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Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (2 Viewers)

Gary Coal Man said:
I read further in the comments on that Facebook post and saw that someone posted a link to the St. Louis Post Dispatch article about the incident:

Man beaten at Ferguson protest strategy meeting
ynes and another protester, who asked to remain anonymous, said Schaefer was fairly new to the movement.

“He had been live streaming for just the last couple of weeks,” said the protester, who asked not to be named. “Honestly, he struck me as kind of a naive college kid who is out of his element.”

Now he's a naive college kid who is out of his element who got the **** beaten out of him.

Should we call him Donny?

 
David Burge @iowahawkblog

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Sand said:
And NOW people start to make money off the tragedy. Please be sure to donate!

http://www.fergusontogeneva.org/

So Brown's mom leapfrogs from the Ferguson projects to the UN in Geneva. I'm sure she will be staying at a very refined hotel, hitting the cafes.

There's a report there by the "Organization for Black Struggle."

No. 1 Recommendation?: Ensure that "victims of torture, and/or cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment at the hands of law enforcement during the protests ... obtain redress and fair and adequate compensation, including the means for a full rehabilitation as soon as possible... ."

 
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The people protesting this incident would have a much better case to make if they didn't tend to wrap themselves in extremism and, apparently in the case of Brown's family, monetary greed. Unfortunately this is not atypical.

 
Ferguson Resident: ‘We are Getting Prepared for War’

November 10, 2014 7:27 AM


FERGUSON, Mo. (CBS St. Louis/AP) – Ferguson is “getting prepared for war” if a grand jury doesn’t indict Officer Darren Wilson in the shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown.

Missouri State Highway Patrol Capt. Ron Johnson told CBS News he has been meeting with students, gang members and ministers about what might happen following the grand jury decision that is expected to come down this month.

“There’s a lot of fear. A lot of people are afraid of what could happen,” Johnson explained. “In the end, this is gonna be the community we have to live in.”

Ronardo Ward, 33, is one of those hoping to maintain peace in Ferguson if Wilson isn’t indicted.

“We are getting prepared for war,” Ward told CBS News. “And that’s just crazy.”

Michael Johnson, 42, believes many young people will rail against the “system.”

“There’s gonna be a lot of angry young people that’s pretty much not gonna listen to the system anymore,” Michael Johnson said. “Why should they?”

Protests have been going on for months following Brown’s death in August.

“The destruction here symbolizes this community, and how fragile and crumbled things are here,” Johnson told CBS News.

Despite the potential violence, Johnson doesn’t believe Ferguson is ready to explode if Wilson is not indicted.

“I don’t think it’s going to be as bad as people want to make it out to be, but I think there’s some tough times ahead,” Johnson stated.

Activists asked last Wednesday for advance notice before prosecutors announce whether Wilson will face charges in the shooting death of Brown, saying they can help prevent widespread violence if they have 48 hours to prepare for protests.

Members of the Don’t Shoot Coalition said at a news conference that they want to “de-escalate violence without de-escalating action” once a grand jury decides whether to indict Wilson, who is white, for the Aug. 9 shooting of Brown, who was black.

The coalition represents more than 50 organizations including union workers, clergy, anti-war activists and black empowerment groups. Its members are leaders of the protests that erupted across the region after Brown’s death and have continued in the three months since.

“Everyone around the United States and much of the world is looking at St. Louis,” said Michael McPhearson, executive director of Veterans for Peace. “There’s much anticipation as to what happens next.”

Demonstrators on Wednesday criticized the use of tear gas, riot equipment and armored vehicles by county and local police in the early days of the protests. The heavy initial response led Gov. Jay Nixon to summon the National Guard and temporarily put the Missouri Highway Patrol in charge of Ferguson crowd control.

Ed Magee, a spokesman for St. Louis County Attorney Bob McCulloch, who is overseeing the grand jury investigation, met with McPhearson and attorney Denise Lieberman earlier Wednesday and said the coalition’s request for 48 hours’ notice of a grand jury decision is “being considered.”

The grand jury was expected to hear evidence in Brown’s case until mid-November, but McCulloch said Tuesday night that its work could continue for several more weeks. Brown, 18, was unarmed when Wilson encountered him walking in the street with a friend. A scuffle ensued and Brown was shot multiple times. Witness accounts of what happened varied, with some saying they saw Brown raise his hands as if in surrender.

“After the verdict, no matter what it is, people are going to pour into the street — either in celebration or in rage,” said Montague Simmons, chairman of the Organization for Black Struggle. “It’s in the best interest of the public, the police and elected officials who control the actions of the police to work together to protect the rights of people to engage in civil disobedience and expression of their First Amendment rights of free speech and assembly.”

