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[timschochet]

Also Peens, thanks for bringing up death row. Black people represent just under 12% of the total population in this country, yet 41% of those on death row are black. That's why many people consider the death penalty to be racist in application.

What is the percentage of white people on death row versus white people arrested, compared to the same numbers for blacks? We know that blacks get arrested in higher numbers than whites. Therefore, it would make sense that there would be a higher percentage on death row, just as there are in gen pop.

And that's partly due to racism as well.

That's a totally different discussion. We're talking about once a person has been arrested and is in the system. If the percentage of blacks on death row versus blacks arrested is similar to the percentage of whites on death row versus whites arrested then I don't see the problem. Can you supply an answer to those questions or not?

Sorry it took a long time to respond, been busy working.

This will be my last response on this subject in this thread, as I don't intend to hijack the thread, and it properly belongs in another thread. I disagree with the premise in your first sentence- it is NOT a totally different discussion. My contention is that racism exists all down the line. It exists in terms of how many blacks are arrested. It exists in terms of the type of sentencing that occurs for blacks. It exists in terms of how many blacks are sentenced to death vs. how many whites for similar crimes. It exists in terms of how many blacks on death row are actually executed, vs. how many whites. It's all linked, all has to do with the same discussion. There are plenty of facts and figures available for you to look at. Here is a link to some, in case you're interested:

http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=54

 

[lod01]

Also Peens, thanks for bringing up death row. Black people represent just under 12% of the total population in this country, yet 41% of those on death row are black. That's why many people consider the death penalty to be racist in application.

Honestly, with the following information, I'm surprised it isn't higher...

"According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and Native Americans and Asians 2.2%. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher. Most murders were intraracial, with 84% of white homicide victims murdered by whites, and 93% of black victims murdered by blacks."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

Edit to add: And it looks like the trend will continue (same source)...

"According to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, in the year 2008 black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58.5% of youth arrests for homicide and 67% for robbery. Black youths were overrepresented in all offense categories except DUI, liquor laws and drunkenness."

Maybe my math is off here (and please correct me if it is), but...

If black people represent just under 12% of the population, and make up 52.5% of homicide offenders....meaning that the other 88% of the population makes up the remaining 47.5%.....so do black people commit, on average, ~7.5x as many homicides?

And if black youths who make up 16% of the youth population account for 67% of robberies by youths...meaning that the other 84% of the youth population makes up the remaining 33%...so are black youths committing, on average, ~11x as many robberies?

Tim, any comment?

He's regrouping right now. This latest beat down he's received has been epic.

 

[timschochet]

Also Peens, thanks for bringing up death row. Black people represent just under 12% of the total population in this country, yet 41% of those on death row are black. That's why many people consider the death penalty to be racist in application.

Honestly, with the following information, I'm surprised it isn't higher...

"According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and Native Americans and Asians 2.2%. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher. Most murders were intraracial, with 84% of white homicide victims murdered by whites, and 93% of black victims murdered by blacks."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

Edit to add: And it looks like the trend will continue (same source)...

"According to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, in the year 2008 black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58.5% of youth arrests for homicide and 67% for robbery. Black youths were overrepresented in all offense categories except DUI, liquor laws and drunkenness."

Maybe my math is off here (and please correct me if it is), but...

If black people represent just under 12% of the population, and make up 52.5% of homicide offenders....meaning that the other 88% of the population makes up the remaining 47.5%.....so do black people commit, on average, ~7.5x as many homicides?

And if black youths who make up 16% of the youth population account for 67% of robberies by youths...meaning that the other 84% of the youth population makes up the remaining 33%...so are black youths committing, on average, ~11x as many robberies?

Tim, any comment?

See post #4151 and the attached link.

 

[Greggity]

Also Peens, thanks for bringing up death row. Black people represent just under 12% of the total population in this country, yet 41% of those on death row are black. That's why many people consider the death penalty to be racist in application.

Honestly, with the following information, I'm surprised it isn't higher...

"According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and Native Americans and Asians 2.2%. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher. Most murders were intraracial, with 84% of white homicide victims murdered by whites, and 93% of black victims murdered by blacks."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

Edit to add: And it looks like the trend will continue (same source)...

"According to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, in the year 2008 black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58.5% of youth arrests for homicide and 67% for robbery. Black youths were overrepresented in all offense categories except DUI, liquor laws and drunkenness."

Maybe my math is off here (and please correct me if it is), but...

