M. Bush looking Good (1 Viewer)

[az_prof]

Published Fri May 9 7:20:00 p.m. ET 2008

(Rotoworld) Michael Bush reportedly "ran with smooth athleticism that belied his size" during the Raiders' rookie minicamp Friday.

Impact: Bush is 6'2/247. He reportedly also looked good catching the ball, which was one of Bush's strengths at Louisville. He'll be Oakland's No. 3 back to open the season, but remains intriguing because Justin Fargas is injury prone.

Bush makes a better 1-2 punch with McFadden than Fagas IMO. This could get very interesting. It's Oakland after all...

 

[No. 16]

Good to hear!!!

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Obese, slow, injury-prone and 3rd on the depth chart = worthless

 

[twitch]

Obese, slow, injury-prone and 3rd on the depth chart = worthless

ya never know. maybe he can stay healthy, contribute and carve himself out a nice little Kevin Duckett-like niche for himself. That guy's made a small fortune with all the same qualities.

 

[Rovers]

Obese, slow, injury-prone and 3rd on the depth chart = worthless

Obese? Wrong. Injury prone? Based on one (albiet very serious injury)? Wrong. 2 out of 3 aint bad if you had 2 right. One out of three is pretty poor.... wear the hat.

 

[LawFitz]

Obese, slow, injury-prone and 3rd on the depth chart = worthless

No, your post = worthless

 

[Sebowski]

If given the opportunity, Michael Bush will flourish.

 

[westbrook36]

Obese, slow, injury-prone and 3rd on the depth chart = worthless

Agreed.

 

[jurb26]

If given the opportunity, Michael Bush will flourish.

That opportunity is looking rather slim.

 

[Almas_4th_Child]

Obese, slow, injury-prone and 3rd on the depth chart = worthless

ya never know. maybe he can stay healthy, contribute and carve himself out a nice little Kevin Duckett-like niche for himself. That guy's made a small fortune with all the same qualities.

Who's Kevin Duckett?

 

[identikit]

Obese, slow, injury-prone and 3rd on the depth chart = worthless

ya never know. maybe he can stay healthy, contribute and carve himself out a nice little Kevin Duckett-like niche for himself. That guy's made a small fortune with all the same qualities.

Who's Kevin Duckett?

TJ Hooker's brother

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

If given the opportunity, Michael Bush will flourish.

That opportunity is looking rather slim.

Unlike Bush's midsection... It's time to face the facts you should've realized awhile back. Bush is not an NFL-caliber back. But keep living with him in fantasy land along with Chris Perry, Kevin Jones, and the like. The rest of the world has moved on.

 

[az_prof]

If given the opportunity, Michael Bush will flourish.

That opportunity is looking rather slim.

Slim??? As in the skinny, slim legs of McFadden? Dude has stick legs.

 

[mightyeskimo]

Obese, slow, injury-prone and 3rd on the depth chart = worthless

Way off the mark here! Bush was slated as a top 10 pick before he broke his leg. Bones heal much better than ACL's so it's way too early to write him off before he takes a snap.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Obese, slow, injury-prone and 3rd on the depth chart = worthless

Way off the mark here! Bush was slated as a top 10 pick before he broke his leg. Bones heal much better than ACL's so it's way too early to write him off before he takes a snap.

Hmmmm...I wonder why he fell into the 4th round then if he is such a talent and suffered such a recoverable injury. I wrote him off before he broke his leg.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Bush makes a better 1-2 punch with McFadden than Fagas IMO. This could get very interesting. It's Oakland after all...

I disagree. Just because two players have contrasting styles (or in this case, percieved) doens't make them a more effective 1-2 punch. Dallas, IMO, made a mistake in taking the lesser of M'hall and Felix because of the farce about the "Thunder and Lightning." Furthermore, the biggest knock on Bush was "looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane." Just because he's built like, and has the skill set for a short-yardage specialist, doesn't mean he is. He's a bigger, slower McFadden. Fargas (I hope that was a typo in your post) is very similar to McFadden, and will not cause the O to lose a step when he's in.For the record, Bush was the 1st pick in the 4th round. Worse than that, who was it that picked him?... the only one that has made Matt Millen look smart on draft day over the last 4 years.

 

[LBH]

Coach Lane Kiffin says his backfield competition is wide open.