Organizers have created 19 “rules of engagement” they want police to follow, including calls to treat protesters as “citizens and not enemy combatants.”

County police Chief Jon Belmar earlier this week reiterated that police do not intend to impede peaceful dissent but said he wouldn’t take anything off the table when asked about the use of tear gas and other tactics.

“I have a responsibility…to make sure that everybody walks out of this on the other end,” he said.

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/11/10/ferguson-resident-we-are-getting-prepared-for-war/
 
As we prepare for war we would like to formally request that police wear minimally protective gear during any confrontations.

Sincerely,

Peaceful Protestors

 
Here is a solution:

We can carve out 10 square miles of land in Mizzou and call it Ferguson. All of these young people who don't believe in the system, can have their own system in Ferguson. They can start their own little Utopia.

 
So Brown's mom leapfrogs from the Ferguson projects to the UN in Geneva. I'm sure she will be staying at a very refined hotel, hitting the cafes.
Yes, and unless she camps out, lives in a tent and eats ramen noodles, she is obviously just trying to cash in on her son's death.

 
Just one sign in a series that this has nothing to do with justice, and everything do to with 15 mins of fame and cash for the family..... and an excuse to participate in anarchy for the professional protestors.

It's pretty sad this kid's death (deserved or not) has been co-opted by ignorance, crime and greed.

 
Just one sign in a series that this has nothing to do with justice, and everything do to with 15 mins of fame and cash for the family..... and an excuse to participate in anarchy for the professional protestors.

It's pretty sad this kid's death (deserved or not) has been co-opted by ignorance, crime and greed.
But you can't beat the prices, AMIRITE?

 
Just one sign in a series that this has nothing to do with justice, and everything do to with 15 mins of fame and cash for the family..... and an excuse to participate in anarchy for the professional protestors.

It's pretty sad this kid's death (deserved or not) has been co-opted by ignorance, crime and greed.
But you can't beat the prices, AMIRITE?
maybe you should go try your Walmart stunt during the looting process.
 
There were like 100 protestors marching down the streets of Clayton today, escorted by some police cars and lots of camera crews walking with them. They were pretty loud even from 15 floors up. Exciting stuff.

 
The ignorance level of the people living in Ferguson is downright astonishing.

It's difficult for me to even comprehend the idea of a populace anywhere in this country that appears to be so uneducated and uncultured...and so easily manipulated by, well...I'll just call them 'the usual manipulative culprits' and leave it at that. I mean, come on: State Of Emergency? National Guard? Really...over a jury verdict regarding a kid who was basically a documented instance of a situation just waiting to happen? You put the situation in the hands of the system and let the system run it's course and deliver it's outcome - and in this case, plenty of big time outside interests (who may have had no place getting involved), got involved to ensure the outcome was just and untainted - and then you accept the outcome the system delivers. Mourn the dead, life for the living goes on, and hopefully lessons are learned that prevent incidents like these from happening in the future...why is it so much to ask for the bare minimum - for what's supposed to happen, to actually happen?

Educating people like this on, of all things, basic appropriate behavior, should be a major focus and higher priority/domestic policy agenda of our government, rather than many of the tangents and tails it's chasing...and the local governments need to be held accountable - how in the hell do things degenerate to this point unless someone(s) at some time(s) have miserably failed their responsibility, and allowed this kind of populace to develop and exist?

I just don't get it.

 
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The people protesting this incident would have a much better case to make if they didn't tend to wrap themselves in extremism and, apparently in the case of Brown's family, monetary greed. Unfortunately this is not atypical.
I'm more of a MLK man myself but people don't just become extreme. People who's voices are heard rarely become extreme.

God I wish every white person could walk a mile....

People here lose their minds over tuna fish and bad service at Best Buy.

People who got nothing to lose are particularly dangerous.

With growing inequality this crap is going to be more of a class issue in the near future than it is a race issue. Plenty of riots in austerity ridden Europe without a black person in sight.

It's the poverty stupid.

 
The ignorance level of the people living in Ferguson is downright astonishing.

It's difficult for me to even comprehend the idea of a populace anywhere in this country that appears to be so uneducated and uncultured...and so easily manipulated by, well...I'll just call them 'the usual manipulative culprits' and leave it at that. I mean, come on: State Of Emergency? National Guard? Really...over a jury verdict regarding a kid who was basically a documented instance of a situation just waiting to happen? You put the situation in the hands of the system and let the system run it's course and deliver it's outcome - and in this case, plenty of big time outside interests (who may have had no place getting involved), got involved to ensure the outcome was just and untainted - and then you accept the outcome the system delivers. Mourn the dead, life for the living goes on, and hopefully lessons are learned that prevent incidents like these from happening in the future...why is it so much to ask for the bare minimum - for what's supposed to happen, to actually happen?

