Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (7 Viewers)

[timschochet]

Is this true?

@conradhackett: Deaths from police shootings (latest available year)

US 409

Germany 8

Britain 0

Japan 0

http://t.co/zGT8ZNbTq0 http://t.co/afJhJfBefe

The numbers are skewed and misleading because those other countries don't shave nearly as many black people for their officers to shoot.

The black people in the UK, Germany and even sweden probably arent the looting, gangsta type either.You guys seem to be hung up on the persons skin color when in reality its a "behavior and attitude" issue thats the problem.....

that must be why all the Bundy idiots are dead.

I have no idea what the hell this means?

all the followers of Cliven Bundy the rancher, refusing to leave public property, yelling names and dirty words at the police, pointing AR-15s at the cops and threatening to fire. A bunch of old, idiot white rednecks. And they weren't arrested, much less shot at. Why is that?

Being white didnt seem to help david koresh and his followers in Waco much now did it? I dont know a thing about Bundy so i cant really comment....Its a behavior, attitude and total disregard for law that is a problem, i dont see it as a white or black problem since both sides seem to have plenty of criminals that are caught/incarcerated and killed every day....

once again you're wrong. The authorities surrounded Koresh and tried for several weeks to negotiate a peaceful solution to that standoff. If Koresh and his people had been black, there would have been a raid within 24 hours.

 

[lod01]

Is this true?

@conradhackett: Deaths from police shootings (latest available year)

US 409

Germany 8

Britain 0

Japan 0

http://t.co/zGT8ZNbTq0 http://t.co/afJhJfBefe

The numbers are skewed and misleading because those other countries don't shave nearly as many black people for their officers to shoot.

The black people in the UK, Germany and even sweden probably arent the looting, gangsta type either.You guys seem to be hung up on the persons skin color when in reality its a "behavior and attitude" issue thats the problem.....

that must be why all the Bundy idiots are dead.

I have no idea what the hell this means?

all the followers of Cliven Bundy the rancher, refusing to leave public property, yelling names and dirty words at the police, pointing AR-15s at the cops and threatening to fire. A bunch of old, idiot white rednecks. And they weren't arrested, much less shot at. Why is that?

Being white didnt seem to help david koresh and his followers in Waco much now did it? I dont know a thing about Bundy so i cant really comment....Its a behavior, attitude and total disregard for law that is a problem, i dont see it as a white or black problem since both sides seem to have plenty of criminals that are caught/incarcerated and killed every day....

once again you're wrong. The authorities surrounded Koresh and tried for several weeks to negotiate a peaceful solution to that standoff. If Koresh and his people had been black, there would have been a raid within 24 hours.

Jesus. Do I have to go find an article that proves you wrong on this claim well as I did on the one where you were wrong about unarmed people ever getting shot? That unarmed guy was white by the way.

 

[Greggity]

Is this true?

@conradhackett: Deaths from police shootings (latest available year)

US 409

Germany 8

Britain 0

Japan 0

http://t.co/zGT8ZNbTq0 http://t.co/afJhJfBefe

The numbers are skewed and misleading because those other countries don't shave nearly as many black people for their officers to shoot.

The black people in the UK, Germany and even sweden probably arent the looting, gangsta type either.You guys seem to be hung up on the persons skin color when in reality its a "behavior and attitude" issue thats the problem.....

that must be why all the Bundy idiots are dead.

I have no idea what the hell this means?

all the followers of Cliven Bundy the rancher, refusing to leave public property, yelling names and dirty words at the police, pointing AR-15s at the cops and threatening to fire. A bunch of old, idiot white rednecks. And they weren't arrested, much less shot at. Why is that?

Being white didnt seem to help david koresh and his followers in Waco much now did it? I dont know a thing about Bundy so i cant really comment....Its a behavior, attitude and total disregard for law that is a problem, i dont see it as a white or black problem since both sides seem to have plenty of criminals that are caught/incarcerated and killed every day....

once again you're wrong. The authorities surrounded Koresh and tried for several weeks to negotiate a peaceful solution to that standoff. If Koresh and his people had been black, there would have been a raid within 24 hours.

