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Mad Cow's Italy trip discussion thread (2 Viewers)

Where should we go for our trip?

  • Italy

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gotta know your Italy airport to start.....
Looking at prices, looks like Rome. We are likely ditching Venice, but would still like to do the other 3. I realize we are losing a half day heading to Amalfi, but I’m not sure when we’ll ever get back. My sister recommended someone who can apparently pick us up in Naples (or Rome, for more) and take us to Amalfi while kind of serving as a guide for a few days. The luggage thing concerns me- my wife generally needs a full size roller bag even when we go to Vegas for 4 days. I know that’s not the norm in Europe, but I’m not sure of a way around it. Packing recommendations? Other thoughts? 

 
Take two changes of clothes.  Go to a thrift store your first day and buy enough for half your time there. Do laundry once while there, then sell/donate it all back.

 
Looking at prices, looks like Rome. We are likely ditching Venice, but would still like to do the other 3. I realize we are losing a half day heading to Amalfi, but I’m not sure when we’ll ever get back. My sister recommended someone who can apparently pick us up in Naples (or Rome, for more) and take us to Amalfi while kind of serving as a guide for a few days. The luggage thing concerns me- my wife generally needs a full size roller bag even when we go to Vegas for 4 days. I know that’s not the norm in Europe, but I’m not sure of a way around it. Packing recommendations? Other thoughts? 
i could type for a while, but i always suggest doing your airport city last, for ease.  i.e., if you are going home from rome, spend your last nights in rome.  jamny i think is an amalfi savant, but there are so many little places to hit, it can be time consuming imo.  i am headed to positano for 4 nights and pretty much sticking to positano.  they have water taxis they go town hopping.  i am taking car service to and from the naples train station,  here is a brief amalfi guide for reference;

Sorrento: good for cliff gazing at Vesuvius and there’s a charming fishing village; this was our homebase and it was probably my favorite place. 

● Bagni della Regina Giovanna: incredible little beach cove with incredible views. It’s not close to downtown, you would probably have to take a cab up to the path that leads you there. There is a little sandwich shop/gas station with decent food if you wanted to grab something and make a day of sitting around here. There are a few ruins as well.

● Piazza Tasso: name of the main square

● Chiostro di San Francesco: nice church to sit and look around

● Marina Grande- Antico Borgo Marinaro: apparently the place to eat, sit around, beach it

● Villa Comunale: great place to watch the sunrise/set

● Cattedrale di Sorrento: beautiful cathedrals

● I Giardini di Cataldo: **the place for limoncello; walk through a lemon grove to get here

● Museo Correale di Terranova: more modern museum (16th to 19th century)

● Basilica di Sant’Antonio: some dark medieval paintings and other oddities; dates from 11th century and the oldest church in the town

● Restaurants: Il Buco (absolutely exceptional; I think it has a Michelin star; we sat outside, if you eat anywhere in Sorrento this place should be it); Grand Hotel Aminta Dafne Outdoor Restaurant (great seafood and pasta dishes; also more out of the way of the main town, but good); Ristorante Bagni Delfino (this has high ratings for Sorrento, but I think this was just average; nice experience though); Fuoro 51 Winebar; Accento Restaurant; La cantinaccia del popolo;

Ravello: hilltop garden paradise, famous for it’s music festival; we did not go here, but it was recommended to me by multiple people; it seems like this is the place to go for the best views

● Villa Cimbrone Gardens: 7 euro entrance; 9am until sunset; gardens at a hotel, I think you can come and drink here. The gardens were redesigned in the 20th century by English gardener Vita Sackville-West. They are considered among the most important examples of the English landscape and botany culture in the South of Europe; the end of the central path ends in the Infinity Terrace, called one of the most beautiful views in the world by Gore Vidal. Hotel is a 12th century residence and a 10 minute walk from city centre; cannot be reached by car

● Villa Rufolo: 7 euros, breathtaking views, beautiful gardens. 14th century tower marks its entrance

● Le Ville di Ravello: Great walk to it, scenery, views

● Ravello- Atrani Walk: challenging walk but great views

● Duomo di Ravello: 11th century cathedral with incredible detail

● Ceramiche d’Arte Carmela: ceramics shop

● Camo: Cameo shop with a museum beyond the showroom

● Auditorium Oscar Niemeyer: modern looking building that people either love or hate

● Restaurants: Mimi Bar Pizzeria, Vittoria

Capri: you can take a ferry to Capri from Sorrento (or any other place) for about 13 euros. There are a number of things to do here, mainly from the boat (I Faraglioni, Green Grotta, Blue Grotto, etc) and I definitely recommend a boat tour (one of the shorter, meaning ~2 hour, ones). 

