RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
I think they should honestly trade Chuba, but if they don't, I agree about keeping Brooks out. They are playing for nothing besides the 1st overall pick.
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RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
That should be the plan with Chuba hitting FA after this year.
sheerterror
Footballguy
I don't think he'll be an RB1 if Chubba is on the roster.
Don't think we'll ever get this question answered.
Big Nate
Footballguy
I tried saying this earlier. Chuba has been playing really well and why rush back Brooks from injury? Let him get 100% both physically and mentally. Then they can afford to ease him in with Chuba being the lead guy.
WaltonGoggins
Footballguy
Chuba gone after this year if so doesn't matter how well or bad he plays they are playing for #1 pick. There's no rush either Brooks can either play or he can't they aren't paying him to sit his *** on the bench if he's good enough to go they want to see prior to next draft. Don't understand Chuba playing well or not makes any difference.
I own both in different leagues.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
Panthers should re-sign Hubbard if they can.
I'm a Brooks owner and believer as well but he's clearly a really good player and shouldn't demand a large contract.
I'm a Brooks owner and believer as well but he's clearly a really good player and shouldn't demand a large contract.
I can see him going to Dallas. Would fit perfectly.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
Doesn't seem like the sort of smart thing Dallas would do. They'll use their first round pick on someone flash to sell jerseys and remain uncompetitive.
Big Nate
Footballguy
Here is a scenario for those that don't own Brooks but want to. Brooks was likely drafted late round 1 in SF dynasty. If he went to a contending team he was a luxury pick, especially if they are contending again this year. If he comes back this week or next and only gets a small snap share maybe kick the tires to see if the owner would trade him for some production.
Maybe you have Najee or Mixon and aren't contending. Ship one to the Brooks owner in some package deal if they need some RB production. There may be an opportunity to buy if the current owner needs points. He still won't be cheap as everyone knew he would be out for a while but contending teams will be looking for points.
Maybe you have Najee or Mixon and aren't contending. Ship one to the Brooks owner in some package deal if they need some RB production. There may be an opportunity to buy if the current owner needs points. He still won't be cheap as everyone knew he would be out for a while but contending teams will be looking for points.
Penguin
Footballguy
Jonathon Brooks (knee) was a full participant at practice on Wednesday. (Carolina Panthers on Twitter)
Fantasy Impact:
Brooks was able to log a full practice session on Wednesday. He is currently in his 21-day practice window, but it looks like he is going to be promoted to the active roster in the very near future. Whenever he makes his debut for the Panthers, that will be bad news for the fantasy value of Chuba Hubbard for the rest of the season.
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Fantasy Impact:
Brooks was able to log a full practice session on Wednesday. He is currently in his 21-day practice window, but it looks like he is going to be promoted to the active roster in the very near future. Whenever he makes his debut for the Panthers, that will be bad news for the fantasy value of Chuba Hubbard for the rest of the season.
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I offered up Lamb for MHJ and Brooks in a SF dynasty and it was rejected. The team is one game out of first and needs a WR2. I can't believe he didn't take it with a chance at the title. Then Lamb put up 2 TD's and 150 yds. I haven't heard back from him
I wouldn’t take that either. Is 3 to 6 points a week going to really make or break his season this year? Probably not and by next year there is a good chance Lamb and MJH could be even from a redraft perspective. So if he accepted that there is a good chance next season he has an equal WR that is 3 years older and given away Jonathan Brooks for free. If I were a contender I might look for other trades I could utilize Brooks to shore up any weaknesses I have but MHJ is the type of asset you hold onto whether contending or rebuilding.
Kind of depends on your take on MHJ. He has really disappointed this year and not lived up to expectations. Obviously I think like you which is why I offered up the trade but there are a ton of disgruntled MHJ owners around that I figured what the hell and threw it out there.
Just as you have said they could be awesome next year they could also do nothing. We know nothing about Brooks to date and there has been talks of him not even being activated at all. They may not actually live up to expectations. It is in the realm of possibilities.
titusbramble
Footballguy
Who is paying anything for Hubbard?
RaidersAreOne
Footballguy
Chuba is a damn good, young RB. He would be incredible on a team like the Cowboys and I bet he could be had for uber cheap.
However it sounds like the Panthers have no intention on doing so for some reason.
titusbramble
Footballguy
I mean in the context of Diontae Johnson effectively being traded for a cheeseburger, who's giving up ANYTHING for a running back?
