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Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (3 Viewers)

Apparently they also dressed up a roast pig as a cop and stuck the head outside the police station.

Whatever... if they want to make their little town a ####hole that's their prerogative. If I had a family or business there I would be looking for a way out. The only cops that are going to stick around are the ones who are forced to. It will be a perpetual powder keg.

 
It's time to retire the blm movement. It's run its course.

@St. Louis County chief says suspect approached officers in unmarked car, opened fire. Officers returned fire, pursued on foot #Ferguson
Check out the headline here. Pushing an agenda?https://twitter.com/politico/status/630735356103667712
I'm going to pile on a bit. Here is how the article starts. "After a day of otherwise peaceful protesting in Ferguson, Missouri, and neighboring communities marking the one-year anniversary of the killing of Michael Brown, a black 18-year-old man was shot by plainclothes St. Louis County detectives late Sunday"

So it was "an otherwise peaceful protest" which consisted of throwing rocks and bottles at police, placing a pigs head in front of the police station and capped off (no pun) by a guy shooting at police. Holy ####, what would a non-peaceful protest have looked like?

They still try to sympathize with Michael Brown being shot, and between the headline and first sentence, are attempting to make this person who shot at the police seem like a victim.

People are dumb

 
avoiding injuries said:
It's time to retire the blm movement. It's run its course.

@St. Louis County chief says suspect approached officers in unmarked car, opened fire. Officers returned fire, pursued on foot #Ferguson
Check out the headline here. Pushing an agenda?https://twitter.com/politico/status/630735356103667712
I'm going to pile on a bit. Here is how the article starts."After a day of otherwise peaceful protesting in Ferguson, Missouri, and neighboring communities marking the one-year anniversary of the killing of Michael Brown, a black 18-year-old man was shot by plainclothes St. Louis County detectives late Sunday"

So it was "an otherwise peaceful protest" which consisted of throwing rocks and bottles at police, placing a pigs head in front of the police station and capped off (no pun) by a guy shooting at police. Holy ####, what would a non-peaceful protest have looked like?

They still try to sympathize with Michael Brown being shot, and between the headline and first sentence, are attempting to make this person who shot at the police seem like a victim.

People are dumb
It takes a lot of effort to be a victim.

 
avoiding injuries said:
It's time to retire the blm movement. It's run its course.

@St. Louis County chief says suspect approached officers in unmarked car, opened fire. Officers returned fire, pursued on foot #Ferguson
Check out the headline here. Pushing an agenda?https://twitter.com/politico/status/630735356103667712
I'm going to pile on a bit. Here is how the article starts."After a day of otherwise peaceful protesting in Ferguson, Missouri, and neighboring communities marking the one-year anniversary of the killing of Michael Brown, a black 18-year-old man was shot by plainclothes St. Louis County detectives late Sunday"

So it was "an otherwise peaceful protest" which consisted of throwing rocks and bottles at police, placing a pigs head in front of the police station and capped off (no pun) by a guy shooting at police. Holy ####, what would a non-peaceful protest have looked like?

They still try to sympathize with Michael Brown being shot, and between the headline and first sentence, are attempting to make this person who shot at the police seem like a victim.

People are dumb
Other than that, how did you like the play Mrs. Lincoln?

 
Has it been confirmed by anyone - besides the cops, of course - that the one who was shot actually shot at the cops?
Who's confirmation are you looking for, that you would believe?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/08/10/ferguson--edge-after-shooting/31411763/
Someone not associated with the cops.

The Alderman (French) seems to think a kid was using a gun. I'd like for someone to investigate it and not just take the cops word for it. Isn't that what reporters are supposed to do?

 
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I'd also like to know more about this:

Jon Swaine @jonswaine

Should be noted peaceful protesters at fed courthouse in downtown St Louis are being arrested by officers from the Dept of Homeland Security.

Jon Swaine @jonswaine

Demonstrators being arrested outside federal courthouse in St Louis

Jon Swaine @jonswaine

Was just pushed back by cops, threatened with arrest by Chief Sam Dotson of STL metro PD if I refused to stop reporting on public property
Yamiche Alcindor @Yamiche

Cop arresting @CornelWest smiling and taking pictures as a fellow cop poses for a photo with West in handcuffs.

