Looting in Missouri after cops shoot 18 year old (2 Viewers)

[timschochet]

I'm glad he resigned. I don't think he should have gone to jail, but Wilson's obvious fabrication that Brown turned around and charged him- an absurd lie which nobody reasonably minded could ever buy into- proves that he probably could have avoided killing Brown.

Seriously, just give it up. You're just making #### up at this point and speaking it as truth. The autopsy showed no back to front shots. Why is Brown charging a lie? The crime scene definitely showed Brown moved back toward Wilson. Ballistics showed shots on the car, a close shot into Brown's hand, and contusions to Wilson's face. There is no evidence suggesting Sonething else happened. It's frustrating when people make up something when they don't have a clue what they're talking about.

I'm not making anything up. I accept that he moved back, slowly, toward Wilson. I don't accept that he charged. There's no evidence that he charged. It's been explained over and over again why it's extremely improbable that he charged.

Right, he was just inching his way towards Wilson...Wilson shot him just because he could...is that you're stance?

i think Wilson shot him because he was angry and scared and perceived Brown as a threat. I don't blame him. I'd feel the same way. But I don't think Brown charged. Wilson pretty obviously made that up later because he realized that perhaps Brown, having fled 30 feet away, wasn't the mortal threat that he thought in the split second during the incident. That's also why Wilson stated that Brown was reaching into his waistband while charging, another clear lie, since even the witness who supposedly saw the charge denied this point- kinda hard to charge while reaching into your waistband. And if a Brown had a gun, why charge? And why earlier try to seize Wilson's gun when Brown could have pulled out his own? It's very clear to me that Wilson made up the charging and the reaching into the waistband in order to bolster that he was in fear for his life. But it wasn't necessary. The fact that Brown struggled with him at the car indicates that Wilson was in fear for his life, and he should have been. As for Brown, just a dumb thug, idiotic to fight an armed cop. But once he ran away, he didn't deserve to die.

 

[HellToupee]

I'm glad he resigned. I don't think he should have gone to jail, but Wilson's obvious fabrication that Brown turned around and charged him- an absurd lie which nobody reasonably minded could ever buy into- proves that he probably could have avoided killing Brown.

Plus don't forget he was kneeling with his arms raised above his head

 

[timschochet]

Wow, Tim has been busy in here. Did I miss anything good?

A few people, namely Doug B and DW, have provided good rebuttals to my argument. Nobody else has really. Sadly , a few people in here, lacking any ability to discuss intelligent points of merit, have resorted to moronic insults. That's to be expected, but it's depressing nonetheless .

So you've responded to 600+ moronic insults?

sometimes it feels that way but no. Mostly I respond to those who respond to me.

 

[timschochet]

I'm glad he resigned. I don't think he should have gone to jail, but Wilson's obvious fabrication that Brown turned around and charged him- an absurd lie which nobody reasonably minded could ever buy into- proves that he probably could have avoided killing Brown.

Plus don't forget he was kneeling with his arms raised above his head

He wasn't.

 

[Das Boot]

Tim, I just have to say that if you are using what you think is "common sense" to judge what you think someone would do, you are flat out incredibly wrong. Unless you are the kind of person who would grab something off the shelf in a store, refusing to pay for it and physically manhandle a store employee who tries to stop you, you do not have the same judgment call that the deceased Michael Brown had. I'm sick of seeing you post that you refuse to believe something because common sense indicates to the contrary. There are so many things people do that I, using my common sense, would never do in a million years. There is no common "common sense".

I feel so dirty saying anything in one of these stupid arguments.

I'm tempted make this same obvious point every time I see Tim make his common sense comment, but couldn't get past that dirty feeling as well lol.

So and thanks.

 

[jonessed]

I'm glad he resigned. I don't think he should have gone to jail, but Wilson's obvious fabrication that Brown turned around and charged him- an absurd lie which nobody reasonably minded could ever buy into- proves that he probably could have avoided killing Brown.

 

[timschochet]

Tim, I just have to say that if you are using what you think is "common sense" to judge what you think someone would do, you are flat out incredibly wrong. Unless you are the kind of person who would grab something off the shelf in a store, refusing to pay for it and physically manhandle a store employee who tries to stop you, you do not have the same judgment call that the deceased Michael Brown had. I'm sick of seeing you post that you refuse to believe something because common sense indicates to the contrary. There are so many things people do that I, using my common sense, would never do in a million years. There is no common "common sense".

I feel so dirty saying anything in one of these stupid arguments.

Sorry you feel dirty. I don't think it's a stupid argument to have. Robbing the market proves Brown was a thug. Fighting Wilson at the car proves Brown was a stupid thug. Turning and running away at full speed after getting shot in the hand proves Brown was a cowardly stupid thug who didn't want to go to prison and who didn't want to die. But none of this proves that Brown is the sort of guy who would turn around from a distance and charge blindly into gunfire like some old Samurai. In fact all of Browns behavior up to that point suggests that he wouldn't take that act .

 

[HellToupee]

I'm glad he resigned. I don't think he should have gone to jail, but Wilson's obvious fabrication that Brown turned around and charged him- an absurd lie which nobody reasonably minded could ever buy into- proves that he probably could have avoided killing Brown.

Plus don't forget he was kneeling with his arms raised above his head

He wasn't.

Well there are witnesses that say he was

 

[squistion]

Since this thread has had all sorts of irrelevant character assassination of Michael Brown, I think equal time requires some dirt be thrown at the other side. Here about Officer Wilson's mother.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2726614/Mother-policeman-shot-dead-Michael-Brown-serial-artist-defrauded-thousands-dollars-neighbors-stolen-credit-card-scheme.html

Neighbors claim the policeman accused of shooting dead an unarmed teenager in St Louis had a serial con woman for a mother, MailOnline can reveal.

Darren Wilsons mother Tonya Durso won the trust of her neighbors then cheated them out of hundreds of thousands of dollars by stealing their identities and taking out vast loans and credit card debt.

At the time she committed the offenses she was on parole for similar crimes elsewhere the state and afterwards died at the age of 35 under mysterious circumstances.

Neighbors today revealed how they were stunned that Wilson became a police officer after his mother behaved so deviously towards them.

 

[timschochet]

Tim, I just have to say that if you are using what you think is "common sense" to judge what you think someone would do, you are flat out incredibly wrong. Unless you are the kind of person who would grab something off the shelf in a store, refusing to pay for it and physically manhandle a store employee who tries to stop you, you do not have the same judgment call that the deceased Michael Brown had. I'm sick of seeing you post that you refuse to believe something because common sense indicates to the contrary. There are so many things people do that I, using my common sense, would never do in a million years. There is no common "common sense".

