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RB Jonathon Brooks, CAR (1 Viewer)

So Brooks started out the summer being talked about as a late 1st or early 2nd round rookie pick in standard leagues, and now he is pretty much consensus #5 (and Ive seen him go #4 many times), as well as going late 3rd round of startup drafts.
Thinking he started undervalued and is now overvalued.
When was he talked about as a 2nd rounder? Everything I remember was him generally being the consensus RB1 especially post draft. When is the last time the RB1 of any rookie class went late 1st-early second? I think he's settled in exactly where expected given the tiers of the top of this rookie class.
 
So Brooks started out the summer being talked about as a late 1st or early 2nd round rookie pick in standard leagues, and now he is pretty much consensus #5 (and Ive seen him go #4 many times), as well as going late 3rd round of startup drafts.
Thinking he started undervalued and is now overvalued.
When was he talked about as a 2nd rounder? Everything I remember was him generally being the consensus RB1 especially post draft. When is the last time the RB1 of any rookie class went late 1st-early second? I think he's settled in exactly where expected given the tiers of the top of this rookie class.
After looking back, it looks like that kinda talk was PRE-draft
 
So Brooks started out the summer being talked about as a late 1st or early 2nd round rookie pick in standard leagues, and now he is pretty much consensus #5 (and Ive seen him go #4 many times), as well as going late 3rd round of startup drafts.
Thinking he started undervalued and is now overvalued.
People are getting aggressive because his stock is going up the closer the season is . If you really want him you have to go after him, you cant wait for him to fall to you in the 5th or 6th rd like he has in mock drafts . Im in a keeper league and so many RBs are being kept that all those players that may have gone before him are off the board bumping Brooks ADP way up.
 
brutal landing spot...should slide into the back half of the 2nd round in rookie drafts
but there was THIS post right after he was drafted, lol
So talked about… by one person on this message board, got it lol. I’m with sheerterror here in that I don’t recall Brooks being discussed as a rookie draft 2nd rounder by the dynasty community. Some consider Benson above Brooks but usually consensus is Brooks in the mid-1st.

I suspect his ADP might come back down once we get to the preseason and there’s more realization that this guy isn’t going to be ready for the start of the season. Brooks is more of a play for the second half of the season, and should get his juice back for a full 2025 campaign. Anyone drafting Brooks will need to be patient.
 
brutal landing spot...should slide into the back half of the 2nd round in rookie drafts
but there was THIS post right after he was drafted, lol
So talked about… by one person on this message board, got it lol. I’m with sheerterror here in that I don’t recall Brooks being discussed as a rookie draft 2nd rounder by the dynasty community. Some consider Benson above Brooks but usually consensus is Brooks in the mid-1st.

I suspect his ADP might come back down once we get to the preseason and there’s more realization that this guy isn’t going to be ready for the start of the season. Brooks is more of a play for the second half of the season, and should get his juice back for a full 2025 campaign. Anyone drafting Brooks will need to be patient.
Id think anyone drafting Brooks and expecting anything (even late season) this year is misguided.
Sure, he COULD throw together a few decent games, but odds are quite low.
 
brutal landing spot...should slide into the back half of the 2nd round in rookie drafts
but there was THIS post right after he was drafted, lol

Needless to say, Brooks is wildly overrated IMHO and he will not be on any of my teams. Redraft or dynasty.

I said the same thing of Bryce Young last year and a bunch of "sharks" got their panties in a bunch. It's okay to not go along with the Shark Pool group think. :wink:
 
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A lot of interest from leaguemates in my Chuba share lately.

Writing seems to be on the wall that Brooks won’t be relevant this year.
 
Brooks is the strongest RB in a fairly weak RB draft class. I would not take him above most of the 2nd tier WR's.
He gets pushed up to pick 6 or 7 because somebody needs an RB that bad.
These are not rankings, just tiers

Harrison JR
Odunze
Nabors.
Bowers Tier break

Thomas JR
McConkey
Worthy
Mitchell
Pearsall
Coleman
Wilson

Franklin and Legette could be in that mix.

I am a firm "take the talent" over needs dynasty drafter.
RB situations in the NFL change fairly quick compared to WR's.
 
There are no guarantees you are getting much production out of most of the rookies. At RB, you will likely be waiting for production from Benson and Corum, as well. At WR, Outside of MHJ and Nabors, do you feel very good about first-year production? I don’t disagree that Brooks is likely being over-valued, but he is arguably the best RB for dynasty production. I would feel pretty good about getting him after 1.06
 
The Coachspeak Index
#Panthers HC Dave Canales on Jonathon Brooks:

“He will not play this preseason. He’s doing great. I saw him running out a little bit before practice. They have a progression on him. He feels stronger and stronger every day… Physically, this is a guy that really can make an impact for us. So, again, want to be really smart about when we bring him back in.”

on whether there’s a chance Brooks (and LB D.J. Wonnum) start the season on the PUP list:

“There is. There’s a chance. So, again, we have to just take it week by week and really trust the information we’re getting from our training staff.”

