Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (2 Viewers)

[Gary Coal Man]

No major media source has yet to confirm the below information so take it with a grain of salt for now:

BREAKING REPORT: Officer Darren Wilson Suffered “Orbital Blowout Fracture to Eye Socket” During Mike Brown AttackThe Gateway Pundit can now confirm from two local St. Louis sources that police Officer Darren Wilson suffered facial fractures during his confrontation with deceased 18 year-old Michael Brown. Officer Wilson clearly feared for his life during the incident that led to the shooting death of Brown. This was after Michael Brown and his accomplice Dorian Johnson robbed a local Ferguson convenience store.

Local St. Louis sources said Wilson suffered an “orbital blowout fracture to the eye socket.” This comes from a source within the Prosecuting Attorney’s office and confirmed by the St. Louis County Police.

A blowout fracture is a fracture of one or more of the bones surrounding the eye and is commonly referred to as an orbital floor fracture.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Reports from 2.5 miles away from Ferguson that police just shot and killed a mentally challenged 23 year old with a knife.

Sounds like kid was aggressive, but this isn't going to go well given the current situation.

 

[msommer]

Reports from 2.5 miles away from Ferguson that police just shot and killed a mentally challenged 23 year old with a knife.

Sounds like kid was aggressive, but this isn't going to go well given the current situation.

quoted by Henry Ford by mistake on the previous page

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Tried to find the story, but didn't see that.

A reporter on the scene says things are very tense and local politician plus Police Chief are addressing crowd.

 

[Fennis]

No major media source has yet to confirm the below information so take it with a grain of salt for now:

BREAKING REPORT: Officer Darren Wilson Suffered “Orbital Blowout Fracture to Eye Socket” During Mike Brown AttackThe Gateway Pundit can now confirm from two local St. Louis sources that police Officer Darren Wilson suffered facial fractures during his confrontation with deceased 18 year-old Michael Brown. Officer Wilson clearly feared for his life during the incident that led to the shooting death of Brown. This was after Michael Brown and his accomplice Dorian Johnson robbed a local Ferguson convenience store.

Local St. Louis sources said Wilson suffered an “orbital blowout fracture to the eye socket.” This comes from a source within the Prosecuting Attorney’s office and confirmed by the St. Louis County Police.

A blowout fracture is a fracture of one or more of the bones surrounding the eye and is commonly referred to as an orbital floor fracture.

The gateway pundit has the big scoop.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

I think the police should pack up and go home...what is the worst that can happen?

 

[kentric]

Can we agree that there is no need for MRAPs in this situation? Hard to imagine they're being used for something other than psychological reasons (intimidation).

As I stated before, I don't really know the situation that great. Haven't been following it much more than just the headlines. But even with that said, I don't understand what issue is. It carries personnel. It's armored. Are rioters throwing molotov cocktails? Are the police being attacked? Why are they not allowed to have this vehicle?

They are obviously allowed to have such vehicles as they purchased it from the miliarty under established guidelines. The question is, for what purpose are they using it. If someone throws a molotov cocktail or twenty, there are way too many police to fit into the MRAP(s). The thing is there to make a statement. At least to me that's pretty clear.

 

[Dondante]

I think the proverb when you got a hammer everything looks like a nail is appropriate here. Member when Tazers came out they said it was non lethal force to stop say a nutball with a knife. Now they taze the crap out of someone who simply won't get out of their car. It's a punishment for non compliance now. All the commando gear was to make sure they wouldn't be outgunned by guys with body armor and assault rifles. Well not many of those around so they barrel into pot grower's houses like they are making a raid in downtown Fallujah.

You got the toys, you're gonna use them.

They go in like that because there is a chance there could be resistance. Again, if you don't want SWAT breaking down your door, don't break the law. Just because some pot growers aren't violent doesn't mean that all are. Why are we so against cops utilizing tactics that make their job safer?

One of the problems of course being breaking down the wrong door.

I understand that this happens. Is it the norm? Not even close. Police have been known to accidentally shoot innocent people, too. I don't think we should take away their guns, either.

"Proportional force" down? Emptying your clip for a jaywalker seems a tad much.

 

[kentric]

I think the police should pack up and go home...what is the worst that can happen?

Certainly not rioting and looting. I think we can all agree its been proven here that the police presence only exacerbates the issue.