I feel so dirty saying anything in one of these stupid arguments.

I'm tempted make this same obvious point every time I see Tim make his common sense comment, but couldn't get past that dirty feeling as well lol.

So and thanks.

i suspect that dirty feeling has little to do with me and a lot to do with you don't want to acknowledge that Wilson might have lied or exaggerated. As I mentioned before, people don't like to accept murky outcomes. I think Wilson made some #### up, and I think Brown was a thug , and even though Brown didn't deserve to die, it's 90% Browns own fault that he's dead. I think Wilson is a sympathetic person who overreacted, not unreasonably For that he deserved to resign, not to be arrested. This is not a clean subject .

 

[HellToupee]

Since this thread has had all sorts of irrelevant character assassination of Michael Brown, I think equal time requires some dirt about the other side. Here about Officer Wilson's mother.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2726614/Mother-policeman-shot-dead-Michael-Brown-serial-artist-defrauded-thousands-dollars-neighbors-stolen-credit-card-scheme.html

Neighbors claim the policeman accused of shooting dead an unarmed teenager in St Louis had a serial con woman for a mother, MailOnline can reveal.

Darren Wilsons mother Tonya Durso won the trust of her neighbors then cheated them out of hundreds of thousands of dollars by stealing their identities and taking out vast loans and credit card debt.

At the time she committed the offenses she was on parole for similar crimes elsewhere the state and afterwards died at the age of 35 under mysterious circumstances.

Neighbors today revealed how they were stunned that Wilson became a police officer after his mother behaved so deviously towards them.

What about the mother of Drew Brees??

Honestly you think you are clever & funny but come off as a P.O.S. here. Good job

 

[squistion]

Since this thread has had all sorts of irrelevant character assassination of Michael Brown, I think equal time requires some dirt about the other side. Here about Officer Wilson's mother.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2726614/Mother-policeman-shot-dead-Michael-Brown-serial-artist-defrauded-thousands-dollars-neighbors-stolen-credit-card-scheme.html

Neighbors claim the policeman accused of shooting dead an unarmed teenager in St Louis had a serial con woman for a mother, MailOnline can reveal.

Darren Wilsons mother Tonya Durso won the trust of her neighbors then cheated them out of hundreds of thousands of dollars by stealing their identities and taking out vast loans and credit card debt.

At the time she committed the offenses she was on parole for similar crimes elsewhere the state and afterwards died at the age of 35 under mysterious circumstances.

Neighbors today revealed how they were stunned that Wilson became a police officer after his mother behaved so deviously towards them.

What about the mother of Drew Brees??

Drew Brees also shot Michael Brown?

 

[timschochet]

What is it with all of these insults? Calling people moronic, ##### bags, P.O.S.? It's not funny. It's not illuminating. It's ugly and stupid.

A lot of people wonder (some hopefully!) what would make me leave the FFA and these type of discussions, it's all the insults. Not the funny ones- I can appreciate those and sometimes I partake. It's these ugly stupid serious insults that make everyone of these discussions worse. I don't need to read those. I don't enjoy them.

 

[GoBirds]

Since this thread has had all sorts of irrelevant character assassination of Michael Brown, I think equal time requires some dirt about the other side. Here about Officer Wilson's mother. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2726614/Mother-policeman-shot-dead-Michael-Brown-serial-artist-defrauded-thousands-dollars-neighbors-stolen-credit-card-scheme.html

Neighbors claim the policeman accused of shooting dead an unarmed teenager in St Louis had a serial con woman for a mother, MailOnline can reveal.

Darren Wilsons mother Tonya Durso won the trust of her neighbors then cheated them out of hundreds of thousands of dollars by stealing their identities and taking out vast loans and credit card debt.

At the time she committed the offenses she was on parole for similar crimes elsewhere the state and afterwards died at the age of 35 under mysterious circumstances.

Neighbors today revealed how they were stunned that Wilson became a police officer after his mother behaved so deviously towards them.

What about the mother of Drew Brees?? Honestly you think you are clever & funny but come off as a P.O.S. here. Good job

Agreed pretty lame.

 

[Das Boot]

Tim, I just have to say that if you are using what you think is "common sense" to judge what you think someone would do, you are flat out incredibly wrong. Unless you are the kind of person who would grab something off the shelf in a store, refusing to pay for it and physically manhandle a store employee who tries to stop you, you do not have the same judgment call that the deceased Michael Brown had. I'm sick of seeing you post that you refuse to believe something because common sense indicates to the contrary. There are so many things people do that I, using my common sense, would never do in a million years. There is no common "common sense".

I feel so dirty saying anything in one of these stupid arguments.

I'm tempted make this same obvious point every time I see Tim make his common sense comment, but couldn't get past that dirty feeling as well lol.

So and thanks.

i suspect that dirty feeling has little to do with me and a lot to do with you don't want to acknowledge that Wilson might have lied or exaggerated. As I mentioned before, people don't like to accept murky outcomes. I think Wilson made some #### up, and I think Brown was a thug , and even though Brown didn't deserve to die, it's 90% Browns own fault that he's dead. I think Wilson is a sympathetic person who overreacted, not unreasonably For that he deserved to resign, not to be arrested. This is not a clean subject .

No, the dirty feeling is getting dragged down into the arguments that these kind of situations always devolve into.

[SIZE=13.63636302948px]To your point that Brown wouldn't have logically charged Wilson, I consider that someone who has already committed robbery, been stopped by the police immediately after that robbery, then had an up close confrontation with that cop in which shots were fired... is not necessarily someone that's going to behave rationally.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=13.63636302948px]Now w[/SIZE]hat you wrote above I pretty much agree with: the outcome is murky and there are things we don't know and won't ever know about this tragedy.

If Brown attacked a police officer in his car, I'd say it's 100% his fault that he died, regardless of what happened afterwards. That doesn't exonerate the cop from anything illegal or procedurally improper that he may have done. But regardless of what happened afterwards, a confrontation with a cop in which shots are fired puts your life in mortal jeopardy.

Wilson may have subsequently fired additional shots at Brown after they weren't required - if we could know the truth, it wouldn't surprise me either way, i.e. that Brown did charge Wilson, or that Wilson fired additional shots when they weren't absolutely necessary.

I will say that reading the conclusions derived from the evidence, most of it seems to pretty well support Wilson's narrative.

 

[desert rose]

Tim, I just have to say that if you are using what you think is "common sense" to judge what you think someone would do, you are flat out incredibly wrong. Unless you are the kind of person who would grab something off the shelf in a store, refusing to pay for it and physically manhandle a store employee who tries to stop you, you do not have the same judgment call that the deceased Michael Brown had. I'm sick of seeing you post that you refuse to believe something because common sense indicates to the contrary. There are so many things people do that I, using my common sense, would never do in a million years. There is no common "common sense".