● Blue Grotto (Grotta Azzurra): Some boat tours have the cost included, but if you’re going alone its 14 euro to get in the grotto. It will be a very quick row boat in and out, but the rowers are fun and the scene inside is truly one of a kind on this earth

● Giardini di Augusto: 1 euro. Small but beautiful.

● Marina Piccola: a beach away from the hustle of the main island on the “backside” of Capri; you can take a cab here and it is definitely worth it; the area is more secluded, the drive there is beautiful, you can rent a little locker and just sit on a chair all day, and probably not be bothered by anyone. Good view of i Faraglioni from here.

● Belvedere di Tragara: tough walk but beautiful views of the island

● Villa Lysis: also a trek but apparently very worth it

● Villa San Michele: former home of a Swedish dr and animal activist (two of my favorite things), it was built on the ruins of a Roman villa and the gardens are evidently amazing, views superb, and Roman statues make for great photo ops

● Seggiovia del Monte Solaro: chair lift that gets you to the top of Capri’s highest peak. 8 euros one way, 11 for a return trip. On a clear day, you can see the entire Bay of Naples, the Amalfi Coast, and the islands of Ischia and Procida. To walk to the top of Monte Solaro would take an hour to an hour and a half.

● Casa Rosa: Moroccan-style Red House, has pretty paintings of Capri and a statue that was excavated from the Blue Grotto. Admission is 3.5 euros

● Restaurants: Gennaro Amitrano (nice and expensive), Salumeria Da Aldo (cheap but good; greatest caprese sandwich the world has ever known)

Positano: LonelyPlanet says it’s the most photogenic, beautiful (and expensive) town in the Amalfi

● Fornillo: stretch of coastline described as the most beautiful in the entire mediterranean

● Bagni d’Arienzo: another beach

● Swirl the Glass: private wine tasting

● Ristorante Casa Mele: in Positano

● Franks: touristy bar, but the best place in Positano to watch the sunset; they had good cocktails and the view was nice, but you will probably be surrounded by other Americans and people also watching the sunset, which makes the view not so good unless you have a great seat or are bold enough to elbow your way through people.

● Il Capitano: restaurant with absolutely exceptional views. We were lucky enough to be seated around the perimeter and it is without question the best scenery I’ve ever eaten a meal in. Food was decent, but it would probably rank in the lower ⅓ of meals I had in Italy.

● Bar Bruno: just up the road from Franks, I still dream about the gnocchi I had here. Also if you sit outside you will be overlooking the entire town.

● Ristorante La Sponda, or Le Sirenuse- “Hundreds of candles illuminate the restaurant as mandolin and guitar players serenade diners. This is a true reservation for romance;” located right next to Franks I believe http://sirenuse.it/en/restaurants-bars

● Hotel Ancora: a friend instagrammed from here and the view looks amazing

Other:

● Pompeii: if you’re into history this is worth it, otherwise maybe skip; its a lot of ruins (again, fascinating if you’re into history, if not it will look like a lot of the same)

● Sentiero degli Dei: the path of the gods. Provides great views of the Amalfi Coast and Capri

● Ischia: volcanic island in the Gulf of Naples known for its mineral-rich thermal waters

● Praiano: This town looks very far away, but was recommended. Restaurant there is Kasai. The person that recommended this place to me said it was the best meal he’s ever had in his entire life.

● Procida Island: we did not go here, I don’t really know anything about it

○ Port of Corricella: very picture-esque

○ Terra Murata

○ Abbazia San Michele Arcangelo

 
Looking at prices, looks like Rome. We are likely ditching Venice, but would still like to do the other 3. I realize we are losing a half day heading to Amalfi, but I’m not sure when we’ll ever get back. My sister recommended someone who can apparently pick us up in Naples (or Rome, for more) and take us to Amalfi while kind of serving as a guide for a few days. The luggage thing concerns me- my wife generally needs a full size roller bag even when we go to Vegas for 4 days. I know that’s not the norm in Europe, but I’m not sure of a way around it. Packing recommendations? Other thoughts? 
i am not a venice fan and, honestly, 9 nights is not enough.  you gotta pack carry on only, especially if you want to take trains, which i suggest.  talk your wife off the cliff.  wash clothes, but pack lightish.  think that you are not packing for 9 nights, rather 3 nights, but in 3 different places.  what time of season are you going?  if you arrive in rome, this sounds odd, but i would take the leonardo express into termini and from termini, high speed train to florence to start.  from florence, i’d high speed to naples and grab the car to positano.  it’s about 1 hour from naples to positano by car.  then i’d finish in rome by taking the train back from naples.  when are you going?  hotels or airbnb?  tours?  wine?  food?