Jon Swaine @jonswaine

Have seen Cornel West, @deray, Rev Sekou, Rev Renita Lamkin and loads more arrested at federal courthouse in STL

 
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I still believe, one year later, that Michael Brown was wrongfully killed by a police officer.
At least take the time to bait the hook, geez.
No, there's no hook, no bait, nothing. It's all been discussed here before.I just think that this was a case of injustice. And that there is a certain moral right on the protestors' side.
Stinky bait indeed. No injustice. Brown was a robber and then fought with police. It's too bad that he chose that course, but when you do it may end badly and in this case it did. No martyr. No injustice. People are idiots for making him some kind of rallying-point.

 
I still believe, one year later, that Michael Brown was wrongfully killed by a police officer.
At least take the time to bait the hook, geez.
. It's all been discussed here before.
837 times by you alone.Actually every 14th post in this thread is yours so I apologize. You having waited 27 posts to reiterate yourself is actually remarkable restraint, isn't it?
:lmao:

 
I still believe, one year later, that Michael Brown was wrongfully killed by a police officer.
At least take the time to bait the hook, geez.
. It's all been discussed here before.
837 times by you alone.

Actually every 14th post in this thread is yours so I apologize. You having waited 27 posts to reiterate yourself is actually remarkable restraint, isn't it?
:D

 
I still believe, one year later, that Michael Brown was wrongfully killed by a police officer.
At least take the time to bait the hook, geez.
No, there's no hook, no bait, nothing. It's all been discussed here before.I just think that this was a case of injustice. And that there is a certain moral right on the protestors' side.
Stinky bait indeed. No injustice. Brown was a robber and then fought with police. It's too bad that he chose that course, but when you do it may end badly and in this case it did. No martyr. No injustice. People are idiots for making him some kind of rallying-point.
I do feel bad that his mother lost a son, but I heard her interviewed yesterday and she said she still can't understand how you go to the store and never make it home. It didn't make any sense to her. It's as if nobody has explained to her that it has to do with what you do to and from the store as well as while you're there.
 
Apparently they also dressed up a roast pig as a cop and stuck the head outside the police station.

Whatever... if they want to make their little town a ####hole that's their prerogative. If I had a family or business there I would be looking for a way out. The only cops that are going to stick around are the ones who are forced to. It will be a perpetual powder keg.
Clearly some of them are ready for war so nothing at this point surprises me.

 
Apparently they also dressed up a roast pig as a cop and stuck the head outside the police station.Whatever... if they want to make their little town a ####hole that's their prerogative. If I had a family or business there I would be looking for a way out. The only cops that are going to stick around are the ones who are forced to. It will be a perpetual powder keg.
Clearly some of them are ready for war so nothing at this point surprises me.
Their cowardliness would make the Iraqii soilders who surrendered in Desert Storm seem like Custer's men at Little Bighorn.
 
I still believe, one year later, that Michael Brown was wrongfully killed by a police officer.
At least take the time to bait the hook, geez.
No, there's no hook, no bait, nothing. It's all been discussed here before.I just think that this was a case of injustice. And that there is a certain moral right on the protestors' side.
Stinky bait indeed. No injustice. Brown was a robber and then fought with police. It's too bad that he chose that course, but when you do it may end badly and in this case it did. No martyr. No injustice. People are idiots for making him some kind of rallying-point.
yeah, I really don't get why Michael Brown is the person everyone is standing behind. Tamir Rice would be a far better person to use as their rallying point. Wasn't doing anything wrong, and pretty clear evidence that the cops acted wrongly.