I feel so dirty saying anything in one of these stupid arguments.

I'm tempted make this same obvious point every time I see Tim make his common sense comment, but couldn't get past that dirty feeling as well lol.

So and thanks.

i suspect that dirty feeling has little to do with me and a lot to do with you don't want to acknowledge that Wilson might have lied or exaggerated. As I mentioned before, people don't like to accept murky outcomes. I think Wilson made some #### up, and I think Brown was a thug , and even though Brown didn't deserve to die, it's 90% Browns own fault that he's dead. I think Wilson is a sympathetic person who overreacted, not unreasonably For that he deserved to resign, not to be arrested. This is not a clean subject .

If this includes me in your speculation, you'd be wrong. It has to do with endless meaningless conjecture and arguments which change no one's mind in the end.

How do you explain Michael Brown coming toward the officer at all? Common sense dictates that he either keeps running as fast as he can or lies face down flat on the ground. It does not in zero instances have the suspect approach an officer at any speed, charging or snail paced.

I have a lot of experience with young people. Not a lot of black ones, but minorities nonetheless, many of them thugs and gang members, even convicted juvenile felons. And I have seen many of them abandon any common sense to their own detriment.

I don't understand why everything has to be so convoluted with you.

 

[squistion]

What is it with all of these insults? Calling people moronic, ##### bags, P.O.S.? It's not funny. It's not illuminating. It's ugly and stupid.

The insults are all they got left. If you have to resort to name calling, it usually means that you don't have that strong of an argument.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

What is it with all of these insults? Calling people moronic, ##### bags, P.O.S.? It's not funny. It's not illuminating. It's ugly and stupid.

The insults are all they got left. If you have to resort to name calling, it usually means that you don't have that strong of an argument.

What argument...the GJ found Wilson not guilty of any wrong doing after they were spoon fed his unchallenged testimony...he got to say what he wanted with zero cross examination...isnt that nice?

 

[Bucky86]

What is it with all of these insults? Calling people moronic, ##### bags, P.O.S.? It's not funny. It's not illuminating. It's ugly and stupid.

The insults are all they got left. If you have to resort to name calling, it usually means that you don't have that strong of an argument.

"Brown supporters are striking out! Wilson supporters have hit a grand slam. Stupid Brown supporters are nothing but fumblers. Wilson kicked it straight through the uprights!"

 

[The General]

What is it with all of these insults? Calling people moronic, ##### bags, P.O.S.? It's not funny. It's not illuminating. It's ugly and stupid.

The insults are all they got left. If you have to resort to name calling, it usually means that you don't have that strong of an argument.

Didn't you just post an article about the cop's mom?

 

[tommyGunZ]

Turning Michael Brown into a really bad guy is just as wrong, IMO, as turning him into some kind of hero. I think Michael Brown was a stupid thug. But he was only a teenager and his death is a tragedy, because he might have grown up into something better. Who knows?

Everybody seems to want their stories tied into nice neat bows, good and evil. If you believe that Michael Brown was wrongfully killed, then you need Brown to become pristine, a great guy who never did anyone any harm. If you believe that Wilson was justified, then you need to turn Brown into something evil under a rock. Real life is never that smooth; it's murky.

I absolutely think Michael Brown could have grown into an incredible human being. Unfortunately, who he was and what he did in the moment got him killed. No one else. That's the truth that needs to be acknowledged prior to further introspection IMO.Because if you cannot baseline that, you have no objectivity.

When did you turn into such an #######?

 

[Sand]

Wow, Tim has been busy in here. Did I miss anything good?

Did you add in his Knuckles and Bateman aliases?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

What is it with all of these insults? Calling people moronic, ##### bags, P.O.S.? It's not funny. It's not illuminating. It's ugly and stupid.

The insults are all they got left. If you have to resort to name calling, it usually means that you don't have that strong of an argument.

"Brown supporters are striking out! Wilson supporters have hit a grand slam. Stupid Brown supporters are nothing but fumblers. Wilson kicked it straight through the uprights!"

its funny that anyone questioning the police work in this case are pro brown. How about if some people are just anti- shoddy policing.Brown just happens to be the collateral damage

 

[squistion]

What is it with all of these insults? Calling people moronic, ##### bags, P.O.S.? It's not funny. It's not illuminating. It's ugly and stupid.

The insults are all they got left. If you have to resort to name calling, it usually means that you don't have that strong of an argument.

Didn't you just post an article about the cop's mom?

It was meant as a joke, if you noticed the . Just having a little fun after being called names over the last 10 pages. And the article was as relevant as the character assassination of Michael Brown in this thread, most of which had nothing to do with the shooting incident. Some of crowd here are apparently irony deficient.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Tim, I just have to say that if you are using what you think is "common sense" to judge what you think someone would do, you are flat out incredibly wrong. Unless you are the kind of person who would grab something off the shelf in a store, refusing to pay for it and physically manhandle a store employee who tries to stop you, you do not have the same judgment call that the deceased Michael Brown had. I'm sick of seeing you post that you refuse to believe something because common sense indicates to the contrary. There are so many things people do that I, using my common sense, would never do in a million years. There is no common "common sense".

I feel so dirty saying anything in one of these stupid arguments.

How do you know what you would do, under different circumstances, raised in a world that is very different than the environment you were raised in?

This "I would never do that in a million years" nonsense is extremely naive.

 

[SIDA!]

Pregnant St. Louis woman loses left eye after police officer shoots non-lethal round at car

Conners, who was angry about the grand jurys decision, and her boyfriend, DeAngelas Lee, were parked at a BP gas station on New Halls Ferry Road in St. Louis, just north of Ferguson, KMOV reported.

As her boyfriend started to drive away, she says, several police officers arrived.

They pulled up while we were coming towards the street, DeAnglas was trying to get away, they blocked us from the side, front and back, Conners told the CBS affiliate.

Thats when an officer fired the bean bag round because he feared for his safety, police said.

Conners found another officer who could help her get medical attention.

Dornellas father, Donnell Conners, says he understands that the cops have a difficult job to do but there was no excuse for what happened to his daughter.

Im very upset, very disappointed with tactics that they used trying to get control of situation, he told KMOV. I understand tough job, I understand that it was chaos, there was no reason to fire upon innocent person sitting in a vehicle.

Conners says her left eye was so badly damaged that it needed to be removed and reports blurriness in her right eye but is thankful she can still see the world at all.

Interesting that you edited out the two sentences that follow:

Police say they arrested 16 suspects at the station after gunshots were reportedly fired.