Canales added: “It’s something that we expected. Even just coming into the spring. We knew just the timeline and progression of where he was at. We knew we were not gonna have him for the preseason. And even if he was kind of ready, there’s a confidence thing — we want to be able to just ramp him up little by little, to the point where he feels ready to go. So, it’s kind of been in the works.”

Canales says they’re looking at “Week 3, Week 4, that would be great. But, again, this is a guy with a long career in front of him. Somebody that we think really highly of, so we want to make sure that we’re really smart with this one.”

Finally, Canales clarifies that it’s possible Brooks could be active before Week 3 or 4. The “determining factor” of how soon they can get him back will be Brooks’ onfield progression, including Brooks’ cutting ability.
 
Josh Norris
Panthers HC Dave Canales says RB Jonathon Brooks will not play a snap this preseason

Says it was expected this spring

“Something around Week 3, Week 4 would be great,” but that doesn’t mean Brooks won’t be active before then.
truth. and returning from an ACL I am inclined to think hes pretty close to being a DND for me now for any redraft league. its typically an 18 month recovery. This doesnt leave a lot of meat on the bone unless drafting him very late.

I love him in Dynasty. but redraft not so much
 
He's on the wire in one league I'm (redraft, single keeper). I'm in first and could sacrifice the roster spot. Hate that offense but maybe the Red Rocket can at least right the ship.

Worth the add? (I'd be dropping Bigsby)
 
He's on the wire in one league I'm (redraft, single keeper). I'm in first and could sacrifice the roster spot. Hate that offense but maybe the Red Rocket can at least right the ship.

Worth the add? (I'd be dropping Bigsby)

For some reason I’ve held Brooks since the draft in PPR redraft. RB4 on the roster.

With Carolina not having a chance this year maybe they work their way to 15-20 touches per week to see what they have.
 
It's not a given he's activated for week 5 and with the current state of their season I'm not convinced they'll be in any rush to get him on the field in anything less than optimum condition, which he won't be in for a while yet.
 
He's on the wire in one league I'm (redraft, single keeper). I'm in first and could sacrifice the roster spot. Hate that offense but maybe the Red Rocket can at least right the ship.

Worth the add? (I'd be dropping Bigsby)

For some reason I’ve held Brooks since the draft in PPR redraft. RB4 on the roster.

With Carolina not having a chance this year maybe they work their way to 15-20 touches per week to see what they have.
Deeper leagues hes still worth the hold if you can afford the spot. Dalton isn't fancy but he can run an offense. See how much he has left in his arm but it can't be worse.
 
He's on the wire in one league I'm (redraft, single keeper). I'm in first and could sacrifice the roster spot. Hate that offense but maybe the Red Rocket can at least right the ship.

Worth the add? (I'd be dropping Bigsby)

For some reason I’ve held Brooks since the draft in PPR redraft. RB4 on the roster.

With Carolina not having a chance this year maybe they work their way to 15-20 touches per week to see what they have.
I think the smart move is to wait until mid to late season and ease him back in. Max out at ~10 touches per game. Maybe 12 if we're going nuts. He's coming back from an ACL injury. So they're not going to get an accurate picture of how good he can be until next season. Let him run enough plays to get acclimated to the NFL speed and get through the mental part of planting/cutting on his surgically repaired knee.

I'll never accuse the Carolina Panthers of being smart. So who knows.
 
With a second year qb you would think any team would be in win now mode. Brooks is a win now player. Why would they baby him if he’s ready to play?

I agree he needs part time reps to start
 
With a second year qb you would think any team would be in win now mode. Brooks is a win now player. Why would they baby him if he’s ready to play?

I agree he needs part time reps to start
They might be back to tank mode to get another QB in this draft. Brooks will get reps this year but no reason to rush him back unless somehow Dalton turns back the clock 10 years and lights it up.

Dalton will be better but they aren't winning anything this year. They also lost their best defensive player I believe. One long year for CAR.

Brooks will get reps at some point this year but any offseason hype this team had is dead. It's over <vincecarter.gif>
 
Things are not guaranteed in the NFL and everyone is playing for their jobs (coaches / GM included). It's the 2nd game of the season and teams are tanking at this point. If Brooks is ready he will play albeit likely on a snap count to start.
 
Dalton helps Brooks tremendously. Even if they're losing, he's a respectable QB. Defenses can't just focus on the run like they could with Young.
 