Nice speculation. I can see the guy in charge negotiating with koresh saying "ya know david, since you are white we really dont want to kill you" im not buying that. I guess you can spin it however you like. Bottom line is plenty of white people are on death row and in jail now as i type this and deservedly so. I have no empathy for criminals regardless of skin color, i want them off the streets....

 

[msommer]

Is this true?

@conradhackett: Deaths from police shootings (latest available year)

US 409

Germany 8

Britain 0

Japan 0

http://t.co/zGT8ZNbTq0 http://t.co/afJhJfBefe

The numbers are skewed and misleading because those other countries don't shave nearly as many black people for their officers to shoot.

you shave them before you shoot them?

 

[Al O'Pecia]

Can you imagine what would have happened if the Bundy people had all been black?

Sure, the media would have been pulling for them.

 

[Al O'Pecia]

Is this true?

@conradhackett: Deaths from police shootings (latest available year)

US 409

Germany 8

Britain 0

Japan 0

http://t.co/zGT8ZNbTq0 http://t.co/afJhJfBefe

The numbers are skewed and misleading because those other countries don't shave nearly as many black people for their officers to shoot.

you shave them before you shoot them?

LOL"have"

 

[matttyl]

Johnson also said that Brown was shot in the back - which didn't happen. Johnson also has warrants out for him and is on camera with Brown in the robbery just before the shooting. I'm not taking much of what he says at face value, but had he said that there was a scuffle that would be very telling.

Not really.

Which part?

"Wilson exited the vehicle, after which he fired a second shot, striking Brown in the back, according to Johnson."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Michael_Brown#Dorian_Johnson

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

Is this true?

@conradhackett: Deaths from police shootings (latest available year)

US 409

Germany 8

Britain 0

Japan 0

http://t.co/zGT8ZNbTq0 http://t.co/afJhJfBefe

The numbers are skewed and misleading because those other countries don't shave nearly as many black people for their officers to shoot.

The black people in the UK, Germany and even sweden probably arent the looting, gangsta type either.

You guys seem to be hung up on the persons skin color when in reality its a "behavior and attitude" issue thats the problem.....

perhaps there's a correlation? A deep rooted one? Perhaps tied to a bigger socieo-economic problem?

Spitballin' here.

 

[msommer]

Johnson also said that Brown was shot in the back - which didn't happen. Johnson also has warrants out for him and is on camera with Brown in the robbery just before the shooting. I'm not taking much of what he says at face value, but had he said that there was a scuffle that would be very telling.

Not really.

Which part?

"Wilson exited the vehicle, after which he fired a second shot, striking Brown in the back, according to Johnson."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Michael_Brown#Dorian_Johnson

The bolded.

From scuffle at the car to dead in the street is not a linear progression IMHO.

Brown pushes Wilsons hands away and runs off is a lot less damning for Brown

than

Brown grabbing Wilsons shirt, banging his head repeatedly against the door and runs off

Both could be described as scuffles.

So there are scuffles, and then there are scuffles.

I'm BTW not advocating either scenario.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Is this true?

@conradhackett: Deaths from police shootings (latest available year)

US 409

Germany 8

Britain 0

Japan 0

http://t.co/zGT8ZNbTq0 http://t.co/afJhJfBefe

The numbers are skewed and misleading because those other countries don't shave nearly as many black people for their officers to shoot.

The black people in the UK, Germany and even sweden probably arent the looting, gangsta type either.

You guys seem to be hung up on the persons skin color when in reality its a "behavior and attitude" issue thats the problem.....

perhaps there's a correlation? A deep rooted one? Perhaps tied to a bigger socieo-economic problem?

Spitballin' here.

Or genetic?

Also spitballin'

 

[Greggity]

Is this true?

@conradhackett: Deaths from police shootings (latest available year)

US 409

Germany 8

Britain 0

Japan 0

http://t.co/zGT8ZNbTq0 http://t.co/afJhJfBefe

The numbers are skewed and misleading because those other countries don't shave nearly as many black people for their officers to shoot.

The black people in the UK, Germany and even sweden probably arent the looting, gangsta type either.

You guys seem to be hung up on the persons skin color when in reality its a "behavior and attitude" issue thats the problem.....

perhaps there's a correlation? A deep rooted one? Perhaps tied to a bigger socieo-economic problem?