Authorities have issued a warrant for Lee’s arrest, according to reports.

I also didn't quote part of the beginning of the article.

The woman wasn't arrested. She lost an eye.

I guess I don't understand the outrage, she is riding in a car where her boyfriend attempts to run down and kill officers, who are reporting to a shots fired call. They use non lethal force and she is struck In a what is a fluke accident when glass and pellets strike her in the face. There is now an arrest warrant out for her boyfriend I could maybe see if the officers riddled the car with real bullets, people being mad, but come on--how many times does it have to be said, don't try and attack/kill a police officer and do what you are told and you will 99% of the time be okay..

And don't say innocent until proven guilty--read the facts--the officers immediately provided medical attention to the girl and what did the boyfriend, who was obviously so concerned for the welfare of his pregnant girlfriend, do?? He fled the scene, leaving her behind--injured and is now wanted on a $50,000 bond. His actions show he knows he did something wrong.

But let's all try and be mad at the police instead of the person who, had he just done what the cops told him to do, caused this whole event.

Well...you know...can't they just like..um...use their tasers on the car?

 

[baymen]

What is it with all of these insults? Calling people moronic, ##### bags, P.O.S.? It's not funny. It's not illuminating. It's ugly and stupid.

The insults are all they got left. If you have to resort to name calling, it usually means that you don't have that strong of an argument.

Didn't you just post an article about the cop's mom?

lol

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

What is it with all of these insults? Calling people moronic, ##### bags, P.O.S.? It's not funny. It's not illuminating. It's ugly and stupid.

The insults are all they got left. If you have to resort to name calling, it usually means that you don't have that strong of an argument.

What argument...the GJ found Wilson not guilty of any wrong doing after they were spoon fed his unchallenged testimony...he got to say what he wanted with zero cross examination...isnt that nice?

No, the Grand Jury determined that there was not probable cause to charge him with any of the 5 crimes presented by the D.A. Guilt or innocence was not assessed, nor were all questions of wrongdoing considered

 

[SIDA!]

Brown supporters deserve all the ridicule and hate they are getting.

(By the way, a "Brown supporter" is apparently somebody who believes that he shouldn't have been killed. Hard to see how that makes one a "supporter".)

Exactly.

Why don't you pick a better example, instead of a thug with past criminal behavior. You know, one that didn't assault a cop. You might garner some support. This guy got exactly what he deserved.

He "deserved" to be killed?

Even if you believe that Wilson's actions were reasonable under the circumstances, you're a complete piece of #### for suggesting an unarmed 18 yr old "deserved" to die for a few bad decisions.

A "few bad decisions"?

 

[Das Boot]

How do you know what you would do, under different circumstances, raised in a world that is very different than the environment you were raised in?

I think about this often; it would make huge, nearly unimaginable differences in many cases.

It's always a good thing to keep in mind, the luck (good or bad) of where you were born and to whom.

 

[squistion]

What is it with all of these insults? Calling people moronic, ##### bags, P.O.S.? It's not funny. It's not illuminating. It's ugly and stupid.

The insults are all they got left. If you have to resort to name calling, it usually means that you don't have that strong of an argument.

Didn't you just post an article about the cop's mom?

lol

See post #9199. Some people have no sense of humor. :sigh:

 

[desert rose]

Tim, I just have to say that if you are using what you think is "common sense" to judge what you think someone would do, you are flat out incredibly wrong. Unless you are the kind of person who would grab something off the shelf in a store, refusing to pay for it and physically manhandle a store employee who tries to stop you, you do not have the same judgment call that the deceased Michael Brown had. I'm sick of seeing you post that you refuse to believe something because common sense indicates to the contrary. There are so many things people do that I, using my common sense, would never do in a million years. There is no common "common sense".

I feel so dirty saying anything in one of these stupid arguments.

How do you know what you would do, under different circumstances, raised in a world that is very different than the environment you were raised in?

This "I would never do that in a million years" nonsense is extremely naive.

So maybe you should read up a little.

And EXACTLY the point.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

I am curious about the arrest technique of having Brown turn around, raise his hands halfway, and walk towards an officer. We teach our Officers to have the person face away from the Officer, to interlock their fingers behind their head, to step back one step at a time from any building, vehicle, or obstruction which might conceal a weapon, to then kneel, to cross one ankle over the other, and to sit back on their ankles. Alternatively we have them face away, lie prone on the ground with their arms outstretched to the sides with the ankles crossed and raised 90 degrees into the air. Officers are to not approach until cover arrives. The suspect should not be directly covered by the muzzle of the Officer's gun. The muzzle should be pointed just below the target in case there is an accidental discharge.

Moving towards one of our Officers who is doing it right indicates that the suspect is not complying and is a potential danger.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

What is it with all of these insults? Calling people moronic, ##### bags, P.O.S.? It's not funny. It's not illuminating. It's ugly and stupid.

The insults are all they got left. If you have to resort to name calling, it usually means that you don't have that strong of an argument.

What argument...the GJ found Wilson not guilty of any wrong doing after they were spoon fed his unchallenged testimony...he got to say what he wanted with zero cross examination...isnt that nice?

No, the Grand Jury determined that there was not probable cause to charge him with any of the 5 crimes presented by the D.A. Guilt or innocence was not assessed, nor were all questions of wrongdoing considered

You know the fix is in when a suspect who shot an unarmed man voluntarily provides four hours of un-cross examined testimony to a grand jury without taking the Fifth.

On August 9, Ferguson, Missouri Police Officer Darren Wilson gunned down 18-year-old African American Michael Brown. Since that fateful day, people across the country have protested against racial profiling, excessive police force, and the failure of the criminal justice system to provide accountability.

The nail in the coffin of "equal justice under law" came on November 24, when the St. Louis County grand jury refused to indict Wilson for any criminal charges in the shooting death of Brown. In a virtually unprecedented move, St. Louis Prosecutor Robert McCulloch in effect deputized the grand jurors to sit as triers of fact as in a jury trial.

In a normal grand jury proceeding, the prosecutor presents evidence for a few days and then asks the grand jurors to return an indictment, which they nearly always do. Of 162,000 federal cases in 2010, grand juries failed to indict in only 11 of them, according the Bureau of Justice Statistics.

The standard of proof for a grand jury to indict is only probable cause to believe the suspect committed a crime. It is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt, which is required for conviction at trial. Yet McCulloch's team presented testimony and documents to the panel for three months, evidence not subjected to adversarial testing by cross-examination.

t is the grand jury's function not 'to enquire . . . upon what foundation [the charge may be] denied,' or otherwise to try the suspect's defenses, but only to examine 'upon what foundation [the charge] is made' by the prosecutor. [citations omitted] As a consequence, neither in this country nor in England has the suspect under investigation by the grand jury ever been thought to have a right to testify or to have exculpatory evidence presented.

