Looks like VW is totally screwed (1 Viewer)

[St. Louis Bob]

Glad I did't get my joke in. Although funny I probably would have been IP banned.

 

[Johnny Rock]

The North Carolina Tar Heels of automobile brands.

 

[Ned]

Good summary here.

According to this, dealerships can't sell the 2015 models they currently have in stock and the EPA won't give them the stamp of approval for 2016 models either.Those dealerships are gonna be screwed. Kinda like when BP stations were being boycotted during the spill it will hurt the local business owners.

It's just the TDI. And the 2015 versions have the systems they need already.

It's the used market that will be reeling from this.

I think it's just the 4cyl TDI's, FWIW.

 

[eoMMan]

Good summary here.

According to this, dealerships can't sell the 2015 models they currently have in stock and the EPA won't give them the stamp of approval for 2016 models either.Those dealerships are gonna be screwed. Kinda like when BP stations were being boycotted during the spill it will hurt the local business owners.

It's just the TDI. And the 2015 versions have the systems they need already.

It's the used market that will be reeling from this.

I think it's just the 4cyl TDI's, FWIW.

Are we sure they're not really 3cyl?

 

[Johnny Rock]

Surely shareholder lawsuits too. What a boondoggle.

 

[The Z Machine]

I'm a product development professional, and I'd love to know the history of this "feature" and the decisions taken (more importantly when, and by whom) to implement this across the board. I hope there are some books written on the topic someday.

 

[Dickies]

I know some folks that work in Virginia at their US HQ - They are all ####ting major bricks right now. This thing is going to be very ugly.

That's the real shame in all this. I'm sure a lot of folks that had nothing to do with this are going to be hurt.

Hope your friends make it out OK.

And the people directly responsible will be unscathed

 

[Chadstroma]

Everyone involved should be fired, for a start. I don't think they will be stuck for the full fine; they still have to recall and fix these vehicles. And I don't think "OMG, I unknowingly polluted" is much of a basis for a class-action suit.

I am sure lawyers will be scrambling to find a way to monetize this for themsel..... er, the class they are protecting.

 

[Chadstroma]

What penalties could VW face?

We’re talking about a maximum possible fine of $37,500 per vehicle

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn

 

[grateful zed]

Everyone involved should be fired

they could work for robert kraft

 

[comfortably numb]

I had an Audi that had brake issues for 30 months.

Can I tie this into this issue and sue someone?

 

[grateful zed]

Glad I did't get my joke in. Although funny I probably would have been IP banned.

pm please

 

[Todd Andrews]

I would never buy a Fuhrer Mobile.

That company was forged in the fires of concentration camp ovens. Sickening.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Volkswagen owns a couple of other brands don't they?

"Volkswagen Group sells passenger cars under the Bugatti, Lamborghini, Porsche, marques

I don't know why but this kind of bothers me.

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

I would never buy a Fuhrer Mobile.

That company was forged in the fires of concentration camp ovens. Sickening.

Then don't buy any Siemens products.

 

[kevzilla]

I would never buy a Fuhrer Mobile.

That company was forged in the fires of concentration camp ovens. Sickening.

Then don't buy any Siemens products.

Not to mention Braun electric razors.

 

[McGarnicle]

I would never buy a Fuhrer Mobile.

That company was forged in the fires of concentration camp ovens. Sickening.

Then don't buy any Siemens products.

Not to mention Braun electric razors.

And Mein Fuhrer espresso machines.

 

[17seconds]

2011 Jetta TDI owner here and I'm pissed that there will be a recall which will probably reduce my mpg. I drive 25K/mi a year on it and I bought it for the gas mileage. 5mpg drop would cost me a few hundred $ a year.

Plus, I'm stuck with it long term or will have to unload it for cheap.

There's got to be an owner class action.

 

[The General]

Didn't really have time to digest that article, but oh man VW is screwed so bad.

Firms must be knocking themselves out to sign up people for this massive class action suit that is coming. It's The Rainmaker.

Cars resale value effected, environmental issues, fraud...

