor that runs a VW dealership, I'm guessing someone like him is SOL?

No, he should make out like bandit. All the rework labor costs he can charge back to VW. And it's assembly line stuff that they probably can bill 50%-200% over labor for to the corporate.

The fix will probably be just an ECU reflash to go along with some fake tubing & a DEF reservoir.

"The recall will proceed as soon as we figure out a way to defeat the device that was used to detect our original defeat device."

Those crazy Germans, always working on defeating devices but ultimately getting defeated.

 

[Joe Summer]

The CEO is saying he's "endlessly sorry". I tell you what I would do, I'd look Uncle Fritz straight in the monocle and say NINE!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u0EL_u4nvw

 

[BobbyLayne]

This is amazing. I wonder who figured this out? A whistleblower or a end user?

(5) How was it discovered?

This is one of the more interesting parts of the story: It wasn't discovered by the EPA at all, but by a clean-air group that tested VW diesel models to confirm its hypothesis that the latest diesel cars complied with all emissions standards while remaining much more efficient than comparable gasoline cars.

As recounted by Bloomberg, the International Council on Clean Transportation (ICCT) had studied European diesel cars and discovered that the on-road emissions of some models were notably higher than those measured in lab testing.

So the group decided to replicate its tests in the U.S., which then had much stricter emissions limits (known as Tier 2, Bin 5) than the Euro 5 standards in force in the European Union until this year.

They tested the cars on a dynamometer, or "rolling road," then measured their emissions in real-world use with a variety of speeds, road types, and demands on a road trip from San Diego to Seattle.

We had no cause for suspicion, John German, the ICCT's U.S. co-lead, told Bloomberg. We thought the vehicles would be clean.

The U.S. models too proved to have on-road emissions far higher than the maximum legal limits, so high that German termed the results "shocking."

On the open road, a Volkswagen Jetta TDI blew through the U.S. nitrogen oxide (NOx) emissions limit by 15 to 35 times. A VW Passat TDI (with urea aftertreatment) was 5 to 20 times the maximum.

A BMW X5 xDrive 35d diesel crossover equipped with urea aftertreatment and tested at the same time, however, met the emission limits under all circumstances.

The U.S. EPA and CARB opened a joint investigation into the cars in May 2014, but it was not publicized.

Last December, VW recalled nearly half a million cars for a software patch to fix the problem--but CARB found it didn't enable the cars to meet the regulations. Matters came to a head on July 8, when CARB informed the EPA and VW of its findings.

This month, the EPA refused to certify VW's 2016 TDI models for sale, based on its real-world testing of the vehicle's emissions--which exceeded the legal limits, even though its lab tests didn't.

That's when Volkswagen admitted that it had installed the "defeat" software. The EPA went public within a few weeks.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/In-Gear/2015/0922/VW-diesel-emissions-recall-widens-10-things-you-need-to-know

 

[BobbyLayne]

Not just 482K U.S. TDI diesel cars.

11 million cars.

Not just VW AG.

The DE Ministry of Transport knew of the deception.

Pretty deep rabbit hole.

 

[Mr. Ected]

This is amazing. I wonder who figured this out? A whistleblower or a end user?

(5) How was it discovered?

This is one of the more interesting parts of the story: It wasn't discovered by the EPA at all, but by a clean-air group that tested VW diesel models to confirm its hypothesis that the latest diesel cars complied with all emissions standards while remaining much more efficient than comparable gasoline cars.

As recounted by Bloomberg, the International Council on Clean Transportation (ICCT) had studied European diesel cars and discovered that the on-road emissions of some models were notably higher than those measured in lab testing.

So the group decided to replicate its tests in the U.S., which then had much stricter emissions limits (known as Tier 2, Bin 5) than the Euro 5 standards in force in the European Union until this year.

They tested the cars on a dynamometer, or "rolling road," then measured their emissions in real-world use with a variety of speeds, road types, and demands on a road trip from San Diego to Seattle.

We had no cause for suspicion, John German, the ICCT's U.S. co-lead, told Bloomberg. We thought the vehicles would be clean.

The U.S. models too proved to have on-road emissions far higher than the maximum legal limits, so high that German termed the results "shocking."

On the open road, a Volkswagen Jetta TDI blew through the U.S. nitrogen oxide (NOx) emissions limit by 15 to 35 times. A VW Passat TDI (with urea aftertreatment) was 5 to 20 times the maximum.

A BMW X5 xDrive 35d diesel crossover equipped with urea aftertreatment and tested at the same time, however, met the emission limits under all circumstances.