Every principle Scalia cited was violated in this case. The grand jury was asked to determine whether Wilson acted in self-defense. Wilson was allowed to give four hours of self-serving testimony to the grand jury. And for three months, prosecutors presented both incriminating and exculpatory evidence.

The prosecutor did not ask these grand jurors for an indictment. They were left to sift through the evidence on their own, with no prosecutorial guidance about what to charge. Indeed, the transcripts indicated that prosecutors asked Wilson gentle, leading questions designed to bolster his self-defense claim. For example, a prosecutor told Wilson, "You felt like your life was in jeopardy," followed by, "And use of deadly force was justified at that point, in your opinion?" But prosecutors rigorously challenged witnesses who contradicted Wilson's testimony.

As the grand jury is a secret proceeding, with only the grand jurors and the prosecutor present, the grand jurors did not hear any cross-examination of the officer's testimony, or that of other witnesses (which is customary in an adversarial jury trial). These grand jurors, who were nearing the end of their term, which began in May, knew the drill, since they had sat on several other cases. They knew the prosecutor always asks for indictments. Thus, when the prosecutor handled the Wilson case in a radically different manner, this signaled to the grand jurors that they were not expected to indict. And they did not.

Another unorthodox aspect of this case was McCulloch's announcement of the grand jury's decision on national television. Sounding like a defense attorney delivering a closing argument in a jury trial, McCulloch characterized and analyzed the witness testimony in the light most favorable to the officer.

McCulloch has a history of bias in favor of police involved in altercations with black men. But, ignoring the pleas of 7,000 residents in and near Ferguson who signed a petition, McCulloch refused to recuse himself in the Wilson case.

McCulloch had mischaracterized testimony in a 2000 case in which two black men were killed after officers fired 21 shots at them. As in the Wilson case, the reasonableness of the officers' use of deadly force was critical. In the 2000 case, the officers said the two victims were driving toward them, trying to run them down, and McCulloch claimed that all the witnesses corroborated the officers' story. A later federal investigation, however, determined that the car was not moving forward, and that only three of the thirteen officers said the car was moving forward.



Likewise, Wilson's claim that Brown was "charging" at him when the officer fired the fatal shots into the top of Brown's bowed head was critical to the reasonableness of Wilson's use of deadly force. When McCulloch announced the grand jury's decision, he characterized the witnesses who testified that Brown was "charging" the officer as believable, but dismissed the testimony of witnesses who said Brown was surrendering. McCulloch sounded like a defense attorney, not a prosecutor charged with representing "the people," including Brown.

 

[SIDA!]

Pregnant St. Louis woman loses left eye after police officer shoots non-lethal round at car

Conners, who was angry about the grand jurys decision, and her boyfriend, DeAngelas Lee, were parked at a BP gas station on New Halls Ferry Road in St. Louis, just north of Ferguson, KMOV reported.

As her boyfriend started to drive away, she says, several police officers arrived.

They pulled up while we were coming towards the street, DeAnglas was trying to get away, they blocked us from the side, front and back, Conners told the CBS affiliate.

Thats when an officer fired the bean bag round because he feared for his safety, police said.

Conners found another officer who could help her get medical attention.

Dornellas father, Donnell Conners, says he understands that the cops have a difficult job to do but there was no excuse for what happened to his daughter.

Im very upset, very disappointed with tactics that they used trying to get control of situation, he told KMOV. I understand tough job, I understand that it was chaos, there was no reason to fire upon innocent person sitting in a vehicle.

Conners says her left eye was so badly damaged that it needed to be removed and reports blurriness in her right eye but is thankful she can still see the world at all.

Interesting that you edited out the two sentences that follow:

Police say they arrested 16 suspects at the station after gunshots were reportedly fired.

Authorities have issued a warrant for Lees arrest, according to reports.

I also didn't quote part of the beginning of the article.

The woman wasn't arrested. She lost an eye.

I guess I don't understand the outrage, she is riding in a car where her boyfriend attempts to run down and kill officers, who are reporting to a shots fired call. They use non lethal force and she is struck In a what is a fluke accident when glass and pellets strike her in the face. There is now an arrest warrant out for her boyfriend I could maybe see if the officers riddled the car with real bullets, people being mad, but come on--how many times does it have to be said, don't try and attack/kill a police officer and do what you are told and you will 99% of the time be okay..And don't say innocent until proven guilty--read the facts--the officers immediately provided medical attention to the girl and what did the boyfriend, who was obviously so concerned for the welfare of his pregnant girlfriend, do?? He fled the scene, leaving her behind--injured and is now wanted on a $50,000 bond. His actions show he knows he did something wrong.

But let's all try and be mad at the police instead of the person who, had he just done what the cops told him to do, caused this whole event.

I don't think we really know those are the facts yet, do we? According to her they were driving out of the place and the police drove up, blocked them in.

So far the only agreement seems to be that she lost an eye due to a beanbag fired by a police officer, another police officer got her medical help, and she wasn't arrested.

See, you already said it. A police officer did the shooting. Obviously it was justified, reasonable, and he/she was in the right.

That may not be the case, but we have no reason to think otherwise.

It seems like people would have their "There Must Be More To This Story" detector go off when they read stuff like what Fatness posted. If police just opened fire on some random vehicle -- even with nonlethal ammo -- that would be pretty remarkable and incredibly damning. But all it took was one click and quick scan of the story to see that Fatness actually doctored it to present a distorted picture of what may have transpired. I'm not sure what motivates a person to do that, since it's a credibility-killer, but then again I also don't quite understand why people dug in on the "Michael Brown was shot while trying to surrender" narrative so early either.

The police have opened fire with lethal ammo at virtually random vehicles before.

They were out of control shooting at several vehicles during the Christopher Dorner manhunt in California a while back. It was absolutely crazy what they were doing.

 

[Jim11]

Since this thread has had all sorts of irrelevant character assassination of Michael Brown, I think equal time requires some dirt be thrown at the other side. Here about Officer Wilson's mother.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2726614/Mother-policeman-shot-dead-Michael-Brown-serial-artist-defrauded-thousands-dollars-neighbors-stolen-credit-card-scheme.html

Neighbors claim the policeman accused of shooting dead an unarmed teenager in St Louis had a serial con woman for a mother, MailOnline can reveal.

Darren Wilsons mother Tonya Durso won the trust of her neighbors then cheated them out of hundreds of thousands of dollars by stealing their identities and taking out vast loans and credit card debt.