Perhaps as a motivator for Michael Bush, who reportedly is having a good rookie camp. "To have (McFadden and Bush) along with Justin (Fargas), who is more of a classic running back, is exciting ... We’ll open the competition up and who knows? Michael Bush may be the best of the three." Bush remains a darkhorse, but he can carve out a role with a strong offseason.Source: Scout.com

 

[joffer]

Obese, slow, injury-prone and 3rd on the depth chart = worthless

Way off the mark here! Bush was slated as a top 10 pick before he broke his leg. Bones heal much better than ACL's so it's way too early to write him off before he takes a snap.

Hmmmm...I wonder why he fell into the 4th round then if he is such a talent and suffered such a recoverable injury. I wrote him off before he broke his leg.

 

[az_prof]

Coach Lane Kiffin says his backfield competition is wide open.

Perhaps as a motivator for Michael Bush, who reportedly is having a good rookie camp. "To have (McFadden and Bush) along with Justin (Fargas), who is more of a classic running back, is exciting ... We’ll open the competition up and who knows? Michael Bush may be the best of the three." Bush remains a darkhorse, but he can carve out a role with a strong offseason.Source: Scout.com

I am loving this. Say what you want but it sounds like Lane Kiffin sees something to like in Bush. I could see DMac being the primary, and Bush being the third down and goal line and short yardage back. He can catch too, which makes him a better third down back because teams won't know if he is in to run or catch.

 

[Sebowski]

If given the opportunity, Michael Bush will flourish.

That opportunity is looking rather slim.

Unlike Bush's midsection... It's time to face the facts you should've realized awhile back. Bush is not an NFL-caliber back. But keep living with him in fantasy land along with Chris Perry, Kevin Jones, and the like. The rest of the world has moved on.

That's like, just your opinion, man.

 

[massraider]

Coach Lane Kiffin says his backfield competition is wide open.

Perhaps as a motivator for Michael Bush, who reportedly is having a good rookie camp. "To have (McFadden and Bush) along with Justin (Fargas), who is more of a classic running back, is exciting ... We’ll open the competition up and who knows? Michael Bush may be the best of the three." Bush remains a darkhorse, but he can carve out a role with a strong offseason.Source: Scout.com

I am loving this. Say what you want but it sounds like Lane Kiffin sees something to like in Bush. I could see DMac being the primary, and Bush being the third down and goal line and short yardage back. He can catch too, which makes him a better third down back because teams won't know if he is in to run or catch.

I could see Bush getting some looks, but 3rd down? That's DMC all the way. I am glad to read that Kiffin likes what Bush has done, in a 3 day mini-camp with no tackling, but I expect nothing less than puff pieces till about late July.

Bush has to leapfrog Fargas for playing time. may seem easy enough, but Fargas knows the ZBS, and is not afraid to stick it up in there. That was kind of a knock on Bush, that he didn't bowl people over.

 

[Balco]

If he doesn't play special teams, he will be out of the NFL in two years or less. When you are a # 3, you have to be able to contribute on specials. Does any Raider fan know if he is slated to play on the coverage units?

 

[massraider]

If he doesn't play special teams, he will be out of the NFL in two years or less. When you are a # 3, you have to be able to contribute on specials. Does any Raider fan know if he is slated to play on the coverage units?

Way too early to predict who will be on ST. The guy has had three practices with the team, and even those are only with the rooks. But if he shows he can run in this offense, he will have a job. Every team in the league wants more than one back that can run the ball. "Out of the NFL"? Geez. I wasn't a big believer in Bush, but was fine with getting him in the 4th round. All he is, to me, is a 4th round back with more upside than most 4th rounders.

 

[Balco]

If he doesn't play special teams, he will be out of the NFL in two years or less. When you are a # 3, you have to be able to contribute on specials. Does any Raider fan know if he is slated to play on the coverage units?

Way too early to predict who will be on ST. The guy has had three practices with the team, and even those are only with the rooks. But if he shows he can run in this offense, he will have a job. Every team in the league wants more than one back that can run the ball. "Out of the NFL"? Geez. I wasn't a big believer in Bush, but was fine with getting him in the 4th round. All he is, to me, is a 4th round back with more upside than most 4th rounders.

What is strange about saying he will be out of the NFL in two years? If you look at 3rd backs on teams, 99 % of them play on specials. My opinion is that Bush's skills, even pre injury, will not translate tom the pros.