Spitballin' here.

Yes i am sure you are right. Its not just a black problem. A lot of spoiled, entitled, poor white kids growing up acting like clowns with total disregard for the law and humanity. I want them in jail and off the streets too....

 

[lod01]

once again you're wrong. The authorities surrounded Koresh and tried for several weeks to negotiate a peaceful solution to that standoff. If Koresh and his people had been black, there would have been a raid within 24 hours.

That was easy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE

They got a year to get out. On August 8, 1978, an end was negotiated to an almost year-long standoff with police over orders to vacate the Powelton Village MOVE house.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

Is this true?

@conradhackett: Deaths from police shootings (latest available year)

US 409

Germany 8

Britain 0

Japan 0

http://t.co/zGT8ZNbTq0 http://t.co/afJhJfBefe

The numbers are skewed and misleading because those other countries don't shave nearly as many black people for their officers to shoot.

The black people in the UK, Germany and even sweden probably arent the looting, gangsta type either.

You guys seem to be hung up on the persons skin color when in reality its a "behavior and attitude" issue thats the problem.....

perhaps there's a correlation? A deep rooted one? Perhaps tied to a bigger socieo-economic problem?

Spitballin' here.

Or genetic?

Also spitballin'

DOH!~!@!~

 

[Stinger Ray]

once again you're wrong. The authorities surrounded Koresh and tried for several weeks to negotiate a peaceful solution to that standoff. If Koresh and his people had been black, there would have been a raid within 24 hours.

That was easy.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE

They got a year to get out. On August 8, 1978, an end was negotiated to an almost year-long standoff with police over orders to vacate the Powelton Village MOVE house.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

once again you're wrong. The authorities surrounded Koresh and tried for several weeks to negotiate a peaceful solution to that standoff. If Koresh and his people had been black, there would have been a raid within 24 hours.

That was easy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE

They got a year to get out. On August 8, 1978, an end was negotiated to an almost year-long standoff with police over orders to vacate the Powelton Village MOVE house.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

lol, well they did do this a few years later...

The police lobbed tear gas canisters at the building. MOVE members fired at the police, and the police returned fire with semiautomatic weapons.[11] A Pennsylvania State Police helicopter then dropped two one-pound bombs made of FBI-supplied water gel explosive, a dynamite substitute, targeting a fortified, bunker-like cubicle on the roof of the house.[12]

The resulting fire ignited a massive blaze that eventually destroyed approximately 60 houses nearby.[3][12][13] Eleven people (John Africa, five other adults and five children) died in the resulting fire.[14] Ramona Africa, one of the two survivors, claimed that police fired at those trying to escape the burning house, while the police stated that MOVE members had been firing at police.[15]

At least the Ferguson PD didn't drop a firebomb that burned down a few cities blocks.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

"The City that Bombed Itself."[

 

[lod01]

once again you're wrong. The authorities surrounded Koresh and tried for several weeks to negotiate a peaceful solution to that standoff. If Koresh and his people had been black, there would have been a raid within 24 hours.

That was easy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE

They got a year to get out. On August 8, 1978, an end was negotiated to an almost year-long standoff with police over orders to vacate the Powelton Village MOVE house.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

lol, well they did do this a few years later...

The police lobbed tear gas canisters at the building. MOVE members fired at the police, and the police returned fire with semiautomatic weapons.[11] A Pennsylvania State Police helicopter then dropped two one-pound bombs made of FBI-supplied water gel explosive, a dynamite substitute, targeting a fortified, bunker-like cubicle on the roof of the house.[12]

The resulting fire ignited a massive blaze that eventually destroyed approximately 60 houses nearby.[3][12][13] Eleven people (John Africa, five other adults and five children) died in the resulting fire.[14] Ramona Africa, one of the two survivors, claimed that police fired at those trying to escape the burning house, while the police stated that MOVE members had been firing at police.[15]

At least the Ferguson PD didn't drop a firebomb that burned down a few cities blocks.

I guess they didn't learn the first time so the police weren't going to waste a year the second time. Impressive bomb. Looks like we had some bigtime weaponry way back then.

 

[Loan Sharks]

Is this true?