If black people represent just under 12% of the population, and make up 52.5% of homicide offenders....meaning that the other 88% of the population makes up the remaining 47.5%.....so do black people commit, on average, ~7.5x as many homicides?

And if black youths who make up 16% of the youth population account for 67% of robberies by youths...meaning that the other 84% of the youth population makes up the remaining 33%...so are black youths committing, on average, ~11x as many robberies?

Tim, any comment?

According to Tim and Tobias Funkaaaaay they arent committing any crimes. They are being set up by the racist police....

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

Also Peens, thanks for bringing up death row. Black people represent just under 12% of the total population in this country, yet 41% of those on death row are black. That's why many people consider the death penalty to be racist in application.

Honestly, with the following information, I'm surprised it isn't higher...

"According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and Native Americans and Asians 2.2%. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher. Most murders were intraracial, with 84% of white homicide victims murdered by whites, and 93% of black victims murdered by blacks."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

Edit to add: And it looks like the trend will continue (same source)...

"According to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, in the year 2008 black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58.5% of youth arrests for homicide and 67% for robbery. Black youths were overrepresented in all offense categories except DUI, liquor laws and drunkenness."

Maybe my math is off here (and please correct me if it is), but...

If black people represent just under 12% of the population, and make up 52.5% of homicide offenders....meaning that the other 88% of the population makes up the remaining 47.5%.....so do black people commit, on average, ~7.5x as many homicides?

And if black youths who make up 16% of the youth population account for 67% of robberies by youths...meaning that the other 84% of the youth population makes up the remaining 33%...so are black youths committing, on average, ~11x as many robberies?

Tim, any comment?

According to Tim and Tobias Funkaaaaay they arent committing any crimes. They are being set up by the racist police....

silliness

 

[Greggity]

Also Peens, thanks for bringing up death row. Black people represent just under 12% of the total population in this country, yet 41% of those on death row are black. That's why many people consider the death penalty to be racist in application.

Honestly, with the following information, I'm surprised it isn't higher...

"According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and Native Americans and Asians 2.2%. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher. Most murders were intraracial, with 84% of white homicide victims murdered by whites, and 93% of black victims murdered by blacks."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

Edit to add: And it looks like the trend will continue (same source)...

"According to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, in the year 2008 black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58.5% of youth arrests for homicide and 67% for robbery. Black youths were overrepresented in all offense categories except DUI, liquor laws and drunkenness."

Maybe my math is off here (and please correct me if it is), but...

If black people represent just under 12% of the population, and make up 52.5% of homicide offenders....meaning that the other 88% of the population makes up the remaining 47.5%.....so do black people commit, on average, ~7.5x as many homicides?

And if black youths who make up 16% of the youth population account for 67% of robberies by youths...meaning that the other 84% of the youth population makes up the remaining 33%...so are black youths committing, on average, ~11x as many robberies?

Tim, any comment?

According to Tim and Tobias Funkaaaaay they arent committing any crimes. They are being set up by the racist police....

silliness

Your screen name makes me laugh, you should call yourself "Jerseysissyboys".....

 

[StrikeS2k]

Also Peens, thanks for bringing up death row. Black people represent just under 12% of the total population in this country, yet 41% of those on death row are black. That's why many people consider the death penalty to be racist in application.

What is the percentage of white people on death row versus white people arrested, compared to the same numbers for blacks? We know that blacks get arrested in higher numbers than whites. Therefore, it would make sense that there would be a higher percentage on death row, just as there are in gen pop.

And that's partly due to racism as well.

That's a totally different discussion. We're talking about once a person has been arrested and is in the system. If the percentage of blacks on death row versus blacks arrested is similar to the percentage of whites on death row versus whites arrested then I don't see the problem. Can you supply an answer to those questions or not?

Sorry it took a long time to respond, been busy working.

This will be my last response on this subject in this thread, as I don't intend to hijack the thread, and it properly belongs in another thread. I disagree with the premise in your first sentence- it is NOT a totally different discussion. My contention is that racism exists all down the line. It exists in terms of how many blacks are arrested. It exists in terms of the type of sentencing that occurs for blacks. It exists in terms of how many blacks are sentenced to death vs. how many whites for similar crimes. It exists in terms of how many blacks on death row are actually executed, vs. how many whites. It's all linked, all has to do with the same discussion. There are plenty of facts and figures available for you to look at. Here is a link to some, in case you're interested:

http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=54

I'm gonna use one of your favorite tactics here Tim. I'm not wasting my time looking at a link to a clearly biased organization. From their about page:

Founded in 1988, Death Penalty Focus is committed to the abolition of the death penalty through public education, grassroots organizing and political advocacy,

media outreach, and domestic and international coalition building. We believe that the death penalty is an ineffective, cruel, and simplistic response to the serious and complex problem of violent crime. It institutionalizes discrimination against the poor and people of color, diverts attention and financial resources away from preventative measures that would actually increase public safety, risks the execution of innocent people, and does not deter crime.