The U.S. EPA and CARB opened a joint investigation into the cars in May 2014, but it was not publicized.

Last December, VW recalled nearly half a million cars for a software patch to fix the problem--but CARB found it didn't enable the cars to meet the regulations. Matters came to a head on July 8, when CARB informed the EPA and VW of its findings.

This month, the EPA refused to certify VW's 2016 TDI models for sale, based on its real-world testing of the vehicle's emissions--which exceeded the legal limits, even though its lab tests didn't.

That's when Volkswagen admitted that it had installed the "defeat" software. The EPA went public within a few weeks.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/In-Gear/2015/0922/VW-diesel-emissions-recall-widens-10-things-you-need-to-know

Interesting that EPA knew about it in May of 2014, but didn't say anything about it.

 

[BobbyLayne]

What is also quite interesting is that the German government, directly and through mutual funds and pension fund, are the largest owner of VW. Obviously they haven't traded on this advance information - it would be very suspicious if the goverment started selling off ownership in VW on no news.

No, what I'm saying is they have a vested interested (major shareholder, VW creates a lot of jobs and is very important to the German economy) in keeping this down and out of the searchlight. For all we know there may have been very high up political discussions in the last 6 weeks, I'm thinking on the level of Merkel calling Obama, where the Germans may have hoped to silence the whole thing while the US likely in the end decided to let the EPA do it's thing on this.

On a related note: big public companies like VW must have contingency plans i.e. a pre-formed strategy of any way they could get out of a situation where the stock price tumbles uncontrollably for whatever reason with the least amount of damage. Like now, I think VW have several pre-considered options on the table, going private with parts of their business can be one, split up in smaller chunks and let one of them go bancrupt is another (think cutting off the arm with gangrene to let the rest of the body live).

 

[Foosball God]

This is amazing. I wonder who figured this out? A whistleblower or a end user?

(5) How was it discovered?

This is one of the more interesting parts of the story: It wasn't discovered by the EPA at all, but by a clean-air group that tested VW diesel models to confirm its hypothesis that the latest diesel cars complied with all emissions standards while remaining much more efficient than comparable gasoline cars.

As recounted by Bloomberg, the International Council on Clean Transportation (ICCT) had studied European diesel cars and discovered that the on-road emissions of some models were notably higher than those measured in lab testing.

So the group decided to replicate its tests in the U.S., which then had much stricter emissions limits (known as Tier 2, Bin 5) than the Euro 5 standards in force in the European Union until this year.

They tested the cars on a dynamometer, or "rolling road," then measured their emissions in real-world use with a variety of speeds, road types, and demands on a road trip from San Diego to Seattle.

We had no cause for suspicion, John German, the ICCT's U.S. co-lead, told Bloomberg. We thought the vehicles would be clean.

The U.S. models too proved to have on-road emissions far higher than the maximum legal limits, so high that German termed the results "shocking."

On the open road, a Volkswagen Jetta TDI blew through the U.S. nitrogen oxide (NOx) emissions limit by 15 to 35 times. A VW Passat TDI (with urea aftertreatment) was 5 to 20 times the maximum.

A BMW X5 xDrive 35d diesel crossover equipped with urea aftertreatment and tested at the same time, however, met the emission limits under all circumstances.

The U.S. EPA and CARB opened a joint investigation into the cars in May 2014, but it was not publicized.

Last December, VW recalled nearly half a million cars for a software patch to fix the problem--but CARB found it didn't enable the cars to meet the regulations. Matters came to a head on July 8, when CARB informed the EPA and VW of its findings.

This month, the EPA refused to certify VW's 2016 TDI models for sale, based on its real-world testing of the vehicle's emissions--which exceeded the legal limits, even though its lab tests didn't.

That's when Volkswagen admitted that it had installed the "defeat" software. The EPA went public within a few weeks.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/In-Gear/2015/0922/VW-diesel-emissions-recall-widens-10-things-you-need-to-know

Interesting that EPA knew about it in May of 2014, but didn't say anything about it.

It was just a suspicion at that point. It would be pretty ballsy to call out VW then.

 

[BobbyLayne]

This is amazing. I wonder who figured this out? A whistleblower or a end user?

(5) How was it discovered?This is one of the more interesting parts of the story: It wasn't discovered by the EPA at all, but by a clean-air group that tested VW diesel models to confirm its hypothesis that the latest diesel cars complied with all emissions standards while remaining much more efficient than comparable gasoline cars.