 

[Henry Ford]

No major media source has yet to confirm the below information so take it with a grain of salt for now:

BREAKING REPORT: Officer Darren Wilson Suffered “Orbital Blowout Fracture to Eye Socket” During Mike Brown AttackThe Gateway Pundit can now confirm from two local St. Louis sources that police Officer Darren Wilson suffered facial fractures during his confrontation with deceased 18 year-old Michael Brown. Officer Wilson clearly feared for his life during the incident that led to the shooting death of Brown. This was after Michael Brown and his accomplice Dorian Johnson robbed a local Ferguson convenience store.

Local St. Louis sources said Wilson suffered an “orbital blowout fracture to the eye socket.” This comes from a source within the Prosecuting Attorney’s office and confirmed by the St. Louis County Police.

A blowout fracture is a fracture of one or more of the bones surrounding the eye and is commonly referred to as an orbital floor fracture.

The gateway pundit has the big scoop.

By the way, if you google search the terms in that article, there's a reasonable chance that one of the first links is to a forum called "n*****mania". I'm not sure what that says.

 

[Henry Ford]

I think the proverb when you got a hammer everything looks like a nail is appropriate here. Member when Tazers came out they said it was non lethal force to stop say a nutball with a knife. Now they taze the crap out of someone who simply won't get out of their car. It's a punishment for non compliance now. All the commando gear was to make sure they wouldn't be outgunned by guys with body armor and assault rifles. Well not many of those around so they barrel into pot grower's houses like they are making a raid in downtown Fallujah.

You got the toys, you're gonna use them.

They go in like that because there is a chance there could be resistance. Again, if you don't want SWAT breaking down your door, don't break the law. Just because some pot growers aren't violent doesn't mean that all are. Why are we so against cops utilizing tactics that make their job safer?

One of the problems of course being breaking down the wrong door.

I understand that this happens. Is it the norm? Not even close. Police have been known to accidentally shoot innocent people, too. I don't think we should take away their guns, either.

"Proportional force" down? Emptying your clip for a jaywalker seems a tad much.

I know, it's a residential street and it might not qualify as jaywalking, but we should give the officer the benefit of the doubt.

 

[D in the D]

"N*****mania" ?? Vince McMahon has gone too far now.

 

[kentric]

No major media source has yet to confirm the below information so take it with a grain of salt for now:

BREAKING REPORT: Officer Darren Wilson Suffered “Orbital Blowout Fracture to Eye Socket” During Mike Brown AttackThe Gateway Pundit can now confirm from two local St. Louis sources that police Officer Darren Wilson suffered facial fractures during his confrontation with deceased 18 year-old Michael Brown. Officer Wilson clearly feared for his life during the incident that led to the shooting death of Brown. This was after Michael Brown and his accomplice Dorian Johnson robbed a local Ferguson convenience store.

Local St. Louis sources said Wilson suffered an “orbital blowout fracture to the eye socket.” This comes from a source within the Prosecuting Attorney’s office and confirmed by the St. Louis County Police.

A blowout fracture is a fracture of one or more of the bones surrounding the eye and is commonly referred to as an orbital floor fracture.

Could have come from him not letting go of Brown when Brown pulled away. Face meets doorframe after 6'4" 290 lbs (142 liters) of pressure applied.

 

[kentric]

"N*****mania" ?? Vince McMahon has gone too far now.

No No No. You're thinking of N*****mania 47.

 

[Henry Ford]

No major media source has yet to confirm the below information so take it with a grain of salt for now:

BREAKING REPORT: Officer Darren Wilson Suffered “Orbital Blowout Fracture to Eye Socket” During Mike Brown AttackThe Gateway Pundit can now confirm from two local St. Louis sources that police Officer Darren Wilson suffered facial fractures during his confrontation with deceased 18 year-old Michael Brown. Officer Wilson clearly feared for his life during the incident that led to the shooting death of Brown. This was after Michael Brown and his accomplice Dorian Johnson robbed a local Ferguson convenience store.

Local St. Louis sources said Wilson suffered an “orbital blowout fracture to the eye socket.” This comes from a source within the Prosecuting Attorney’s office and confirmed by the St. Louis County Police.

A blowout fracture is a fracture of one or more of the bones surrounding the eye and is commonly referred to as an orbital floor fracture.

Could have come from him not letting go of Brown when Brown pulled away. Face meets doorframe after 6'4" 290 lbs (142 liters) of pressure applied.