Big Nate
Footballguy
Yeah that is an interesting offer from both sides. Sometimes things don't work out for whatever reason(s). Not a bad price to get Lamb at all.
Big Nate
Footballguy
Lamb is going to outperform MHJ for a while, especially this year. Brooks isn't going to be useful really this year. For a win now team to acquire Lamb who is a top 3 WR and can help them for years to come is pretty solid.
Guaranteed asset in Lamb vs hope in MHJ and Brooks. Its not a bad price to get Lamb.
irish eyes
Footballguy
I would have given that up for Lamb, and I have Harrison in dynasty.
Yeah if I am a contender and have a need somewhere at RB, Brooks is definitely the type of player I see if I can utilize in a trade. For example, what can I add to him to get say Saquon Barkley, Jonathan Taylor, or AJ Brown? Can Brooks plus a projected 2025 late 1st get me Barkley or Brown or in a league? That's the type of trade I would make with a rebuilder if I was a contender.
I've been playing in a dynasty league since 2010 and the hit rate on 2nd/3rd round RBs isn't that great. There are a lot of them that don't really hit such as Ben Tate, Shane Vereen, Ameer Abdullah, Kendre Miller (probably not hitting), Ke'Shawn Vaughn, or Trey Sermon or only hit for one year such as Dameon Pierce.
However, the possible upside of Brooks is still alluring to most rebuilders and he could end up being very productive but it's far from a certainty. Chubba Hubbard could very well resign with the Panthers next season which I think would hurt Brooks's production and there's no certainty Brooks would even be the 1A.
I do feel pretty strongly it's a losing move long term if you trade assets such as Marvin Harrison Jr. away though. The likely of players with his pedigree hitting is very high and the ceiling for players like him is very high.
I don't think that's the case with assets on the caliber of Brooks though. Players like Brooks should be expendable in dynasty in certain situations.
Full disclosure I play in two dynasty leagues and own Harrison and Brooks in one of my two leagues. That team is not a contender but I would certainly consider something like Brooks + a 2025 2nd for a young player that I think has a better pedigree and likelihood of becoming a difference maker such as Rome Odunze.
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WaltonGoggins
Footballguy
It's Brooks time, since week 3 Chuba's numbers have gone down week to week.
Willie Mays Hayes
Footballguy
Agreed! Plus, you gotta see what you have in Brooks before you go into another draft.
Stat Correction
Footballguy
Same. Not necessarily very optimistic, but would love to have a fresh-legged and talented RB in my flex for the stretch run.
WaltonGoggins
Footballguy
The opposite. If you are up on a bad team like Panthers let them run which quickly runs out the clock vs. soft pass defense that allows them to have a greater chance of scoring quickly. Also some of the worst teams have produced some awesome fantasy players.
Big Nate
Footballguy
Why rush him back off a significant injury? They have no reason to push him. They want to see how his knee responds to full practices. He has only had a couple. This isn't like training camp where these guys get weeks and weeks to prepare. He has only had a few practices.
I know people are upset because they drafted this guy and he hasn't played but the team sucks and they want him to be good long term. Why rush him?
I really don't know what people expected from him. Most RBs coming off ACL take 2 years to be fully back. Yes they play but if you ask any of them they all say it was really year 2 where they felt comfortable.
I believe he has to be activated by some time next week or he's out for the year no?Why rush him back off a significant injury? They have no reason to push him. They want to see how his knee responds to full practices. He has only had a couple. This isn't like training camp where these guys get weeks and weeks to prepare. He has only had a few practices.
I know people are upset because they drafted this guy and he hasn't played but the team sucks and they want him to be good long term. Why rush him?
I really don't know what people expected from him. Most RBs coming off ACL take 2 years to be fully back. Yes they play but if you ask any of them they all say it was really year 2 where they felt comfortable.
Could see him being dropped in many leagues.
Big Nate
Footballguy
That is a risk where he doesn't play all year. They also could activate him and not really play him. I was offered him in redraft league in week 4 and turned it down. Too much risk and unknown when/if he would play. Chubba was also playing great so there was the real threat of a timeshare even if Brooks came back.I believe he has to be activated by some time next week or he's out for the year no?Why rush him back off a significant injury? They have no reason to push him. They want to see how his knee responds to full practices. He has only had a couple. This isn't like training camp where these guys get weeks and weeks to prepare. He has only had a few practices.