As recounted by Bloomberg, the International Council on Clean Transportation (ICCT) had studied European diesel cars and discovered that the on-road emissions of some models were notably higher than those measured in lab testing.

So the group decided to replicate its tests in the U.S., which then had much stricter emissions limits (known as Tier 2, Bin 5) than the Euro 5 standards in force in the European Union until this year.

They tested the cars on a dynamometer, or "rolling road," then measured their emissions in real-world use with a variety of speeds, road types, and demands on a road trip from San Diego to Seattle.

We had no cause for suspicion, John German, the ICCT's U.S. co-lead, told Bloomberg. We thought the vehicles would be clean.

The U.S. models too proved to have on-road emissions far higher than the maximum legal limits, so high that German termed the results "shocking."

On the open road, a Volkswagen Jetta TDI blew through the U.S. nitrogen oxide (NOx) emissions limit by 15 to 35 times. A VW Passat TDI (with urea aftertreatment) was 5 to 20 times the maximum.

A BMW X5 xDrive 35d diesel crossover equipped with urea aftertreatment and tested at the same time, however, met the emission limits under all circumstances.

The U.S. EPA and CARB opened a joint investigation into the cars in May 2014, but it was not publicized.

Last December, VW recalled nearly half a million cars for a software patch to fix the problem--but CARB found it didn't enable the cars to meet the regulations. Matters came to a head on July 8, when CARB informed the EPA and VW of its findings.

This month, the EPA refused to certify VW's 2016 TDI models for sale, based on its real-world testing of the vehicle's emissions--which exceeded the legal limits, even though its lab tests didn't.

That's when Volkswagen admitted that it had installed the "defeat" software. The EPA went public within a few weeks.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/In-Gear/2015/0922/VW-diesel-emissions-recall-widens-10-things-you-need-to-know

Interesting that EPA knew about it in May of 2014, but didn't say anything about it.

No doubt there are disclosure rules in place to prevent SP manipulation, e.g., opening an investigation doesn't mean they had reached any conclusions at that juncture. If at that point it was merely disputed findings, what public good would be served publishing an incomplete investigation?

 

[culdeus]

This is amazing. I wonder who figured this out? A whistleblower or a end user?

(5) How was it discovered?

This is one of the more interesting parts of the story: It wasn't discovered by the EPA at all, but by a clean-air group that tested VW diesel models to confirm its hypothesis that the latest diesel cars complied with all emissions standards while remaining much more efficient than comparable gasoline cars.

As recounted by Bloomberg, the International Council on Clean Transportation (ICCT) had studied European diesel cars and discovered that the on-road emissions of some models were notably higher than those measured in lab testing.

So the group decided to replicate its tests in the U.S., which then had much stricter emissions limits (known as Tier 2, Bin 5) than the Euro 5 standards in force in the European Union until this year.

They tested the cars on a dynamometer, or "rolling road," then measured their emissions in real-world use with a variety of speeds, road types, and demands on a road trip from San Diego to Seattle.

We had no cause for suspicion, John German, the ICCT's U.S. co-lead, told Bloomberg. We thought the vehicles would be clean.

The U.S. models too proved to have on-road emissions far higher than the maximum legal limits, so high that German termed the results "shocking."

On the open road, a Volkswagen Jetta TDI blew through the U.S. nitrogen oxide (NOx) emissions limit by 15 to 35 times. A VW Passat TDI (with urea aftertreatment) was 5 to 20 times the maximum.

A BMW X5 xDrive 35d diesel crossover equipped with urea aftertreatment and tested at the same time, however, met the emission limits under all circumstances.

The U.S. EPA and CARB opened a joint investigation into the cars in May 2014, but it was not publicized.

Last December, VW recalled nearly half a million cars for a software patch to fix the problem--but CARB found it didn't enable the cars to meet the regulations. Matters came to a head on July 8, when CARB informed the EPA and VW of its findings.

This month, the EPA refused to certify VW's 2016 TDI models for sale, based on its real-world testing of the vehicle's emissions--which exceeded the legal limits, even though its lab tests didn't.

That's when Volkswagen admitted that it had installed the "defeat" software. The EPA went public within a few weeks.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/In-Gear/2015/0922/VW-diesel-emissions-recall-widens-10-things-you-need-to-know

Interesting that EPA knew about it in May of 2014, but didn't say anything about it.

They knew something was up in May 2014 but took until July 8 2015 before they knew exactly what that was is the way I read it.