 

[LBH]

I surprised by how many people seem to be writing off M.Bush before hes even had a legitimate chance to play a down or be healthy.

 

[Cookiemonster]

If he doesn't play special teams, he will be out of the NFL in two years or less. When you are a # 3, you have to be able to contribute on specials. Does any Raider fan know if he is slated to play on the coverage units?

Way too early to predict who will be on ST. The guy has had three practices with the team, and even those are only with the rooks. But if he shows he can run in this offense, he will have a job. Every team in the league wants more than one back that can run the ball. "Out of the NFL"? Geez. I wasn't a big believer in Bush, but was fine with getting him in the 4th round. All he is, to me, is a 4th round back with more upside than most 4th rounders.

I can get behind that. I think the problem is with all the people saying that if not for the broken leg he would have been a 1st rounder. If not for all the BJs the media was giving him in college, we wouldn't even have this thread. Seriously, where is the Brian Calhoun thread right now?

 

[massraider]

If he doesn't play special teams, he will be out of the NFL in two years or less. When you are a # 3, you have to be able to contribute on specials. Does any Raider fan know if he is slated to play on the coverage units?

Way too early to predict who will be on ST. The guy has had three practices with the team, and even those are only with the rooks. But if he shows he can run in this offense, he will have a job. Every team in the league wants more than one back that can run the ball. "Out of the NFL"? Geez. I wasn't a big believer in Bush, but was fine with getting him in the 4th round. All he is, to me, is a 4th round back with more upside than most 4th rounders.

What is strange about saying he will be out of the NFL in two years? If you look at 3rd backs on teams, 99 % of them play on specials. My opinion is that Bush's skills, even pre injury, will not translate tom the pros.

That's fine, I can see that. But that's a different statement than Bush being a #3, and not contributing on ST. I have no problem with someone that thinks he doesn't have an NFL game. But if he does, then he won't be #3, and won't need to contribute on special teams. That's all I meant.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Obese, slow, injury-prone and 3rd on the depth chart = worthless

Way off the mark here! Bush was slated as a top 10 pick before he broke his leg. Bones heal much better than ACL's so it's way too early to write him off before he takes a snap.

Hmmmm...I wonder why he fell into the 4th round then if he is such a talent and suffered such a recoverable injury. I wrote him off before he broke his leg.

clueless.

LOL... Keep thinking you know something when you obviously don't. They re-sign Fargas, draft McFadden. Bush is an afterthought. Too slow to accelerate. Straight-line runner. Too big a target. LBs will destroy him if he ever gets any carries in the NFL. You are the clueless one.

 

[massraider]

I surprised by how many people seem to be writing off M.Bush before hes even had a legitimate chance to play a down or be healthy.

I'm not.I think there were legit questions about his game while he was in college, combine that with the long layoff, the fact that he plays for the Raiders, and people's general impatience, and I am surprised anyone still thinks he has a chance.

I also think non-believers resent the "1st round pick before the injury" label. How many players are 1st round locks before their final season in college only to drop down? Bush was highly rated going into his final season, but players drop off all the time.

I for one, am glad we aren't relying on Bush this season. I have no idea how he'll look in the ZBS, or if he's tough enough to get the inside yards. I am intrigued by his potential, but am very skeptical. I will take the road less traveled, and wait and see till he plays in a game, however.

 

[LBH]

I surprised by how many people seem to be writing off M.Bush before hes even had a legitimate chance to play a down or be healthy.

I'm not.I think there were legit questions about his game while he was in college, combine that with the long layoff, the fact that he plays for the Raiders, and people's general impatience, and I am surprised anyone still thinks he has a chance.

I also think non-believers resent the "1st round pick before the injury" label. How many players are 1st round locks before their final season in college only to drop down? Bush was highly rated going into his final season, but players drop off all the time.

I for one, am glad we aren't relying on Bush this season. I have no idea how he'll look in the ZBS, or if he's tough enough to get the inside yards. I am intrigued by his potential, but am very skeptical. I will take the road less traveled, and wait and see till he plays in a game, however.

I hear you. Right now hes somebody ive got my eye on, but nobody im spending much on to aquire

 

[One]

Obese, slow, injury-prone and 3rd on the depth chart = worthless

Way off the mark here! Bush was slated as a top 10 pick before he broke his leg. Bones heal much better than ACL's so it's way too early to write him off before he takes a snap.