@conradhackett: Deaths from police shootings (latest available year)

US 409

Germany 8

Britain 0

Japan 0

http://t.co/zGT8ZNbTq0 http://t.co/afJhJfBefe

This doesn't seem abnormal to me at all. When you consider that about 30 cops get shot a year I would expect a correlation to attacks on cops to shot people by cops.

It looks like you get a roughly 10 to 1 correlation to shot people to shot cops. I would think that trained armored police would win shootouts much more often than the public and of course the incorrect reads by officers.

Here is the links to shop cops from the last couple of years

http://www.odmp.org/search/year?year=2013

http://reason.com/blog/2012/06/11/seventy-two-cops-were-shot-and-killed-in

Anyone want to try to find out the racial break down of cop killers?

 

[timschochet]

once again you're wrong. The authorities surrounded Koresh and tried for several weeks to negotiate a peaceful solution to that standoff. If Koresh and his people had been black, there would have been a raid within 24 hours.

That was easy.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE

They got a year to get out. On August 8, 1978, an end was negotiated to an almost year-long standoff with police over orders to vacate the Powelton Village MOVE house.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

you had to back to 1978 to try and prove me wrong? Which you didn't by the way because MOVE was a whole different set of circumstances. But I'm glad you brought it up, because MOVE didn't garner nearly the attention that Waco did, nor did it create a large backlash against government the way Waco did, I'm guessing because it was a few troublesome blacks. You guys try to dismiss racism in EVERY instance and you can't do it.

 

[Greggity]

once again you're wrong. The authorities surrounded Koresh and tried for several weeks to negotiate a peaceful solution to that standoff. If Koresh and his people had been black, there would have been a raid within 24 hours.

That was easy.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE

They got a year to get out. On August 8, 1978, an end was negotiated to an almost year-long standoff with police over orders to vacate the Powelton Village MOVE house.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

you had to back to 1978 to try and prove me wrong? Which you didn't by the way because MOVE was a whole different set of circumstances. But I'm glad you brought it up, because MOVE didn't garner nearly the attention that Waco did, nor did it create a large backlash against government the way Waco did, I'm guessing because it was a few troublesome blacks.You guys try to dismiss racism in EVERY instance and you can't do it.

You spend too much time looking for racism instead of looking at the actions and behavior of the individual....

 

[jon_mx]

once again you're wrong. The authorities surrounded Koresh and tried for several weeks to negotiate a peaceful solution to that standoff. If Koresh and his people had been black, there would have been a raid within 24 hours.

That was easy.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE

They got a year to get out. On August 8, 1978, an end was negotiated to an almost year-long standoff with police over orders to vacate the Powelton Village MOVE house.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

you had to back to 1978 to try and prove me wrong? Which you didn't by the way because MOVE was a whole different set of circumstances. But I'm glad you brought it up, because MOVE didn't garner nearly the attention that Waco did, nor did it create a large backlash against government the way Waco did, I'm guessing because it was a few troublesome blacks.You guys try to dismiss racism in EVERY instance and you can't do it.

Your example was from over 20 years ago.

 

[timschochet]

Also Peens, thanks for bringing up death row. Black people represent just under 12% of the total population in this country, yet 41% of those on death row are black. That's why many people consider the death penalty to be racist in application.

 

[StrikeS2k]

Also Peens, thanks for bringing up death row. Black people represent just under 12% of the total population in this country, yet 41% of those on death row are black. That's why many people consider the death penalty to be racist in application.

What is the percentage of white people on death row versus white people arrested, compared to the same numbers for blacks? We know that blacks get arrested in higher numbers than whites. Therefore, it would make sense that there would be a higher percentage on death row, just as there are in gen pop.

 

[jon_mx]

Also Peens, thanks for bringing up death row. Black people represent just under 12% of the total population in this country, yet 41% of those on death row are black. That's why many people consider the death penalty to be racist in application.

If it did not match crime statistics for murder there might be a point there. Given the murder stats, the death penalty seems to be dished out rather fairly.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Also Peens, thanks for bringing up death row. Black people represent just under 12% of the total population in this country, yet 41% of those on death row are black. That's why many people consider the death penalty to be racist in application.

Men make up 49% of the US Population, yet make up 98% of Death Row inmates.