It is interesting the EPA didn't de-certify the cars based on the emissions criteria right then in 2014, not knowing the reason for discrepancy.

 

[17seconds]

Wonder if this will be worse than the Audi 5000 thing in the 80s. That killed them in the US for about a decade.

 

[Ned]

This is amazing. I wonder who figured this out? A whistleblower or a end user?

(5) How was it discovered?This is one of the more interesting parts of the story: It wasn't discovered by the EPA at all, but by a clean-air group that tested VW diesel models to confirm its hypothesis that the latest diesel cars complied with all emissions standards while remaining much more efficient than comparable gasoline cars.

As recounted by Bloomberg, the International Council on Clean Transportation (ICCT) had studied European diesel cars and discovered that the on-road emissions of some models were notably higher than those measured in lab testing.

So the group decided to replicate its tests in the U.S., which then had much stricter emissions limits (known as Tier 2, Bin 5) than the Euro 5 standards in force in the European Union until this year.

They tested the cars on a dynamometer, or "rolling road," then measured their emissions in real-world use with a variety of speeds, road types, and demands on a road trip from San Diego to Seattle.

We had no cause for suspicion, John German, the ICCT's U.S. co-lead, told Bloomberg. We thought the vehicles would be clean.

The U.S. models too proved to have on-road emissions far higher than the maximum legal limits, so high that German termed the results "shocking."

On the open road, a Volkswagen Jetta TDI blew through the U.S. nitrogen oxide (NOx) emissions limit by 15 to 35 times. A VW Passat TDI (with urea aftertreatment) was 5 to 20 times the maximum.

A BMW X5 xDrive 35d diesel crossover equipped with urea aftertreatment and tested at the same time, however, met the emission limits under all circumstances.

The U.S. EPA and CARB opened a joint investigation into the cars in May 2014, but it was not publicized.

Last December, VW recalled nearly half a million cars for a software patch to fix the problem--but CARB found it didn't enable the cars to meet the regulations. Matters came to a head on July 8, when CARB informed the EPA and VW of its findings.

This month, the EPA refused to certify VW's 2016 TDI models for sale, based on its real-world testing of the vehicle's emissions--which exceeded the legal limits, even though its lab tests didn't.

That's when Volkswagen admitted that it had installed the "defeat" software. The EPA went public within a few weeks.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/In-Gear/2015/0922/VW-diesel-emissions-recall-widens-10-things-you-need-to-know

Interesting that EPA knew about it in May of 2014, but didn't say anything about it.

May Roger Goodell should be running the EPA.

 

[igbomb]

I have a neighbor that runs a VW dealership, I'm guessing someone like him is SOL?

No, he should make out like bandit. All the rework labor costs he can charge back to VW. And it's assembly line stuff that they probably can bill 50%-200% over labor for to the corporate.

The fix will probably be just an ECU reflash to go along with some fake tubing & a DEF reservoir.

They hope. If they need to add urea systems they're going to get crushed on cost. A cal fix that actually reduces emissions enough is going to gut the fuel and performance of this thing. Keep in mind that they were 10 to 40 times over the allowable NOx amount. It's not like they were just missing the target. They may very well need to add hardware.

 

[BoltBacker]

This is amazing. I wonder who figured this out? A whistleblower or a end user?

(5) How was it discovered?This is one of the more interesting parts of the story: It wasn't discovered by the EPA at all, but by a clean-air group that tested VW diesel models to confirm its hypothesis that the latest diesel cars complied with all emissions standards while remaining much more efficient than comparable gasoline cars.

As recounted by Bloomberg, the International Council on Clean Transportation (ICCT) had studied European diesel cars and discovered that the on-road emissions of some models were notably higher than those measured in lab testing.

So the group decided to replicate its tests in the U.S., which then had much stricter emissions limits (known as Tier 2, Bin 5) than the Euro 5 standards in force in the European Union until this year.

They tested the cars on a dynamometer, or "rolling road," then measured their emissions in real-world use with a variety of speeds, road types, and demands on a road trip from San Diego to Seattle.

We had no cause for suspicion, John German, the ICCT's U.S. co-lead, told Bloomberg. We thought the vehicles would be clean.

The U.S. models too proved to have on-road emissions far higher than the maximum legal limits, so high that German termed the results "shocking."

On the open road, a Volkswagen Jetta TDI blew through the U.S. nitrogen oxide (NOx) emissions limit by 15 to 35 times. A VW Passat TDI (with urea aftertreatment) was 5 to 20 times the maximum.