Could also be Brown kicking the door back into him after he tried to open it.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Not to change the subject but is this thread going better or worse than the George Zimmerman/ Trayvon Martin thread did

 

[Henry Ford]

Not to change the subject but is this thread going better or worse than the George Zimmerman/ Trayvon Martin thread did

We've had a discussion on the use of symbolism by the Nazi party and one on Vince McMahon by page 56. I think we're killing that thread.

 

[Christo]

I'm more interested in the difference between changing behavior and controlling behavior.

The first is usually a chance result, rarely anticipated by those using the symbolism. The second implies deliberate masterminding of a situation. Night and day.

Sure was lucky for Hitler, then.

The Nazis did not change the behavior of the German people. They capitalized on feelings that had always been there.

HFS. So there were lots of Germans going around gassing the Jews and Gypsies before the Nazis came to power?

 

[Ditka Butkus]

I'm more interested in the difference between changing behavior and controlling behavior.

The first is usually a chance result, rarely anticipated by those using the symbolism. The second implies deliberate masterminding of a situation. Night and day.

Sure was lucky for Hitler, then.

The Nazis did not change the behavior of the German people. They capitalized on feelings that had always been there.

HFS. So there were lots of Germans going around gassing the Jews and Gypsies before the Nazis came to power?

No in reading that...they only felt like it, they didn't actually do it.

 

[Fennis]

No major media source has yet to confirm the below information so take it with a grain of salt for now:

BREAKING REPORT: Officer Darren Wilson Suffered “Orbital Blowout Fracture to Eye Socket” During Mike Brown AttackThe Gateway Pundit can now confirm from two local St. Louis sources that police Officer Darren Wilson suffered facial fractures during his confrontation with deceased 18 year-old Michael Brown. Officer Wilson clearly feared for his life during the incident that led to the shooting death of Brown. This was after Michael Brown and his accomplice Dorian Johnson robbed a local Ferguson convenience store.

Local St. Louis sources said Wilson suffered an “orbital blowout fracture to the eye socket.” This comes from a source within the Prosecuting Attorney’s office and confirmed by the St. Louis County Police.

A blowout fracture is a fracture of one or more of the bones surrounding the eye and is commonly referred to as an orbital floor fracture.

Could have come from him not letting go of Brown when Brown pulled away. Face meets doorframe after 6'4" 290 lbs (142 liters) of pressure applied.

Could also be Brown kicking the door back into him after he tried to open it.

could be gateway pundits (or n*****mania) sources are SLB and Leon Spinks

 

[Christo]

TIME FOR OUTRAGE AND RIOTS IN UTAH!

Cops gun down headphones-wearing Utah man because he wouldnt comply with orders

http://mobile.rawstory.com/all/2014-08-15-cops-gun-down-headphones-wearing-utah-man-because-he-wouldnt-comply-with-orders#1

GENOCIDE!

MSNBC Guest: There’s a U.S. ‘War on Black Boys,’ Could Turn ‘Genocide’ if We Don’t Stop ItOn Hardball Monday, MSNBC contributor Michelle Bernard said the U.S. is on the verge of experiencing a “genocide” of young black men.

Bernard was on the program with the Washington Post’s Eugene Robinson to discuss the ongoing unrest in Ferguson, Mo., following the police shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown. Bernard, who is black, said her 11-year-old son had asked her recently if someone was going to shoot him, as was the case with Brown.

“I don’t have an answer that is palatable to be able to look my children in the face and say there are people in this country who– not only do not like African-Americans, but they despise black men,” Bernard said. “There is a war on black boys in this country. In my opinion, there is a war on African-American men.”

Host Chris Matthews wrapped up the segment, saying he wished that other Americans would listen to Bernard and Robinson, who had said both racial and economic elements are at play in the Ferguson turmoil.

“I hope so,” Bernard said, “because this is, it’s going to turn into a genocide if it doesn’t stop.”

OMG

 

[avoiding injuries]

Not to change the subject but is this thread going better or worse than the George Zimmerman/ Trayvon Martin thread did

There are a lot of similarities, but this story seems to be unfolding a little faster and people who jumped to conclusions are having to back track a lot earlier.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Can we agree that there is no need for MRAPs in this situation? Hard to imagine they're being used for something other than psychological reasons (intimidation).