 
I'm sure I've said this before here, but 1 night in Venice was enough for us.  I do know people that spend multiple nights there and love it.  We also only did it because we finished north in Milan (and Milan I would not recommend, we basically ended there to see a concert at San Siro).  I think my point is Venice is kind of out of the way for 1 night if you're not doing anything else north, but IMO not sure it's worth multiple nights.

 
we stayed in amalfi.  ravello was out favorite spot.  positano was great, but too much.  da vincenzo is a fabulous restaurant in positano.  the pathway of the gods was beyond scenic, fun and very hard.  loved it, except the 42.8 million steps, down to positano.

 
Agree with others here, 9 days is too short, but if that is what you have to work, that is what you have to work with - you will still enjoy! Recommend high speed trains (upgrade to first class for about $15).   We were there three and a half weeks a couple years ago and we each had one large suitcase. We didn't have any issues.   If you do most of the following you will have a great time.

-  I probably am in the minority of liking Venice/Murano. But we were there in May. Would do two nights. But wouldn't consider going there for a 9 day trip unless you were focusing on northern Italy. 

-  Florence is great and you can stay busy for days with day trips to Pisa (nothing there except the tower) or Tuscany. The sites to see in Florence are all in walking distance.  A day in Siena will give you the Tuscany vibe. Don't worry about a wine tasting trip. There is a lot of great inexpensive wine wherever you go and you don't need to tie up a half day. Very easy to drive to Tuscany (like Sienna) for the day...if you can get out of Rome. 

-  Rome was my least favorite but some great sites you can get to with some good walking. Coliseum is anti-climactic but you will always wish you went if you don't go.  Vatican/Sistine Chapel, Pantheon, dinner in the Trastevere neighborhood, Trevi Fountain, Piazza Nvona (big square). The city blocks are considerably smaller so if you are looking at a map you can walk to all these areas, if you are staying somewhere in the "ancient Rome" area. You can walk from the Coliseum to the Vatican and everywhere in between. Just about every block you can get gelato, pizza or wine.

- Amalfi Coast - absolutely favorite area. Take a train from Rome to Naples or Salerno and hire driver to Positano. We stayed in Praiano, under 6 km away so we could enjoy the lights of Praiano at night and take shuttle into Positano. There really isn't a town of Praiano - more of an area. Day trip to Capri/Blue Grotto - catch ferry from Positano or Sorrento.  One of our top 5 meals of all time is at very small restaurant on main rode thru Praiano at "Vivaro" - owner/chef asks you red or white (wine) and meat or seafood. He then prepares custom meal for each person based on what is in season.  We ended up with a couple bottle of wine, two main courses/ea and two desserts/each  for total of 80 euro.  "cities" of Amalfi and Ravello are very different. Beautiful views from top of "mountain" where Ravello sits.  Amalfi has some good sites is basically a long street.

- Sorrento - didn't go here except on drive to Naples to catch flight so no advice on Sorrento.

- Milan - you may want to consider Milan airport, depending on cost/airline, and take train to Florence and then go south and fly out of Rome. We ended up flying into Venice direct from US and then flying out of Naples, connecting in London. But were using awards for our flights.

- You may want to consider using a travel agent that is familiar with Italy to help and can make train reservations in advance. 

Don't worry - you will enjoy!

 
i am not a venice fan and, honestly, 9 nights is not enough.  you gotta pack carry on only, especially if you want to take trains, which i suggest.  talk your wife off the cliff.  wash clothes, but pack lightish.  think that you are not packing for 9 nights, rather 3 nights, but in 3 different places.  what time of season are you going?  if you arrive in rome, this sounds odd, but i would take the leonardo express into termini and from termini, high speed train to florence to start.  from florence, i’d high speed to naples and grab the car to positano.  it’s about 1 hour from naples to positano by car.  then i’d finish in rome by taking the train back from naples.  when are you going?  hotels or airbnb?  tours?  wine?  food?
Thanks for all of the input. We’re going in September or October. Likely hotels. Besides having the possible tour guide for Amalfi, haven’t gotten that far otherwise. Maybe a day trip to Siena and maybe a tour for some Rome highlights. So it sounds like the high speed train in Rome isn’t close to the airport, considering you are recommending a connection of sorts? Would make for a long day but I suppose it beats the stress of trying to make a flight coming from another city. 9 nights is probably our max, especially with the overnight flight to get there. Kids are 11 and 13, but will be longest we’ve ever left them. Have not looked at food options yet. Wife loves wine; me not as much. 