At the time she committed the offenses she was on parole for similar crimes elsewhere the state and afterwards died at the age of 35 under mysterious circumstances.

Neighbors today revealed how they were stunned that Wilson became a police officer after his mother behaved so deviously towards them.

On one hand, we have the character of Brown. You now trash Wilson's mother...who is not actually Wilson, himself. Other than that, it's a totally fair comparison.

 

[SIDA!]

I'm glad he resigned. I don't think he should have gone to jail, but Wilson's obvious fabrication that Brown turned around and charged him- an absurd lie which nobody reasonably minded could ever buy into- proves that he probably could have avoided killing Brown.

Seriously, just give it up. You're just making #### up at this point and speaking it as truth. The autopsy showed no back to front shots. Why is Brown charging a lie? The crime scene definitely showed Brown moved back toward Wilson. Ballistics showed shots on the car, a close shot into Brown's hand, and contusions to Wilson's face. There is no evidence suggesting Sonething else happened. It's frustrating when people make up something when they don't have a clue what they're talking about.

I'm not making anything up. I accept that he moved back, slowly, toward Wilson. I don't accept that he charged. There's no evidence that he charged. It's been explained over and over again why it's extremely improbable that he charged.

So your contention is that the bullet to the top of the dome happened because Brown was just slowly stumbling toward Wilson?

 

[SIDA!]

It's interesting to me that guys like Todem and GrandpaRox resort to insults and "put 'em on ignore" rather than confront legitimate arguments. Again there is no physical evidence that Brown fled 30 feet and then turned around and charged Wilson . There is no physical evidence that he did not charge either . There is Wilson's testimony, and there are contradictory testimonies from witnesses. There is NO consensus on this point, and therefore we should rely on what we know (very little) and common sense. My common sense tells me it's highly unlikely that Brown, being the stupid thug he was, would get shot in the hand, take off running, and then stop 35-40 feet later, turn around and charge head first at an armed policeman who already shot him. I find it extremely unlikely that Brown had that kind of death wish. If this analysis makes me a ######## then so be it. I'd be dishonest to think anything else.

I find it amusing that you believe you can identify legitimate arguments yourself. You waffle back and forth repeatedly.

 

[General Tso]

From my standpoint, it doesn't matter one bit if Brown was charging at Wilson or walking slowly towards him. Both sides acknowledge and agree that each of the following events happened:

1. There was an altercation between Brown and Wilson in the police car.

2. Brown threw punches at Wilson.

3. Wilson discharged his weapon during the altercation.

4. Brown fled away from the car.

5. Wilson emerged from the car, drew his weapon, and told the suspects to freeze.

6. Brown turned around and was facing Wilson. All the shots were entrance wounds to the front of his body.

7. The crime scene evidence showed that Brown moved towards Wilson between the first shot and the last.

NONE of these facts are in dispute. Why does it matter if Brown was "charging" Wilson or walking slowly towards him? After what had just happened, Wilson had every reason in the world to use deadly force at that point. If he had shot Brown in the back while he was fleeing, there wouldn't be an argument. If he had shot Brown while his hands were up and he wasn't moving, there wouldn't be an argument. If he had shot Brown from 100 feet away, there wouldn't be an argument. But that's not what happened. Brown had just assaulted a cop and was resisting arrest. The cop was obviously in a very dangerous situation, as evidenced by the fact that he had already fired his weapon IN THE CAR! I mean, seriously Tim - do you really think it is reasonable to expect him not to shoot there when Brown doesn't immediately freeze, and then starts walking towards him? After all that occurred? I don't care if he's walking at a snail's pace. If he doesn't stop immediately and comply with all directions, after assaulting a cop, then yes - he deserves to die. Sorry if that offends your delicate sensibilities, but that's the way it is.

Michael Brown robbed a convenience store, bullied an old man, walked defiantly in the middle of the street, then assaulted a cop. I feel bad for his parents, and in some way I also feel bad that his life came to such a horrible end. But let's not make this guy into a martyr or a victim. It was borderline suicide by cop.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I'm glad he resigned. I don't think he should have gone to jail, but Wilson's obvious fabrication that Brown turned around and charged him- an absurd lie which nobody reasonably minded could ever buy into- proves that he probably could have avoided killing Brown.

Seriously, just give it up. You're just making #### up at this point and speaking it as truth. The autopsy showed no back to front shots. Why is Brown charging a lie? The crime scene definitely showed Brown moved back toward Wilson. Ballistics showed shots on the car, a close shot into Brown's hand, and contusions to Wilson's face. There is no evidence suggesting Sonething else happened. It's frustrating when people make up something when they don't have a clue what they're talking about.

I'm not making anything up. I accept that he moved back, slowly, toward Wilson. I don't accept that he charged. There's no evidence that he charged. It's been explained over and over again why it's extremely improbable that he charged.

So your contention is that the bullet to the top of the dome happened because Brown was just slowly stumbling toward Wilson?

perhaps he was falling to the ground ...thus exposing the top of his head ...duh

 

[squistion]

Since this thread has had all sorts of irrelevant character assassination of Michael Brown, I think equal time requires some dirt be thrown at the other side. Here about Officer Wilson's mother.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2726614/Mother-policeman-shot-dead-Michael-Brown-serial-artist-defrauded-thousands-dollars-neighbors-stolen-credit-card-scheme.html

Neighbors claim the policeman accused of shooting dead an unarmed teenager in St Louis had a serial con woman for a mother, MailOnline can reveal.

Darren Wilsons mother Tonya Durso won the trust of her neighbors then cheated them out of hundreds of thousands of dollars by stealing their identities and taking out vast loans and credit card debt.

At the time she committed the offenses she was on parole for similar crimes elsewhere the state and afterwards died at the age of 35 under mysterious circumstances.

Neighbors today revealed how they were stunned that Wilson became a police officer after his mother behaved so deviously towards them.

On one hand, we have the character of Brown. You now trash Wilson's mother...who is not actually Wilson, himself. Other than that, it's a totally fair comparison.

Jim, um, did you notice the emoticon? This was supposed to be an indication that I found the article ridiculous. I never expected anyone to take it seriously - and the real joke here is that they did, not grasping that comments made about Michael Brown's character that have nothing to do with shooting itself, can sound just as absurd to those who are not Wilson supporters.

 

[Sand]

No, the Grand Jury determined that there was not probable cause to charge him with any of the 5 crimes presented by the D.A. Guilt or innocence was not assessed, nor were all questions of wrongdoing considered

Don't worry, we have Eric Holder for that persecution.

You know the fix is in when a suspect who shot an unarmed man voluntarily provides four hours of un-cross examined testimony to a grand jury without taking the Fifth.