Hmmmm...I wonder why he fell into the 4th round then if he is such a talent and suffered such a recoverable injury. I wrote him off before he broke his leg.

clueless.

LOL... Keep thinking you know something when you obviously don't. They re-sign Fargas, draft McFadden. Bush is an afterthought. Too slow to accelerate. Straight-line runner. Too big a target. LBs will destroy him if he ever gets any carries in the NFL. You are the clueless one.

:IBTL: Obese? 1 2

Worthless? There's only 3 RB's in Oakland.. Fargas can't stay healthy, Jordan will be cut, McFadden won't carry the load and Bush is untapped & unknown. Bush will probably never become a feature back, but he's part of a committee and he could be the guy scoring 6 pts at a time on Sundays.

Far from worthless and way too early to write the guy off, but since you wrote him off during his 24 TD sophomore season you've probably no reason to follow logic other than the broad generalizations you supposedly settled on long ago.

Not a guy I'd spend much to aquire, but a very good flier if he finds a knack for short yardage in the Oakland backfield.

 

[Team Legacy]

Obese, slow, injury-prone and 3rd on the depth chart = worthless

Way off the mark here! Bush was slated as a top 10 pick before he broke his leg. Bones heal much better than ACL's so it's way too early to write him off before he takes a snap.

Hmmmm...I wonder why he fell into the 4th round then if he is such a talent and suffered such a recoverable injury. I wrote him off before he broke his leg.

clueless.

LOL... Keep thinking you know something when you obviously don't. They re-sign Fargas, draft McFadden. Bush is an afterthought. Too slow to accelerate. Straight-line runner. Too big a target. LBs will destroy him if he ever gets any carries in the NFL. You are the clueless one.

More jibberish. Let's turn an article praising Bush into an opinion article. I watched every game he played and none of the above apply to Michael Bush. Thanks for sharing an uninformed opinion with the rest of us.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Obese, slow, injury-prone and 3rd on the depth chart = worthless

ya never know. maybe he can stay healthy, contribute and carve himself out a nice little Kevin Duckett-like niche for himself. That guy's made a small fortune with all the same qualities.

The NFL thinks Kevin Duckett has done well too

 

[Penguin]

I wrote him off before he broke his leg.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Obese, slow, injury-prone and 3rd on the depth chart = worthless

Way off the mark here! Bush was slated as a top 10 pick before he broke his leg. Bones heal much better than ACL's so it's way too early to write him off before he takes a snap.

Hmmmm...I wonder why he fell into the 4th round then if he is such a talent and suffered such a recoverable injury. I wrote him off before he broke his leg.

clueless.

LOL... Keep thinking you know something when you obviously don't. They re-sign Fargas, draft McFadden. Bush is an afterthought. Too slow to accelerate. Straight-line runner. Too big a target. LBs will destroy him if he ever gets any carries in the NFL. You are the clueless one.

Obese? 1 2

Worthless? There's only 3 RB's in Oakland.. Fargas can't stay healthy, Jordan will be cut, McFadden won't carry the load and Bush is untapped & unknown. Bush will probably never become a feature back, but he's part of a committee and he could be the guy scoring 6 pts at a time on Sundays.

Far from worthless and way too early to write the guy off, but since you wrote him off during his 24 TD sophomore season you've probably no reason to follow logic other than the broad generalizations you supposedly settled on long ago.

Not a guy I'd spend much to aquire, but a very good flier if he finds a knack for short yardage in the Oakland backfield.

Most, like yourself, admit he'll never be a feature back. Also, people don't seem to want to spend much to acquire him, which you alluded to. Yet people remain optimistic for some reason. If you truly think he's valuable, wouldn't he fit the feature back mode, and wouldn't you spend something to acquire him? Does one data point, 24 TDs for a Big East team, mean that he will do that in the pros? I think that's a more dangerous assumption to make than analyzing his running style, size, acceleration and project what would happen on an NFL level. The Raiders have 2 good backs ahead of him, (Fargas was solid last year, and McFadden is obviously a talented guy they are high on.), so his ceiling is low. He may get a shot at some point, but the upside isn't there. Also, the injury issue is concerning. He couldn't recover from a broken bone in greater than a year? There were whispers of problems with the recovery, so maybe his leg will always be an issue.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Obese, slow, injury-prone and 3rd on the depth chart = worthless

Way off the mark here! Bush was slated as a top 10 pick before he broke his leg. Bones heal much better than ACL's so it's way too early to write him off before he takes a snap.