As I stated before, I don't really know the situation that great. Haven't been following it much more than just the headlines. But even with that said, I don't understand what issue is. It carries personnel. It's armored. Are rioters throwing molotov cocktails? Are the police being attacked? Why are they not allowed to have this vehicle?

They are obviously allowed to have such vehicles as they purchased it from the miliarty under established guidelines. The question is, for what purpose are they using it. If someone throws a molotov cocktail or twenty, there are way too many police to fit into the MRAP(s). The thing is there to make a statement. At least to me that's pretty clear.

I understand what you're saying. I really do. But I don't agree with it. Respectfully, that is. I don't think police are thinking, "We should use the MRAP to intimidate them." It's a piece of equipment that they have and they are using it.

 

[[icon]]

Chris Rock weighs in on the issue

(not really)

 

[kentric]

Not to change the subject but is this thread going better or worse than the George Zimmerman/ Trayvon Martin thread did

There are a lot of similarities, but this story seems to be unfolding a little faster and people who jumped to conclusions are having to back track a lot earlier.

I'd say the GZ/TM thread got alot more mileage (pages) early on than this did. I agree that there are alot of similarities. This thread however has many more side elements. With the GZ/TM thread you had stand your ground. With this thread you're got rioting/looting, militarization of the police and surf Nazis.

 

[Henry Ford]

I'm more interested in the difference between changing behavior and controlling behavior.

The first is usually a chance result, rarely anticipated by those using the symbolism. The second implies deliberate masterminding of a situation. Night and day.

Sure was lucky for Hitler, then.

The Nazis did not change the behavior of the German people. They capitalized on feelings that had always been there.

HFS. So there were lots of Germans going around gassing the Jews and Gypsies before the Nazis came to power?

Thank you.

 

[kentric]

Can we agree that there is no need for MRAPs in this situation? Hard to imagine they're being used for something other than psychological reasons (intimidation).

As I stated before, I don't really know the situation that great. Haven't been following it much more than just the headlines. But even with that said, I don't understand what issue is. It carries personnel. It's armored. Are rioters throwing molotov cocktails? Are the police being attacked? Why are they not allowed to have this vehicle?

They are obviously allowed to have such vehicles as they purchased it from the miliarty under established guidelines. The question is, for what purpose are they using it. If someone throws a molotov cocktail or twenty, there are way too many police to fit into the MRAP(s). The thing is there to make a statement. At least to me that's pretty clear.

I understand what you're saying. I really do. But I don't agree with it. Respectfully, that is. I don't think police are thinking, "We should use the MRAP to intimidate them." It's a piece of equipment that they have and they are using it.

So possibly its like, "hey, we've got this kickass MRAP from the military two years ago and its been sitting in the garage the whole time. Let's bring it out and let it get some sunlight." Or, are you saying they believe that it may be useful if the **** hits the fan. Or a combination of the two? Not being facetious here.

 

[Christo]

What if it turns out the cop suffered injuries during the struggle with Brown near or inside the cop car?

Does this change anything for you?

What if they find fingerprints on the gun that match Brown's?

I'm in the camp that I need more info before I judge anything.

He could have all the injuries in the world and it still wouldn't justify unloading on someone 10 yards away with his arms up.

So yes, I agree. We desperately need more information

Do you really believe that the officer would shoot someone who had their hands up and was just standing there? Seriously?

Do you really believe someone would turn around and attack a police officer who has already shot at him?

Sure, why not?

 

[hagmania]

Personally, Sheik, I'm not worried about what the officers are currently doing with the MRAPs or other equipment. I think how things are going currently with the country are fine and dandy.

I do worry that said equipment could be used to form a police state very quickly if some terrible decisions were made by the nation's leaders. Hopefully that is just misplaced paranoia.

 

[kentric]

What if it turns out the cop suffered injuries during the struggle with Brown near or inside the cop car?

Does this change anything for you?

What if they find fingerprints on the gun that match Brown's?

I'm in the camp that I need more info before I judge anything.

He could have all the injuries in the world and it still wouldn't justify unloading on someone 10 yards away with his arms up.

So yes, I agree. We desperately need more information

Do you really believe that the officer would shoot someone who had their hands up and was just standing there? Seriously?

Do you really believe someone would turn around and attack a police officer who has already shot at him?

Sure, why not?

My point is, you can use the same, "Sure, why not?" with the officer shooting an unarmed man with his hands in the air. Neither case is considered rationale. One or both of these guys went over the deep end.