Sorry, they have no credibility. See how that works?

 

[matttyl]

Also Peens, thanks for bringing up death row. Black people represent just under 12% of the total population in this country, yet 41% of those on death row are black. That's why many people consider the death penalty to be racist in application.

Honestly, with the following information, I'm surprised it isn't higher...

"According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and Native Americans and Asians 2.2%. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher. Most murders were intraracial, with 84% of white homicide victims murdered by whites, and 93% of black victims murdered by blacks."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

Edit to add: And it looks like the trend will continue (same source)...

"According to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, in the year 2008 black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58.5% of youth arrests for homicide and 67% for robbery. Black youths were overrepresented in all offense categories except DUI, liquor laws and drunkenness."

Maybe my math is off here (and please correct me if it is), but...

If black people represent just under 12% of the population, and make up 52.5% of homicide offenders....meaning that the other 88% of the population makes up the remaining 47.5%.....so do black people commit, on average, ~7.5x as many homicides?

And if black youths who make up 16% of the youth population account for 67% of robberies by youths...meaning that the other 84% of the youth population makes up the remaining 33%...so are black youths committing, on average, ~11x as many robberies?

Tim, any comment?

See post #4151 and the attached link.

So are you saying that the numbers from the Dept. of Justice and the FBI unified crime reports are wrong? Shouldn't the race of those on death row correlate to the race of those committing homicides? (are any other crimes punishable by death?). If so, then if anything the number of black people on death row are too low.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

Also Peens, thanks for bringing up death row. Black people represent just under 12% of the total population in this country, yet 41% of those on death row are black. That's why many people consider the death penalty to be racist in application.

Honestly, with the following information, I'm surprised it isn't higher...

"According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and Native Americans and Asians 2.2%. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher. Most murders were intraracial, with 84% of white homicide victims murdered by whites, and 93% of black victims murdered by blacks."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

Edit to add: And it looks like the trend will continue (same source)...

"According to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, in the year 2008 black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58.5% of youth arrests for homicide and 67% for robbery. Black youths were overrepresented in all offense categories except DUI, liquor laws and drunkenness."

Maybe my math is off here (and please correct me if it is), but...

If black people represent just under 12% of the population, and make up 52.5% of homicide offenders....meaning that the other 88% of the population makes up the remaining 47.5%.....so do black people commit, on average, ~7.5x as many homicides?

And if black youths who make up 16% of the youth population account for 67% of robberies by youths...meaning that the other 84% of the youth population makes up the remaining 33%...so are black youths committing, on average, ~11x as many robberies?

Tim, any comment?

According to Tim and Tobias Funkaaaaay they arent committing any crimes. They are being set up by the racist police....

silliness

Your screen name makes me laugh, you should call yourself "Jerseysissyboys".....

awesome. thanks!

 

[Gary Coal Man]

Also Peens, thanks for bringing up death row. Black people represent just under 12% of the total population in this country, yet 41% of those on death row are black. That's why many people consider the death penalty to be racist in application.

Honestly, with the following information, I'm surprised it isn't higher..."According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and Native Americans and Asians 2.2%. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher. Most murders were intraracial, with 84% of white homicide victims murdered by whites, and 93% of black victims murdered by blacks."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

Edit to add: And it looks like the trend will continue (same source)...

"According to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, in the year 2008 black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58.5% of youth arrests for homicide and 67% for robbery. Black youths were overrepresented in all offense categories except DUI, liquor laws and drunkenness."

Maybe my math is off here (and please correct me if it is), but...If black people represent just under 12% of the population, and make up 52.5% of homicide offenders....meaning that the other 88% of the population makes up the remaining 47.5%.....so do black people commit, on average, ~7.5x as many homicides?

And if black youths who make up 16% of the youth population account for 67% of robberies by youths...meaning that the other 84% of the youth population makes up the remaining 33%...so are black youths committing, on average, ~11x as many robberies?

Tim, any comment?

There was a video floating around the internet yesterday that crunched the numbers:http://www.truthrevolt.org/videos/bill-whittle-ferguson-and-real-race-war

 

[timschochet]

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/a-bunch-of-terrible-people-have-raised-over-130-000-fo-1625106827

Some of the comments by those contributing $50 or more to the Darren Wilson defense fund (so far, they've raised $140,000.):

Waste of good ammo.