Hmmmm...I wonder why he fell into the 4th round then if he is such a talent and suffered such a recoverable injury. I wrote him off before he broke his leg.

clueless.

LOL... Keep thinking you know something when you obviously don't. They re-sign Fargas, draft McFadden. Bush is an afterthought. Too slow to accelerate. Straight-line runner. Too big a target. LBs will destroy him if he ever gets any carries in the NFL. You are the clueless one.

More jibberish. Let's turn an article praising Bush into an opinion article. I watched every game he played and none of the above apply to Michael Bush. Thanks for sharing an uninformed opinion with the rest of us.

Nice job being subjective and a homer. Time to talk up Brohm now too?

 

[jurb26]

Obese, slow, injury-prone and 3rd on the depth chart = worthless

Way off the mark here! Bush was slated as a top 10 pick before he broke his leg. Bones heal much better than ACL's so it's way too early to write him off before he takes a snap.

Hmmmm...I wonder why he fell into the 4th round then if he is such a talent and suffered such a recoverable injury. I wrote him off before he broke his leg.

clueless.

LOL... Keep thinking you know something when you obviously don't. They re-sign Fargas, draft McFadden. Bush is an afterthought. Too slow to accelerate. Straight-line runner. Too big a target. LBs will destroy him if he ever gets any carries in the NFL. You are the clueless one.

More jibberish. Let's turn an article praising Bush into an opinion article. I watched every game he played and none of the above apply to Michael Bush. Thanks for sharing an uninformed opinion with the rest of us.

I've always liked Bush and watched him a great deal in college as well (though not every game like you). I certainly think Bush is better than what Ketamine Dreams is trying to say and agree that his critique of his skills is off. However, the points he brought up about Fargas and McFadden are as legit as it gets. At this point it looks like Bush becoming anything significant in the NFL, especially fantasy, are slim. Fargas played well last year. Sure he is not reliable to stay healthy and is not elite but still he played well and had his contract extended. That means Oak likes him. McFadden is an elite talent and was drafted at #4 overall. Guys drafted that high at the RB position have a rather good success rate and they are given every opportunity to succeed. For Bush to really provide much I would say that Fargas would have to get hurt and McFadden would have to bust. Sure both could happen, but I doubt it.

 

[Team Legacy]

Players are acquired on different teams in every off-season. One McFadden injury and he showcases what he has. He was healthy last year and wasn't activated due to a higher up decision. When the contract is up, I could easily see him getting a shot elsewhere.

 

[One]

Obese, slow, injury-prone and 3rd on the depth chart = worthless

Way off the mark here! Bush was slated as a top 10 pick before he broke his leg. Bones heal much better than ACL's so it's way too early to write him off before he takes a snap.

Hmmmm...I wonder why he fell into the 4th round then if he is such a talent and suffered such a recoverable injury. I wrote him off before he broke his leg.

clueless.

LOL... Keep thinking you know something when you obviously don't. They re-sign Fargas, draft McFadden. Bush is an afterthought. Too slow to accelerate. Straight-line runner. Too big a target. LBs will destroy him if he ever gets any carries in the NFL. You are the clueless one.

Obese? 1 2

Worthless? There's only 3 RB's in Oakland.. Fargas can't stay healthy, Jordan will be cut, McFadden won't carry the load and Bush is untapped & unknown. Bush will probably never become a feature back, but he's part of a committee and he could be the guy scoring 6 pts at a time on Sundays.

Far from worthless and way too early to write the guy off, but since you wrote him off during his 24 TD sophomore season you've probably no reason to follow logic other than the broad generalizations you supposedly settled on long ago.

Not a guy I'd spend much to aquire, but a very good flier if he finds a knack for short yardage in the Oakland backfield.