 
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We stayed at AirBNB/VRBO everywhere but Montepulciano, where we stayed at an agriturismo, which is an especially good option if your wife is into the wine.  Best of all worlds imo.  There's a site that's basically AirBnB for agriturismos.  I'll see if the wife still has it bookmarked. 

I'm sure the hotels are great, but especially in Rome, there are SO MANY good, inexpensive rental options.  

 
Of course, there were 3 of us, too. That makes a big difference in hotels there and made two br rentals much more appealing/cost-effective.

 
Phil Elliott said:
-  Florence is great and you can stay busy for days with day trips to Pisa (nothing there except the tower) or Tuscany. The sites to see in Florence are all in walking distance.  A day in Siena will give you the Tuscany vibe. Don't worry about a wine tasting trip. There is a lot of great inexpensive wine wherever you go and you don't need to tie up a half day. Very easy to drive to Tuscany (like Sienna) for the day...if you can get out of Rome. 
While in general you are correct, Pisa is AWESOME at least one night a year. If going in mid June, everyone should highly consider working Pisa into the schedule for Luminara di San Ranieri. Spectacular candlelight festival. Almost 100k candles along the buildings on the river there. The town is a huge festival. Get there during the day of the festival and spend the night. We did it on our way from Rome to Florence.

 
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3 hour lunch said:
Thanks for all of the input. We’re going in September or October. Likely hotels. Besides having the possible tour guide for Amalfi, haven’t gotten that far otherwise. Maybe a day trip to Siena and maybe a tour for some Rome highlights. So it sounds like the high speed train in Rome isn’t close to the airport, considering you are recommending a connection of sorts? Would make for a long day but I suppose it beats the stress of trying to make a flight coming from another city. 9 nights is probably our max, especially with the overnight flight to get there. Kids are 11 and 13, but will be longest we’ve ever left them. Have not looked at food options yet. Wife loves wine; me not as much. 
many hotels in italy have 2 or even 3p check ins and you are correct about FCO.  the good thing is that the leonardo express is pretty cost effective and makes no stops.  it takes about 34 minutes.  so, if you arrive 9a and clear customs around 10a you could catch a leonardo about 10.30a.  get to termini around 11a.  take a train from termini around noon and be in florence around 1.30 and at your hotel by 2p.  perfect.  we stay at hotel degli orafi there.  perfect location.  i know tour guides and suggest a 1/2 day, maybe add in uffizi or accademia.  you could take a bike ride from florence to siena, stopping for wine tasting along the way, we did something similar.  take the train from florence to naples, italo does this in just under 3 hours.  then a car to positano will cost another hour.  so, you could have breakfast and catch a 10a train, get to naples around 1 and positano around 2p for check-in.  reverse this to get to rome in just over an hour.  from termini grab a cab to hotel.  we love hotel ponte sisto.  in positano we are staying at hotel marincanto.  

 
many hotels in italy have 2 or even 3p check ins and you are correct about FCO.  the good thing is that the leonardo express is pretty cost effective and makes no stops.  it takes about 34 minutes.  so, if you arrive 9a and clear customs around 10a you could catch a leonardo about 10.30a.  get to termini around 11a.  take a train from termini around noon and be in florence around 1.30 and at your hotel by 2p.  perfect.  we stay at hotel degli orafi there.  perfect location.  i know tour guides and suggest a 1/2 day, maybe add in uffizi or accademia.  you could take a bike ride from florence to siena, stopping for wine tasting along the way, we did something similar.  take the train from florence to naples, italo does this in just under 3 hours.  then a car to positano will cost another hour.  so, you could have breakfast and catch a 10a train, get to naples around 1 and positano around 2p for check-in.  reverse this to get to rome in just over an hour.  from termini grab a cab to hotel.  we love hotel ponte sisto.  in positano we are staying at hotel marincanto.  
You can bike to Siena? That’s cool, didn’t know it was so close. Do many restaurants take online reservations? Any particular tour guide you recommend for Florence? May look at that for Rome too. 

 
My family hired a guide for a full day tour that picked us up in Florence, drove us to Siena where we spent a couple of hours, then to San Gimignano where we first had a tasting/tour/lunch at a family-owned winery then toured the village for a couple of hours, then drove back to Florence. Pretty sure ChemX recommended it. Not having to worry about driving made it all the more enjoyable.

We loved every bit of our two week trip but this day was at the top of the list.

Tuscany Tour

 
And others may disagree, but for Florence if you tour-spend is limited I'd use it for something like the one I linked above. Everything in Florence itself is within walking distance, and with a little research beforehand you can plot your own tour. We ended up purchasing tickets to join skip-the-line group tours at a couple of spots but I liked moving around the city at our own pace, stopping for a drink or a shop on a whim, and not paying someone to show us around.