 

[timschochet]

Also Peens, thanks for bringing up death row. Black people represent just under 12% of the total population in this country, yet 41% of those on death row are black. That's why many people consider the death penalty to be racist in application.

What is the percentage of white people on death row versus white people arrested, compared to the same numbers for blacks? We know that blacks get arrested in higher numbers than whites. Therefore, it would make sense that there would be a higher percentage on death row, just as there are in gen pop.

And that's partly due to racism as well.

 

[lod01]

once again you're wrong. The authorities surrounded Koresh and tried for several weeks to negotiate a peaceful solution to that standoff. If Koresh and his people had been black, there would have been a raid within 24 hours.

That was easy.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE

They got a year to get out. On August 8, 1978, an end was negotiated to an almost year-long standoff with police over orders to vacate the Powelton Village MOVE house.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

you had to back to 1978 to try and prove me wrong? Which you didn't by the way because MOVE was a whole different set of circumstances. But I'm glad you brought it up, because MOVE didn't garner nearly the attention that Waco did, nor did it create a large backlash against government the way Waco did, I'm guessing because it was a few troublesome blacks.You guys try to dismiss racism in EVERY instance and you can't do it.

Your example was from over 20 years ago.

Yeah? So was Koresh. What' is your point? Tim has ZERO evidence to back up his claim that these other dudes would have been dead within 24 hours if they were black. He's just blabbering pure manure with nothing to back it up.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

I have a solution.......Why don't state or local government offer free tuition to a police academy for black males/females (if qualified) with an agreement that once they complete their training they are required to serve for whatever departments they are most needed for a certain period of time...say 5 years.

 

[matttyl]

Johnson also said that Brown was shot in the back - which didn't happen. Johnson also has warrants out for him and is on camera with Brown in the robbery just before the shooting. I'm not taking much of what he says at face value, but had he said that there was a scuffle that would be very telling.

Not really.

Which part?

"Wilson exited the vehicle, after which he fired a second shot, striking Brown in the back, according to Johnson."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Michael_Brown#Dorian_Johnson

The bolded.

From scuffle at the car to dead in the street is not a linear progression IMHO.

Brown pushes Wilsons hands away and runs off is a lot less damning for Brown

than

Brown grabbing Wilsons shirt, banging his head repeatedly against the door and runs off

Both could be described as scuffles.

So there are scuffles, and then there are scuffles.

I'm BTW not advocating either scenario.

Neither of those takes anywhere close to 3 minutes, though. And neither of them (likely) produce enough noise for neighbors to come see what was going on.

 

[Greggity]

Also Peens, thanks for bringing up death row. Black people represent just under 12% of the total population in this country, yet 41% of those on death row are black. That's why many people consider the death penalty to be racist in application.

What is the percentage of white people on death row versus white people arrested, compared to the same numbers for blacks? We know that blacks get arrested in higher numbers than whites. Therefore, it would make sense that there would be a higher percentage on death row, just as there are in gen pop.

I dont get caught up or care about "numbers", if more black people are committing violent crimes then whites then they should be more on death row? Just using common sense here.....

 

[lod01]

once again you're wrong. The authorities surrounded Koresh and tried for several weeks to negotiate a peaceful solution to that standoff. If Koresh and his people had been black, there would have been a raid within 24 hours.

That was easy.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE

They got a year to get out. On August 8, 1978, an end was negotiated to an almost year-long standoff with police over orders to vacate the Powelton Village MOVE house.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

you had to back to 1978 to try and prove me wrong? Which you didn't by the way because MOVE was a whole different set of circumstances. But I'm glad you brought it up, because MOVE didn't garner nearly the attention that Waco did, nor did it create a large backlash against government the way Waco did, I'm guessing because it was a few troublesome blacks.You guys try to dismiss racism in EVERY instance and you can't do it.

Note that you had no response to the unarmed white guy that was shot by the cop because it didn't fit your agenda. That one happened this month and made you look ridiculously uninformed.

 

[Greggity]

once again you're wrong. The authorities surrounded Koresh and tried for several weeks to negotiate a peaceful solution to that standoff. If Koresh and his people had been black, there would have been a raid within 24 hours.

