Lost in all the stupid Colts threads..... (1 Viewer)

[Fumbleweed]

....is the fact that they didn't exactly lose to a cream puff of a team. The Steelers are something like 28-4 the last two seasons with Roethlisberger at QB. They were way better than their 12-5 record coming into the game as at least a couple of those losses occurred with Ben either out or hurt. I for one don't think the Colts choked on anything. I think those were two extremely good teams and one narrowly beat the other. I think people are forgetting how good the Steelers are.......like I said, 28-4 with Ben as the starter is pretty darn awesome. Give the Steelers some due.....

 

[gman8343]

so Indy expected to play a horrible team in the playoffs?

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Agreed. Some forget that this is basically the same Steelers team that went 15-1 last year. Including the playoffs the Steelers are 29-7 the past two years, including 15-3 on the road. Roethlisberger is 25-4 as a starter over that time.

 

[Joe Bryant]

....is the fact that they didn't exactly lose to a cream puff of a team. The Steelers are something like 28-4 the last two seasons with Roethlisberger at QB. They were way better than their 12-5 record coming into the game as at least a couple of those losses occurred with Ben either out or hurt.

I for one don't think the Colts choked on anything. I think those were two extremely good teams and one narrowly beat the other. I think people are forgetting how good the Steelers are.......like I said, 28-4 with Ben as the starter is pretty darn awesome.

Give the Steelers some due.....

Fumble.The Steelers are VERY good. I at the folks acting like the Texans took them down or something.

He's 3-6 in the playoffs. That's bad. No question. Not much else to say there.

But I'm amazed at the people who aren't giving Pittsburgh some due. This was on par with Philadelphia shutting down Tomlinson earlier in the year. Fantastic job by this defense. And fantastic job by the Steelers offense jumping out of the gate so fast and forcing the game for Indy.

Takes two teams to play the game.

J

 

[Fumbleweed]

so Indy expected to play a horrible team in the playoffs?

Of course not. I'm just saying that #6 seed is VERY misleading. If Ben had been healthy all year, this would be the #3 seed in the AFC at worst. Maybe #2. This Steelers team is really, really good when Ben is healthy. As good as the Colts.

 

[gman8343]

so Indy expected to play a horrible team in the playoffs?

Of course not. I'm just saying that #6 seed is VERY misleading. If Ben had been healthy all year, this would be the #3 seed in the AFC at worst. Maybe #2. This Steelers team is really, really good when Ben is healthy. As good as the Colts.

Better than the Colts it would seem.

 

[Fumbleweed]

so Indy expected to play a horrible team in the playoffs?

Of course not. I'm just saying that #6 seed is VERY misleading. If Ben had been healthy all year, this would be the #3 seed in the AFC at worst. Maybe #2. This Steelers team is really, really good when Ben is healthy. As good as the Colts.

Better than the Colts it would seem.

Indeed.

 

[Jeremy]

To my untrained eye, it did look like the better team won yesterday.

 

[popeye.]

To my untrained eye, it did look like the better team won yesterday.

I used both and came to the same conclusion.

 

[Wadsworth]

But the colts were suppose to be a good team also. The last time and only time a team that started 13-0 lost it's first playoff game like 1934. No 1 seed has never lost to a 6 seed. The colts were at home, inside on turf. Denver had just taken out the colts nemisis. The colts were basically healthy. And if not for some questionable call that game wouldn't have been close. At least they scored more that 3 points this year. Yes, the Steelers are a very good football team. But if you want to win anything in the AFC play offs recently you are going to have to beat a good team. There were 2 pretty good teams that didn't even make it into the play offs. The AFC has been very tough recently and this season the colts were top dog. Yesterday they played like lap dogs.

 

[CrossEyed]

So can we now stop with all the talk that Cowher can't win a big playoff game? That was a pretty big game, and coaching was a big reason that the Steelers won.

 

[IndyHavoc]

So can we now stop with all the talk that Cowher can't win a big playoff game? That was a pretty big game, and coaching was a big reason that the Steelers won.

**** Labeau?

 

[Kosar]

So can we now stop with all the talk that Cowher can't win a big playoff game? That was a pretty big game, and coaching was a big reason that the Steelers won.

Uh, no. He's going to have win next week and two weeks from then to shed that skin.

 

[Steelers4Life]

So can we now stop with all the talk that Cowher can't win a big playoff game?  That was a pretty big game, and coaching was a big reason that the Steelers won.

Uh, no. He's going to have win next week and two weeks from then to shed that skin.

Yep, because a coach that has led a team to 6 AFC Championship games in 14 years obviously hasn't won any big games along the way.

 

[CrossEyed]

So can we now stop with all the talk that Cowher can't win a big playoff game? That was a pretty big game, and coaching was a big reason that the Steelers won.

**** Labeau?

You think Cowher wasn't involved in the defensive gameplan? People make me laugh. When ther Steelers lose, it's Cowher's fault. When they win, it's beacuse of the coordinators. You can't have it both ways.

