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This season's premiere was the first time I watched the show at all......found it pretty entertaining, little slow, but had some good lines.

Really wish they didn't feel the need to include so many smokers....seems forced and distracting.

Even one of the applicants at the end felt the need to take a long drag after handing in her application....not necessary

 
This season's premiere was the first time I watched the show at all......found it pretty entertaining, little slow, but had some good lines.Really wish they didn't feel the need to include so many smokers....seems forced and distracting. Even one of the applicants at the end felt the need to take a long drag after handing in her application....not necessary
It's completely necessary to the show. Same with the drinking.
 
Loved the premier, so many things bubbling beneath the surface. The perfect description was Ken saying that things were "stable," but Pete is right, stable is one step back from success moving towards failure. Things look stable on the surface for all the characters but major cracks are showing. Just like the mid60's such as when Trudy thinks everything is fine in the world and Peggy's beatnik boyfriend can see the race riots and other social turmoil of the 60's just taking root.

Don - has finally gotten what it seems he wanted, he's lost in the honeymoon period with his young, sexually vibrant wife and thinking of nothing but banging her all the time. He seems to have combined his "proper" home life with his sexual appettite at work that led to him cheating on Betty all the time. Unfortunately, this means he has lost his own drive at work and the firm is suffering for it.

Peggy - is doing all the creative and seeing how Heinz shot her down, she's probably not doing as good a job as she thinks she is.

Pete - workaholic, misses the city, I think he's afraid that he's going to turn into his friend on the train that uses work to escape from his home life and family, in a way Pete is turning into a younger version of how we saw Don in the first season. He's the only one pulling the cart at the firm and he's overwhelmed, even Ken doesn't have the killer instinct or the drive and determination that's needed.

Roger - the honeymoon period is over with his young wife and he is reduced to trying to poach or bribe new clients away from Pete.

Lane - forced by his father to get back together with his wife, he pines for his bachelor days of banging chocolate bunnies. I think he has major money issues as well as evidenced by his wife constantly asking for money and about decorators, etc. He and Pete are the only 2 partners not loaded from the sale of the original Sterling Cooper. I'm also wondering what Lane does all day at the office as he seemed to admit that Joan does a lot of the work that you would think is his area.

Joan - once again realizing that her "perfect life" of doctor husband and baby is not what she really wanted. She finds herself worrying that she's become marginalized and forced out at SCDP and she definitely has some mother issues who knows exactly how to get under her skin and make this proud strong woman insecure.

As for the other characters, Harry has become even more of a ##### morphing from the nice guy, devoted family man (other than that one time) to the same lecherous men he saw running Sterling Cooper in the 50's. The problem is that it's now the mid-60's and times they are a changing. Bert is good for a laugh, but just as irrelevant now as he has always been. Poor Megan is realizing that her young, vibrant, sexual revolution influenced and positive outlook clashes heavily with Don and his coworkers who are older, cynical and still stuck in their "proper and prim" 50's attitudes. What a contrast Megan is to Betty, sleeps in the nude verses night clothes, gives sexy dances in front of all his friends whereas Don once had a major row with Betty for what he saw as "flirting" with Roger over dinner.

As for the firm, things may be "stable" but it's obvious they are really a balancing act. Lane says their credit line is tapped, they can't afford to hire anyone else, the books are a mess, and they have major timing issues with their expenses growing and their revenues only trickling in after the fact. If they don't already, they are going to have major cashflow problems. It doesn't help that 3 of the Senior partners already made their money and at this point are useless and Pete is the only one trying to grow the business. Even once ambitious Ken is complacent and happy with "stable" and we already saw last season he wasn't willing to do whatever it takes to bring business in the door like Pete was.

Probably the best thing about the premier... no Betty the whole time!!! Thank goodness, I didn't even miss her.

 
Great start.

Like Sep said, a thought I had when Lane met his wallet guy was that he was connected....may be a future storyline.

 
Loved the premier, so many things bubbling beneath the surface. The perfect description was Ken saying that things were "stable," but Pete is right, stable is one step back from success moving towards failure. Things look stable on the surface for all the characters but major cracks are showing. Just like the mid60's such as when Trudy thinks everything is fine in the world and Peggy's beatnik boyfriend can see the race riots and other social turmoil of the 60's just taking root.