That was easy.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE

They got a year to get out. On August 8, 1978, an end was negotiated to an almost year-long standoff with police over orders to vacate the Powelton Village MOVE house.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

you had to back to 1978 to try and prove me wrong? Which you didn't by the way because MOVE was a whole different set of circumstances. But I'm glad you brought it up, because MOVE didn't garner nearly the attention that Waco did, nor did it create a large backlash against government the way Waco did, I'm guessing because it was a few troublesome blacks.You guys try to dismiss racism in EVERY instance and you can't do it.

Note that you had no response to the unarmed white guy that was shot by the cop because it didn't fit your agenda. That one happened this month and made you look ridiculously uninformed.

I bet the white, meth head kid deserved it just like that guy in ferguson. If you want to act like a lawless fool dont be shocked when a cop puts a bullett in ya.....

 

[msommer]

Johnson also said that Brown was shot in the back - which didn't happen. Johnson also has warrants out for him and is on camera with Brown in the robbery just before the shooting. I'm not taking much of what he says at face value, but had he said that there was a scuffle that would be very telling.

Not really.

Which part?

"Wilson exited the vehicle, after which he fired a second shot, striking Brown in the back, according to Johnson."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Michael_Brown#Dorian_Johnson

The bolded.

From scuffle at the car to dead in the street is not a linear progression IMHO.

Brown pushes Wilsons hands away and runs off is a lot less damning for Brown

than

Brown grabbing Wilsons shirt, banging his head repeatedly against the door and runs off

Both could be described as scuffles.

So there are scuffles, and then there are scuffles.

I'm BTW not advocating either scenario.

Neither of those takes anywhere close to 3 minutes, though. And neither of them (likely) produce enough noise for neighbors to come see what was going on.

Shouting?

And I believe it is a 'less than three minute' timeline that did not start with 'scuffle'

Was the time line confirmed by someone?

 

[matttyl]

Is this true?

@conradhackett: Deaths from police shootings (latest available year)

US 409

Germany 8

Britain 0

Japan 0

http://t.co/zGT8ZNbTq0 http://t.co/afJhJfBefe

This doesn't seem abnormal to me at all. When you consider that about 30 cops get shot a year I would expect a correlation to attacks on cops to shot people by cops.

It looks like you get a roughly 10 to 1 correlation to shot people to shot cops. I would think that trained armored police would win shootouts much more often than the public and of course the incorrect reads by officers.

Here is the links to shop cops from the last couple of years

http://www.odmp.org/search/year?year=2013

http://reason.com/blog/2012/06/11/seventy-two-cops-were-shot-and-killed-in

Anyone want to try to find out the racial break down of cop killers?

That first link shows 67 police officers killed in the line of duty already this year (which also is apparently about the same as last year at this time). That works out to about 100 over a full calendar year. No idea it was that high.

 

[matttyl]

Also Peens, thanks for bringing up death row. Black people represent just under 12% of the total population in this country, yet 41% of those on death row are black. That's why many people consider the death penalty to be racist in application.

Honestly, with the following information, I'm surprised it isn't higher...

"According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and Native Americans and Asians 2.2%. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher. Most murders were intraracial, with 84% of white homicide victims murdered by whites, and 93% of black victims murdered by blacks."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

Edit to add: And it looks like the trend will continue (same source)...

"According to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, in the year 2008 black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58.5% of youth arrests for homicide and 67% for robbery. Black youths were overrepresented in all offense categories except DUI, liquor laws and drunkenness."

 

[jon_mx]

Blacks only represent 12% of the population, but are responsible for 93% of murdered blacks.

 

[msommer]

Is this true?

@conradhackett: Deaths from police shootings (latest available year)

US 409

Germany 8

Britain 0

Japan 0

http://t.co/zGT8ZNbTq0 http://t.co/afJhJfBefe

This doesn't seem abnormal to me at all. When you consider that about 30 cops get shot a year I would expect a correlation to attacks on cops to shot people by cops.

It looks like you get a roughly 10 to 1 correlation to shot people to shot cops. I would think that trained armored police would win shootouts much more often than the public and of course the incorrect reads by officers.