 
My family hired a guide for a full day tour that picked us up in Florence, drove us to Siena where we spent a couple of hours, then to San Gimignano where we first had a tasting/tour/lunch at a family-owned winery then toured the village for a couple of hours, then drove back to Florence. Pretty sure ChemX recommended it. Not having to worry about driving made it all the more enjoyable.

We loved every bit of our two week trip but this day was at the top of the list.

Tuscany Tour
My boy Sergio!!

 
My family hired a guide for a full day tour that picked us up in Florence, drove us to Siena where we spent a couple of hours, then to San Gimignano where we first had a tasting/tour/lunch at a family-owned winery then toured the village for a couple of hours, then drove back to Florence. Pretty sure ChemX recommended it. Not having to worry about driving made it all the more enjoyable.

We loved every bit of our two week trip but this day was at the top of the list.

Tuscany Tour
Looks fun but kind of $$$ for 2 people when a ton of time is off on you own?

 
3 hour lunch said:
Looks fun but kind of $$$ for 2 people when a ton of time is off on you own?
Giovanna Liberotti Florence, Italy

Tour Guide email: guide_16710-110@toursbylocals.com

Tour Guide cell phone #: (+) 393332058971 ('+' required if you call from a cell phone)

toured with her twice.  once, we started and met her at the mercato centrale after we had lunch at the food court.  another time, she left us at the market to eat.  i love santa croce, this is well known.  baldovino and ristorante accademia are my faves.

katie has good info here, but i’ve not used her as a guide    https://katieparla.com/

 
So, we have decided to scrap Positano.  Just booked my flights and had to make a couple of changes, since we wanted to use miles to upgrade to Delta 1st class.  Dates shifted a bit, nothing drastic, but we just decided to focus on house hunting and save Amalfi for when we live in Italy.  Now we have basically have 15 days at our current place to just relax and search for properties.  We will likely spend our last 3 night in Rome before we fly home.  Considering we are flying 1st class going and Economy Comfort returning, it cost us about $3k and 130k miles.  To me, its worth it.  The skymiles card will get me a lot of those miles back.  So, if anyone is going mid may to early june, let me know.

 
Any recommendations for a day trip guide to Capri? Place we were looking at only has unshared boat for 750 euro and I think that’s overkill for us

 
I've never gotten the appeal of a tour guide. I'm sure you learn a lot but I'm there to experience it with my wife at our own pace, not with a guide or especially a group. We'll be going for our 8th time in June and have never had a guide.

 
Any recommendations for a day trip guide to Capri? Place we were looking at only has unshared boat for 750 euro and I think that’s overkill for us
i use tours by locals and have been very happy.  they are private tours and customizable.  we usually book 2.5-3 hrs just for some highlights, plus front of line attraction access does save time.  check them out and if you don't see something, ask them for what you want.

https://www.toursbylocals.com/TBL/WebObjects/ToursByLocals.woa/1/wo/SNPscM8kuyO4YvXo4qs8B0/0.65.1.5.14.5.0

 
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I've never gotten the appeal of a tour guide. I'm sure you learn a lot but I'm there to experience it with my wife at our own pace, not with a guide or especially a group. We'll be going for our 8th time in June and have never had a guide.
If you saw the ### on our tour guide for the Sistene Chapel you might think otherwise, an absolute pleasure to follow her around for three hours.

In general though we used them solely for the purpose of skipping ridiculously long lines, with the exception of the Tuscany tour with a driver where we wanted to booze all day.

 
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I've never gotten the appeal of a tour guide. I'm sure you learn a lot but I'm there to experience it with my wife at our own pace, not with a guide or especially a group. We'll be going for our 8th time in June and have never had a guide.
Been using them in foreign travel for over 40 yrs. My first continental trip, i backpacked, hitch-hiked and only took public transport when i had to, but i got off the train in Budapest when Hungary was still a Communist country (visas up the wazoo to Eurotravel in those days) and a guy outside the station offered to show me around for so little (plus i was hitching because, tho i was rich now, i'd been poor 2 yrs before and thumbed over 100,000 miles and it was my ethic) i had to take him up on it. We ended up pesting Buda all day & evening, getting absolutely bombed at nitespots and giving me the taste for Inside Europe i find so much more personally valuable than sightseeing.

I've recounted before engaging a driver in Izmir, Turkey to take us to Pammukele - mostly because interior Turkey was very Muslim and my wife was a 6ft blonde w obscene fashion sense and a big mouth - and ending up going across most of Turkey (including to his hometown 100s of miles out of our way to spend 3 days w his family, members of which Mary corresponded with til she died) until my wife insisted on a guide even in countries/areas i knew quite well.