 

[kentric]

Personally, Sheik, I'm not worried about what the officers are currently doing with the MRAPs or other equipment. I think how things are going currently with the country are fine and dandy.

I do worry that said equipment could be used to form a police state very quickly if some terrible decisions were made by the nation's leaders. Hopefully that is just misplaced paranoia.

A police state? We're nowhere near that state of affairs.

 

[hagmania]

Personally, Sheik, I'm not worried about what the officers are currently doing with the MRAPs or other equipment. I think how things are going currently with the country are fine and dandy.

I do worry that said equipment could be used to form a police state very quickly if some terrible decisions were made by the nation's leaders. Hopefully that is just misplaced paranoia.

A police state? We're nowhere near that state of affairs.

You're right, we're not, and I didn't mean to imply that we were.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Chris Rock weighs in on the issue

(not really)

This should be the end of the thread.

 

[Christo]

I think the proverb when you got a hammer everything looks like a nail is appropriate here. Member when Tazers came out they said it was non lethal force to stop say a nutball with a knife. Now they taze the crap out of someone who simply won't get out of their car. It's a punishment for non compliance now. All the commando gear was to make sure they wouldn't be outgunned by guys with body armor and assault rifles. Well not many of those around so they barrel into pot grower's houses like they are making a raid in downtown Fallujah.

You got the toys, you're gonna use them.

They go in like that because there is a chance there could be resistance. Again, if you don't want SWAT breaking down your door, don't break the law. Just because some pot growers aren't violent doesn't mean that all are. Why are we so against cops utilizing tactics that make their job safer?

One of the problems of course being breaking down the wrong door.

I understand that this happens. Is it the norm? Not even close. Police have been known to accidentally shoot innocent people, too. I don't think we should take away their guns, either.

I don't either, but "You don't want SWAT breaking down your door, don't break the law" isn't really a fair characterization. It happens more than the police would like to admit. I linked to the first story that came up, but it happens.

And again, I never said it didn't happen. But I'm guessing the amount of time it has happened is less than 200. How many raids do you think SWAT does? Is less than .001% really worrisome?

According to John Oliver's propaganda SWAT use is up 1400 percent in 20-25 years. Has crime really risen that much in the US?

Yes, just in South Chicago alone.

I'd agree with you if you weren't 100% wrong.

 

[Fennis]

Personally, Sheik, I'm not worried about what the officers are currently doing with the MRAPs or other equipment. I think how things are going currently with the country are fine and dandy.

I do worry that said equipment could be used to form a police state very quickly if some terrible decisions were made by the nation's leaders. Hopefully that is just misplaced paranoia.

A police state? We're nowhere near that state of affairs.

that's true. Today we only have SWAT teams, while doing drug raid,s throw flash grenades that land in baby cribs... with babies inside those cribs. And there are no arrests made inside the house because there were no drugs or drug dealers.

http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/19/georgia-county-wont-pay-medical-bills-fo

 

[Henry Ford]

What if it turns out the cop suffered injuries during the struggle with Brown near or inside the cop car?

Does this change anything for you?

What if they find fingerprints on the gun that match Brown's?

I'm in the camp that I need more info before I judge anything.

He could have all the injuries in the world and it still wouldn't justify unloading on someone 10 yards away with his arms up.

So yes, I agree. We desperately need more information

Do you really believe that the officer would shoot someone who had their hands up and was just standing there? Seriously?

Do you really believe someone would turn around and attack a police officer who has already shot at him?

Sure, why not?

My point is, you can use the same, "Sure, why not?" with the officer shooting an unarmed man with his hands in the air. Neither case is considered rationale. One or both of these guys went over the deep end.

Or the cop got hit in the face with his own door in the initial contact, and tried to apprehend the kid with a fractured orbital bone. The kid has no idea why the cop is freaking out and tries to bolt. Cop is pulling his gun out with a skull fracture and it goes off while he's holding the kid inside. Then the kid starts to run, panicked. Cop gets out of the car and yells "freeze" and fires, either missing or hitting the arm, but he's in blinding pain and all he sees is movement of the kid turning around and coming toward him - kids arms are in the air and he's surrendering, but all the cop sees is a HUGE guy (he must be getting close if he's that big, right?) and he starts shooting again.