 

[eoMMan]

So their emission data was Very Wrong!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?

:roarin:

 

[kOOk]

2011 Jetta TDI owner here and I'm pissed that there will be a recall which will probably reduce my mpg. I drive 25K/mi a year on it and I bought it for the gas mileage. 5mpg drop would cost me a few hundred $ a year.

Plus, I'm stuck with it long term or will have to unload it for cheap.

There's got to be an owner class action.

Sell it this week and get your $.50 a day back in another car. It's not the end of the world.

 

[Polish Hammer]

2011 Jetta TDI owner here and I'm pissed that there will be a recall which will probably reduce my mpg. I drive 25K/mi a year on it and I bought it for the gas mileage. 5mpg drop would cost me a few hundred $ a year.

Plus, I'm stuck with it long term or will have to unload it for cheap.

There's got to be an owner class action.

Sell it this week and get your $.50 a day back in another car. It's not the end of the world.

Or just don't do the recall and let someone else worry about the pollutants. Amirite?

 

[Johnny Rock]

2011 Jetta TDI owner here and I'm pissed that there will be a recall which will probably reduce my mpg. I drive 25K/mi a year on it and I bought it for the gas mileage. 5mpg drop would cost me a few hundred $ a year.

Plus, I'm stuck with it long term or will have to unload it for cheap.

There's got to be an owner class action.

Sell it this week and get your $.50 a day back in another car. It's not the end of the world.

Or just don't do the recall and let someone else worry about the pollutants. Amirite?

Or hang on until the Class Action Settlement and Appeals process plays out and put your $5.00 check eight years from now towards a down payment on a new car.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

You guys are acting like VW was founded by a bunch of Nazis or something.

Damn it, came here to make a Nazi joke. <_<

Go out like a Nazi,

You'll be wishin ya ####in ### had stayed home and played Yahtzee

or watchin Happy Days, sweatin Potsie

With Ralph and Ritchie Cunningham, Joanie and Chachi.

Also, I'm going to use this hit to their reputations to pick up a few Bentley Continentals at fire-sale prices

 

[Rohn Jambo]

So their emission data was Very Wrong!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?

:roarin:

 

[Rohn Jambo]

2011 Jetta TDI owner here and I'm pissed that there will be a recall which will probably reduce my mpg. I drive 25K/mi a year on it and I bought it for the gas mileage. 5mpg drop would cost me a few hundred $ a year.

Plus, I'm stuck with it long term or will have to unload it for cheap.

There's got to be an owner class action.

I think you should demand a free upgrade to a Mercedes.

 

[chauncey]

The North Carolina Tar Heels of automobile brands.

Liberal Carolina grads do love to drive VW diesels.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

So their emission data was Very Wrong!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?

:roarin:

Kinda bummed it wasn't actually a Roarin joke.

 

[cosjobs]

You guys are acting like VW was founded by a bunch of Nazis or something.

Damn it, came here to make a Nazi joke. <_<

Go out like a Nazi,

You'll be wishin ya ####in ### had stayed home and played Yahtzee

or watchin Happy Days, sweatin Potsie

With Ralph and Ritchie Cunningham, Joanie and Chachi.

Also, I'm going to use this hit to their reputations to pick up a few Bentley Continentals at fire-sale prices

I thought Bentley's were party buses.

 

[jhib]

Bill Belichick almost certainly had something to do with this.

Who was a big member of the Patriots while those cars were being built and was then conveniently let go?

Vince Wilfork

Coincidence?

 

[igbomb]

This just keeps getting worse.

VW admits the "defeat device" is on 11M engines around the world. It's not clear how many of those are breaking emissions regulations (only 500K are in the US) but other regions/countries are launching investigations.

They have also set aside $7.2B, to be taken as a loss in the next quarter, for potential fines.

Stock price went down 20% yesterday ($18B value). Currently down another 16% today.

CEO has already been replaced.

 

[SacramentoBob]

I never buy European cars anyway. They are generally ####.

 

[Foosball God]

Doesn't Foosball God work for VW?