I know people are upset because they drafted this guy and he hasn't played but the team sucks and they want him to be good long term. Why rush him?
I really don't know what people expected from him. Most RBs coming off ACL take 2 years to be fully back. Yes they play but if you ask any of them they all say it was really year 2 where they felt comfortable.
Could see him being dropped in many leagues.
As I mentioned above, if you are in dynasty and the Brooks owner is in the hunt for playoffs and needs points I would go kick the tires. See what Brooks might cost.
I like his potential long term (next year and beyond) but I wasn't touching him this year in redraft.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
very valuable keeper/dynasty but losing value fast in redraft.
Carolina is in Europe next week then they have a bye - I can see them activating him in the window next week but only give him a few carries so he has 2 weeks to recover from 1st game action - then ramp him up slowly the last 5 weeks.
Carolina is in Europe next week then they have a bye - I can see them activating him in the window next week but only give him a few carries so he has 2 weeks to recover from 1st game action - then ramp him up slowly the last 5 weeks.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
The Panthers don't have to do anything with Hubbard in the offseason. RBs are cheap. They can afford to pay him something and timeshare with Brooks in 2025. Nobody is paying Hubbard big money in free agency. Teams will just draft a guy instead. He'll just stay if the Panthers don't want to hand the backfield over to Brooks.
And this is why you don’t spend fairly high second round picks on a RB that might need a redshirt season, especially when you got one of the least talented rosters in the league.
This franchise has taken the most dysfunctional award and run away with it.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Eh, Mork Davis: "Hold my Zima."
zamboni
Footballguy
Shazbot
Kiddnets
Footballguy
good point - the big plus of drafting rookies is the cheap contract - they pretty much wasted 1 of 4 cheap years. if they split with Chuba or another RB next year what was the point
I can understand why a Raiders fan would feel that way but I'll stand on the Panthers.
I think Telesco is a good GM but at minimum I would think most agree he's competent. I can't say that about Dan Morgan.
Raiders got Brady in the building now and I think he'll at least be a source that Mark leans into. An adult and with Telesco at least two voices of reason.
I don't think the Panthers have any of that. Let's just look at the 3 main levels. Owner, GM and coach.
The owner is throwing drinks on people, cycling through head coaches at a record pace, and despite being one of the wealthiest NFL owners breaking deals to build his team a training faciltiy and they currently don't even have a place to practice indoors.
The previous GM constructed arguably the least talented roster in the league. The Panthers decided the best guy to hire when they got rid of him was someone he trained who was part of the decision making process to build the worst roster in the league.
The head coach was hired by Pete Carroll in 2009 as a strength and conditioning coach at USC. He served on Carroll's staffs for 13 years and Carroll promoted him a few times but every time he needed to hire an OC he passed him, had to leave to get that gig with another team. He has one good year as the OC in Tampa, by the looks of how this year is unfolding for Tampa probably got to much credit for Baker's strong play, but turned that into a head coaching gig. I see a guy who gives great interviews/press conference but is woefully under qualified for the job, which to be fair is an extremely difficult job even if the bar is low.
dipandglide
Footballguy
The 2025 season? Why would you be in a hurry to risk your rookie RB coming off injury when they're playing for nothing? Carolina needs to tank, see if Young is their guy, and go from there. Brooks playing isn't going to change anything.
if he's not fully healthy then yeah agree, but if he's good to go, seems like give him some game action.The 2025 season? Why would you be in a hurry to risk your rookie RB coming off injury when they're playing for nothing? Carolina needs to tank, see if Young is their guy, and go from there. Brooks playing isn't going to change anything.
dipandglide
Footballguy
Does Brooks have to be activated next week? Why open the door if they didn't plan on bringing him back (barring a setback)? My guess is they're pushing it off as long as possible, and he'll play next week in a limited role going forward. I've got Brooks in a few spots. I'm hoping I'm wrong, and he provides Todd Gurley rookie-year hype!if he's not fully healthy then yeah agree, but if he's good to go, seems like give him some game action.The 2025 season? Why would you be in a hurry to risk your rookie RB coming off injury when they're playing for nothing? Carolina needs to tank, see if Young is their guy, and go from there. Brooks playing isn't going to change anything.
well, there is no reason to rush the guy back from injury. Chubba is good enough for now. Lets just say deficiencies at RB are not the reason the team is losing.