Of course, those were the days when a guide worked for the equivalent of a lunch tip and there were a dozen of em at every portal. Now that all peoples' time is valuable, i'm not sure, but Italy is one of the places i'd still let them pitch.

 
Booked for October 19-29! 3 nights Florence, 4 nights Positano, 2 nights Rome. A couple of questions:

- easy to take the train from Rome airport to the high speed train?

- are jeans and a dress shirt acceptable most places?

- any must dine restaurants?

- So far just a rough sketch- Tuscany day trip, uffizi/academia, path of the gods, Capri, Vatican breakfast, colosseum night tour....other suggestions?

Pumped!

 
Booked for October 19-29! 3 nights Florence, 4 nights Positano, 2 nights Rome. A couple of questions:

- easy to take the train from Rome airport to the high speed train?

- are jeans and a dress shirt acceptable most places?

- any must dine restaurants?

- So far just a rough sketch- Tuscany day trip, uffizi/academia, path of the gods, Capri, Vatican breakfast, colosseum night tour....other suggestions?

Pumped!
We only did the airport to the train once, when we went to Capri. I can't give detailed instructions but remember it being very easy. Dress how you feel comfortable. You'll stand out as a tourist in cargo shorts, t-shirt and baseball cap but that's fine too if that's what you want. Personally, I wouldn't go with dress shirts but usually bring nicer jeans and polo shirts.  It's hard to go wrong with restaurants in Italy if you know what to look for. Just stay away from the very touristy areas and piazzas for meals, although I love them for drinks and people watching. I'll post some info on Positano after my trip in June.

 
Booked for October 19-29! 3 nights Florence, 4 nights Positano, 2 nights Rome. A couple of questions:

- easy to take the train from Rome airport to the high speed train?

- are jeans and a dress shirt acceptable most places?

- any must dine restaurants?

- So far just a rough sketch- Tuscany day trip, uffizi/academia, path of the gods, Capri, Vatican breakfast, colosseum night tour....other suggestions?

Pumped!
I would do 2 nights Florence and 3 nights rome.  the train from FCO to Termini is called the Leonardo express, runs about every 10-15 minutes and takes 31 minutes back and forth.  I think the train costs $14/pp.  it is real easy.  just remember in Italy, you buy a ticket and then have to validate it (auto stamp usage) in a yellow kiosk floating around.  otherwise, you may be fined on the spot.  jeans and dress or polo is fine.  remember, churches are places of worship.  plenty of must dines.  your itinerary seems pretty aggressive, think it out so you have some alone time to wander.  I highly recommend guided tours, especially for front of the line access.  everytime I post here I recommend toursbylocals.com.  3-3.5 hour walking tour of main sites is sufficient.  you can customize and it is private too.  otherwise, you can get lost in a place like the Uffizi for 3 days.  you need to hit the essentials if you have time constraints. 

I have pointed everyone here to the Vatican necropolis tour and it gets raves.  If you've ever seen angels and demons, when they go to check the battery, they are below the alter.

 
I have pointed everyone here to the Vatican necropolis tour and it gets raves.  If you've ever seen angels and demons, when they go to check the battery, they are below the alter.
I read Angels and Demons and finished it on our second trip to Rome. It was fun to find the different locations in it while there.

 
I would do 2 nights Florence and 3 nights rome.  the train from FCO to Termini is called the Leonardo express, runs about every 10-15 minutes and takes 31 minutes back and forth.  I think the train costs $14/pp.  it is real easy.  just remember in Italy, you buy a ticket and then have to validate it (auto stamp usage) in a yellow kiosk floating around.  otherwise, you may be fined on the spot.  jeans and dress or polo is fine.  remember, churches are places of worship.  plenty of must dines.  your itinerary seems pretty aggressive, think it out so you have some alone time to wander.  I highly recommend guided tours, especially for front of the line access.  everytime I post here I recommend toursbylocals.com.  3-3.5 hour walking tour of main sites is sufficient.  you can customize and it is private too.  otherwise, you can get lost in a place like the Uffizi for 3 days.  you need to hit the essentials if you have time constraints. 

I have pointed everyone here to the Vatican necropolis tour and it gets raves.  If you've ever seen angels and demons, when they go to check the battery, they are below the alter.
Thanks Chem. Had no idea on the train ticket validation, that helps. Is that just for the Leo express, or all trains? Do trains get full? Will buy our ticket from Florence to Naples in advance but probably shouldn’t for the one on the day we arrive (Rome to Florence). My dress code question was mostly for the nicer restaurants but thanks for the church reminder. Will look into a tour for Uffizi; had already been planning to get “skip the line” tickets. I don’t think we can switch to 2 nights Florence because that’s our first stop and we really want 2 full days there. Wish we had more time in Rome but we will just have to make do!