Educating people like this on, of all things, basic appropriate behavior, should be a major focus and higher priority/domestic policy agenda of our government, rather than many of the tangents and tails it's chasing...and the local governments need to be held accountable - how in the hell do things degenerate to this point unless someone(s) at some time(s) have miserably failed their responsibility, and allowed this kind of populace to develop and exist?

I just don't get it.
:goodposting:

 
The people protesting this incident would have a much better case to make if they didn't tend to wrap themselves in extremism and, apparently in the case of Brown's family, monetary greed. Unfortunately this is not atypical.
I'm more of a MLK man myself but people don't just become extreme. People who's voices are heard rarely become extreme.

God I wish every white person could walk a mile....

People here lose their minds over tuna fish and bad service at Best Buy.

People who got nothing to lose are particularly dangerous.

With growing inequality this crap is going to be more of a class issue in the near future than it is a race issue. Plenty of riots in austerity ridden Europe without a black person in sight.

It's the poverty stupid.
This is a great point. People that are well off, no matter the race, generally don't riot.

 
The people protesting this incident would have a much better case to make if they didn't tend to wrap themselves in extremism and, apparently in the case of Brown's family, monetary greed. Unfortunately this is not atypical.
I'm more of a MLK man myself but people don't just become extreme. People who's voices are heard rarely become extreme.

God I wish every white person could walk a mile....

People here lose their minds over tuna fish and bad service at Best Buy.

People who got nothing to lose are particularly dangerous.

With growing inequality this crap is going to be more of a class issue in the near future than it is a race issue. Plenty of riots in austerity ridden Europe without a black person in sight.

It's the poverty stupid.
This is a great point. People that are well off, no matter the race, generally don't riot.
And yet there wasn't wide spread rioting during the great depression.

 
The people protesting this incident would have a much better case to make if they didn't tend to wrap themselves in extremism and, apparently in the case of Brown's family, monetary greed. Unfortunately this is not atypical.
I'm more of a MLK man myself but people don't just become extreme. People who's voices are heard rarely become extreme.

God I wish every white person could walk a mile....

People here lose their minds over tuna fish and bad service at Best Buy.

People who got nothing to lose are particularly dangerous.

With growing inequality this crap is going to be more of a class issue in the near future than it is a race issue. Plenty of riots in austerity ridden Europe without a black person in sight.

It's the poverty stupid.
This is a great point. People that are well off, no matter the race, generally don't riot.
And yet there wasn't wide spread rioting during the great depression.
Guess that depends on what you mean by wide spread.

 
Jim11 said:
shader said:
Jackstraw said:
The people protesting this incident would have a much better case to make if they didn't tend to wrap themselves in extremism and, apparently in the case of Brown's family, monetary greed. Unfortunately this is not atypical.
I'm more of a MLK man myself but people don't just become extreme. People who's voices are heard rarely become extreme.God I wish every white person could walk a mile....

People here lose their minds over tuna fish and bad service at Best Buy.

People who got nothing to lose are particularly dangerous.

With growing inequality this crap is going to be more of a class issue in the near future than it is a race issue. Plenty of riots in austerity ridden Europe without a black person in sight.

It's the poverty stupid.
This is a great point. People that are well off, no matter the race, generally don't riot.
And yet there wasn't wide spread rioting during the great depression.
there wasnt? What the #### history books have you been reading? Google the Bonus Army, or the rioting over bread in Lincoln Nebraska. Or the San Francisco Dock workers strikes and "Bloody Thursday". Or the the workers in Madison, Wisconsin who took over the state capital and declared a soviet. Or the bloody riots in Detroit and Pittsburgh. Not to mention the coal riots in West Virginia.

I'm wasting my time.

 
Jim11 said:
shader said:
Jackstraw said:
The people protesting this incident would have a much better case to make if they didn't tend to wrap themselves in extremism and, apparently in the case of Brown's family, monetary greed. Unfortunately this is not atypical.
I'm more of a MLK man myself but people don't just become extreme. People who's voices are heard rarely become extreme.God I wish every white person could walk a mile....

People here lose their minds over tuna fish and bad service at Best Buy.

People who got nothing to lose are particularly dangerous.

With growing inequality this crap is going to be more of a class issue in the near future than it is a race issue. Plenty of riots in austerity ridden Europe without a black person in sight.

