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LT or Jonathon Stewart (1 Viewer)
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Avery
Footballguy
If you're talking about what's on your roster or a trade, Stewart easy.If it's a draft, it's not really a choice because Stewart should go well before LT so you can have them both, if you like.
Brady Gaga
Footballguy
Stewart
Sincerely,
-LT's Mom
Sincerely,
-LT's Mom
Texasmouth
Footballguy
Redraft PPR- LT- will get tons of touches, has an injury prone guy starting and he is a respected veteran on a team looking for a leader with super bowl ambitions. He also has a huge chip on his shoulder and has been playing like a man on a mission. Let's not forget LT didnt even practice half the time in San Diego, let alone play in preseason games.
Dynasty- obviously Stewart is younger but he cant stay healthy, has a great back ahead of him and is going several rounds before LT.
Dynasty- obviously Stewart is younger but he cant stay healthy, has a great back ahead of him and is going several rounds before LT.
Chaka
Footballguy
It is not so crazy to think LT could outproduce Stewart in some formats.
Stewart hasn't practiced at all.
By all indications LT looks great.
The Jets led the league in rushing last year with 607 attempts (82 more than Carolina).
The Jets defense will allow them to come close to leading the league in rushing attempts again.
The Jets have a better offensive line.
Shonn Greene isn't a great receiver.
Deangelo Williams limits Stewart (at least as much as Greene limits LT).
Not saying it will happen but I think LT with the Jets has a 1993 Marcus Allen in KC season in him.
Stewart hasn't practiced at all.
By all indications LT looks great.
The Jets led the league in rushing last year with 607 attempts (82 more than Carolina).
The Jets defense will allow them to come close to leading the league in rushing attempts again.
The Jets have a better offensive line.
Shonn Greene isn't a great receiver.
Deangelo Williams limits Stewart (at least as much as Greene limits LT).
Not saying it will happen but I think LT with the Jets has a 1993 Marcus Allen in KC season in him.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
I concur 100%. He passes the visual test. He looks fast, powerful, and is making great moves/cuts. He's running behind the best line in football. And he's extremely motivated to prove naysayers wrong. Watch out.
Unwrittenlaw
Footballguy
value/draft position wise - LT
dynasty - Stewart
redraft - Stewart
P.S.: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig...son-43-yard-run
dynasty - Stewart
redraft - Stewart
P.S.: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlig...son-43-yard-run
Resident A
Footballguy
Contrary to what the talking heads say, I say they're even in redrafts, though if pressed I'd bet LT has more fantasy points this year.
I still cannot believe Stewart is going in the 4th round. The guy is a flex play or RB3 UNLESS DeAngelo goes down again. And that is a big IF, predicting an injury. In 1 of my leagues, a team drafted Stewart as their top RB, I can't understand it. There are several other back-up RBs in the NFL that could be top-12 if the guy in front of them goes down, but they aren't get drafted in the early 4th round. I'm not a gambling man, I'd rather have a RB who gets more than 40% of his team's carries for my 4th round pick.
Tomlinson is basically the same thing as Stewart. A very good RB on a run-first team, with a good O-line, but stuck behind another guy. Either guy could be a RB1 if the starter goes down. If I can get LT in the 7th-8th round, why spend a high pick on Stewart?
I still cannot believe Stewart is going in the 4th round. The guy is a flex play or RB3 UNLESS DeAngelo goes down again. And that is a big IF, predicting an injury. In 1 of my leagues, a team drafted Stewart as their top RB, I can't understand it. There are several other back-up RBs in the NFL that could be top-12 if the guy in front of them goes down, but they aren't get drafted in the early 4th round. I'm not a gambling man, I'd rather have a RB who gets more than 40% of his team's carries for my 4th round pick.
Tomlinson is basically the same thing as Stewart. A very good RB on a run-first team, with a good O-line, but stuck behind another guy. Either guy could be a RB1 if the starter goes down. If I can get LT in the 7th-8th round, why spend a high pick on Stewart?
joffer
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
Additionally if neither starter goes down there should be more carries to split up in New York than Carolina.LT just seems like the right play to me in this situation.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Stewart averaged 5.1 yards a carry last year. Tomlinson averaged 3.3. How are they basically the same thing?
shnikies
Footballguy
I would take Stewart in a heartbeat but using Tomlinson's ypc average from last year isn't good evidence. He's on the Jets now.Stewart averaged 5.1 yards a carry last year. Tomlinson averaged 3.3. How are they basically the same thing?