What idiot wrote this?

 

[SIDA!]

I'm glad he resigned. I don't think he should have gone to jail, but Wilson's obvious fabrication that Brown turned around and charged him- an absurd lie which nobody reasonably minded could ever buy into- proves that he probably could have avoided killing Brown.

Seriously, just give it up. You're just making #### up at this point and speaking it as truth. The autopsy showed no back to front shots. Why is Brown charging a lie? The crime scene definitely showed Brown moved back toward Wilson. Ballistics showed shots on the car, a close shot into Brown's hand, and contusions to Wilson's face. There is no evidence suggesting Sonething else happened. It's frustrating when people make up something when they don't have a clue what they're talking about.

I'm not making anything up. I accept that he moved back, slowly, toward Wilson. I don't accept that he charged. There's no evidence that he charged. It's been explained over and over again why it's extremely improbable that he charged.

So your contention is that the bullet to the top of the dome happened because Brown was just slowly stumbling toward Wilson?

perhaps he was falling to the ground ...thus exposing the top of his head ...duh

Are you saying that a guy who was not mortally wounded falls face first (almost as if he had essentially passed out and fell over like a falling tree) and the officer shoots him in the top of the head at that split second?

If the speculation is that he was not charging, I am struggling to understand how it would be physically possible for a person to somehow have the momentum to fall forward and get show in the top of the head.

Please walk me through in intimate detail the scenario you think is plausible. I am sincerely curious and would like to hear an alternate scenario.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I'm glad he resigned. I don't think he should have gone to jail, but Wilson's obvious fabrication that Brown turned around and charged him- an absurd lie which nobody reasonably minded could ever buy into- proves that he probably could have avoided killing Brown.

Seriously, just give it up. You're just making #### up at this point and speaking it as truth. The autopsy showed no back to front shots. Why is Brown charging a lie? The crime scene definitely showed Brown moved back toward Wilson. Ballistics showed shots on the car, a close shot into Brown's hand, and contusions to Wilson's face. There is no evidence suggesting Sonething else happened. It's frustrating when people make up something when they don't have a clue what they're talking about.

I'm not making anything up. I accept that he moved back, slowly, toward Wilson. I don't accept that he charged. There's no evidence that he charged. It's been explained over and over again why it's extremely improbable that he charged.

So your contention is that the bullet to the top of the dome happened because Brown was just slowly stumbling toward Wilson?

perhaps he was falling to the ground ...thus exposing the top of his head ...duh

Are you saying that a guy who was not mortally wounded falls face first (almost as if he had essentially passed out and fell over like a falling tree) and the officer shoots him in the top of the head at that split second?

If the speculation is that he was not charging, I am struggling to understand how it would be physically possible for a person to somehow have the momentum to fall forward and get show in the top of the head.

Please walk me through in intimate detail the scenario you think is plausible. I am sincerely curious and would like to hear an alternate scenario.

really? its not possible be be getting shot in the arm and left side of the body ...then falling down exposing the top of the head during a volley of shots and one hits the top of the head and exits the eye? strange

 

[SIDA!]

What is it with all of these insults? Calling people moronic, ##### bags, P.O.S.? It's not funny. It's not illuminating. It's ugly and stupid.

The insults are all they got left. If you have to resort to name calling, it usually means that you don't have that strong of an argument.

"Brown supporters are striking out! Wilson supporters have hit a grand slam. Stupid Brown supporters are nothing but fumblers. Wilson kicked it straight through the uprights!"

its funny that anyone questioning the police work in this case are pro brown. How about if some people are just anti- shoddy policing.Brown just happens to be the collateral damage

I think we need to have a larger discussion on "shoddy policing" and whether or not officers involved in shootings adhere to protocols. In the Cleveland shooting of the 12 year old, I believe that that child is dead because the officer driving the vehicle was incredibly negligent. There is no way that officer followed procedures pulling his vehicle within 5 feet of a suspect believed to have a gun.

I think the officer driving that car should be fired and should face criminal prosecution for his actions which unnecessarily caused the death of this child. I am not a lawyer...so I don't know if manslaughter or what the appropriate charge should be...but that is my feeling on this matter.

I don't think it is fair to expect an officer to follow every protocol to a "t", but gross violation of these protocols should have consequences.

 

[Bucky86]

From my standpoint, it doesn't matter one bit if Brown was charging at Wilson or walking slowly towards him. Both sides acknowledge and agree that each of the following events happened:

1. There was an altercation between Brown and Wilson in the police car.

2. Brown threw punches at Wilson.

3. Wilson discharged his weapon during the altercation.

4. Brown fled away from the car.

5. Wilson emerged from the car, drew his weapon, and told the suspects to freeze.

6. Brown turned around and was facing Wilson. All the shots were entrance wounds to the front of his body.

7. The crime scene evidence showed that Brown moved towards Wilson between the first shot and the last.

NONE of these facts are in dispute. Why does it matter if Brown was "charging" Wilson or walking slowly towards him? After what had just happened, Wilson had every reason in the world to use deadly force at that point. If he had shot Brown in the back while he was fleeing, there wouldn't be an argument. If he had shot Brown while his hands were up and he wasn't moving, there wouldn't be an argument. If he had shot Brown from 100 feet away, there wouldn't be an argument. But that's not what happened. Brown had just assaulted a cop and was resisting arrest. The cop was obviously in a very dangerous situation, as evidenced by the fact that he had already fired his weapon IN THE CAR! I mean, seriously Tim - do you really think it is reasonable to expect him not to shoot there when Brown doesn't immediately freeze, and then starts walking towards him? After all that occurred? I don't care if he's walking at a snail's pace. If he doesn't stop immediately and comply with all directions, after assaulting a cop, then yes - he deserves to die. Sorry if that offends your delicate sensibilities, but that's the way it is.

Michael Brown robbed a convenience store, bullied an old man, walked defiantly in the middle of the street, then assaulted a cop. I feel bad for his parents, and in some way I also feel bad that his life came to such a horrible end. But let's not make this guy into a martyr or a victim. It was borderline suicide by cop.

Did Wilson emerge from his vehicle and stay in one spot? Or did he give chase, which closed the distance between the two, while screaming, "stop, turn around, freeze, get back here..etc?"

 

[BustedKnuckles]

What is it with all of these insults? Calling people moronic, ##### bags, P.O.S.? It's not funny. It's not illuminating. It's ugly and stupid.

The insults are all they got left. If you have to resort to name calling, it usually means that you don't have that strong of an argument.