 
My sister actually recommended this very place. Will be on our list!
I dream of this daily special we had. Whole,  juvenile anchovies. Very lightly fried with a little lemon and sea salt. Topped with pickled onions.  They had been out of the water for about an hour. Perfect starter, paired with a 1/2 liter of house white. 

 
@3 hour lunch

i know the thread is long, but go back through it. I did your trip, minus Florence, in July 2017.  Lot of similar questions, asked and answered. 

Definitely do breakfast at the Vatican. IMHO, it gets you far enough ahead of the masses, that you won’t need any skip the lines. 

Have fun!!

 
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@3 hour lunch

i alone the thread is long, but go back through it. I did your trip, minus Florence, in July 2017.  Lot of similar questions, asked and answered. 

Definitely do breakfast at the Vatican. IMHO, it gets you far enough ahead of the masses, that you won’t need any skip the lines. 

Have fun!!
I actually did read it all a while back, was helpful. Breakfast at the Vatican is on our list, the line skip comment was about Uffizi. Thanks for the help!

 
Thanks Chem. Had no idea on the train ticket validation, that helps. Is that just for the Leo express, or all trains? Do trains get full? Will buy our ticket from Florence to Naples in advance but probably shouldn’t for the one on the day we arrive (Rome to Florence). My dress code question was mostly for the nicer restaurants but thanks for the church reminder. Will look into a tour for Uffizi; had already been planning to get “skip the line” tickets. I don’t think we can switch to 2 nights Florence because that’s our first stop and we really want 2 full days there. Wish we had more time in Rome but we will just have to make do!
can you outline your arrival and travel plans?  if I see them, I could assist more.

 
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can you outline your arrival and travel plans?  if I see them, I could assist more.
Get into Rome at 8:10 am Saturday. Take the Leo Express to Termini and from there to Florence. Taxi to hotel (hotel tbd). It will probably be too early to check in but maybe drop bags and have lunch. 3 nights there. Wednesday, train to Naples and we have a ride from there to Positano. Check into Art Hotel. 4 nights there. Sunday, ride back to Naples, train to Rome. Hotel tbd. Tuesday flight out 11 am. Plans for each city are only lightly sketched right now but:

florence- duomo, uffizi, Siena, accademia

positano- Capri, path of gods, either Sorrento or pizza making class

rome- Vatican and colosseum 

 
Get into Rome at 8:10 am Saturday. Take the Leo Express to Termini and from there to Florence. Taxi to hotel (hotel tbd). It will probably be too early to check in but maybe drop bags and have lunch. 3 nights there. Wednesday, train to Naples and we have a ride from there to Positano. Check into Art Hotel. 4 nights there. Sunday, ride back to Naples, train to Rome. Hotel tbd. Tuesday flight out 11 am. Plans for each city are only lightly sketched right now but:

florence- duomo, uffizi, Siena, accademia

positano- Capri, path of gods, either Sorrento or pizza making class

rome- Vatican and colosseum 
with timing, everything is slower, so you should be fine....

Florence - we always stay at hotel degli orafi.  I recommend for you these   https://www.toursbylocals.com/TBL/WebObjects/ToursByLocals.woa/1/wo/MPuNOxGo13Q0t3Qy8nbaWM/0.35.3.1.16

https://www.toursbylocals.com/TBL/WebObjects/ToursByLocals.woa/1/wo/8trrrRj3g2K8bmSpDP6jEw/0.35.3.0.16

Giovanna is awesome.  I highly recommend lunch at the mercato central.  also, gusta pizza.  we always eat at ristorante academia and baldovino.  I highly recommend a tour that will enter santa croce.  Giovanna will customize so you can add and subtract what you want.  Siena is awesome, but your itinerary is condensed.  We have biked Siena and gone with Sergio at www.mytuscanbuddy.com.  Also, try Roberta here  https://www.toursbylocals.com/TBL/WebObjects/ToursByLocals.woa/1/wo/ReUmj95k0UyU1AMKgteqhM/0.35.3.1.16

Rome - We stay at Hotel Ponte Sisto.  We love, LOVE trastevere.  Rome is a personal experience, but I still recommend a guide to keep you focused and on track to maximize your time.   We did a golf cart tour, a bit pricey, but it hit the major sites and saves time for you to explore others on your own.  The Vatican is a day in and of itself, so knocking off the majors let's you truly enjoy some other sites and foods.  I recommend everything, especially; testaccio market, trastevere (meccanismo bar, freni e frizioni bar, la tavernetta 29 da tony e andrea), la fraschetta di castel sant' angelo, il giardino romano, felice a testaccio.  Vatican necropolis tour. 