There are a million possible variations. If the cop has a serious injury to his orbital area, I don't think he sees a minute of jail time even if he actually executed the kid. Probably still off the force, though.

 

[Dondante]

Chris Rock weighs in on the issue

(not really)

This should be the end of the thread.

Whatever. He didn't even mention jayrobbing, rioting or looting. I doubt it will resonate.

 

[Christo]

What if it turns out the cop suffered injuries during the struggle with Brown near or inside the cop car?

Does this change anything for you?

What if they find fingerprints on the gun that match Brown's?

I'm in the camp that I need more info before I judge anything.

He could have all the injuries in the world and it still wouldn't justify unloading on someone 10 yards away with his arms up.

So yes, I agree. We desperately need more information

Do you really believe that the officer would shoot someone who had their hands up and was just standing there? Seriously?

Do you really believe someone would turn around and attack a police officer who has already shot at him?

Sure, why not?

My point is, you can use the same, "Sure, why not?" with the officer shooting an unarmed man with his hands in the air. Neither case is considered rationale. One or both of these guys went over the deep end.

Uh, yeah.

 

[Dondante]

What if it turns out the cop suffered injuries during the struggle with Brown near or inside the cop car?

Does this change anything for you?

What if they find fingerprints on the gun that match Brown's?

I'm in the camp that I need more info before I judge anything.

He could have all the injuries in the world and it still wouldn't justify unloading on someone 10 yards away with his arms up.

So yes, I agree. We desperately need more information

Do you really believe that the officer would shoot someone who had their hands up and was just standing there? Seriously?

Do you really believe someone would turn around and attack a police officer who has already shot at him?

Sure, why not?

My point is, you can use the same, "Sure, why not?" with the officer shooting an unarmed man with his hands in the air. Neither case is considered rationale. One or both of these guys went over the deep end.

Or the cop got hit in the face with his own door in the initial contact, and tried to apprehend the kid with a fractured orbital bone. The kid has no idea why the cop is freaking out and tries to bolt. Cop is pulling his gun out with a skull fracture and it goes off while he's holding the kid inside. Then the kid starts to run, panicked. Cop gets out of the car and yells "freeze" and fires, either missing or hitting the arm, but he's in blinding pain and all he sees is movement of the kid turning around and coming toward him - kids arms are in the air and he's surrendering, but all the cop sees is a HUGE guy (he must be getting close if he's that big, right?) and he starts shooting again.

There are a million possible variations. If the cop has a serious injury to his orbital area, I don't think he sees a minute of jail time even if he actually executed the kid. Probably still off the force, though.

I like that we've reached the point in the thread where you're trying to write a David Ayer screenplay.

 

[Fennis]

What if it turns out the cop suffered injuries during the struggle with Brown near or inside the cop car?

Does this change anything for you?

What if they find fingerprints on the gun that match Brown's?

I'm in the camp that I need more info before I judge anything.

He could have all the injuries in the world and it still wouldn't justify unloading on someone 10 yards away with his arms up.

So yes, I agree. We desperately need more information

Do you really believe that the officer would shoot someone who had their hands up and was just standing there? Seriously?

Do you really believe someone would turn around and attack a police officer who has already shot at him?

Sure, why not?

My point is, you can use the same, "Sure, why not?" with the officer shooting an unarmed man with his hands in the air. Neither case is considered rationale. One or both of these guys went over the deep end.

Or the cop got hit in the face with his own door in the initial contact, and tried to apprehend the kid with a fractured orbital bone. The kid has no idea why the cop is freaking out and tries to bolt. Cop is pulling his gun out with a skull fracture and it goes off while he's holding the kid inside. Then the kid starts to run, panicked. Cop gets out of the car and yells "freeze" and fires, either missing or hitting the arm, but he's in blinding pain and all he sees is movement of the kid turning around and coming toward him - kids arms are in the air and he's surrendering, but all the cop sees is a HUGE guy (he must be getting close if he's that big, right?) and he starts shooting again.

There are a million possible variations. If the cop has a serious injury to his orbital area, I don't think he sees a minute of jail time even if he actually executed the kid. Probably still off the force, though.

I'm calling a radio show with your scenario.

"Hi, I'm Darren Wilson's BFF and this is what he said actually happened"

 

[TobiasFunke]

What if it turns out the cop suffered injuries during the struggle with Brown near or inside the cop car?

Does this change anything for you?

What if they find fingerprints on the gun that match Brown's?