He should not be crucified because a black man instigated his own death.

I am so sick of the blacks using every excuse to loot and riot.

Wake up White America!

You are protecting normal Americans from entitled, aggressive, primitive savages.

All self-respecting whites have a moral responsibility to protect our growing number of martyrs to the failed experiment called diversity.

The real America is with you!!! (This guy donated $250.00).

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

at the comments.

jeebus

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

scary, it's like Tim's in my brain!~!@~!@

 

[TobiasFunke]

FWIW, those who argue for a racial bias in death penalty sentencing usually consider the race of the victim to be a bigger variable than the race of the defendant. Apparently a black person who kills a white person might as well strap themselves in to the chair as soon as the jury says "guilty," whereas anyone who kills a black person is in good shape regardless of their own race. Link Another link

Basically the idea is that judges and juries don't consider black lives to be nearly as valuable as white lives.

Carry on.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

at the comments.

jeebus

more comments...

 

[kentric]

at the comments.

jeebus

more comments...

Hell. Saw 200 more ultra-conservative, racist comments on a yahoo thread today and the thread was on how to effectively prune trees.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

at the comments.

jeebus

more comments...

Hell. Saw 200 more ultra-conservative, racist comments on a yahoo thread today and the thread was on how to effectively prune trees.

Did Hitler chime in over there too?

(you didn't read any from the second, did you?)

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Is this true?

@conradhackett: Deaths from police shootings (latest available year)

US 409

Germany 8

Britain 0

Japan 0

http://t.co/zGT8ZNbTq0 http://t.co/afJhJfBefe

The numbers are skewed and misleading because those other countries don't shave nearly as many black people for their officers to shoot.

The black people in the UK, Germany and even sweden probably arent the looting, gangsta type either.You guys seem to be hung up on the persons skin color when in reality its a "behavior and attitude" issue thats the problem.....

that must be why all the Bundy idiots are dead.

I have no idea what the hell this means?

all the followers of Cliven Bundy the rancher, refusing to leave public property, yelling names and dirty words at the police, pointing AR-15s at the cops and threatening to fire. A bunch of old, idiot white rednecks. And they weren't arrested, much less shot at. Why is that?

Being white didnt seem to help david koresh and his followers in Waco much now did it? I dont know a thing about Bundy so i cant really comment....Its a behavior, attitude and total disregard for law that is a problem, i dont see it as a white or black problem since both sides seem to have plenty of criminals that are caught/incarcerated and killed every day....

once again you're wrong. The authorities surrounded Koresh and tried for several weeks to negotiate a peaceful solution to that standoff. If Koresh and his people had been black, there would have been a raid within 24 hours.

FYI over 1/2 of Koresh's 'people' were minorities. Of the minorities, about 2/3 were blaaaaaaaack.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/a-bunch-of-terrible-people-have-raised-over-130-000-fo-1625106827

Some of the comments by those contributing $50 or more to the Darren Wilson defense fund (so far, they've raised $140,000.):



the failed experiment called diversity.

Can't argue with this one.

 

[Christo]

once again you're wrong. The authorities surrounded Koresh and tried for several weeks to negotiate a peaceful solution to that standoff. If Koresh and his people had been black, there would have been a raid within 24 hours.

That was easy.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE

They got a year to get out. On August 8, 1978, an end was negotiated to an almost year-long standoff with police over orders to vacate the Powelton Village MOVE house.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

you had to back to 1978 to try and prove me wrong? Which you didn't by the way because MOVE was a whole different set of circumstances. But I'm glad you brought it up, because MOVE didn't garner nearly the attention that Waco did, nor did it create a large backlash against government the way Waco did, I'm guessing because it was a few troublesome blacks.You guys try to dismiss racism in EVERY instance and you can't do it.

Your example was from over 20 years ago.

And it's not like that type of situation happens every other weekend.

 

[Christo]

Also Peens, thanks for bringing up death row. Black people represent just under 12% of the total population in this country, yet 41% of those on death row are black. That's why many people consider the death penalty to be racist in application.

Men make up 49% of the US Population, yet make up 98% of Death Row inmates.

SEXISM!