Most, like yourself, admit he'll never be a feature back. Also, people don't seem to want to spend much to acquire him, which you alluded to. Yet people remain optimistic for some reason. If you truly think he's valuable, wouldn't he fit the feature back mode, and wouldn't you spend something to acquire him? Does one data point, 24 TDs for a Big East team, mean that he will do that in the pros? I think that's a more dangerous assumption to make than analyzing his running style, size, acceleration and project what would happen on an NFL level. The Raiders have 2 good backs ahead of him, (Fargas was solid last year, and McFadden is obviously a talented guy they are high on.), so his ceiling is low. He may get a shot at some point, but the upside isn't there. Also, the injury issue is concerning. He couldn't recover from a broken bone in greater than a year? There were whispers of problems with the recovery, so maybe his leg will always be an issue.

We must be talking in context to totally different sizes & styles of fantasy leagues. I don't care if he's not top-3 round material.. I'm lookin' for value. Flex plug-ins , Bye week fill-ins with potential to become more. I think he's got both the talent and the situation to make a name for himself in a fantasy sense. Oakland's gonna run the ball a lot and there isn't a single Larry Johnson-type on the team so anything can happen. There's plenty of carries to go around. The fact that he's on the roster and Jordan/Rhodes are goners gives me plenty of reason the believe he's got potential to receive carries.

 

[mbuehner]

I hope they do cut him. He'd look great in a Bears uni.

 

[zamboni]

Coach Lane Kiffin says his backfield competition is wide open.

Perhaps as a motivator for Michael Bush, who reportedly is having a good rookie camp. "To have (McFadden and Bush) along with Justin (Fargas), who is more of a classic running back, is exciting ... We’ll open the competition up and who knows? Michael Bush may be the best of the three." Bush remains a darkhorse, but he can carve out a role with a strong offseason.Source: Scout.com

I am loving this. Say what you want but it sounds like Lane Kiffin sees something to like in Bush. I could see DMac being the primary, and Bush being the third down and goal line and short yardage back. He can catch too, which makes him a better third down back because teams won't know if he is in to run or catch.

I think it's more commentary to ensure that DMac doesn't rest on his laurels and assume that the keys are being handed to him right off the bat. That said, the Raiders drafted DMac at #4 for a reason - to be their bellcow. He's going to get any and every chance to be the main guy.However good Bush is, the opportunity likely isn't there in Oakland (barring injuries, of course, to DMac and Fargas). He'll probably have to show it somewhere else.

 

[Biabreakable]

Even when healthy it takes this guy a looooong time to make a cut or turn a corner.

The tape I saw of his highlights left me very unimpressed. I don't see him being successful except on draw plays from spread formations and there are RBs better suited than he is for that situation on the team and throughout the NFL.

 

[az_prof]

Coach Lane Kiffin says his backfield competition is wide open.

Perhaps as a motivator for Michael Bush, who reportedly is having a good rookie camp. "To have (McFadden and Bush) along with Justin (Fargas), who is more of a classic running back, is exciting ... We’ll open the competition up and who knows? Michael Bush may be the best of the three." Bush remains a darkhorse, but he can carve out a role with a strong offseason.Source: Scout.com

I am loving this. Say what you want but it sounds like Lane Kiffin sees something to like in Bush. I could see DMac being the primary, and Bush being the third down and goal line and short yardage back. He can catch too, which makes him a better third down back because teams won't know if he is in to run or catch.

I think it's more commentary to ensure that DMac doesn't rest on his laurels and assume that the keys are being handed to him right off the bat. That said, the Raiders drafted DMac at #4 for a reason - to be their bellcow. He's going to get any and every chance to be the main guy.However good Bush is, the opportunity likely isn't there in Oakland (barring injuries, of course, to DMac and Fargas). He'll probably have to show it somewhere else.

If we were talking about Jonathan Stewart I would agree; but the claim that DMac is a bell cow is not quite true. He split carries throughout college and played in an unusual offensive system. He hardly ever ran between the tackles and he didn't show much leg push or body lean, which makes me question his ability to run between the tackles or to run for short yardage and goal line. I think he will be a situational RB, much like Reggie Bush. There were plenty of carries in NO for Deuce before he got hurt, and I could see M. Bush playing Deuce to DMac's Reggie Bush. Fargas is talented but last year was his first year that he didn't get sidelined by some little injury.

 

[az_prof]

Even when healthy it takes this guy a looooong time to make a cut or turn a corner. The tape I saw of his highlights left me very unimpressed. I don't see him being successful except on draw plays from spread formations and there are RBs better suited than he is for that situation on the team and throughout the NFL.