No. Mrs. Foos used to work for them.

 

[Foosball God]

Volkswagen owns a couple of other brands don't they?

"Volkswagen Group sells passenger cars under the Bugatti, Lamborghini, Porsche, marques

I don't know why but this kind of bothers me.

Porsche and VW have been in bed together for years.

 

[tri-man 47]

How on earth does VW consider this and not conclude that the downside risk is too extraordinarily bad to proceed? Just unbelievable.

 

[culdeus]

Automakers have long been accused of cheating on EPA tests by turning in "hand tuned" cars for testing. Fraud is thought to be rampant especially in the large trailer (18wheeler) segment. To go to this level on ALL passenger cars is just amazing.

With hindsight it's easy to see. They didn't have the pee system installed and met the standard anyways. Nobody bothered to connect the dots here?

 

[BowieMercs]

Doesn't Foosball God work for VW?

No. Mrs. Foos used to work for them.

Didnt realize Mrs Foos left VW. Would have figured you'd scamper back to the midwest once her time was served here

 

[Foosball God]

Doesn't Foosball God work for VW?

No. Mrs. Foos used to work for them.

Didnt realize Mrs Foos left VW. Would have figured you'd scamper back to the midwest once her time was served here

Yeah, she hasn't worked for them for over 3 years now. We considered moving back, but by that time we were pretty well rooted here and I had a good job.

 

[BowieMercs]

In Northern VA, emissions are tested at idle thru the ODBII port. Pretty sure all makes of cars tune their cars to pass at idle. German engineers just to it to the next level & pass only when being tested. Sorta like going the speed limit when there are speed cameras or police around.

Only difference is... they got caught.

 

[igbomb]

Automakers have long been accused of cheating on EPA tests by turning in "hand tuned" cars for testing. Fraud is thought to be rampant especially in the large trailer (18wheeler) segment. To go to this level on ALL passenger cars is just amazing.

With hindsight it's easy to see. They didn't have the pee system installed and met the standard anyways. Nobody bothered to connect the dots here?

You can avoid the urea system if you trade off performance or fuel enough. There was always a bit of wonder about how they were able to get the fuel they did while meeting emissions but it was just attributed to engineering. Looks like they weren't quite as innovative as the industry gave them credit for.

 

[FattyVM]

Anyone else have the feeling that VW isn't the only company with these types of practices?

 

[Ned]

How on earth does VW consider this and not conclude that the downside risk is too extraordinarily bad to proceed? Just unbelievable.

That's what is so fascinating to me. I just can't wrap my head around the bravado needed to think you'd never get caught with this.

 

[Nugget]

Anyone else have the feeling that VW isn't the only company with these types of practices?

 

[igbomb]

Anyone else have the feeling that VW isn't the only company with these types of practices?

Not really. I'm surprised anyone had the gall to do what they did. I'd be even more surprised if more companies did it as well.

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

So, does this mean I can get a 2013 TDI on the cheap?

 

[BowieMercs]

Pretty sure VW will get sued by Apple too... Apple's lawyers are looking at their vault of patents for that "dynamic diagnostic defeat algorithm to increase performance" filing.

 

[Dark Matter]

2012 Jetta Sportwagon TDI owner and until yesterday, it was my favorite car I ever owned. Great fuel mileage, nimble little minx and roomy. This is like finding out your girlfriend has a ####.

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

2012 Jetta Sportwagon TDI owner and until yesterday, it was my favorite car I ever owned. Great fuel mileage, nimble little minx and roomy. This is like finding out your girlfriend has a ####.

So your car and your girlfriend and both German.

 

[Johnny Rock]

2012 Jetta Sportwagon TDI owner and until yesterday, it was my favorite car I ever owned. Great fuel mileage, nimble little minx and roomy. This is like finding out your girlfriend has a ####.

What changed?

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

2012 Jetta Sportwagon TDI owner and until yesterday, it was my favorite car I ever owned. Great fuel mileage, nimble little minx and roomy. This is like finding out your girlfriend has a ####.

What changed?

Apparently he found out it was a stick.