A BMW X5 xDrive 35d diesel crossover equipped with urea aftertreatment and tested at the same time, however, met the emission limits under all circumstances.

The U.S. EPA and CARB opened a joint investigation into the cars in May 2014, but it was not publicized.

Last December, VW recalled nearly half a million cars for a software patch to fix the problem--but CARB found it didn't enable the cars to meet the regulations. Matters came to a head on July 8, when CARB informed the EPA and VW of its findings.

This month, the EPA refused to certify VW's 2016 TDI models for sale, based on its real-world testing of the vehicle's emissions--which exceeded the legal limits, even though its lab tests didn't.

That's when Volkswagen admitted that it had installed the "defeat" software. The EPA went public within a few weeks.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/In-Gear/2015/0922/VW-diesel-emissions-recall-widens-10-things-you-need-to-know

Interesting that EPA knew about it in May of 2014, but didn't say anything about it.

May Roger Goodell should be running the EPA.

True. Then he would have fined them 9 Trillion dollars..... and they wouldn't have had to pay a cent of it in the end.

 

[MikeIke]

I bet if you were able to follow the trail all the way to the top, there would be a Landry involved. Damn Landry's...

 

[Dark Matter]

2012 Jetta Sportwagon TDI owner and until yesterday, it was my favorite car I ever owned. Great fuel mileage, nimble little minx and roomy. This is like finding out your girlfriend has a ####.

What changed?

Apparently he found out it was a stick.

Filled out the Class Action Lawsuit represented by Hagens Berman: http://www.hbsslaw.com/cases-and-investigations/cases/Volkswagen-Emissions

Will update in 10 years when the dust settles

 

[BowieMercs]

Winterkorn resigned. This is just the beginning.

 

[Abraham]

I would never buy a Fuhrer Mobile.

That company was forged in the fires of concentration camp ovens. Sickening.

Then don't buy any Siemens products.

Not to mention Braun electric razors.

Don't forget IBM.

And Facebook

 

[Johnny Rock]

Good time to apply there for employment? Seems like they could use some ethical execs.

 

[FattyVM]

Anyone else have the feeling that VW isn't the only company with these types of practices?

Not really. I'm surprised anyone had the gall to do what they did. I'd be even more surprised if more companies did it as well.

I'm in the camp that these thing happen a bit with major corporations.

Just this week peanut corp CEO knowingly ships salmonella tainted peanuts which led to the deaths of 9 Americans sentenced to 28 years.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/22/us-usa-georgia-salmonella-idUSKCN0RL24H20150922

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/09/mercedes-honda-mazda-mitsubishi-diesel-emissions-row?CMP=twt_gu

Ruh roh!

 

[lumpy19]

Anyone else have the feeling that VW isn't the only company with these types of practices?

Not really. I'm surprised anyone had the gall to do what they did. I'd be even more surprised if more companies did it as well.

I'm in the camp that these thing happen a bit with major corporations.

Just this week peanut corp CEO knowingly ships salmonella tainted peanuts which led to the deaths of 9 Americans sentenced to 28 years.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/22/us-usa-georgia-salmonella-idUSKCN0RL24H20150922

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/09/mercedes-honda-mazda-mitsubishi-diesel-emissions-row?CMP=twt_gu

Ruh roh!

No Ruh roh! there except for the person that designed the test. Test should mimic on road conditions and it obviously doesn't.

 

[igbomb]

Anyone else have the feeling that VW isn't the only company with these types of practices?

Not really. I'm surprised anyone had the gall to do what they did. I'd be even more surprised if more companies did it as well.

I'm in the camp that these thing happen a bit with major corporations.

Just this week peanut corp CEO knowingly ships salmonella tainted peanuts which led to the deaths of 9 Americans sentenced to 28 years.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/22/us-usa-georgia-salmonella-idUSKCN0RL24H20150922

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/09/mercedes-honda-mazda-mitsubishi-diesel-emissions-row?CMP=twt_gu

Ruh roh!

Totally different (no I don't work for any of those companies). By all indications, these manufacturers are passing the tests and putting those same cars on the road. The issue is that the tests don't come close to representing actual driving conditions.

Car companies are asked to meet specific emissions on a very specific test. And it is very expensive to do so. Believe it or not, the consumer is not inclined to want to pay the extra cost that these emissions regulations drive into the car, making it less than ideal to over-emissionize your vehicle. So car companies optimize to the test. And then in the real world the car performs worse because it's not a representative test.