 

[CrossEyed]

Just another point. I've heard people saying that Cowher went too conservative late in the game. The guy went for it on 4th down twice on the same drive. How conservative was that?

 

[Fumbleweed]

So can we now stop with all the talk that Cowher can't win a big playoff game?  That was a pretty big game, and coaching was a big reason that the Steelers won.

Uh, no. He's going to have win next week and two weeks from then to shed that skin.

Yep, because a coach that has led a team to 6 AFC Championship games in 14 years obviously hasn't won any big games along the way.

No kidding. The Steelers have been an upper echilon NFL team nearly every year with Cowher as coach.

 

[Kosar]

So can we now stop with all the talk that Cowher can't win a big playoff game?  That was a pretty big game, and coaching was a big reason that the Steelers won.

Uh, no. He's going to have win next week and two weeks from then to shed that skin.

Yep, because a coach that has led a team to 6 AFC Championship games in 14 years obviously hasn't won any big games along the way.

Call it what you will. Marty Schottenheimer gets the same crap. If Cowher is with a different organization, he ### is canned way before now, deserved or not.And by the way, I like Bill Cowher. I love the enthusiasm and the fact he has had a job with one organization this long. I can't stand the Steelers, but I like Cowher (and Bettis).

 

[Fumbleweed]

So can we now stop with all the talk that Cowher can't win a big playoff game?  That was a pretty big game, and coaching was a big reason that the Steelers won.

Uh, no. He's going to have win next week and two weeks from then to shed that skin.

Yep, because a coach that has led a team to 6 AFC Championship games in 14 years obviously hasn't won any big games along the way.

Call it what you will. Marty Schottenheimer gets the same crap. If Cowher is with a different organization, he ### is canned way before now, deserved or not.And by the way, I like Bill Cowher. I love the enthusiasm and the fact he has had a job with one organization this long. I can't stand the Steelers, but I like Cowher (and Bettis).

And, the fact that the Steelers haven't been quick to "can" him is exactly why the team is so successful by and large. The Steelers are one of the most stable franchises in the league.

 

[Steelers4Life]

So can we now stop with all the talk that Cowher can't win a big playoff game?  That was a pretty big game, and coaching was a big reason that the Steelers won.

Uh, no. He's going to have win next week and two weeks from then to shed that skin.

Yep, because a coach that has led a team to 6 AFC Championship games in 14 years obviously hasn't won any big games along the way.

Call it what you will. Marty Schottenheimer gets the same crap. If Cowher is with a different organization, he ### is canned way before now, deserved or not.And by the way, I like Bill Cowher. I love the enthusiasm and the fact he has had a job with one organization this long. I can't stand the Steelers, but I like Cowher (and Bettis).

Don't put Schottenheimer in the same sentence as Cowher, please.Marty is 5-12 career in the playoffs, and he has 3 AFC Championship appearances in 19 years of coaching, never making the Super Bowl.

Cowher is now 10-9 in the playoffs with 6 AFC Championship appearances in 14 seasons, appearing in the Super Bowl once.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Just another point. I've heard people saying that Cowher went too conservative late in the game. The guy went for it on 4th down twice on the same drive. How conservative was that?

Hi CE,I think what most people are thinking there is totally abandoning the passing game. I'm ok with that though. Roethlisberger + injuries + Steeler run game + Steeler defense would have me going to conservative game plan in the 2nd half too.

J

 

[Kosar]

So can we now stop with all the talk that Cowher can't win a big playoff game?  That was a pretty big game, and coaching was a big reason that the Steelers won.

Uh, no. He's going to have win next week and two weeks from then to shed that skin.

Yep, because a coach that has led a team to 6 AFC Championship games in 14 years obviously hasn't won any big games along the way.

Call it what you will. Marty Schottenheimer gets the same crap. If Cowher is with a different organization, he ### is canned way before now, deserved or not.And by the way, I like Bill Cowher. I love the enthusiasm and the fact he has had a job with one organization this long. I can't stand the Steelers, but I like Cowher (and Bettis).

Don't put Schottenheimer in the same sentence as Cowher, please.Marty is 5-12 career in the playoffs, and he has 3 AFC Championship appearances in 19 years of coaching, never making the Super Bowl.

Cowher is now 10-9 in the playoffs with 6 AFC Championship appearances in 14 seasons, appearing in the Super Bowl once.

Making the playoffs more and not "finishing the deal" more makes things worse, IMO.The stigma is still there. Of course I'm not going to convince Steeler's homers here, especially with my nickname, but it is there.

 

[Ed Wood]

Give the Steelers some due.....

Defintely worthy of some due. However, Indy blasted a month and a half agf course, Chicago whipped Carolina a month and a half ago too.

 

[Wadsworth]

Just another point.  I've heard people saying that Cowher went too conservative late in the game.  The guy went for it on 4th down twice on the same drive.  How conservative was that?

Hi CE,I think what most people are thinking there is totally abandoning the passing game. I'm ok with that though. Roethlisberger + injuries + Steeler run game + Steeler defense would have me going to conservative game plan in the 2nd half too.