Is this some type of trick question? The answer is Stewart by a mile.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I think it's kind of nice to even see these two guys in the same conversation.
s/ LT owner
s/ LT owner
General Malaise
Footballguy
He's also a year older and not exactly trending in the right direction. He's gone from 4.7 to 3.8 to 3.3. And it's not like he was playing for Cleveland or Detroit. I'm not sure what sort of evidence you like to use, but from what I can see, I don't want any part of Tomlinson. Jets or not.I would take Stewart in a heartbeat but using Tomlinson's ypc average from last year isn't good evidence. He's on the Jets now.Stewart averaged 5.1 yards a carry last year. Tomlinson averaged 3.3. How are they basically the same thing?
Clifford
Footballguy
fixed
Chaka
Footballguy
Philistine.He's also a year older and not exactly trending in the right direction. He's gone from 4.7 to 3.8 to 3.3. And it's not like he was playing for Cleveland or Detroit. I'm not sure what sort of evidence you like to use, but from what I can see, I don't want any part of Tomlinson. Jets or not.I would take Stewart in a heartbeat but using Tomlinson's ypc average from last year isn't good evidence. He's on the Jets now.Stewart averaged 5.1 yards a carry last year. Tomlinson averaged 3.3. How are they basically the same thing?
shnikies
Footballguy
Like I said, I would take Stewart in a heartbeat but using a statistic like YPC when he's going to possibly the strongest run blocking team in the NFL is one of the weaker arguments one could make. His depreciating skills would be better or the fact nobody really knows what role he'll have is another.Philistine.He's also a year older and not exactly trending in the right direction. He's gone from 4.7 to 3.8 to 3.3. And it's not like he was playing for Cleveland or Detroit. I'm not sure what sort of evidence you like to use, but from what I can see, I don't want any part of Tomlinson. Jets or not.I would take Stewart in a heartbeat but using Tomlinson's ypc average from last year isn't good evidence. He's on the Jets now.Stewart averaged 5.1 yards a carry last year. Tomlinson averaged 3.3. How are they basically the same thing?
Stewart was a solid #2 rb last year and I don't see why that would change. Barring injury, the Pathers are virtually a lock to produce two 1,000 yard rushers again this season. It's pretty disingenuous to call him a backup, Williams had 216 carries to Stewarts 221 last season.And I don't care how great LT has looked this preseason, because he's going to look worn down by midseason. When aging players lose it in the NFL, it doesn't come back.
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shnikies
Footballguy
I agree with everything you said except using the carry totals and not mentioning the fact that Deangelo missed almost a quarter of the season last year. Had he been healthy it would have been more like Deangelo's 275 to Stewart's 175
Williams missed weeks 13, 16, 17 and was limited in week 15. In those games Stewart had 26, 25, 28 and 16 carries (95 carries). His average for the rest of the season was 13 carries a game (throwing out week 3 when he had 3 carries for -1 yards). Assuming those four weeks are replaced with his average, thats 95-52=43, and 221-43=178. So, you seem to be right on with your number; but I'll play the contrarian say he would have finished with 190 carries if Williams was healthy.
Anyway, I think Stewart will be around 200 carries this season to Williams 250. Close to the production but half the price.
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Barksdale Ballers
Footballguy
i think that's the better question: would you rather have DeAngelo with your late first/early 2nd round pick or Stewart with an early 4th round pick? I took Greene over DWwill at 13 knowing I could get Stewart in the 4th and not wanting them both. Even when DWill is healthy Stewart i favored in the red zone, so he has value no matter what and could be top 10 easy if DWill goes down or they de-emphasize him in a contract year for negotiating leverage given how much they like Stewart.Williams missed weeks 13, 16, 17 and was limited in week 15. In those games Stewart had 26, 25, 28 and 16 carries (95 carries). His average for the rest of the season was 13 carries a game (throwing out week 3 when he had 3 carries for -1 yards). Assuming those four weeks are replaced with his average, thats 95-52=43, and 221-43=178. So, you seem to be right on with your number; but I'll play the contrarian say he would have finished with 190 carries if Williams was healthy.Anyway, I think Stewart will be around 200 carries this season to Williams 250. Close to the production but half the price.