 

[jon_mx]

FWIW, those who argue for a racial bias in death penalty sentencing usually consider the race of the victim to be a bigger variable than the race of the defendant. Apparently a black person who kills a white person might as well strap themselves in to the chair as soon as the jury says "guilty," whereas anyone who kills a black person is in good shape regardless of their own race. Link Another link

Basically the idea is that judges and juries don't consider black lives to be nearly as valuable as white lives.

Carry on.

Really not that far off the racial makeup of the US.... 77% vs. 72% for whites and 15% vs. 13% for blacks. Hispanics are the ones getting shortchanged, not blacks at 15% vs. 6%.

 

[lod01]

Also Peens, thanks for bringing up death row. Black people represent just under 12% of the total population in this country, yet 41% of those on death row are black. That's why many people consider the death penalty to be racist in application.

Sounds like a race that needs to look at itself in the mirror, doesn't it? Or maybe whitey gets away with stuff, huh? I bet that's what you think.

 

[urbanhack]

Also Peens, thanks for bringing up death row. Black people represent just under 12% of the total population in this country, yet 41% of those on death row are black. That's why many people consider the death penalty to be racist in application.

Sounds like a race that needs to look at itself in the mirror, doesn't it? Or maybe whitey gets away with stuff, huh? I bet that's what you think.

So you think people's behavior is directly linked to the pigment of their skin or their genetic make up? Are you going to give a mirror to Arizona Ron?

 

[StrikeS2k]

FWIW, those who argue for a racial bias in death penalty sentencing usually consider the race of the victim to be a bigger variable than the race of the defendant. Apparently a black person who kills a white person might as well strap themselves in to the chair as soon as the jury says "guilty," whereas anyone who kills a black person is in good shape regardless of their own race. Link Another link

Basically the idea is that judges and juries don't consider black lives to be nearly as valuable as white lives.

Carry on.

This stuff is so not compelling. If an individual kills someone he/she shouldn't be surprised that they're sentenced to death. Whether someone else of a different race isn't for a similar crime doesn't change the fact that he/she did something that could get them such a sentence. If he/she doesn't want to be sentenced to death they shouldn't commit a crime with that as a possible sentence.

 

[Greggity]

Also Peens, thanks for bringing up death row. Black people represent just under 12% of the total population in this country, yet 41% of those on death row are black. That's why many people consider the death penalty to be racist in application.

Sounds like a race that needs to look at itself in the mirror, doesn't it? Or maybe whitey gets away with stuff, huh? I bet that's what you think.

So you think people's behavior is directly linked to the pigment of their skin or their genetic make up? Are you going to give a mirror to Arizona Ron?

No, I dont believe that. Its about making choices and being responsible for your actions. Ive met some very good minorities during my time in the military that shatter all the stereotypes. The excuses that white guilt keeps making for minorities is not doing them any favors, bro......

 

[urbanhack]

Also Peens, thanks for bringing up death row. Black people represent just under 12% of the total population in this country, yet 41% of those on death row are black. That's why many people consider the death penalty to be racist in application.

Sounds like a race that needs to look at itself in the mirror, doesn't it? Or maybe whitey gets away with stuff, huh? I bet that's what you think.

So you think people's behavior is directly linked to the pigment of their skin or their genetic make up? Are you going to give a mirror to Arizona Ron?

No, I dont believe that. Its about making choices and being responsible for your actions. Ive met some very good minorities during my time in the military that shatter all the stereotypes. The excuses that white guilt keeps making for minorities is not doing them any favors, bro......

Stay golden gaaaaryboy!

 

[Greggity]

Also Peens, thanks for bringing up death row. Black people represent just under 12% of the total population in this country, yet 41% of those on death row are black. That's why many people consider the death penalty to be racist in application.

Sounds like a race that needs to look at itself in the mirror, doesn't it? Or maybe whitey gets away with stuff, huh? I bet that's what you think.

So you think people's behavior is directly linked to the pigment of their skin or their genetic make up? Are you going to give a mirror to Arizona Ron?

No, I dont believe that. Its about making choices and being responsible for your actions. Ive met some very good minorities during my time in the military that shatter all the stereotypes. The excuses that white guilt keeps making for minorities is not doing them any favors, bro......

Stay golden gaaaaryboy!

I thought so....

 

[jon_mx]

FWIW, those who argue for a racial bias in death penalty sentencing usually consider the race of the victim to be a bigger variable than the race of the defendant. Apparently a black person who kills a white person might as well strap themselves in to the chair as soon as the jury says "guilty," whereas anyone who kills a black person is in good shape regardless of their own race. Link Another link

Basically the idea is that judges and juries don't consider black lives to be nearly as valuable as white lives.

Carry on.