I'm in the camp that I need more info before I judge anything.

He could have all the injuries in the world and it still wouldn't justify unloading on someone 10 yards away with his arms up.

So yes, I agree. We desperately need more information

Do you really believe that the officer would shoot someone who had their hands up and was just standing there? Seriously?

Do you really believe someone would turn around and attack a police officer who has already shot at him?

Sure, why not?

My point is, you can use the same, "Sure, why not?" with the officer shooting an unarmed man with his hands in the air. Neither case is considered rationale. One or both of these guys went over the deep end.

Or the cop got hit in the face with his own door in the initial contact, and tried to apprehend the kid with a fractured orbital bone. The kid has no idea why the cop is freaking out and tries to bolt. Cop is pulling his gun out with a skull fracture and it goes off while he's holding the kid inside. Then the kid starts to run, panicked. Cop gets out of the car and yells "freeze" and fires, either missing or hitting the arm, but he's in blinding pain and all he sees is movement of the kid turning around and coming toward him - kids arms are in the air and he's surrendering, but all the cop sees is a HUGE guy (he must be getting close if he's that big, right?) and he starts shooting again.

There are a million possible variations. If the cop has a serious injury to his orbital area, I don't think he sees a minute of jail time even if he actually executed the kid. Probably still off the force, though.

Indeed. If only there were someone who could have offered clarity as to the events of that evening and relayed that information to the public in an open, honest and timely manner. Too bad.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Can we agree that there is no need for MRAPs in this situation? Hard to imagine they're being used for something other than psychological reasons (intimidation).

As I stated before, I don't really know the situation that great. Haven't been following it much more than just the headlines. But even with that said, I don't understand what issue is. It carries personnel. It's armored. Are rioters throwing molotov cocktails? Are the police being attacked? Why are they not allowed to have this vehicle?

They are obviously allowed to have such vehicles as they purchased it from the miliarty under established guidelines. The question is, for what purpose are they using it. If someone throws a molotov cocktail or twenty, there are way too many police to fit into the MRAP(s). The thing is there to make a statement. At least to me that's pretty clear.

I understand what you're saying. I really do. But I don't agree with it. Respectfully, that is. I don't think police are thinking, "We should use the MRAP to intimidate them." It's a piece of equipment that they have and they are using it.

So possibly its like, "hey, we've got this kickass MRAP from the military two years ago and its been sitting in the garage the whole time. Let's bring it out and let it get some sunlight." Or, are you saying they believe that it may be useful if the **** hits the fan. Or a combination of the two? Not being facetious here.

I think it's more like the second scenario you list. I don't think this thing has been sitting in a garage, never used. I think it's used whenever they can use it. It's equipment. They don't just bring this thing out when they need to intimidate people. I'm guessing this thing is used on a daily basis.

 

[Quint]

doesn't a CT scan confirm a "orbital blowout"?

 

[Doug B]

Indeed. If only there were someone who could have offered clarity as to the events of that evening and relayed that information to the public in an open, honest and timely manner. Too bad.

I don't think this was remotely possible. Without multi-angle footage and with uber-biased "witnesses" on all sides, any info released at any point would have been sorely lacking.

 

[Christo]

What if it turns out the cop suffered injuries during the struggle with Brown near or inside the cop car?

Does this change anything for you?

What if they find fingerprints on the gun that match Brown's?

I'm in the camp that I need more info before I judge anything.

He could have all the injuries in the world and it still wouldn't justify unloading on someone 10 yards away with his arms up.

So yes, I agree. We desperately need more information

Do you really believe that the officer would shoot someone who had their hands up and was just standing there? Seriously?

Do you really believe someone would turn around and attack a police officer who has already shot at him?

Sure, why not?

My point is, you can use the same, "Sure, why not?" with the officer shooting an unarmed man with his hands in the air. Neither case is considered rationale. One or both of these guys went over the deep end.

Or the cop got hit in the face with his own door in the initial contact, and tried to apprehend the kid with a fractured orbital bone. The kid has no idea why the cop is freaking out and tries to bolt. Cop is pulling his gun out with a skull fracture and it goes off while he's holding the kid inside. Then the kid starts to run, panicked. Cop gets out of the car and yells "freeze" and fires, either missing or hitting the arm, but he's in blinding pain and all he sees is movement of the kid turning around and coming toward him - kids arms are in the air and he's surrendering, but all the cop sees is a HUGE guy (he must be getting close if he's that big, right?) and he starts shooting again.