It's the poverty stupid.
This is a great point. People that are well off, no matter the race, generally don't riot.
And yet there wasn't wide spread rioting during the great depression.
there wasnt? What the #### history books have you been reading?Google the Bonus Army, or the rioting over bread in Lincoln Nebraska. Or the San Francisco Dock workers strikes and "Bloody Thursday". Or the the workers in Madison, Wisconsin who took over the state capital and declared a soviet. Or the bloody riots in Detroit and Pittsburgh. Not to mention the coal riots in West Virginia.

I'm wasting my time.
It's Jim11 you're talking to.

White people "rioting" = civil unrest. It's not rioting unless they're black.

 
Jim11 said:
shader said:
Jackstraw said:
The people protesting this incident would have a much better case to make if they didn't tend to wrap themselves in extremism and, apparently in the case of Brown's family, monetary greed. Unfortunately this is not atypical.
I'm more of a MLK man myself but people don't just become extreme. People who's voices are heard rarely become extreme.God I wish every white person could walk a mile....

People here lose their minds over tuna fish and bad service at Best Buy.

People who got nothing to lose are particularly dangerous.

With growing inequality this crap is going to be more of a class issue in the near future than it is a race issue. Plenty of riots in austerity ridden Europe without a black person in sight.

It's the poverty stupid.
This is a great point. People that are well off, no matter the race, generally don't riot.
And yet there wasn't wide spread rioting during the great depression.
there wasnt? What the #### history books have you been reading?Google the Bonus Army, or the rioting over bread in Lincoln Nebraska. Or the San Francisco Dock workers strikes and "Bloody Thursday". Or the the workers in Madison, Wisconsin who took over the state capital and declared a soviet. Or the bloody riots in Detroit and Pittsburgh. Not to mention the coal riots in West Virginia.

I'm wasting my time.
Or the Minnesota bread line riots, or the Watsonville riots...

 
No rioting during the Great Depression :lol: Yeah, true patriots would just accept their ####ty lot in life like our perfect ancestors.

 
...and of all people, where are President Obama and Attorney General Holder right now? Last time I checked, besides the Supreme Court, they are the two highest upholders of the law and defenders of the legal system in the country...

...and by sheer coincidence, like the overwhelming majority of the potential rioters...they're black, which for political purposes is helpful in this particular case - in the goal of taming, not fanning, the flames of potential unrest, and who knows what may follow.

Holder and his DOJ got directly involved in this process to make sure it was clean, honest and untainted. These people couldn't ask for any higher or more appropriate authority to act as an ombudsman to the process. On the eve of the verdict being announced, it's absolutely appropriate for both of them to be on Air Force 1 heading down there to say exactly what I said above:

...you put the situation in the hands of the system and let the system run it's course and deliver it's outcome - and in this case, plenty of big time outside interests (who may have had no place getting involved), got involved to ensure the outcome was just and untainted - and then you accept the outcome the system delivers. Mourn the dead, life for the living goes on, and hopefully lessons are learned that prevent incidents like these from happening in the future...

...this is a completely appropriate time and place for a President to be Presidential domestically. Grab Holder, maybe Oprah and Montell and whoever else these people can possibly identify with, respect and for cripes' sake actually listen to - but only people who can spread the message in an clearly understandable and overwhelmingly empathic and positive way. Solutions people with an eye on the greater good, with a plan for a the kind of fallout that gives these people some hope...but also a firm reminder that there's an appropriate way to act and react, and if they don't, that there will be consequences. Justifiable consequences. There's plenty of good folks mixed in with the ignorant and the troublemakers/rabblerousers that want no part of the chaos that might be coming, that require powerful advocates of justice AND peace to wind the miscreants down. Get himself down to ground zero, tell the incendiary talking heads like Jesse and Sharpton that there's a new sheriff in town, please kindly step off your soapboxes - and to be an active participant in the healing process that should appropriately begin following the release of the verdict. The political BS in DC isn't going anywhere for a while; there's absolutely no reason it can't be put on hold for more pressing domestic matters, until this situation is ramped down several notches, if not diffused entirely.

Where are they? Again, I just don't get it.

 
Nittany--the problem is the rioting is going to happen bottom line. There are too many groups that "WANT" it to happen.

You have the anarchists groups that are just out to attack the police. You have the free tv crowd that just hopes to get stuff. You have the idiot 15 minutes of fame group that will be out there hoping to get on tv. You have the media that is dying for it to happen just because we live in a world where the media wants to make the news rather than report it and finally I am sure you have some Billy-Bob types that want this happen so they can justify their twisted views of minorities.

 
No rioting during the Great Depression :lol: Yeah, true patriots would just accept their ####ty lot in life like our perfect ancestors.
What is it about wide spread that you don't understand?
No rioting during the Great Depression :lol: Yeah, true patriots would just accept their ####ty lot in life like our perfect ancestors.
What is it about wide spread that you don't understand?
lol

 

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