Here is the links to shop cops from the last couple of years

http://www.odmp.org/search/year?year=2013

http://reason.com/blog/2012/06/11/seventy-two-cops-were-shot-and-killed-in

Anyone want to try to find out the racial break down of cop killers?

That first link shows 67 police officers killed in the line of duty already this year (which also is apparently about the same as last year at this time). That works out to about 100 over a full calendar year. No idea it was that high.

Lots of accidents and heart attacks included

 

[matttyl]

That first link shows 67 police officers killed in the line of duty already this year (which also is apparently about the same as last year at this time). That works out to about 100 over a full calendar year. No idea it was that high.

Lots of accidents and heart attacks included

Yes, 10 heart attacks, and some K9 officers are included as well. As for accidents is it better to run over a police officer than to shoot him? You're still charged with murder either way, correct?

That said there have already been 27 by firearms this year, an increase of 42% over this time last year. We're on pace for 40-50 this year.

 

[Jim11]

Also Peens, thanks for bringing up death row. Black people represent just under 12% of the total population in this country, yet 41% of those on death row are black. That's why many people consider the death penalty to be racist in application.

Honestly, with the following information, I'm surprised it isn't higher...

"According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and Native Americans and Asians 2.2%. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher. Most murders were intraracial, with 84% of white homicide victims murdered by whites, and 93% of black victims murdered by blacks."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

Edit to add: And it looks like the trend will continue (same source)...

"According to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, in the year 2008 black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58.5% of youth arrests for homicide and 67% for robbery. Black youths were overrepresented in all offense categories except DUI, liquor laws and drunkenness."

Don't try to impress Tim with facts. That won't ever work.

 

[StrikeS2k]

Also Peens, thanks for bringing up death row. Black people represent just under 12% of the total population in this country, yet 41% of those on death row are black. That's why many people consider the death penalty to be racist in application.

What is the percentage of white people on death row versus white people arrested, compared to the same numbers for blacks? We know that blacks get arrested in higher numbers than whites. Therefore, it would make sense that there would be a higher percentage on death row, just as there are in gen pop.

And that's partly due to racism as well.

That's a totally different discussion. We're talking about once a person has been arrested and is in the system. If the percentage of blacks on death row versus blacks arrested is similar to the percentage of whites on death row versus whites arrested then I don't see the problem. Can you supply an answer to those questions or not?

 

[Greggity]

Blacks only represent 12% of the population, but are responsible for 93% of murdered blacks.

Thats a bit of reverse racism id say.....

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

I have a solution.......Why don't state or local government offer free tuition to a police academy for black males/females (if qualified) with an agreement that once they complete their training they are required to serve for whatever departments they are most needed for a certain period of time...say 5 years.

Works for the military.

 

[kentric]

Is this true?

@conradhackett: Deaths from police shootings (latest available year)

US 409

Germany 8

Britain 0

Japan 0

http://t.co/zGT8ZNbTq0 http://t.co/afJhJfBefe

Wiki said US was at 313 apparently, and that was from all types (not just shootings). So no, I don't think the above is true.

Actually there's no reliable data, which is insane if you think about it. According to this guy the 2011 data was 1,146 shot and 607 killed.

Its difficult to imagine that over 50% of police shootings result in death. Seems rather high.

 

[kentric]

At first I didn't get the Bundy analogy and I argued against it here. But I was wrong ; it's very valid. Can you imagine what would have happened if the Bundy people had all been black? No question in my mind they'd all be dead or in prison.

I'm sure there's no question in your mind Tim. Big question in my mind. Every situation is different.

 

[Greggity]

Is this true?

@conradhackett: Deaths from police shootings (latest available year)

US 409

Germany 8

Britain 0

Japan 0

http://t.co/zGT8ZNbTq0 http://t.co/afJhJfBefe

Wiki said US was at 313 apparently, and that was from all types (not just shootings). So no, I don't think the above is true.

Actually there's no reliable data, which is insane if you think about it. According to this guy the 2011 data was 1,146 shot and 607 killed.

Its difficult to imagine that over 50% of police shootings result in death. Seems rather high.

Makes sense to me. Im sure they are taught "shoot to kill" if you are going to actually draw your weapon.....

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Is this true?