 
I still believe, one year later, that Michael Brown was wrongfully killed by a police officer.
Evidence or rationale for that claim? The only victim here is Officer Wilson, whose life was ruined by this. He was cleared of any wrongdoing by local, state, and federal investigations. Here is the summary from the DOJ inquiry by the Obama Administration:

The encounter between Wilson and Brown took place over an approximately two-minute period of time at about noon on August 9, 2014. Wilson was on duty and driving his department-issued Chevy Tahoe SUV westbound on Canfield Drive in Ferguson, Missouri when he saw Brown and his friend, Witness 101,2 walking eastbound in the middle of the street. Brown and Witness 101 had just come from Ferguson Market and Liquor (Ferguson Market), a nearby convenience store, where, at approximately 11:53 a.m., Brown stole several packages of cigarillos. As captured on the stores surveillance video, when the store clerk tried to stop Brown, Brown used his physical size to stand over him and forcefully shove him away. As a result, an FPD dispatch call went out over the police radio for a stealing in progress. The dispatch recordings and Wilsons radio transmissions establish that Wilson was aware of the theft and had a description of the suspects as he encountered Brown and Witness 101.

As Wilson drove toward Brown and Witness 101, he told the two men to walk on the sidewalk. According to Wilsons statement to prosecutors and investigators, he suspected that Brown and Witness 101 were involved in the incident at Ferguson Market based on the descriptions he heard on the radio and the cigarillos in Browns hands. Wilson then called for backup, stating, Put me on Canfield with two and send me another car. Wilson backed up his SUV and parked at an angle, blocking most of both lanes of traffic, and stopping Brown and Witness 101 from walking any further. Wilson attempted to open the drivers door of the SUV to exit his vehicle, but as he swung it open, the door came into contact with Browns body and either rebounded closed or Brown pushed it closed.

Wilson and other witnesses stated that Brown then reached into the SUV through the open drivers window and punched and grabbed Wilson. This is corroborated by bruising on Wilsons jaw and scratches on his neck, the presence of Browns DNA on Wilsons collar, shirt, and pants, and Wilsons DNA on Browns palm. While there are other individuals who stated that Wilson reached out of the SUV and grabbed Brown by the neck, prosecutors could not credit their accounts because they were inconsistent with physical and forensic evidence, as detailed throughout this report.

Wilson told prosecutors and investigators that he responded to Brown reaching into the SUV and punching him by withdrawing his gun because he could not access less lethal weapons while seated inside the SUV. Brown then grabbed the weapon and struggled with Wilson to gain control of it. Wilson fired, striking Brown in the hand. Autopsy results and bullet trajectory, skin from Browns palm on the outside of the SUV door as well as Browns DNA on the inside of the drivers door corroborate Wilsons account that during the struggle, Brown used his right hand to grab and attempt to control Wilsons gun. According to three autopsies, Brown sustained a close range gunshot wound to the fleshy portion of his right hand at the base of his right thumb. Soot from the muzzle of the gun found embedded in the tissue of this wound coupled with indicia of thermal change from the heat of the muzzle indicate that Browns hand was within inches of the muzzle of Wilsons gun when it was fired. The location of the recovered bullet in the side panel of the drivers door, just above Wilsons lap, also corroborates Wilsons account of the struggle over the gun and when the gun was fired, as do witness accounts that Wilson fired at least one shot from inside the SUV.

Although no eyewitnesses directly corroborate Wilsons account of Browns attempt to gain control of the gun, there is no credible evidence to disprove Wilsons account of what occurred inside the SUV. Some witnesses claim that Browns arms were never inside the SUV. However, as discussed later in this report, those witness accounts could not be relied upon in a prosecution because credible witness accounts and physical and forensic evidence, i.e. Browns DNA inside the SUV and on Wilsons shirt collar and the bullet trajectory and close-range gunshot wound to Browns hand, establish that Browns arms and/or torso were inside the SUV.

After the initial shooting inside the SUV, the evidence establishes that Brown ran eastbound on Canfield Drive and Wilson chased after him. The autopsy results confirm that Wilson did not shoot Brown in the back as he was running away because there were no entrance wounds to Browns back. The autopsy results alone do not indicate the direction Brown was facing when he received two wounds to his right arm, given the mobility of the arm. However, as detailed later in this report, there are no witness accounts that could be relied upon in a prosecution to prove that Wilson shot at Brown as he was running away. Witnesses who say so cannot be relied upon in a prosecution because they have given accounts that are inconsistent with the physical and forensic evidence or are significantly inconsistent with their own prior statements made throughout the investigation.