Don - has finally gotten what it seems he wanted, he's lost in the honeymoon period with his young, sexually vibrant wife and thinking of nothing but banging her all the time. He seems to have combined his "proper" home life with his sexual appettite at work that led to him cheating on Betty all the time. Unfortunately, this means he has lost his own drive at work and the firm is suffering for it.

Peggy - is doing all the creative and seeing how Heinz shot her down, she's probably not doing as good a job as she thinks she is.

Pete - workaholic, misses the city, I think he's afraid that he's going to turn into his friend on the train that uses work to escape from his home life and family, in a way Pete is turning into a younger version of how we saw Don in the first season. He's the only one pulling the cart at the firm and he's overwhelmed, even Ken doesn't have the killer instinct or the drive and determination that's needed.

Roger - the honeymoon period is over with his young wife and he is reduced to trying to poach or bribe new clients away from Pete.

Lane - forced by his father to get back together with his wife, he pines for his bachelor days of banging chocolate bunnies. I think he has major money issues as well as evidenced by his wife constantly asking for money and about decorators, etc. He and Pete are the only 2 partners not loaded from the sale of the original Sterling Cooper. I'm also wondering what Lane does all day at the office as he seemed to admit that Joan does a lot of the work that you would think is his area.

Joan - once again realizing that her "perfect life" of doctor husband and baby is not what she really wanted. She finds herself worrying that she's become marginalized and forced out at SCDP and she definitely has some mother issues who knows exactly how to get under her skin and make this proud strong woman insecure.

As for the other characters, Harry has become even more of a ##### morphing from the nice guy, devoted family man (other than that one time) to the same lecherous men he saw running Sterling Cooper in the 50's. The problem is that it's now the mid-60's and times they are a changing. Bert is good for a laugh, but just as irrelevant now as he has always been. Poor Megan is realizing that her young, vibrant, sexual revolution influenced and positive outlook clashes heavily with Don and his coworkers who are older, cynical and still stuck in their "proper and prim" 50's attitudes. What a contrast Megan is to Betty, sleeps in the nude verses night clothes, gives sexy dances in front of all his friends whereas Don once had a major row with Betty for what he saw as "flirting" with Roger over dinner.

As for the firm, things may be "stable" but it's obvious they are really a balancing act. Lane says their credit line is tapped, they can't afford to hire anyone else, the books are a mess, and they have major timing issues with their expenses growing and their revenues only trickling in after the fact. If they don't already, they are going to have major cashflow problems. It doesn't help that 3 of the Senior partners already made their money and at this point are useless and Pete is the only one trying to grow the business. Even once ambitious Ken is complacent and happy with "stable" and we already saw last season he wasn't willing to do whatever it takes to bring business in the door like Pete was.

Probably the best thing about the premier... no Betty the whole time!!! Thank goodness, I didn't even miss her.
:thumbup: Nice write-up. The theme did seem to be that everyone at the office was complacent and minimally motivated except Pete. Even Peggy, who was working hard and expressed her usual annoyance at not being listened to or appreciated, didn't seem to be as intensely consumed by the office. It seems clear the agency is going to inch towards the brink again. Hopefully Don returns to the guy who told Bert "I want to work" when the sky was falling at the end of season three.

I think it's unlikely Roger will still be in his office by the end of the season.

 
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This season's premiere was the first time I watched the show at all......found it pretty entertaining, little slow, but had some good lines.Really wish they didn't feel the need to include so many smokers....seems forced and distracting. Even one of the applicants at the end felt the need to take a long drag after handing in her application....not necessary
Don't even bother watching anymore until you've gotten caught up. And the smoking is absolutely necessary.
 
This season's premiere was the first time I watched the show at all......found it pretty entertaining, little slow, but had some good lines.Really wish they didn't feel the need to include so many smokers....seems forced and distracting. Even one of the applicants at the end felt the need to take a long drag after handing in her application....not necessary
Don't even bother watching anymore until you've gotten caught up. And the smoking is absolutely necessary.
Yeah, I don't think Wu realizes how much people smoked back then. All the time! The show is very realistic in that aspect.When I was a kid, we brought our cat to the vet. He was smoking while giving the cat a check-up and some ashes fell on my cat and he just brushed them off and continued the exam.
 
