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RB Jonathon Brooks, CAR (1 Viewer)
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Hot Sauce Guy
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@rockaction also as a Chuba shareholder, this isn’t exactly terrible news headed into the playoffs. 
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Best call of the year my man. Not often you get a RB1 in the 13th-14th round without anything changing significantly from the pre-season. Chubb was going 4-5 rounds earlier than him.@rockaction also as a Chuba shareholder, this isn’t exactly terrible news headed into the playoffs.
eighsse2
Footballguy
I thought recovery could be well under a year in some cases?
I doubt it in this case, 2nd time tearing it, and are they going to want to rush him back after seeing what happened this year, seems unlikely we'll see him before 2026.
Terpman22
Footballguy
Isn't it the other knee?
eighsse2
Footballguy
Someone here said they thought it was the opposite knee? But they seemed uncertain iirc.
No, same one.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I thought that it looked like the left knee went dead but the other thing to remember is that I’m an idiot. The espn article above says that it is his right knee
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Same knee, as it turns out.
The Future Champs
Footballguy
Drafted him instead of Bowers b/c I needed the RB and Pitts was going to cover my TE slot.
I hate fantasy football.
I hate fantasy football.
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
His career may be over before it even really begins. Two ACL tears to the same knee ~13 months apart? I dont think he'll ever have the explosiveness/agility he displayed prior.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Frank Gore says, "hold my beer".
simey
Footballguy
Thomas Davis (Panthers) tore his ACL three seasons in a row on the same knee, and all three tears happened within 23 months, and he went on to play 9 more seasons after he healed. I know he wasn't a running back, but he played very well on defense after the three tears. Hopefully Brooks will have the same success as Davis.
Ray Barboni
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Yea, I thought of him here. But man, that’s a stretch - HOF RB (right?) and also times were different. Not to get all crusty old man here, but yea - dudes were built different. Sure we can point to the new medical advancements, but the reason Frank Gore was successful is because he a had a special type of dog in him - maybe Brooks does as well, or maybe he’s just always gonna be a backup RB after this.
I don't believe Gore's tears were the same knee. I believe he tore the right one first and then a year later tore the left one while still in college. I remember this pretty clearly when drafting him in dynasty back in the day but I could be wrong.
beef
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Did the same. I've been burned too many times by TEs, talked myself into the high upside potential of Brooks. oof...
Edit, this league scoring is also super heavy RB premium.
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rockaction
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We had a guy take Brooks at 1.02. I was the fourth guy (1.04). You’d think I would have picked Bowers after the inevitable Harrison/Nabers picks. Nope. I picked Odunze, who I flipped with Jerome Ford and the 3.08 for Nabers (I’m still giddy about it). In retrospect, I should have taken Bowers, but we only get .2 for receptions for any position. I had Njoku, Kincaid, and Musgrave. No way I was going Bowers.
But man, I watched a guy take Brooks over Bowers right up close. I can also see why people do it. I’m a firm believer in BPA, but here’s the thing. I’m a firm believer of it until it comes to putting it in practice. They always say you can trade for positional requirements. Anybody who has played this game knows that’s ********. RB trade premiums are so high in fantasy football leagues that drafted RBs are the only way to get them without paying exorbitant amounts of trade capital. At least in the leagues I play in.
And I get the sneaking suspicion that people who say you can always “just trade” play in tons of leagues where if they have a league and they’re missing an RB because they can’t find a good trading partner, they just shrug and move on. It’s harder when you have, say, two leagues and you’re fighting to make each team as good as you can with owners that don’t necessarily hang out on fantasy message boards like we do.
Anyway, I can just see it is all.
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zamboni
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Feel so bad for Brooks - that's really tough. Easy for us to just move on as fantasy owners, but this kid has to endure a grueling physical and mental recovery over again after just having completed it.
As for taking Brooks over Bowers, I'm sure a lot of people did that. RBs are always a premium and he was the top RB in the class that was devoid of rookie depth at the position. I doubt few saw Bowers blowing up this quickly, especially with Mayer just having been drafted the year before in the 2nd round.
As for taking Brooks over Bowers, I'm sure a lot of people did that. RBs are always a premium and he was the top RB in the class that was devoid of rookie depth at the position. I doubt few saw Bowers blowing up this quickly, especially with Mayer just having been drafted the year before in the 2nd round.
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Please be more cool to other posters. Best Player Available always can be an interesting discussion. But please don't do it like this. Thanks.
Bowers fell to 7 in a few of my dynasty drafts, sometimes Brooks went over him sometimes it was the other WR's like McConkey or Thomas or Worthy. I think people were pretty gunshy about all these "great rookie TE's" the last few years that had disappointed. Plus the Raiders had just spent a high pick on Mayer the year before.
Brooks seemed like a shaky pick given the injury but that didn't stop a lot of people from drafting him highly or another a slew of other equally good prospects outside the top 3.
Brooks seemed like a shaky pick given the injury but that didn't stop a lot of people from drafting him highly or another a slew of other equally good prospects outside the top 3.
Ironman2131
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I'm one of the idiots that took Brooks over Bowers. My logic at the time seemed okay but was shaky in hindsight (my thought was Brooks was going to be playing by mid-season and the starter late, and we have to start a rookie, which isn't very TE-friendly). At this point, it was just downright stupid. I should have just taken Bowers or traded down and picked up Thomas. Instead, I've now ended up with a completely unproductive 1st round pick in three of the last four years (Trey Lance and Treylon Burks, with Jahmyr Gibbs the lone bright spot last year). I'm starting to hate picking in the middle of the 1st round.
jm192
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Bowers fell to me at 10 in my 0.5 PPR IDP dynasty.