Brown ran at least 180 feet away from the SUV, as verified by the location of bloodstains on the roadway, which DNA analysis confirms was Browns blood. Brown then turned around and came back toward Wilson, falling to his death approximately 21.6 feet west of the blood in the roadway. Those witness accounts stating that Brown never moved back toward Wilson could not be relied upon in a prosecution because their accounts cannot be reconciled with the DNA bloodstain evidence and other credible witness accounts.

As detailed throughout this report, several witnesses stated that Brown appeared to pose a physical threat to Wilson as he moved toward Wilson. According to these witnesses, who are corroborated by blood evidence in the roadway, as Brown continued to move toward Wilson, Wilson fired at Brown in what appeared to be self-defense and stopped firing once Brown fell to the ground. Wilson stated that he feared Brown would again assault him because of Browns conduct at the SUV and because as Brown moved toward him, Wilson saw Brown reach his right hand under his t-shirt into what appeared to be his waistband. There is no evidence upon which prosecutors can rely to disprove Wilsons stated subjective belief that he feared for his safety.

Ballistics analysis indicates that Wilson fired a total of 12 shots, two from the SUV and ten on the roadway. Witness accounts and an audio recording indicate that when Wilson and Brown were on the roadway, Wilson fired three gunshot volleys, pausing in between each one. According to the autopsy results, Wilson shot and hit Brown as few as six or as many as eight times, including the gunshot to Browns hand. Brown fell to the ground dead as a result of a gunshot to the apex of his head. With the exception of the first shot to Browns hand, all of the shots that struck Brown were fired from a distance of more than two feet. As documented by crime scene photographs, Brown fell to the ground with his left, uninjured hand balled up by his waistband, and his right, injured hand palm up by his side. Witness accounts and cellular phone video prove that Wilson did not touch Browns body after he fired the final shot and Brown fell to the ground.

Although there are several individuals who have stated that Brown held his hands up in an unambiguous sign of surrender prior to Wilson shooting him dead, their accounts do not support a prosecution of Wilson. As detailed throughout this report, some of those accounts are inaccurate because they are inconsistent with the physical and forensic evidence; some of those accounts are materially inconsistent with that witnesss own prior statements with no explanation, credible for otherwise, as to why those accounts changed over time. Certain other witnesses who originally stated Brown had his hands up in surrender recanted their original accounts, admitting that they did not witness the shooting or parts of it, despite what they initially reported either to federal or local law enforcement or to the media. Prosecutors did not rely on those accounts when making a prosecutive decision.

While credible witnesses gave varying accounts of exactly what Brown was doing with his hands as he moved toward Wilson i.e., balling them, holding them out, or pulling up his pants up and varying accounts of how he was moving i.e., charging, moving in slow motion, or running they all establish that Brown was moving toward Wilson when Wilson shot him. Although some witnesses state that Brown held his hands up at shoulder level with his palms facing outward for a brief moment, these same witnesses describe Brown then dropping his hands and charging at Wilson.
 
NY Times article summarizing the findings of the federal investigation - http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/03/05/us/darren-wilson-is-cleared-of-rights-violations-in-ferguson-shooting.html?referrer=

Among the witnesses who told investigators that they had been nervous about corroborating Mr. Wilsons account was a 31-year-old black woman who had been standing on her brothers balcony at the time of the shooting. Her initial account to investigators, in which she said that she saw Mr. Wilson fire shots into Mr. Browns back as he lay dead on the street, was inconsistent with the autopsy findings.

When federal investigators challenged her, she admitted lying, explained to the F.B.I. that youve gotta live the life to know it, and said she had been afraid to contradict stories that Mr. Brown had been trying to surrender.

She then admitted that she saw Mr. Brown running toward Mr. Wilson, prompting the police officer to yell freeze, the report stated. It added that the woman said that it appeared to her that Wilsons life was in danger. But when local authorities later tried to serve this witness a subpoena to appear before the grand jury, the report said, she blockaded her door with a couch.
 