I don't know about you guys, but I'm expecting this guy to come in Week 5 and provide me RB2 production en route to a championship.

He's my missing piece to a championship. He was the consensus #1 overall RB. They can fix ACLs now.
 
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I don't know about you guys, but I'm expecting this guy to come in Week 5 and provide me RB2 production en route to a championship.

He's my missing pieces to a championship. He was the consensus #1 overall RB. They can fix ACLs now.
I like Brooks as much as anyone but he is a rookie, coming off an ACL (usually takes some time) on a team that has not been good. They still have a ways to go.

He should give them a boost but man the shine has sure come off this quickly.

Thinking Brooks will come in and immediately give you RB2 play is hoping for a lot. Could it happen? Sure but man that is risky with a rookie coming off serious injury.

Long term in dynasty he should be fine but this year is not guaranteed. Many RBs take an extra year to be truly 100% after ACL surgery.
 
For those of us that went Zero RB, or Hero RB, I'm just hoping for RB3 level with an occasional RB2 output to go along with Bijan and AJones.
 
Thinking Brooks will come in and immediately give you RB2 play is hoping for a lot.
It doesn't take much to get into RB2 territory these days. You are talking about 50yds a game and a TD every other week. It's not that big a leap
True, I just don't think this offense is any good (right now) and they might decide soon to start looking for a top pick in 2025 if they have given up on Young.

I started to believe this would be a better team/offense this year but it is the same old gross garbage and I can't really be excited about Brooks. I believe his talent but the team is bad and it often takes time once the player is back from ACL. Add in the fact he is a rookie - I'm just saying people need to temper their expectations for Brooks. And I think eventually he could be a top 10 RB in the NFL.

But he's going to need a better offense and QB play to make that happen and be 100% healthy.
 
I don't know about you guys, but I'm expecting this guy to come in Week 5 and provide me RB2 production en route to a championship.

He's my missing pieces to a championship. He was the consensus #1 overall RB. They can fix ACLs now.
I like Brooks as much as anyone but he is a rookie, coming off an ACL (usually takes some time) on a team that has not been good. They still have a ways to go.

He should give them a boost but man the shine has sure come off this quickly.

Thinking Brooks will come in and immediately give you RB2 play is hoping for a lot. Could it happen? Sure but man that is risky with a rookie coming off serious injury.

Long term in dynasty he should be fine but this year is not guaranteed. Many RBs take an extra year to be truly 100% after ACL surgery.

I don't remember the last time a RB didn't immediately bounce back from an ACL. He tore his November 2023. That's plenty of time.

Ever since Julian Edelman came back like nothing happened, I don't even worry about it.

Everyone always comes back. Who's the last guy who didn't comeback from just an ACL? Breece Hall shrugged it off like it was nothing. It's when they tear a second ACL or have another major injury is where the problems start.


ACL surgery has almost become as normal as Tommy John. They've got it down now.
 
He's on the wire in one league I'm (redraft, single keeper). I'm in first and could sacrifice the roster spot. Hate that offense but maybe the Red Rocket can at least right the ship.

Worth the add? (I'd be dropping Bigsby)
Got outbid on FAAB. One guy basically dumped it all for him.
 
I don't know about you guys, but I'm expecting this guy to come in Week 5 and provide me RB2 production en route to a championship.

He's my missing pieces to a championship. He was the consensus #1 overall RB. They can fix ACLs now.
I like Brooks as much as anyone but he is a rookie, coming off an ACL (usually takes some time) on a team that has not been good. They still have a ways to go.

He should give them a boost but man the shine has sure come off this quickly.

Thinking Brooks will come in and immediately give you RB2 play is hoping for a lot. Could it happen? Sure but man that is risky with a rookie coming off serious injury.

Long term in dynasty he should be fine but this year is not guaranteed. Many RBs take an extra year to be truly 100% after ACL surgery.

I don't remember the last time a RB didn't immediately bounce back from an ACL. He tore his November 2023. That's plenty of time.

Ever since Julian Edelman came back like nothing happened, I don't even worry about it.

Everyone always comes back. Who's the last guy who didn't comeback from just an ACL? Breece Hall shrugged it off like it was nothing. It's when they tear a second ACL or have another major injury is where the problems start.


ACL surgery has almost become as normal as Tommy John. They've got it down now.
Javonte has not looked great since his ACL but might be other things at play.

Tarik Cohen was struggling returning from his ACL before I think blowing out his achilles.

Just my opinion but I don't think Courtland Sutton or Allen Robinson ever looked quite the same after their ACL's.

I'm expecting things to go smoothly for him by the way, just pointing out not everyone comes back like nothing ever happened.