There are a million possible variations. If the cop has a serious injury to his orbital area, I don't think he sees a minute of jail time even if he actually executed the kid. Probably still off the force, though.

Indeed. If only there were someone who could have offered clarity as to the events of that evening and relayed that information to the public in an open, honest and timely manner. Too bad.

You've said this a few times. If I'm reading you correctly, I think you're referring to the person who has the absolute right to remain silent. You know, the guy who the entire black population in this country wants arrested immediately.

 

[lod01]

No major media source has yet to confirm the below information so take it with a grain of salt for now:

BREAKING REPORT: Officer Darren Wilson Suffered “Orbital Blowout Fracture to Eye Socket” During Mike Brown AttackThe Gateway Pundit can now confirm from two local St. Louis sources that police Officer Darren Wilson suffered facial fractures during his confrontation with deceased 18 year-old Michael Brown. Officer Wilson clearly feared for his life during the incident that led to the shooting death of Brown. This was after Michael Brown and his accomplice Dorian Johnson robbed a local Ferguson convenience store.

Local St. Louis sources said Wilson suffered an “orbital blowout fracture to the eye socket.” This comes from a source within the Prosecuting Attorney’s office and confirmed by the St. Louis County Police.

A blowout fracture is a fracture of one or more of the bones surrounding the eye and is commonly referred to as an orbital floor fracture.

Could have come from him not letting go of Brown when Brown pulled away. Face meets doorframe after 6'4" 290 lbs (142 liters) of pressure applied.

Could also be Brown kicking the door back into him after he tried to open it.

It really doesn't matter how it happened. It's another nail in the coffin of the accusers.

What a fine upstanding child they had.

 

[Doug B]

You've said this a few times. If I'm reading you correctly, I think you're referring to the person who has the absolute right to remain silent. You know, the guy who the entire black population in this country wants arrested immediately.

Wait -- I totally missed this. He thinks Darren Wilson should speak publicly? Or should have spoken publicly?

Gotta let Tobias speak for himself here.

 

[tom22406]

You've said this a few times. If I'm reading you correctly, I think you're referring to the person who has the absolute right to remain silent. You know, the guy who the entire black population in this country wants arrested immediately.

Wait -- I totally missed this. He thinks Darren Wilson should speak publicly? Or should have spoken publicly?

Gotta let Tobias speak for himself here.

I took what Tobias was saying as the police should have released the incident report

 

[Henry Ford]

What if it turns out the cop suffered injuries during the struggle with Brown near or inside the cop car?

Does this change anything for you?

What if they find fingerprints on the gun that match Brown's?

I'm in the camp that I need more info before I judge anything.

He could have all the injuries in the world and it still wouldn't justify unloading on someone 10 yards away with his arms up.

So yes, I agree. We desperately need more information

Do you really believe that the officer would shoot someone who had their hands up and was just standing there? Seriously?

Do you really believe someone would turn around and attack a police officer who has already shot at him?

Sure, why not?

My point is, you can use the same, "Sure, why not?" with the officer shooting an unarmed man with his hands in the air. Neither case is considered rationale. One or both of these guys went over the deep end.

Or the cop got hit in the face with his own door in the initial contact, and tried to apprehend the kid with a fractured orbital bone. The kid has no idea why the cop is freaking out and tries to bolt. Cop is pulling his gun out with a skull fracture and it goes off while he's holding the kid inside. Then the kid starts to run, panicked. Cop gets out of the car and yells "freeze" and fires, either missing or hitting the arm, but he's in blinding pain and all he sees is movement of the kid turning around and coming toward him - kids arms are in the air and he's surrendering, but all the cop sees is a HUGE guy (he must be getting close if he's that big, right?) and he starts shooting again.

There are a million possible variations. If the cop has a serious injury to his orbital area, I don't think he sees a minute of jail time even if he actually executed the kid. Probably still off the force, though.

I like that we've reached the point in the thread where you're trying to write a David Ayer screenplay.

Well, what the hell. It's no more far fetched than most theories in here.

 

[lod01]

I think the police should pack up and go home...what is the worst that can happen?

Well, they loot unitl there's nothing left to loot then they burn everything to the ground and then stand around with their thumbs up their butts waiting for a handout all the while saying that nobody's helping them.