Has it been confirmed by anyone - besides the cops, of course - that the one who was shot actually shot at the cops?
Who's confirmation are you looking for, that you would believe?http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/08/10/ferguson--edge-after-shooting/31411763/
Someone not associated with the cops.

The Alderman (French) seems to think a kid was using a gun. I'd like for someone to investigate it and not just take the cops word for it. Isn't that what reporters are supposed to do?
French had a pretty rough night-@AntonioFrench: Tonight I let 4 guys run into the #HealSTL office to get away from the gunfire. While I was in the front, they stole laptops and iPads. SMH.

https://twitter.com/antoniofrench/status/630655432110014464

 
Has it been confirmed by anyone - besides the cops, of course - that the one who was shot actually shot at the cops?
Who's confirmation are you looking for, that you would believe?http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/08/10/ferguson--edge-after-shooting/31411763/
Someone not associated with the cops.

The Alderman (French) seems to think a kid was using a gun. I'd like for someone to investigate it and not just take the cops word for it. Isn't that what reporters are supposed to do?
French had a pretty rough night-@AntonioFrench: Tonight I let 4 guys run into the #HealSTL office to get away from the gunfire. While I was in the front, they stole laptops and iPads. SMH.

https://twitter.com/antoniofrench/status/630655432110014464
Animals will be animals.

 
Stinky bait indeed. No injustice. Brown was a robber and then fought with police. It's too bad that he chose that course, but when you do it may end badly and in this case it did. No martyr. No injustice. People are idiots for making him some kind of rallying-point.
There was a flyer hanging in the breakroom at my work last week. The flyer was for a Ferguson commemoration/anti-police brutality protest this past Saturday. The flyer spoke of both the police murders of Mike Brown and Sandra Bland. The flyer contained a large photo of Mike Brown and the title across the top of the flyer in big, bold letters was "HONOR MIKE BROWN!"

When I came back into the breakroom later that day, the flyer was conspicuously missing from where it was previously hanging. I looked in the waste barrel and, sure enough, there it was partially crumpled up. Somebody obviously wasn't a fan of the "Honor Mike Brown" message.

 
The Alderman (French) seems to think a kid was using a gun. I'd like for someone to investigate it and not just take the cops word for it. Isn't that what reporters are supposed to do?
French had a pretty rough night-@AntonioFrench: Tonight I let 4 guys run into the #HealSTL office to get away from the gunfire. While I was in the front, they stole laptops and iPads. SMH.

https://twitter.com/antoniofrench/status/630655432110014464
:lol:

least surprising thing ever.

 
Stinky bait indeed. No injustice. Brown was a robber and then fought with police. It's too bad that he chose that course, but when you do it may end badly and in this case it did. No martyr. No injustice. People are idiots for making him some kind of rallying-point.
There was a flyer hanging in the breakroom at my work last week. The flyer was for a Ferguson commemoration/anti-police brutality protest this past Saturday. The flyer spoke of both the police murders of Mike Brown and Sandra Bland. The flyer contained a large photo of Mike Brown and the title across the top of the flyer in big, bold letters was "HONOR MIKE BROWN!"

When I came back into the breakroom later that day, the flyer was conspicuously missing from where it was previously hanging. I looked in the waste barrel and, sure enough, there it was partially crumpled up. Somebody obviously wasn't a fan of the "Honor Mike Brown" message.
Out of the millions of people who died last year, Brown doesn't make my top million of people to honor.

 
I'd also like to know more about this:

Jon Swaine @jonswaine

Should be noted peaceful protesters at fed courthouse in downtown St Louis are being arrested by officers from the Dept of Homeland Security.

Jon Swaine @jonswaine

Demonstrators being arrested outside federal courthouse in St Louis

Jon Swaine @jonswaine

Was just pushed back by cops, threatened with arrest by Chief Sam Dotson of STL metro PD if I refused to stop reporting on public property

Yamiche Alcindor @Yamiche

Cop arresting @CornelWest smiling and taking pictures as a fellow cop poses for a photo with West in handcuffs.