Really not that far off the racial makeup of the US.... 77% vs. 72% for whites and 15% vs. 13% for blacks. Hispanics are the ones getting shortchanged, not blacks at 15% vs. 6%.

TB's stats don't match his outlandish rhetoric. But he ran off after his fishing trip.

 

[Henry Ford]

Why does Kevin Sorbo think it's a good idea to just post tirades that will obviously make people think he's a horrible racist?

 

[Henry Ford]

A National Lawyers Guild Legal Observer - who is in Ferguson solely to monitor police activity and provide legal services to protesters - was arrested last night while documenting police actions.

 

[Loan Sharks]

A National Lawyers Guild Legal Observer - who is in Ferguson solely to monitor police activity and provide legal services to protesters - was arrested last night while documenting police actions.

I normally don't criticize sources, but this account reads like a riveting study of scatology. Even coming from and organization "dedicated to protecting people of color".

Come on Henry you are better than this.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Can you imagine what would have happened if the Bundy people had all been black?

Sure, the media would have been pulling for them.

I think he means if they were pointing guns at law enforcement.

 

[Gary Coal Man]

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/a-bunch-of-terrible-people-have-raised-over-130-000-fo-1625106827

Some of the comments by those contributing $50 or more to the Darren Wilson defense fund (so far, they've raised $140,000.):



the failed experiment called diversity.

Tim, if you're constantly arguing that white people continue to exhibit institutional racism which keeps minorities down then, in a way, aren't you also suggesting that multiculturalism has failed so far?

 

[Henry Ford]

A National Lawyers Guild Legal Observer - who is in Ferguson solely to monitor police activity and provide legal services to protesters - was arrested last night while documenting police actions.

I normally don't criticize sources, but this account reads like a riveting study of scatology. Even coming from and organization "dedicated to protecting people of color".

Come on Henry you are better than this.

What? It's the National Lawyers Guild. He's a legal observer for that very old rights organization, and it has a video link

Would you rather an article about it from someone else?

CBS.

Chicago Tribune

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Eye Witness accounts common ground. (Wilson left his vehicle and pursued them. He fired at least six shots, fatally wounding Brown. Brown died approximately 35 feet from the police cruiser)

Dorian Johnson....Following the initial gunshot, Johnson stated that Brown was able to free himself, at which point the two fled. Wilson exited the vehicle, after which he fired a second shot, striking Brown in the back, according to Johnson. At that point, according to Johnson, Brown turned around with his hands in the air and said, "I don't have a gun. Stop shooting!" Wilson then shot Brown several more times, killing him James McKnight....James McKnight said he witnessed the shooting and that Brown held his hands in the air just after he turned to face Wilson. "I saw him stumble toward the officer, but not rush at him. The officer was about six or seven feet away from him," McKnight said Michael Brady.... Brown started running suddenly; he did not hear a gunshot or see what caused them to run. He also said he saw Wilson get out of the patrol car and "start walking briskly while firing on Brown as he fled". Brady then ran outside with his camera phone to record the event. By the time he got outside, Brown had turned around and was facing Wilson. Brown was "balled up" with his arms under his stomach and he was "halfway down" to the ground. As he was falling, Brown took one or two steps toward Wilson because he was presumably hit and was stumbling forward; Wilson then shot him three or four timesPiaget Crenshaw..... Wilson then chased Brown for about 20 feet before shooting him again. Crenshaw stated, "I saw the police chase him ... down the street and shoot him down." She added that when Brown then raised his arms, the officer shot him two more times, killing him.

Tiffany Mitchell.... After the first shot was fired, she said, Brown started to run away. "After the shot, the kid just breaks away. The cop follows him, kept shooting, the kid's body jerked as if he was hit. After his body jerked he turns around, puts his hands up, and the cop continues to walk up on him and continues to shoot until he goes all the way down," she said

 

[Loan Sharks]

A National Lawyers Guild Legal Observer - who is in Ferguson solely to monitor police activity and provide legal services to protesters - was arrested last night while documenting police actions.

I normally don't criticize sources, but this account reads like a riveting study of scatology. Even coming from and organization "dedicated to protecting people of color".

Come on Henry you are better than this.

What? It's the National Lawyers Guild. He's a legal observer for that very old rights organization, and it has a video link

Would you rather an article about it from someone else?

CBS.

Chicago Tribune

Yeah and why was he arrested?

Oh and linking to two articles that actually say "Chicago mans says Ferguson police are out of control" doesn't make the original any more believable.