Well we must have been looking at different tape. I thought he had amazing body agility for such a big man and he ran up the middle very well. I don't see them running him outside much; he will be used between the tackles. He is more agile than jacobs IMO.

 

[treat88]

Ketamine and Biabreakable are right on the money.

I've gotten hammered for the comparison ever time I've made it, but it is accurate.

He is the second coming of Eric Shelton, only with a gimpy leg.

 

[Sake-Bombers]

I don't get why the opinions have to be so extreme. Can't someone say that Bush's role in Oakland provides some intrigue? There's gray area between him being a 400 carry back and him being out of the league pronto.

Check out these recent articles, whether you consider them "fluff" or not. I think they make him at least worth keeping an eye on if you are interested in the Oakland RB situation, no matter if you formulated your opinion on Bush three years ago or not. I'm not saying he's going to be a stud, I'm not saying he's going to be a dud, but certainly his status is going to be a factor on the value of all the RBs in Oakland:

http://www.insidebayarea.com/sports/ci_9224783

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_9224102

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate...;entry_id=26434

 

[Sebowski]

Here is an interesting quote form McFadden in the first article posted abaove:

http://www.insidebayarea.com/sports/ci_9224783

McFadden doesn't sound selfish, either. A full two days on the job, he envisions a multi-back attack as one that will work best for both the players and the Raiders.

"I feel like it's something like that will help out in the NFL system because it's hard for a guy to go out there and go every down, take every snap," McFadden said. "Especially in the NFL, you have linebackers and defensive ends running 4.4s, so to have a fresh guy in there all the time is something that'll help the team out a whole lot."

 

[jurb26]

Coach Lane Kiffin says his backfield competition is wide open.

Perhaps as a motivator for Michael Bush, who reportedly is having a good rookie camp. "To have (McFadden and Bush) along with Justin (Fargas), who is more of a classic running back, is exciting ... We’ll open the competition up and who knows? Michael Bush may be the best of the three." Bush remains a darkhorse, but he can carve out a role with a strong offseason.Source: Scout.com

I am loving this. Say what you want but it sounds like Lane Kiffin sees something to like in Bush. I could see DMac being the primary, and Bush being the third down and goal line and short yardage back. He can catch too, which makes him a better third down back because teams won't know if he is in to run or catch.

I think it's more commentary to ensure that DMac doesn't rest on his laurels and assume that the keys are being handed to him right off the bat. That said, the Raiders drafted DMac at #4 for a reason - to be their bellcow. He's going to get any and every chance to be the main guy.However good Bush is, the opportunity likely isn't there in Oakland (barring injuries, of course, to DMac and Fargas). He'll probably have to show it somewhere else.

If we were talking about Jonathan Stewart I would agree; but the claim that DMac is a bell cow is not quite true. He split carries throughout college and played in an unusual offensive system. He hardly ever ran between the tackles and he didn't show much leg push or body lean, which makes me question his ability to run between the tackles or to run for short yardage and goal line. I think he will be a situational RB, much like Reggie Bush. There were plenty of carries in NO for Deuce before he got hurt, and I could see M. Bush playing Deuce to DMac's Reggie Bush. Fargas is talented but last year was his first year that he didn't get sidelined by some little injury.

This is rather comical. Stewart is a better bell cow than McFadden based on McFadden sharing carries in college...McFadden

Stat Overview 	Rushing	Receiving	FumblesYEAR	ATT 	YDS 	AVG 	LNG 	TD 	REC 	YDS 	AVG 	LNG 	TD 	FUM 	LST2005 	176 	1113 	6.3 	70 	11 	14 	52 	3.7 	12 	0 	0 	02006 	284 	1647 	5.8 	80 	14 	11 	149 	13.5 	70 	1 	0 	02007 	325 	1830 	5.6 	80 	16 	21 	164 	7.8 	57 	1 	0 	0

Stewart

YEAR	ATT 	YDS 	AVG 	LNG 	TD 	REC 	YDS 	AVG 	LNG 	TD 	FUM 	LST2005 	53 	188 	3.5 	33 	6 	7 	45 	6.4 	12 	1 	0 	02006 	183 	981 	5.4 	63 	10 	20 	144 	7.2 	24 	1 	0 	02007 	280 	1722 	6.2 	88 	11 	22 	145 	6.6 	21 	2 	0 	0

You obviously don't know much about McFadden. Of course the guy split carries. Or do you actually expect a college RB to get 450+ carries in a 13 game season in the SEC? McFadden was 4th in the nation in rushing attempts last year. Arkansas was a putrid passing team. Arkansas was a great rushing team with 2 great RBs. Oh and yeah, that system they used up at Oregon is just mirror of NFL ones.... The misinformation getting tossed around about McFadden is getting absurd.