Jon Swaine @jonswaine

Have seen Cornel West, @deray, Rev Sekou, Rev Renita Lamkin and loads more arrested at federal courthouse in STL
It's alright man, I'm sitting here noticing nobody taking on your post. Dey scurred. #PoliceStateIsReal

 
A buddy of mine owns a store in downtown Baltimore that got looted pretty bad. Over $2 million in merchandise were ruined and stolen. The city gave him a $35k check if they reopened and stayed in the city. The insurance company, GGG, has a very large market share here and they are dragging their feet with paying out the claims.

Since they reopened earlier in the summer, he says he sees customers coming in all the time that were on the surveillance videos robbing him. His best customers were the ones who looted him. He said they come in and try to play stupid about the whole thing not realizing they were on camera. Obviously the police won't do anything, so he just smiles and bites his tongue.

 
I'd also like to know more about this:

Post-Dispatch reporter recovering after attack while covering FergusonPost-Dispatch reporter Paul Hampel was beaten, bloodied and robbed by a group of attackers as he covered the Ferguson protests Sunday night.

Hampel said he was taking photos and videos of break-ins along West Florissant Avenue shortly before he was attacked. Suddenly, he said, he was rushed from behind.

"I got swarmed, beaten down really bad," he said.

The attackers punched him in the face, hit him in the head at least three times and kicked him in the back of the head when he was on the ground, Hampel said.

The attackers took his phone and wallet and left. Hampel headed back to the police line and encountered New York Times photographer Whitney Curtis. He told her he needed an ambulance.

Someone laid him down on the grass and he doesn't remember much after that.

He said he suffered a concussion and was kept overnight at a hospital for evaluation. He said he also suffered a puncture wound in his knee, perhaps from glass in the parking lot. He was released from the hospital Monday afternoon.

In addition to Hampel and a man who police say was critically injured in a shootout with officers, two others were treated at hospitals for injuries sustained in the Ferguson area.

Hampel is among several journalists who have been injured, attacked or robbed while covering Ferguson and its aftermath since the Aug. 9, 2014, fatal shooting of Michael Brown Jr.
 
I'd also like to know more about this:

Jon Swaine @jonswaine

Should be noted peaceful protesters at fed courthouse in downtown St Louis are being arrested by officers from the Dept of Homeland Security.

Jon Swaine @jonswaine

Demonstrators being arrested outside federal courthouse in St Louis

Jon Swaine @jonswaine

Was just pushed back by cops, threatened with arrest by Chief Sam Dotson of STL metro PD if I refused to stop reporting on public property

Yamiche Alcindor @Yamiche

Cop arresting @CornelWest smiling and taking pictures as a fellow cop poses for a photo with West in handcuffs.

Jon Swaine @jonswaine

Have seen Cornel West, @deray, Rev Sekou, Rev Renita Lamkin and loads more arrested at federal courthouse in STL
It's alright man, I'm sitting here noticing nobody taking on your post. Dey scurred. #PoliceStateIsReal
Sympathy dun run out.
 
I want to know more about why Obama has his homeland security thugs out beating up innocent people and violating their first amendment rights!

 
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Stinky bait indeed. No injustice. Brown was a robber and then fought with police. It's too bad that he chose that course, but when you do it may end badly and in this case it did. No martyr. No injustice. People are idiots for making him some kind of rallying-point.
There was a flyer hanging in the breakroom at my work last week. The flyer was for a Ferguson commemoration/anti-police brutality protest this past Saturday. The flyer spoke of both the police murders of Mike Brown and Sandra Bland. The flyer contained a large photo of Mike Brown and the title across the top of the flyer in big, bold letters was "HONOR MIKE BROWN!"

When I came back into the breakroom later that day, the flyer was conspicuously missing from where it was previously hanging. I looked in the waste barrel and, sure enough, there it was partially crumpled up. Somebody obviously wasn't a fan of the "Honor Mike Brown" message.
Are the protestors of the mind that Bland was killed by police? Seemed pretty definitive that she hung herself.

 

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