@conradhackett: Deaths from police shootings (latest available year)

US 409

Germany 8

Britain 0

Japan 0

http://t.co/zGT8ZNbTq0 http://t.co/afJhJfBefe

Wiki said US was at 313 apparently, and that was from all types (not just shootings). So no, I don't think the above is true.

Actually there's no reliable data, which is insane if you think about it. According to this guy the 2011 data was 1,146 shot and 607 killed.

Its difficult to imagine that over 50% of police shootings result in death. Seems rather high.

Not if they are unloading full clips like they seem to do.

 

[msommer]

That first link shows 67 police officers killed in the line of duty already this year (which also is apparently about the same as last year at this time). That works out to about 100 over a full calendar year. No idea it was that high.

Lots of accidents and heart attacks included

Yes, 10 heart attacks, and some K9 officers are included as well. As for accidents is it better to run over a police officer than to shoot him? You're still charged with murder either way, correct?

That said there have already been 27 by firearms this year, an increase of 42% over this time last year. We're on pace for 40-50 this year.

I think the ones that are termed accidents are probably accidents. The ones termed struck by vehicle are possibly less so.

I almost added to that statistic in April when some doofus police officer stepped out in front of my car, he was trying to help a lady getting out of a parking lot, so he just stepped into traffic and raised his hand. Damn near ran him over. He wasn't happy, but then again I'm white

 

[kentric]

That first link shows 67 police officers killed in the line of duty already this year (which also is apparently about the same as last year at this time). That works out to about 100 over a full calendar year. No idea it was that high.

Lots of accidents and heart attacks included

Yes, 10 heart attacks, and some K9 officers are included as well. As for accidents is it better to run over a police officer than to shoot him? You're still charged with murder either way, correct?

That said there have already been 27 by firearms this year, an increase of 42% over this time last year. We're on pace for 40-50 this year.

I think the ones that are termed accidents are probably accidents. The ones termed struck by vehicle are possibly less so.

I almost added to that statistic in April when some doofus police officer stepped out in front of my car, he was trying to help a lady getting out of a parking lot, so he just stepped into traffic and raised his hand. Damn near ran him over. He wasn't happy, but then again I'm white

Tim. Tell him what happened to the last black guy who did that.

 

[lod01]

That first link shows 67 police officers killed in the line of duty already this year (which also is apparently about the same as last year at this time). That works out to about 100 over a full calendar year. No idea it was that high.

Lots of accidents and heart attacks included

Yes, 10 heart attacks, and some K9 officers are included as well. As for accidents is it better to run over a police officer than to shoot him? You're still charged with murder either way, correct?

That said there have already been 27 by firearms this year, an increase of 42% over this time last year. We're on pace for 40-50 this year.

I think the ones that are termed accidents are probably accidents. The ones termed struck by vehicle are possibly less so.

I almost added to that statistic in April when some doofus police officer stepped out in front of my car, he was trying to help a lady getting out of a parking lot, so he just stepped into traffic and raised his hand. Damn near ran him over. He wasn't happy, but then again I'm white

Tim. Tell him what happened to the last black guy who did that.

Worthy of a double.

 

[matttyl]

Also Peens, thanks for bringing up death row. Black people represent just under 12% of the total population in this country, yet 41% of those on death row are black. That's why many people consider the death penalty to be racist in application.

Honestly, with the following information, I'm surprised it isn't higher...

"According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and Native Americans and Asians 2.2%. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher. Most murders were intraracial, with 84% of white homicide victims murdered by whites, and 93% of black victims murdered by blacks."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

Edit to add: And it looks like the trend will continue (same source)...

"According to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, in the year 2008 black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58.5% of youth arrests for homicide and 67% for robbery. Black youths were overrepresented in all offense categories except DUI, liquor laws and drunkenness."

Maybe my math is off here (and please correct me if it is), but...

If black people represent just under 12% of the population, and make up 52.5% of homicide offenders....meaning that the other 88% of the population makes up the remaining 47.5%.....so do black people commit, on average, ~7.5x as many homicides?

And if black youths who make up 16% of the youth population account for 67% of robberies by youths...meaning that the other 84% of the youth population makes up the remaining 33%...so are black youths committing, on average, ~11x as many robberies?

Tim, any comment?