So a partisan law student affiliated with a rights group was just standing around and crazy cops arrested him. Then they let him go.

When police are dispersing a crowd? How nefarious.

 

[Henry Ford]

A National Lawyers Guild Legal Observer - who is in Ferguson solely to monitor police activity and provide legal services to protesters - was arrested last night while documenting police actions.

I normally don't criticize sources, but this account reads like a riveting study of scatology. Even coming from and organization "dedicated to protecting people of color".

Come on Henry you are better than this.

What? It's the National Lawyers Guild. He's a legal observer for that very old rights organization, and it has a video link

Would you rather an article about it from someone else?

CBS.

Chicago Tribune

Yeah and why was he arrested?

Well, according to his mugshot, "refusal to disperse."

 

[Henry Ford]

The guy is clearly wearing a "Legal Observer" hat. This is sort of a big deal, Loan Sharks.

 

[Loan Sharks]

The guy is clearly wearing a "Legal Observer" hat. This is sort of a big deal, Loan Sharks.

I get that it is a big deal to lawyers. Pretty much confirms my initial reaction. Some cop who didn't know or didn't care about his green hat told him to move it and he refused to comply. They took him in and let him go. To me which is what I would expect if to happen if I entered a riot zone without a news crew van or something.

Let me guess this is a department conspiracy where they have been instructed to arrest all guys with green hats.

And I suppose all police departments are trained to recognize this baseball hat and some flatfoot missed it?

 

[StrikeS2k]

The guy is clearly wearing a "Legal Observer" hat. This is sort of a big deal, Loan Sharks.

So if I show up at a protest wearing a "Legal Observer" hat I can't be harassed? Good to know a simple hat has such power.

 

[Henry Ford]

The guy is clearly wearing a "Legal Observer" hat. This is sort of a big deal, Loan Sharks.

I get that it is a big deal to lawyers. Pretty much confirms my initial reaction. Some cop who didn't know or didn't care about his green hat told him to move it and he refused to comply. They took him in and let him go. To me which is what I would expect if to happen if I entered a riot zone without a news crew van or something.

Let me guess this is a department conspiracy where they have been instructed to arrest all guys with green hats.

Let me guess all police departments are trained to recognize this baseball hat and some flatfoot missed it?

You do a lot of guessing.

The fact that you don't know what a Legal Observer is doesn't mean it isn't an important thing. They've been around in protests for over 45 years, documenting police actions.

 

[Henry Ford]

The guy is clearly wearing a "Legal Observer" hat. This is sort of a big deal, Loan Sharks.

So if I show up at a protest wearing a "Legal Observer" hat I can't be harassed? Good to know a simple hat has such power.

Think of it like wearing a Red Cross uniform on a battlefield.

 

[StrikeS2k]

The guy is clearly wearing a "Legal Observer" hat. This is sort of a big deal, Loan Sharks.

So if I show up at a protest wearing a "Legal Observer" hat I can't be harassed? Good to know a simple hat has such power.

Think of it like wearing a Red Cross uniform on a battlefield.

Cool. Where do I order one? Will it also help when I'm pulled over so the cop thinks I'm being cooperative as he puts his finger up my bum?

 

[tom22406]

One reporter saying he won't go back to report on Ferguson

I will not be returning to Ferguson



Posted by ryanschuessler on August 21, 2014 · 197 Comments
I had been on the ground helping Al Jazeera America** cover the protests and unrest in Ferguson, Mo., since this all started last week. After what I saw last night, I will not be returning. The behavior and number of journalists there is so appalling, that I cannot in good conscience continue to be a part of the spectacle.

**A clarification edit: I am not a full-time employee of any Al Jazeera branch or network. I am a freelance journalist who contributes to several media platforms.

Things I’ve seen:

-Cameramen yelling at residents in public meetings for standing in way of their cameras

-Cameramen yelling at community leaders for stepping away from podium microphones to better talk to residents

-TV crews making small talk and laughing at the spot where Mike Brown was killed, as residents prayed, mourned

-A TV crew of a to-be-left-unnamed major cable network taking pieces out of a Ferguson business retaining wall to weigh down their tent

-Another major TV network renting out a gated parking lot for their one camera, not letting people in. Safely reporting the news on the other side of a tall fence.

-Journalists making the story about them

-National news correspondents glossing over the context and depth of this story, focusing instead on the sexy images of tear gas, rubber bullets, etc.

-One reporter who, last night, said he came to Ferguson as a “networking opportunity.” He later asked me to take a picture of him with Anderson Cooper.