 
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Get into Rome at 8:10 am Saturday. Take the Leo Express to Termini and from there to Florence. Taxi to hotel (hotel tbd). It will probably be too early to check in but maybe drop bags and have lunch. 3 nights there. Wednesday, train to Naples and we have a ride from there to Positano. Check into Art Hotel. 4 nights there. Sunday, ride back to Naples, train to Rome. Hotel tbd. Tuesday flight out 11 am. Plans for each city are only lightly sketched right now but:

florence- duomo, uffizi, Siena, accademia

positano- Capri, path of gods, either Sorrento or pizza making class

rome- Vatican and colosseum 
In Florence... I highly recommend a visit to Piazzale Michelangelo.  Beautiful view of the city.

In Rome... as mentioned, Vatican breakfast and night tour of the Coliseum.  Our favorite restaurant and meal from our trip was very near the start of the Coliseum tour.

You can see the review of our trip here

 
Get into Rome at 8:10 am Saturday. Take the Leo Express to Termini and from there to Florence. Taxi to hotel (hotel tbd). It will probably be too early to check in but maybe drop bags and have lunch. 3 nights there. Wednesday, train to Naples and we have a ride from there to Positano. Check into Art Hotel. 4 nights there. Sunday, ride back to Naples, train to Rome. Hotel tbd. Tuesday flight out 11 am. Plans for each city are only lightly sketched right now but:

florence- duomo, uffizi, Siena, accademia

positano- Capri, path of gods, either Sorrento or pizza making class

rome- Vatican and colosseum 
Path of the gods was awesome!  We took the bus to agerlo, early in the morning.  Had coffee and then hiked to positano. The stairs at the end, the zillions of stairs at the end, nearly crushed my knees. And it was going down.   When you see the quaint little bar and think, sweet!, this must be near the end!  It is not. It is the beginning of the stairs. 

 
I may be coming back for the 3rd time in the last 18 months 
my buddy wants to do the 2 week 3 soccer game road trip again 
i would explore either the Amalfi coast or Sicily this time  before meeting up with him

 
small random tips;

-no cappuccino after 10a.

-at some bars and gelaterias, pay first, then present receipt at counter to worker for order to be filled.

-make dinner reservations and remember, some places don’t open till 7.30p.

-if you want to take metro, tram, buses, buy some tickets in advance at the tobacco store, cause they close at 7.30p.

-if you ride, validate the ticket at a kiosk before boarding.

-DEG....dessert, espresso, grappa is served in that order at the end of meals.  salad comes after entrees.

-aperol spritz before dinner, at happy hour, is a go to drink.  maybe find a tavola calda.

-use a credit card with no foreign fees.

-make copies of your passports and take pictures of them on your phone. leave passports in safe and bring copies along when you tour and shop.

-tipping is not required and not expected where we usually tip; however, rounding up a bit if service is good is always appreciated.  i.e. if a meal is 56.30, leave 60.  same with taxis.

-do not dine in touristy areas and do not get prix fixed menu anywhere.  ever.

-i bring along a glade plug in for my hotel room.

-if you have an option, don’t get hotel breakfast.  go authentic and get a cornetto con marmalata o vuoto and a caffè.  no one eats deli meats for breakfast.

-coffee in italy means an espresso.  cafe americano is closest to here.  cappuccinos are the go to drink, but before 10a or you will get a stink eye.  i like macchiatos.

 
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@rockaction said he was going in june in another thread and i haven’t seen him here.  i’ll be there just about the last 3 weeks of may and first 5 days of june, the last 4 in rome.  ramping up my tours and plans, but most of my time outside of rome will be house hunting.  if anyone is in rome 6/2-6/4, i’m free for you to buy me a spritz.

 
@rockaction said he was going in june in another thread and i haven’t seen him here.  i’ll be there just about the last 3 weeks of may and first 5 days of june, the last 4 in rome.  ramping up my tours and plans, but most of my time outside of rome will be house hunting.  if anyone is in rome 6/2-6/4, i’m free for you to buy me a spritz.
Dang, man. We've scheduled the proverbial family trip, which means my brother and SIL's teaching jobs get in the way of that early in June. We're going mid-June because of their schedule.  I'll keep an ear out if anything changes. We're doing Florence and Rome for sure; not sure about the other days on my end.  

 

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