Lowball offers from FBG's (1 Viewer)

[ConstruxBoy]

Low ball offers are made by chumps.Offer him the same offer he made you and see how he responds to you.

I don't get it. If you offer him the same offer he made you, won't he just accept???

 

[Ned]

Worse than low ball offers are those who say, "What would you want for so and so?" They want a player on your team, but don't want to make an effort to put together an initial offer. If I see a player on a team that I covet I try to make them a decent initial offer, so I expect the same.

agreed 1000%

I understand your point, but how is a lowball offer showing that he's making an effort?If I wanted Reggie Bush from you, would you prefer if I offered Brandon Jacobs, or simply asked if he was available? Does either show an effort is being made?

But yes, a decent initial offer is always preferred.

theres a difference. asking if reggie was available is one thing. asking what i want for him is another. saying "what do you want for reggie" is lazy and annoying. if you want reggie, either start with an offer to show me you really mean business or just ask if he's available for trade.

I don't get this at all. So it is 'annoying and lazy' if I send out an email to a fellow leaguemate inquiring about a player? And please, you're splitting hairs by saying asking about a player is OK but asking what you might want for him is not. Why should a person be expected to put together a 10 page trade proposal when the other party may have no interest in moving him or if their perceived value of him is off the charts?This is just another example of how owners shut themselves out of potential trading parties and thereby lessening their available avenues of improving their teams.

If someone sends you an email saying are you at all interested in moving so and so, don't get your panties in a bunch just because they don't offer trades like do. You now have a potential trading partner and you are bargaining from a position of strength. You know who he wants and he is probably willing to give you a bit more to get him. If you are interested, simply write back 'yes' and see what happens. Or if you want to give him more guidelines, send him a few players on his roster or positions you would like to focus on in return. You can still make him do most of the work AND you don't lose a potential trading partner to help improve your team, now and in the future.

Hehe While people like Johny U and those who agree with them are calling it lazy when people ask them if a player is available for trade and asking for a ball park idea of what they would want in return.. they are in fact being lazy or else stone walling by not giving a response.

This doesen't help anyone.

Sometimes when people inquire about what I want for a player I will say in response "you do not want to know" This happens when I look at thier roster and see nothing I will move that player for. Or if I know I value that player too highly for it to be feasable.

Most of the time it is useful information for me though. I know they want player X. Okay I look at the owners roster and see what I might move that player for. TOO EASY. I am dealing from a position of strength I have somthing that they want. I can set the price HIGH and see what happens if I see somthing I would like to do.

That people consider this poor form and wanting the other owner to come up with an offer 1st to me is either lazy on thier part or else they want to keep as much secret as possible and let the other guy throw darts at what might move them. Nice let that owner grope around in the dark and see if they stumble making you an unbelievable offer you cannot resisit.

And they call this opening discussion annoying.. nothing more annoying than trying to deal with a mute when trying to put together a deal.

Not many people make as many trades as I do, and I go about it the way I stated. If I'm interested in a player on another team, I try to make as good of an offer as possible on the first one. It works for me and I have the titles to prove I'm doing ok with it. I expect the same when someone wants a player on my team. It cuts through all the haggling. Yes, there usually is some tweaking, but if we are close on the initial offer it makes a deal more possible.

see this guy knows stuff. while youre tip toeing around asking what someone wants for a player that you are pursuing, we're out there getting results with making good sound starting offers.

 

[-OZ-]

Worse than low ball offers are those who say, "What would you want for so and so?" They want a player on your team, but don't want to make an effort to put together an initial offer. If I see a player on a team that I covet I try to make them a decent initial offer, so I expect the same.

agreed 1000%

I understand your point, but how is a lowball offer showing that he's making an effort?If I wanted Reggie Bush from you, would you prefer if I offered Brandon Jacobs, or simply asked if he was available? Does either show an effort is being made?

But yes, a decent initial offer is always preferred.

theres a difference. asking if reggie was available is one thing. asking what i want for him is another. saying "what do you want for reggie" is lazy and annoying. if you want reggie, either start with an offer to show me you really mean business or just ask if he's available for trade.

I don't get this at all. So it is 'annoying and lazy' if I send out an email to a fellow leaguemate inquiring about a player? And please, you're splitting hairs by saying asking about a player is OK but asking what you might want for him is not. Why should a person be expected to put together a 10 page trade proposal when the other party may have no interest in moving him or if their perceived value of him is off the charts?This is just another example of how owners shut themselves out of potential trading parties and thereby lessening their available avenues of improving their teams.

If someone sends you an email saying are you at all interested in moving so and so, don't get your panties in a bunch just because they don't offer trades like do. You now have a potential trading partner and you are bargaining from a position of strength. You know who he wants and he is probably willing to give you a bit more to get him. If you are interested, simply write back 'yes' and see what happens. Or if you want to give him more guidelines, send him a few players on his roster or positions you would like to focus on in return. You can still make him do most of the work AND you don't lose a potential trading partner to help improve your team, now and in the future.

Hehe While people like Johny U and those who agree with them are calling it lazy when people ask them if a player is available for trade and asking for a ball park idea of what they would want in return.. they are in fact being lazy or else stone walling by not giving a response.

This doesen't help anyone.

Sometimes when people inquire about what I want for a player I will say in response "you do not want to know" This happens when I look at thier roster and see nothing I will move that player for. Or if I know I value that player too highly for it to be feasable.

Most of the time it is useful information for me though. I know they want player X. Okay I look at the owners roster and see what I might move that player for. TOO EASY. I am dealing from a position of strength I have somthing that they want. I can set the price HIGH and see what happens if I see somthing I would like to do.

That people consider this poor form and wanting the other owner to come up with an offer 1st to me is either lazy on thier part or else they want to keep as much secret as possible and let the other guy throw darts at what might move them. Nice let that owner grope around in the dark and see if they stumble making you an unbelievable offer you cannot resisit.

And they call this opening discussion annoying.. nothing more annoying than trying to deal with a mute when trying to put together a deal.

Not many people make as many trades as I do, and I go about it the way I stated. If I'm interested in a player on another team, I try to make as good of an offer as possible on the first one. It works for me and I have the titles to prove I'm doing ok with it. I expect the same when someone wants a player on my team. It cuts through all the haggling. Yes, there usually is some tweaking, but if we are close on the initial offer it makes a deal more possible.

see this guy knows stuff. while youre tip toeing around asking what someone wants for a player that you are pursuing, we're out there getting results with making good sound starting offers.

There's different ways to go about this, I've used different routes with different success depending on the other owner. Usually, if he's interested in a deal, it won't matter how I initiated it.

 

[Couch Potato]

I can see where the two camps are both coming from.

Camp #1: JohnnyU and Ned are saying "Hey, if you come knocking on my door wanting to buy something I haven't even put up for sale, you need to start with an offer. It's you who has a specific interest in someone, it's you who who has made the initial contact, so don't put it on me to come up with trade ideas for you when I wasn't shopping my guy in the first place."

Camp #2: Salmonstud and others are saying "I'm happy to make a specific offer once I first know some parameters, but I first want to know if the player is even available, and if so, a general idea what the other owner is looking for (RB, WR, picks, etc.). There's no point in going to the effort of developing an offer if the effort will be futile no matter what it is."

I do think it wrong for someone to contact me, tell me he wants a specific player I own, and asks me to look at his roster and make him an offer involving my guy. Hopefully Camp #1 can see the difference between this and what Camp #2 is doing, and hopefully Camp #2 can see without explanation why Camp #1 views such tactics as inappropriate.