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So what would be the difference between a 6970 and 6870? I just see bigger numbers. But then that other card in the 5000s is better?
The 5970 is better, yes, because it is a dual-card solution all in one card. The 6970 is substantially better than the 6870, but I would say the sweet spot for performance is the 6950 2GB. If not that, then the 6950 1GB.
So are the numbers more about the model and not so much some kind of symbol of performance?
No, generally they do indicate power, but within tiers. You have 3 numbers to look at with AMD. The first is the generation and just by nature of that, says something about the power (5XXX vs 6XXX). The next is the best indicator of power, hence 69XX is stronger than 68XX. The last further details this, but there is some play. For instance, a 6730 is less of a card than a 6570. You just need to know the cards.
 
Yes, but you want the i5-2500k not the i5-2500. It looks like it's out of stock at Newegg, but it should be available elsewhere for a small premium to the 2500. (No need to buy the Archon cooler if you don't get the k processor)
 
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Yes, but you want the i5-2500k not the i5-2500. It looks like it's out of stock at Newegg, but it should be available elsewhere for a small premium to the 2500. (No need to buy the Archon cooler if you don't get the k processor)
$225 at Directron

 
If you wanted a "gaming laptop" for things like Skyrim, is there a place one could go to get specs for that? Can't go all out money wise, but no desire to skimp either. I have ZERO computer knowledge like this.

 
If you wanted a "gaming laptop" for things like Skyrim, is there a place one could go to get specs for that? Can't go all out money wise, but no desire to skimp either. I have ZERO computer knowledge like this.
Help us out here. Do you are about size or weight? Is this something that you will travel with or mostly leave on a desk? How much do you want to spend?
 
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If you wanted a "gaming laptop" for things like Skyrim, is there a place one could go to get specs for that? Can't go all out money wise, but no desire to skimp either. I have ZERO computer knowledge like this.
Help us out here. Do you are about size or weight? Is this something that you will travel with or mostly leave on a desk? How much do you want to spend?
Under $1500 would be ideal.15" screen-wise is about as big as it can get (maybe 17"), because it needs to be able to travel to class in college as well (the recipient is graduating HS soon, we don't want to have to get him another laptop in under a year)Thanks for the response. I don't know the right questions to ask or what info to provide without direction haha
 
Corsair F3 180GB SSD for $190AR + tax.

Instore at Fry's.

Pretty good deal on a nicely-sized SSD.
Any PROs in here can explain the solid state HD to me in a gamers layman terms?I understand its faster (Like a Raptor faster or?)... but does it work kind of like RAID arrays do?

Many of them seem so small. Like the new Star Wars game runs at 50+gigs of space. Plus you woudl always want windows on it im assuming.

Can you move files from the SSD to the HD rather easily? Or is it always a new instillation?

 
Under $1500 would be ideal.15" screen-wise is about as big as it can get (maybe 17"), because it needs to be able to travel to class in college as well (the recipient is graduating HS soon, we don't want to have to get him another laptop in under a year)Thanks for the response. I don't know the right questions to ask or what info to provide without direction haha
Will he need to use it in-class on battery? Or will it normally have an electrical socket nearby?
 
Under $1500 would be ideal.15" screen-wise is about as big as it can get (maybe 17"), because it needs to be able to travel to class in college as well (the recipient is graduating HS soon, we don't want to have to get him another laptop in under a year)Thanks for the response. I don't know the right questions to ask or what info to provide without direction haha
Will he need to use it in-class on battery? Or will it normally have an electrical socket nearby?
In class - batteryGaming and other uses - socket nearby
 
Any PROs in here can explain the solid state HD to me in a gamers layman terms?

I understand its faster (Like a Raptor faster or?)... but does it work kind of like RAID arrays do?

Many of them seem so small. Like the new Star Wars game runs at 50+gigs of space. Plus you woudl always want windows on it im assuming.