As long as the cost of the emissions and fuel regulations is foisted on the car companies and they are expected to find a way to sell technology a customer doesn't want and still make their investors happy, companies will do the bare minimum. And it looks like in VW's case, even less than that.

 

[FattyVM]

Anyone else have the feeling that VW isn't the only company with these types of practices?

Not really. I'm surprised anyone had the gall to do what they did. I'd be even more surprised if more companies did it as well.

I'm in the camp that these thing happen a bit with major corporations.

Just this week peanut corp CEO knowingly ships salmonella tainted peanuts which led to the deaths of 9 Americans sentenced to 28 years.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/22/us-usa-georgia-salmonella-idUSKCN0RL24H20150922

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/09/mercedes-honda-mazda-mitsubishi-diesel-emissions-row?CMP=twt_gu

Ruh roh!

No Ruh roh! there except for the person that designed the test. Test should mimic on road conditions and it obviously doesn't.

It really does boggle my mind that they don't. We've all knew for years that you're never getting the exact performance as advertised, but some of this is far beyond acceptable. Even if upgrading from a two to four wheel dyno could catch half of these garbage performance claims, we'd be moving in the right direction again.

 

[BowieMercs]

Clearly the cost benefit ratio of meeting the diesel standard is too high. VW is fixing this with a time honored approach:

1) Blame the engineers and take no responsibility

2) Withdraw diesels from US market

 

[Foosball God]

Clearly the cost benefit ratio of meeting the diesel standard is too high. VW is fixing this with a time honored approach:

1) Blame the engineers and take no responsibility

2) Withdraw diesels from US market

Which will be a huge blow for them here. Diesels are the only market in the U.S. where VW dominates.

 

[gianmarco]

For anyone that has a VW that qualifies:  Looks like you'll be getting some money back.

https://www.vwcourtsettlement.com/en/

Check to see if you qualify.  Settlement should be approved in a couple weeks so it'd be helpful to sign up for updates if you have a vehicle that qualifies.

 

[godgers12]

My buddy has a Jetta that qualifies, the dealership he bought it from gave him some 500.00 cash gift card and maintenance for a period of time. I told him to hold out and he didn't I assume him taking that gift card disqualifies him from a buy back now?

 

[gianmarco]

My buddy has a Jetta that qualifies, the dealership he bought it from gave him some 500.00 cash gift card and maintenance for a period of time. I told him to hold out and he didn't I assume him taking that gift card disqualifies him from a buy back now?

It does not disqualify him.  I received the same $500 gift card.  That was on VW as an initial response.  This settlement is much bigger and every owner with a vehicle qualifies. 

 

[godgers12]

It does not disqualify him.  I received the same $500 gift card.  That was on VW as an initial response.  This settlement is much bigger and every owner with a vehicle qualifies. 

Thanks for the info!

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Here's a potential opportunity for value shoppers who likes these TDI engines (like me):

"Brand New" 2015 Volkswagens equipped with 2.0-liter diesel engines are slowly trickling back onto dealer lots - after having met government requirements to modify and fix the engines.

CarsDirect has confirmed there are large hidden incentives available on the 2015 2.0-liter diesel Beetle Coupe/Convertible, Golf, Golf SportWagen, Jetta and Passat:

• $5,000 plus 0% financing for up to 72 months when purchased
  
• $8,500 plus 0% interest rate when leased for 24 months
  

These hidden deals are not being advertised, but are available until May 31st.

 

[Wrigley]

Here's a potential opportunity for value shoppers who likes these TDI engines (like me):

2015?

 

[culdeus]

2 years is a long time for a car to sit around

 

[kevzilla]

They haven't been sitting; my dad just turned in his Golf last month. He got two $500 gift cards up front, and last month he got $1000 cash and a brand-new gasoline model.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

2015?

Yes. As I understand it, these are the cars they didn't sell. I believe they've been waiting on approval of a "fix", which has now been implemented so they can now be sold as "new."

Its hard getting a straight answer from a dealer, but an $8,500 incentive on a 0% lease seems pretty good.

 

[Johnny Rock]

I didn't check the numbers but seems like it would've depreciated more than the incentive already, even if "new." Plus old tech. 

 

[CletiusMaximus]

VW exec in charge of compliance gets 7 years.  I didn't expect it to be that steep, but seems well-deserved.  He lied directly to US regulators regarding the emissions software.

From reports, it seems likely he's the only one who will get jail time.  The company will pay billions when all is said and done.

 

[simsarge]

Didn't whoever was involved know that eventually these cars have failed emissions testing in droves?