Brooks went 1.06. Benson went 1.08. I would have taken either RB over Bowers on draft day. I had Mark Andrews AND Dalton Kincaid. I thought Kincaid would be what Bowers and McBride have been. Except he's tied to an MVP candidate and has way higher TD upside.
By the time it got to me, it was Bowers vs McConkey. I had Bowers #4 in my overall rookie rankings (MHJ, Nabers, Rome). But as others have said: It's SO incredibly hard to get RB's. Better to be lucky than good sometimes.
Brooks went 1.06. Benson went 1.08. I would have taken either RB over Bowers on draft day. I had Mark Andrews AND Dalton Kincaid. I thought Kincaid would be what Bowers and McBride have been. Except he's tied to an MVP candidate and has way higher TD upside.
By the time it got to me, it was Bowers vs McConkey. I had Bowers #4 in my overall rookie rankings (MHJ, Nabers, Rome). But as others have said: It's SO incredibly hard to get RB's. Better to be lucky than good sometimes.
King of the Jungle
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I doubt you are alone, so don’t beat yourself up too bad.
Ironman2131
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Yeah. You basically never get enough points from a rookie TE to justify starting them as a rookie, so that's a wasted season. Even Bowers, in a historic season for a rookie TE, was only the #9 rookie this season and #11 on a points/game basis, just behind a kicker. Rookie QBs are insanely valuable in this league because of the extra points, and the four teams with Daniels, Nix, Maye, and Williams all made the playoffs, including all three teams that finished in the money (and the one top team that didn't have a rookie QB has easily the best non-rookie squad and flamed out in the playoffs after throwing tons of assets chasing a rookie).
In years with no good rookie QB it's not as essential to have one. Still, because of the rule forcing us to start a rookie, this league is marked by some crazy turnarounds where often the 2-3 worst teams from one season will be among the strongest teams the following season. We're switching to PPR for the 2026 season, though, which should help balance things out a bit.
In years with no good rookie QB it's not as essential to have one. Still, because of the rule forcing us to start a rookie, this league is marked by some crazy turnarounds where often the 2-3 worst teams from one season will be among the strongest teams the following season. We're switching to PPR for the 2026 season, though, which should help balance things out a bit.
JohnnyU
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Jonathon Brooks undergoes surgery
Source: The Athletic - Joseph PersonCarolina Panthers RB Jonathon Brooks (knee) underwent surgery last week to repair his anterior cruciate ligament injury. He is expected to miss the entire 2025 season.
Our view: There's a real chance we don't see Brooks play next season. Chuba Hubbard's ADP is probably too low.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Brutal - great for Chuba - Brooks now becomes a roster/IR clogger in dynasty. Tough to even fathom dropping a 1st rd dynasty pick after one season but it may have to be considered if you have a deep team of solid reserves. Even assuming he plays in 2026 he'll be worked in slowly again and no chance to be anything but a complimentary back until at least 2027.
eighsse2
Footballguy
If you have IR spots, zero chance you're dropping this guy. Even if you have no IR spots I wouldn't be dropping him. I don't have him, but would like to.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
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I don't think that's necessarily the case. If he's fully healed and ready to rock in 26 maybe he could potentially carve a bigger role for himself alongside an older Hubbard.
Reality is he's probably nothing at this point either way. But a hard player to drop even in shallower formats given the price.
Hankmoody
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Depends on roster sizes and league format. I'm a huge Brooks truther (have him in 4/6 dynasty leagues) but I don't forsee being able to hold him in most of them. I'll likely drop him at final cuts in August and hope he stays out there to hit an open stash spot later.
eighsse2
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Yeah, I suppose leagues do vary, but hard to imagine it. Our league is 20 active +5 IR, start Q RR WW F K D. There's just no way in hell there are 5 better IR stashes. If I only had 2 IR spots, still seems almost unfathomable. Even if I had zero IR spots and had to have him on active roster or cut him, would be very tough to cut him unless you are just stacked with talent all the way down your roster.
Enzo....the Baker
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Shame
taylormeetstheismann
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I’ve got a contract league trade offer to get Brooks (4.3% of cap, four years left with nominal increase) for a fourth round pick next year. I’m in good position cap wise and I’m feeling inclined to do the deal, carry Brooks for a year and see what happens.
King of the Jungle
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Seems like a no-brainer to me.
Was a discussion on him in the FFPC thread a few days ago.
FFPC is smaller roster leagues to that my play a role but seemed like a few people thought of him as close to worthless. I saw he was available in a league last week, had no roster space, so traded Rachaad White for pick 3.7 and then traded 3.8 for Brooks. So depending on how it's viewed I paid 3.8 or White for him.
My thinking was he'll likely spend the year on IR. So he'll take up one of my 3 IR spots, which may or may not be an issue, but he won't clog a roster spot in-season. He did not play a ton at Texas, the few amount of game he will likely will have played over the preceding 2.5 years by the time we are in 2026 is an issue in terms of rust and development. And of course he may never physically be the same or be a huge injury risk. Still I wanted to take the gamble because he'll be 23 years old to begin the 2026 season, no joke one with a lot of tread on his tires, and he actually does have a chance to regain all of his physical ability. A chance I stress. It just all seemed worth a shot to me.
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taylormeetstheismann
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The other owner is just dumping cap as they are painted into a corner. Brooks will be $14/$300 and basically useless in 2025. But then I’ve got him for $15-16-17 in years 2026-27-28. Seems like a decent bet. I’m in great shape cap-wise. They asked for a fourth in 2026 which was basically asking for nothing. I might take an interest in CHubbard or any rookies CAR drafts.
That's what I love about salary cap leagues. Adds so many other elements to trading other than just player for player perceived value.