Can you move files from the SSD to the HD rather easily? Or is it always a new instillation?
Try reading this. It is a bit dated but explains things fairly well.In short SSDs are way faster than the fastest hard drives (including Raptors). Things that speed up are boot times, shutdown times, game load times. and general application loading. The whole PC feels "snappier". It will not give you faster frame rates in games.

I highly recommend them. I recently got a new laptop that had technology 4 years newer than the one it was replacing. But it didn't have an SSD and my old one did. And for general use, the new laptop felt much slower than the old one and it took all of an hour of use before I got online and ordered a new SSD for it.

What most people do these days is buy a 60 or 120 GB SSD and install Windows, oft-used applications, and favourite games on it. Media and less-used software goes on a regular, larger HDD that you also have installed.

 
Under $1500 would be ideal.

15" screen-wise is about as big as it can get (maybe 17"), because it needs to be able to travel to class in college as well (the recipient is graduating HS soon, we don't want to have to get him another laptop in under a year)

Thanks for the response. I don't know the right questions to ask or what info to provide without direction haha
Will he need to use it in-class on battery? Or will it normally have an electrical socket nearby?
In class - batteryGaming and other uses - socket nearby
Dell's XPS 15 would fit the role fairly well. What is important to look for is "Optimus Graphics" which means the laptop essentially has two video cards -- one low-power for non-gaming use, and another high-power for gaming. This allows for better battery life in-class and good gaming performance when playing games (at the expense of battery life).Another option is Dell's Alienware 14x. Better gaming performance at the expense of battery life and cost.

 
Under $1500 would be ideal.

15" screen-wise is about as big as it can get (maybe 17"), because it needs to be able to travel to class in college as well (the recipient is graduating HS soon, we don't want to have to get him another laptop in under a year)

Thanks for the response. I don't know the right questions to ask or what info to provide without direction haha
Will he need to use it in-class on battery? Or will it normally have an electrical socket nearby?
In class - batteryGaming and other uses - socket nearby
Dell's XPS 15 would fit the role fairly well. What is important to look for is "Optimus Graphics" which means the laptop essentially has two video cards -- one low-power for non-gaming use, and another high-power for gaming. This allows for better battery life in-class and good gaming performance when playing games (at the expense of battery life).Another option is Dell's Alienware 14x. Better gaming performance at the expense of battery life and cost.
Thanks a ton - I'll have o try and learn at least a bit about the two, but off the top of your head, which would you recommend and why? I know Alienware is more known to be for gaming stuff, but is it necessary?And do you know the cost of going with a solid state HD, or having an SSD installed, or the differences between having a solid state for everything and having the SSD for games?

 
And do you know the cost of going with a solid state HD, or having an SSD installed, or the differences between having a solid state for everything and having the SSD for games?
I think you're getting your terms confused. Solid State Drive = SSD. Hard Disk Drive = HDD. The latter is the "spinning platter" or traditional kind.With most laptops you generally have to choose one or the other, since there isn't enough room in the chassis for both. In a desktop you have plenty of room. If you plan to store lots of media or several large games on the laptop, then a large SSD is going to be very expensive. But the speed difference is material.
 
Under $1500 would be ideal.15" screen-wise is about as big as it can get (maybe 17"), because it needs to be able to travel to class in college as well (the recipient is graduating HS soon, we don't want to have to get him another laptop in under a year)Thanks for the response. I don't know the right questions to ask or what info to provide without direction haha
Will he need to use it in-class on battery? Or will it normally have an electrical socket nearby?
In class - batteryGaming and other uses - socket nearby
You definitely don't want anything bigger than 15 for use in class, 14 or smaller is better for that environment.
 
Dell's XPS 15 would fit the role fairly well. What is important to look for is "Optimus Graphics" which means the laptop essentially has two video cards -- one low-power for non-gaming use, and another high-power for gaming. This allows for better battery life in-class and good gaming performance when playing games (at the expense of battery life).