 

[Balco]

Even when healthy it takes this guy a looooong time to make a cut or turn a corner.

The tape I saw of his highlights left me very unimpressed. I don't see him being successful except on draw plays from spread formations and there are RBs better suited than he is for that situation on the team and throughout the NFL.

Well we must have been looking at different tape. I thought he had amazing body agility for such a big man and he ran up the middle very well. I don't see them running him outside much; he will be used between the tackles. He is more agile than jacobs IMO.

Wow, you must really like him, then. To me, Jacobs is the best big back since Bettis. Bush is not even close to Jacob's level as a runner, IMO.

 

[LawFitz]

Coach Lane Kiffin says his backfield competition is wide open.

Perhaps as a motivator for Michael Bush, who reportedly is having a good rookie camp. "To have (McFadden and Bush) along with Justin (Fargas), who is more of a classic running back, is exciting ... We’ll open the competition up and who knows? Michael Bush may be the best of the three." Bush remains a darkhorse, but he can carve out a role with a strong offseason.Source: Scout.com

I am loving this. Say what you want but it sounds like Lane Kiffin sees something to like in Bush. I could see DMac being the primary, and Bush being the third down and goal line and short yardage back. He can catch too, which makes him a better third down back because teams won't know if he is in to run or catch.

I think it's more commentary to ensure that DMac doesn't rest on his laurels and assume that the keys are being handed to him right off the bat. That said, the Raiders drafted DMac at #4 for a reason - to be their bellcow. He's going to get any and every chance to be the main guy.However good Bush is, the opportunity likely isn't there in Oakland (barring injuries, of course, to DMac and Fargas). He'll probably have to show it somewhere else.

If we were talking about Jonathan Stewart I would agree; but the claim that DMac is a bell cow is not quite true. He split carries throughout college and played in an unusual offensive system. He hardly ever ran between the tackles and he didn't show much leg push or body lean, which makes me question his ability to run between the tackles or to run for short yardage and goal line. I think he will be a situational RB, much like Reggie Bush. There were plenty of carries in NO for Deuce before he got hurt, and I could see M. Bush playing Deuce to DMac's Reggie Bush. Fargas is talented but last year was his first year that he didn't get sidelined by some little injury.

This is rather comical. Stewart is a better bell cow than McFadden based on McFadden sharing carries in college...McFadden

Stat Overview 	Rushing	Receiving	FumblesYEAR	ATT 	YDS 	AVG 	LNG 	TD 	REC 	YDS 	AVG 	LNG 	TD 	FUM 	LST2005 	176 	1113 	6.3 	70 	11 	14 	52 	3.7 	12 	0 	0 	02006 	284 	1647 	5.8 	80 	14 	11 	149 	13.5 	70 	1 	0 	02007 	325 	1830 	5.6 	80 	16 	21 	164 	7.8 	57 	1 	0 	0

Stewart

YEAR	ATT 	YDS 	AVG 	LNG 	TD 	REC 	YDS 	AVG 	LNG 	TD 	FUM 	LST2005 	53 	188 	3.5 	33 	6 	7 	45 	6.4 	12 	1 	0 	02006 	183 	981 	5.4 	63 	10 	20 	144 	7.2 	24 	1 	0 	02007 	280 	1722 	6.2 	88 	11 	22 	145 	6.6 	21 	2 	0 	0

You obviously don't know much about McFadden. Of course the guy split carries. Or do you actually expect a college RB to get 450+ carries in a 13 game season in the SEC? McFadden was 4th in the nation in rushing attempts last year. Arkansas was a putrid passing team. Arkansas was a great rushing team with 2 great RBs. Oh and yeah, that system they used up at Oregon is just mirror of NFL ones.... The misinformation getting tossed around about McFadden is getting absurd.

Thank you!