One anecdote that stands out: as the TV cameras were doing their live shots in front of the one burnt-out building in the three-block stretch of “Ground Zero,” around the corner was a community food/goods drive. I heard one resident say: “Where are the cameras? I’m going to go see if I can find some people to film this.”

Last night a frustrated resident confronted me when he saw my camera: “Yall are down here photographing US, but who gets paid?!”

There are now hundreds of journalists from all over the world coming to Ferguson to film what has become a spectacle. I get the sense that many feel this is their career-maker. In the early days of all this, I was warmly greeted and approached by Ferguson residents. They were glad that journalists were there. The past two days, they do not even look at me and blatantly ignore me. I recognize that I am now just another journalist to them, and their frustration with us is clear. In the beginning there was a recognizable need for media presence, but this is the other extreme. They need time to work through this as a community, without the cameras.

We should all be ashamed, and I cannot do it anymore. I am thankful for my gracious editors who understand that.

http://ryanschuessler.com/2014/08/21/i-will-not-be-returning-to-ferguson/

 

[Henry Ford]

The guy is clearly wearing a "Legal Observer" hat. This is sort of a big deal, Loan Sharks.

So if I show up at a protest wearing a "Legal Observer" hat I can't be harassed? Good to know a simple hat has such power.

Think of it like wearing a Red Cross uniform on a battlefield.

Cool. Where do I order one?

First you get into law school. Then you go a series of trainings on what to do as a Legal Observer, whether as a law student or a lawyer. Then you get assigned to a protest, before which the NLG notifies the police precinct that there will be Legal Observers in attendance. I think they give you the hat as you all head out to the protest.

 

[Loan Sharks]

The guy is clearly wearing a "Legal Observer" hat. This is sort of a big deal, Loan Sharks.

I get that it is a big deal to lawyers. Pretty much confirms my initial reaction. Some cop who didn't know or didn't care about his green hat told him to move it and he refused to comply. They took him in and let him go. To me which is what I would expect if to happen if I entered a riot zone without a news crew van or something.

Let me guess this is a department conspiracy where they have been instructed to arrest all guys with green hats.

Let me guess all police departments are trained to recognize this baseball hat and some flatfoot missed it?

You do a lot of guessing.

The fact that you don't know what a Legal Observer is doesn't mean it isn't an important thing. They've been around in protests for over 45 years, documenting police actions.

And they do not have to comply with police requests, and all police are trained to recognize this designation?

So how is this a big deal? A cop asked a guy to disperse he refused, took him in and then let him go, right or wrong it what would you suggest for punishment?

Is a month suspension without pay.

Career ender?

written warning?

Put him behind a desk for a year?

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

 

[Henry Ford]

The guy is clearly wearing a "Legal Observer" hat. This is sort of a big deal, Loan Sharks.

I get that it is a big deal to lawyers. Pretty much confirms my initial reaction. Some cop who didn't know or didn't care about his green hat told him to move it and he refused to comply. They took him in and let him go. To me which is what I would expect if to happen if I entered a riot zone without a news crew van or something.

Let me guess this is a department conspiracy where they have been instructed to arrest all guys with green hats.

Let me guess all police departments are trained to recognize this baseball hat and some flatfoot missed it?

You do a lot of guessing.

The fact that you don't know what a Legal Observer is doesn't mean it isn't an important thing. They've been around in protests for over 45 years, documenting police actions.

And they do not have to comply with police requests, and all police are trained to recognize this designation?

So how is this a big deal? A cop asked a guy to disperse he refused, took him in and then let him go, right or wrong it what would you suggest for punishment?

Is a month suspension without pay.

Career ender?

written warning?

Put him behind a desk for a year?

You're very combative about this. Was the guy who arrested him related to you?

 

[StrikeS2k]

The guy is clearly wearing a "Legal Observer" hat. This is sort of a big deal, Loan Sharks.

So if I show up at a protest wearing a "Legal Observer" hat I can't be harassed? Good to know a simple hat has such power.

Think of it like wearing a Red Cross uniform on a battlefield.

Cool. Where do I order one?

First you get into law school. Then you go a series of trainings on what to do as a Legal Observer, whether as a law student or a lawyer. Then you get assigned to a protest, before which the NLG notifies the police precinct that there will be Legal Observers in attendance. I think they give you the hat as you all head out to the protest.

Are you saying that if I go out and buy a hat that says "legal observer" on it, without following the steps you outlined above, that I'm breaking a law? If not, why would I go through all that trouble when I can simply buy a hat?