Going to need some ramp up time after he comes off IR. Probably a lot, would not anticpate him being fantasy relevant for a good month after as he's not been able to practice and hopefully they are smart with him because hamstrings post ACL surgery are more likely.
 
Some mayhem level optimism in here.

He is the consensus RB1 from this rookie draft. His upside is insane.

He went at #46 overall with a torn ACL. If he was healthy he would have been a 1st Round Pick. If he's already on your roster, you've made the investment and should know here quickly if it's going to pay off.


If he's 80% of what he was in College, he's still a Top 12 RB in the NFL with upside If he returns close to his prior form. He's a first round talent at a position that normally doesn't get taken in the first round anymore.

He has potential to be special.
 
Some mayhem level optimism in here.

He is the consensus RB1 from this rookie draft. His upside is insane.

He went at #46 overall with a torn ACL. If he was healthy he would have been a 1st Round Pick. If he's already on your roster, you've made the investment and should know here quickly if it's going to pay off.


If he's 80% of what he was in College, he's still a Top 12 RB in the NFL with upside If he returns close to his prior form. He's a first round talent at a position that normally doesn't get taken in the first round anymore.

He has potential to be special.
He’s also on the Panthers, so I would Tepper expectations.
 
I like him and drafted him 1.05, but you are drastically overrating him based on him being the first RB drafted.

This was considered a woefully poor RB class for starters.

Todd Gurley had the same injury as Brooks at the same time and was what, a top 8 pick? Truly elite talent still gets picked high. Brooks was borderline first round at best, but I still don't think it was ever happening for him.
 
- Soph Season College - Player A: 195 Att /1,127 Yds 5.8 YPC. 26 Rec for 295 Yds 11.3 YPC. 15 TDs
- Soph Season College - Player B: 187 Att /1,139 Yds 6.1 YPC 25 Rec for 286 yds 11.4 YPC 11 TDs

Both played for Texas. One is the #2 RB this week for FBGs. The other is coming back in Week 5, maybe. But you can see why some are excited about the future for Player B.
 
A new regime may realize that the season is a lost cause, but I truly believe the Panthers will be a better team under Andy Dalton than they were under Bryce Young. I've seen Dalton waltz in and toss 300 yards before. He did it last year in week 3 against Seattle going for 361 and 2 TDs.

So I absolutely expect them to be BETTER under Dalton because they can't be any worse. And if this new regime knows Dalton isn't the long term answer, wouldn't it stand to reason they will want to see what their run game can look like going into next year? Let Dalton execute the offense and see if Brooks and the OL can establish themselves for the future. That way, the GM and HC can focus on QB and QB only going forward. You have other guys you need to develop too - Mingo and Johnson need to be evaluated at length. Need to see what you have in Legette.

I am in the camp that Brooks gets a real shot to showcase his stuff the back-half of this season and if he shows what he showed at Texas, this guy could be really special.
 
- Soph Season College - Player A: 195 Att /1,127 Yds 5.8 YPC. 26 Rec for 295 Yds 11.3 YPC. 15 TDs
- Soph Season College - Player B: 187 Att /1,139 Yds 6.1 YPC 25 Rec for 286 yds 11.4 YPC 11 TDs

Both played for Texas. One is the #2 RB this week for FBGs. The other is coming back in Week 5, maybe. But you can see why some are excited about the future for Player B.
As a Horns fan I can agree. I've got Brooks stashed in one league just to see. Not expecting him to be Adrian Peterson, but now that the Panthers have benched Young there's only one way to go.

I could see them finally being at rock bottom and having Dalton give them life to at least resemble a pro football team. Play a little better over the next couple of weeks, then sprinkle in Brooks a little bit and finally give that organization a bright spot. Maybe they start having fun as a football team, get more competitive, play spoiler to a few teams and Brooks becomes a fantasy asset down the stretch.

...and if none of that happens after a while, just cut him (in redraft) and pick up someone else.
 
I like him and drafted him 1.05, but you are drastically overrating him based on him being the first RB drafted.

This was considered a woefully poor RB class for starters.

Todd Gurley had the same injury as Brooks at the same time and was what, a top 8 pick? Truly elite talent still gets picked high. Brooks was borderline first round at best, but I still don't think it was ever happening for him.

I don't care where he was drafted relative to his RB peers. He was taken at #46 with a torn ACL. If he didn't have a torn ACL, he would have been a first round talent. First Round RB talent gets me excited, especially at a discount.

I'm not telling you he's a RB1, but he is certainly a RB2 with upside which is why you took him at 1.05. I think we agree and have the same world view, but I am taking the optimistic route.


This guy wishes he was Todd Gurley.
 

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