Another option is Dell's Alienware 14x. Better gaming performance at the expense of battery life and cost.
Thanks a ton - I'll have o try and learn at least a bit about the two, but off the top of your head, which would you recommend and why? I know Alienware is more known to be for gaming stuff, but is it necessary?
It just depends on how the laptop is going to be used. If it will be used primarily for games and secondarily for mobility/school, then the Alienware is going to provide a better experience. If the use of the laptop will be primarily school and secondarily games, the XPS should be good enough.For me, mobility is king so I always use ultraportables. Everyone is different so it's best to decide how the laptop will be used and then decide which one is best for those needs.

 
OK, so ordered the mobo, processor, and the cooler (archon) talked about earlier. No Frys around so ordered the Corsair 180GB from Newegg. Will be picking up RAM for Mad Cow early next week.

Waiting on the card til Monday.

 
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'Instinctive said:
'Zasada said:
'Instinctive said:
Under $1500 would be ideal.15" screen-wise is about as big as it can get (maybe 17"), because it needs to be able to travel to class in college as well (the recipient is graduating HS soon, we don't want to have to get him another laptop in under a year)Thanks for the response. I don't know the right questions to ask or what info to provide without direction haha
Will he need to use it in-class on battery? Or will it normally have an electrical socket nearby?
In class - batteryGaming and other uses - socket nearby
You definitely don't want anything bigger than 15 for use in class, 14 or smaller is better for that environment.
Yeah - I use a 13" but I'm no gamer, all sports for me. I could go to 15 pretty easily I think and not lose much in the weigh of backpack space or anything. 17 would be pushing it, IMO. Both the suggestions look good.
 
'Zasada said:
'Instinctive said:
And do you know the cost of going with a solid state HD, or having an SSD installed, or the differences between having a solid state for everything and having the SSD for games?
I think you're getting your terms confused. Solid State Drive = SSD. Hard Disk Drive = HDD. The latter is the "spinning platter" or traditional kind.With most laptops you generally have to choose one or the other, since there isn't enough room in the chassis for both. In a desktop you have plenty of room.

If you plan to store lots of media or several large games on the laptop, then a large SSD is going to be very expensive. But the speed difference is material.
Probably. I thought an SSD was a large, easily accessible memory card. I thought that was different from a solid state hard drive. I'm computer illiterate. Thanks a ton for your help.
 
Is there gonna be an issue installing windows on a second PC? Like they don't let you do that or something?

 
'Zasada said:
'Pick said:
Is there gonna be an issue installing windows on a second PC? Like they don't let you do that or something?
Correct, you won't be allowed to do this, you'll need a second license.
No clue how to go about this. :help:
You have to buy another copy of Win7. They can be had on NewEgg for $80-$100.
That blows. Feels like I just barely got Win7 but it's been about 1.5 years. Oh well. Should've gone with the family package with multiple licenses.
 
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'Pick said:
Is there gonna be an issue installing windows on a second PC? Like they don't let you do that or something?
Correct, you won't be allowed to do this, you'll need a second license.
No clue how to go about this. :help:
You have to buy another copy of Win7. They can be had on NewEgg for $80-$100.
The upgrade version (good for 3 machines) is $100 on Amazon today.
What does upgrade version mean?
 
I got all the stuff I want saved on dropbox so I think I'm ok there.

What happens to your itunes stuff when you reload on another PC?

 
'Zasada said:
'Pick said:
Is there gonna be an issue installing windows on a second PC? Like they don't let you do that or something?
Correct, you won't be allowed to do this, you'll need a second license.
No clue how to go about this. :help:
You have to buy another copy of Win7. They can be had on NewEgg for $80-$100.
The upgrade version (good for 3 machines) is $100 on Amazon today.
What does upgrade version mean?
It means you're supposed to have a licensed version of XP or Vista that you're taking out of service. You can do a clean install.
 