J

And isn't Cowher something like 2,348 and 2 when leading at the start of the 4th quarter? I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Steelers4Life]

So can we now stop with all the talk that Cowher can't win a big playoff game?  That was a pretty big game, and coaching was a big reason that the Steelers won.

Uh, no. He's going to have win next week and two weeks from then to shed that skin.

Yep, because a coach that has led a team to 6 AFC Championship games in 14 years obviously hasn't won any big games along the way.

Call it what you will. Marty Schottenheimer gets the same crap. If Cowher is with a different organization, he ### is canned way before now, deserved or not.And by the way, I like Bill Cowher. I love the enthusiasm and the fact he has had a job with one organization this long. I can't stand the Steelers, but I like Cowher (and Bettis).

Don't put Schottenheimer in the same sentence as Cowher, please.Marty is 5-12 career in the playoffs, and he has 3 AFC Championship appearances in 19 years of coaching, never making the Super Bowl.

Cowher is now 10-9 in the playoffs with 6 AFC Championship appearances in 14 seasons, appearing in the Super Bowl once.

Making the playoffs more and not "finishing the deal" more makes things worse, IMO.The stigma is still there. Of course I'm not going to convince Steeler's homers here, especially with my nickname, but it is there.

Yep, the stigma is there. But it shouldn't be. Look at the teams he's lost to in the AFC Championships.1994 - Lost to a Chargers team that they should've beaten. Cowher was a 40 year old head coach in his first AFCC, but that was a bad loss.

1997 - Denver and John Elway. Kordell Stewart turned the ball over 4 times in a 3 point loss. You can make up a talent difference at a lot of places, but QB is a tough one.

2001 - The Patriots and Tom Brady. Special teams cost them 14 points and the game.

2004 - Again, the Patriots and Tom Brady. Many forget the Steelers were home underdogs to a better team, and Roethlisberger was completely worn out.

Cowher doesn't deserve a lot of the criticism he gets. It's not about being a homer at all. The guy's been an outstanding coach for 14 years.

 

[PunxPack]

How can anyone bash Cowher with a straight face (no chin pun intended)? How many organizations in the NFL would love to have this guy as their head coach instead of their current guy?As a Steeler fan, I'm as frustrated as anyone that they haven't been able to win the Super Bowl (yet), but I would rather be in the hunt every year than make it to the playoffs one out of every 2 or 3 years.

 

[Fumbleweed]

Making the playoffs more and not "finishing the deal" more makes things worse, IMO.

The stigma is still there. Of course I'm not going to convince Steeler's homers here, especially with my nickname, but it is there.

Only one coach a year "finishes the deal". If everyone who doesn't "finish the deal" is your criteria for failure, then yes, almost everybody fails.

 

[Kosar]

Making the playoffs more and not "finishing the deal" more makes things worse, IMO.

The stigma is still there.  Of course I'm not going to convince Steeler's homers here, especially with my nickname, but it is there.

Only one coach a year "finishes the deal". If everyone who doesn't "finish the deal" is your criteria for failure, then yes, almost everybody fails.

You're obviously taking my comments out of context. Not every coach has been to the title game 5 times and won 1 (with #6 coming up).

 

[Fumbleweed]

Making the playoffs more and not "finishing the deal" more makes things worse, IMO.

The stigma is still there.  Of course I'm not going to convince Steeler's homers here, especially with my nickname, but it is there.

Only one coach a year "finishes the deal". If everyone who doesn't "finish the deal" is your criteria for failure, then yes, almost everybody fails.

You're obviously taking my comments out of context. Not every coach has been to the title game 5 times and won 1 (with #6 coming up).

If you're saying that Cowher may get out-coached in AFC title games, then I agree with you.....but the coaches he's lost to are Belicheck and Shanahan. Maybe he can't close the deal because he's not quite as good a coach as those two are. That's possible. That still doesn't mean he's not a heckuva coach with a proven track record for winning. And yes, I may have taken your comments too far...if so, sorry about that.

 

[Kosar]

Making the playoffs more and not "finishing the deal" more makes things worse, IMO.

The stigma is still there.  Of course I'm not going to convince Steeler's homers here, especially with my nickname, but it is there.

Only one coach a year "finishes the deal". If everyone who doesn't "finish the deal" is your criteria for failure, then yes, almost everybody fails.

You're obviously taking my comments out of context. Not every coach has been to the title game 5 times and won 1 (with #6 coming up).

If you're saying that Cowher may get out-coached in AFC title games, then I agree with you.....but the coaches he's lost to are Belicheck and Shanahan. Maybe he can't close the deal because he's not quite as good a coach as those two are. That's possible. That still doesn't mean he's not a heckuva coach with a proven track record for winning. And yes, I may have taken your comments too far...if so, sorry about that.

I'm definitely not saying he's a bad coach. The track record does speak for itself, and believe me, I would love for our teams' situations to be reversed.