"Brown supporters are striking out! Wilson supporters have hit a grand slam. Stupid Brown supporters are nothing but fumblers. Wilson kicked it straight through the uprights!"

its funny that anyone questioning the police work in this case are pro brown. How about if some people are just anti- shoddy policing.Brown just happens to be the collateral damage

I think we need to have a larger discussion on "shoddy policing" and whether or not officers involved in shootings adhere to protocols. In the Cleveland shooting of the 12 year old, I believe that that child is dead because the officer driving the vehicle was incredibly negligent. There is no way that officer followed procedures pulling his vehicle within 5 feet of a suspect believed to have a gun.

I think the officer driving that car should be fired and should face criminal prosecution for his actions which unnecessarily caused the death of this child. I am not a lawyer...so I don't know if manslaughter or what the appropriate charge should be...but that is my feeling on this matter.

I don't think it is fair to expect an officer to follow every protocol to a "t", but gross violation of these protocols should have consequences.

That shooting was a horrible example of reacting to fast ...they should have created a distance between them and the suspect. They claim to have told that child to raise his hands 3 times...when? as they were pulling up to him at a screeching halt? That said the kid was pulling the realistic looking bb gun out from his pants as they pulled up...he almost left them with no choice at that point. They should have been told a possible juvenile was armed with what could be a toy gun. Horrible policing from start to finish ...but the kid played his part also ...so sad.

 

[SIDA!]

I'm glad he resigned. I don't think he should have gone to jail, but Wilson's obvious fabrication that Brown turned around and charged him- an absurd lie which nobody reasonably minded could ever buy into- proves that he probably could have avoided killing Brown.

Seriously, just give it up. You're just making #### up at this point and speaking it as truth. The autopsy showed no back to front shots. Why is Brown charging a lie? The crime scene definitely showed Brown moved back toward Wilson. Ballistics showed shots on the car, a close shot into Brown's hand, and contusions to Wilson's face. There is no evidence suggesting Sonething else happened. It's frustrating when people make up something when they don't have a clue what they're talking about.

I'm not making anything up. I accept that he moved back, slowly, toward Wilson. I don't accept that he charged. There's no evidence that he charged. It's been explained over and over again why it's extremely improbable that he charged.

So your contention is that the bullet to the top of the dome happened because Brown was just slowly stumbling toward Wilson?

perhaps he was falling to the ground ...thus exposing the top of his head ...duh

Are you saying that a guy who was not mortally wounded falls face first (almost as if he had essentially passed out and fell over like a falling tree) and the officer shoots him in the top of the head at that split second?

If the speculation is that he was not charging, I am struggling to understand how it would be physically possible for a person to somehow have the momentum to fall forward and get show in the top of the head.

Please walk me through in intimate detail the scenario you think is plausible. I am sincerely curious and would like to hear an alternate scenario.

really? its not possible be be getting shot in the arm and left side of the body ...then falling down exposing the top of the head during a volley of shots and one hits the top of the head and exits the eye? strange

I am looking for you to give me a detailed explanation of how you think he was shot and body responded to those shots. I think this requires a more substantive response than the one you just gave.

He was shot in the forehead and the top of the head. I think it is logical to conclude that those two shots were fired in succession and were the final two shots. Do you agree with this or does anyone disagree?

 

[Bucky86]

What is it with all of these insults? Calling people moronic, ##### bags, P.O.S.? It's not funny. It's not illuminating. It's ugly and stupid.

The insults are all they got left. If you have to resort to name calling, it usually means that you don't have that strong of an argument.

"Brown supporters are striking out! Wilson supporters have hit a grand slam. Stupid Brown supporters are nothing but fumblers. Wilson kicked it straight through the uprights!"

its funny that anyone questioning the police work in this case are pro brown. How about if some people are just anti- shoddy policing.Brown just happens to be the collateral damage

I think we need to have a larger discussion on "shoddy policing" and whether or not officers involved in shootings adhere to protocols. In the Cleveland shooting of the 12 year old, I believe that that child is dead because the officer driving the vehicle was incredibly negligent. There is no way that officer followed procedures pulling his vehicle within 5 feet of a suspect believed to have a gun.

I think the officer driving that car should be fired and should face criminal prosecution for his actions which unnecessarily caused the death of this child. I am not a lawyer...so I don't know if manslaughter or what the appropriate charge should be...but that is my feeling on this matter.

I don't think it is fair to expect an officer to follow every protocol to a "t", but gross violation of these protocols should have consequences.

That shooting was a horrible example of reacting to fast ...they should have created a distance between them and the suspect. They claim to have told that child to raise his hands 3 times...when? as they were pulling up to him at a screeching halt? That said the kid was pulling the realistic looking bb gun out from his pants as they pulled up...he almost left them with no choice at that point. They should have been told a possible juvenile was armed with what could be a toy gun. Horrible policing from start to finish ...but the kid played his part also ...so sad.

I wonder if he'll get prosecuted? Maybe having a special prosecuter assigned only to police shootings would be helpful for these types of situations?

 

[SIDA!]

What is it with all of these insults? Calling people moronic, ##### bags, P.O.S.? It's not funny. It's not illuminating. It's ugly and stupid.

The insults are all they got left. If you have to resort to name calling, it usually means that you don't have that strong of an argument.

"Brown supporters are striking out! Wilson supporters have hit a grand slam. Stupid Brown supporters are nothing but fumblers. Wilson kicked it straight through the uprights!"

its funny that anyone questioning the police work in this case are pro brown. How about if some people are just anti- shoddy policing.Brown just happens to be the collateral damage

I think we need to have a larger discussion on "shoddy policing" and whether or not officers involved in shootings adhere to protocols. In the Cleveland shooting of the 12 year old, I believe that that child is dead because the officer driving the vehicle was incredibly negligent. There is no way that officer followed procedures pulling his vehicle within 5 feet of a suspect believed to have a gun.

I think the officer driving that car should be fired and should face criminal prosecution for his actions which unnecessarily caused the death of this child. I am not a lawyer...so I don't know if manslaughter or what the appropriate charge should be...but that is my feeling on this matter.

I don't think it is fair to expect an officer to follow every protocol to a "t", but gross violation of these protocols should have consequences.

That shooting was a horrible example of reacting to fast ...they should have created a distance between them and the suspect. They claim to have told that child to raise his hands 3 times...when? as they were pulling up to him at a screeching halt? That said the kid was pulling the realistic looking bb gun out from his pants as they pulled up...he almost left them with no choice at that point. They should have been told a possible juvenile was armed with what could be a toy gun. Horrible policing from start to finish ...but the kid played his part also ...so sad.

Whoever is saying that is a ####### liar...unless they are referring to the use of the speaker as they are rolling up Starsky and Hutch style on the kid.