We hear whispers of the final launch price of AMD's upcoming Radeon HD 7000 series cards and it looks as though the faster variation of the Tahiti chip will hit US $549 price tag while the slower one should be priced at US $449.Of course, bear in mind that nothing is carved in stone here as AMD still has the option and ample time to change the price, or as they call it, adjust it, even a few days before the actual launch. The same thing goes for the name of the card as these are only finallized when partners boxes are sent for printing. But for now, the HD 7950 and the HD 7970 are the names most partners are using and these US $449/549 are the prices that came from AMD.As you already know, AMD planned to ship the cards in the first week of December as holiday shopping is always a nice timeframe for a launch. Unfortunately, TSMC is the one to blame as we are hearing that even the yields of the 40nm HD 6900 series are still not great and TSMC is also the reason why HD 7000 got pushed to early-January shipping date, or in time for CES 2012.In any case, we'll keep our eyes and ears ready in case AMD decides to change these anytime soon.
Bummer. Looks like no price moves anytime soon. Launch delayed, no sign of NVDIA's nextgen and a high entry point means there's not a lot of inventive for current gen cards to go down.
 
http://1saleaday.com/5870 for $140Last gen card, right? Good for those on a budget? I'm still holding out, unless recommended otherwise but figured I'd throw it out there.
Yes and yes. Don't count on prices coming down much on the 6870s in the next few weeks. Dec 5th came and went with nary a comment on the 7000 series. Pretty disappointing.
Debating buying this and holding on for 6 months or so to see where we get to this summer
 
http://1saleaday.com/5870 for $140Last gen card, right? Good for those on a budget? I'm still holding out, unless recommended otherwise but figured I'd throw it out there.
Yes and yes. Don't count on prices coming down much on the 6870s in the next few weeks. Dec 5th came and went with nary a comment on the 7000 series. Pretty disappointing.
Debating buying this and holding on for 6 months or so to see where we get to this summer
Heckuva deal there.
 
So I have a quick question -- I'm looking at upgrading my monitor; but at the same time I think I may also like to purchase a new Plasma TV. If I were to buy say, a 51" plasma would my picture quality still be pretty good via the HDMI slot? I had hooked up my PC to my 70" and it didn't look BAD, but not great? My 23" monitor was a bit sharper.

I'd be sitting probably 7-10 feet away from the screen at my desk for PC use, and 7-10 on the couch if using as a TV. Would there be any differnece in say, getting a Plasma as opposed to a "Large Format Display" monitor from New Egg?

Thanks for the help :) .

 
Got hung up in registering to buy that card last night and didn't get it :wall: I've emailed them and complained but doubt I'll hear back.

Going to buy one of these monitors today:

Planar 27" for $240

Asus 24" for $180

Planar is 3" bigger and has a 20% better contrast ratio (1200:1 vs 1000:1). They are comparable in every other aspect.

The Asus is wildly popular but the Planar, while less popular also has stellar reviews.

 
It says new win7 cost $189 and then another for $100. What's the difference there?

Also need help on getting an HD.

Everything is at my house now except video card which I'm about to order. Pick up Ram at lunch today from MC. And then gotta buy the new OS and an HD.

 
Online sales are strong this year so I wouldn't expect any mindblowing deals now that we're in the heart of gift shopping. The next deals will likely come in about 10-14 days, shortly before Christmas and then maybe some clearance after Christmas.

 
It says new win7 cost $189 and then another for $100. What's the difference there?Also need help on getting an HD.Everything is at my house now except video card which I'm about to order. Pick up Ram at lunch today from MC. And then gotta buy the new OS and an HD.
Talk to me today when you stop by my office.
 
It's Pick's lucky day. I had a fast 6.0 SATA 7200rpm 1 TB drive that I had bought before the whole flooding issue happened sitting in my office that I didn't need yet. So I charged him a 1 penny premium over what I paid in February and now he is almost ready to build. :)

 

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