Loved the premier, so many things bubbling beneath the surface. The perfect description was Ken saying that things were "stable," but Pete is right, stable is one step back from success moving towards failure. Things look stable on the surface for all the characters but major cracks are showing. Just like the mid60's such as when Trudy thinks everything is fine in the world and Peggy's beatnik boyfriend can see the race riots and other social turmoil of the 60's just taking root.Don - has finally gotten what it seems he wanted, he's lost in the honeymoon period with his young, sexually vibrant wife and thinking of nothing but banging her all the time. He seems to have combined his "proper" home life with his sexual appettite at work that led to him cheating on Betty all the time. Unfortunately, this means he has lost his own drive at work and the firm is suffering for it.Peggy - is doing all the creative and seeing how Heinz shot her down, she's probably not doing as good a job as she thinks she is.Pete - workaholic, misses the city, I think he's afraid that he's going to turn into his friend on the train that uses work to escape from his home life and family, in a way Pete is turning into a younger version of how we saw Don in the first season. He's the only one pulling the cart at the firm and he's overwhelmed, even Ken doesn't have the killer instinct or the drive and determination that's needed.Roger - the honeymoon period is over with his young wife and he is reduced to trying to poach or bribe new clients away from Pete.Lane - forced by his father to get back together with his wife, he pines for his bachelor days of banging chocolate bunnies. I think he has major money issues as well as evidenced by his wife constantly asking for money and about decorators, etc. He and Pete are the only 2 partners not loaded from the sale of the original Sterling Cooper. I'm also wondering what Lane does all day at the office as he seemed to admit that Joan does a lot of the work that you would think is his area. Joan - once again realizing that her "perfect life" of doctor husband and baby is not what she really wanted. She finds herself worrying that she's become marginalized and forced out at SCDP and she definitely has some mother issues who knows exactly how to get under her skin and make this proud strong woman insecure.As for the other characters, Harry has become even more of a ##### morphing from the nice guy, devoted family man (other than that one time) to the same lecherous men he saw running Sterling Cooper in the 50's. The problem is that it's now the mid-60's and times they are a changing. Bert is good for a laugh, but just as irrelevant now as he has always been. Poor Megan is realizing that her young, vibrant, sexual revolution influenced and positive outlook clashes heavily with Don and his coworkers who are older, cynical and still stuck in their "proper and prim" 50's attitudes. What a contrast Megan is to Betty, sleeps in the nude verses night clothes, gives sexy dances in front of all his friends whereas Don once had a major row with Betty for what he saw as "flirting" with Roger over dinner.As for the firm, things may be "stable" but it's obvious they are really a balancing act. Lane says their credit line is tapped, they can't afford to hire anyone else, the books are a mess, and they have major timing issues with their expenses growing and their revenues only trickling in after the fact. If they don't already, they are going to have major cashflow problems. It doesn't help that 3 of the Senior partners already made their money and at this point are useless and Pete is the only one trying to grow the business. Even once ambitious Ken is complacent and happy with "stable" and we already saw last season he wasn't willing to do whatever it takes to bring business in the door like Pete was.Probably the best thing about the premier... no Betty the whole time!!! Thank goodness, I didn't even miss her.
Awesome recap...there's a corner of my worthless blog for you if you want to do this each week.
 
Loved the premier, so many things bubbling beneath the surface. The perfect description was Ken saying that things were "stable," but Pete is right, stable is one step back from success moving towards failure. Things look stable on the surface for all the characters but major cracks are showing. Just like the mid60's such as when Trudy thinks everything is fine in the world and Peggy's beatnik boyfriend can see the race riots and other social turmoil of the 60's just taking root.Don - has finally gotten what it seems he wanted, he's lost in the honeymoon period with his young, sexually vibrant wife and thinking of nothing but banging her all the time. He seems to have combined his "proper" home life with his sexual appettite at work that led to him cheating on Betty all the time. Unfortunately, this means he has lost his own drive at work and the firm is suffering for it.Peggy - is doing all the creative and seeing how Heinz shot her down, she's probably not doing as good a job as she thinks she is.Pete - workaholic, misses the city, I think he's afraid that he's going to turn into his friend on the train that uses work to escape from his home life and family, in a way Pete is turning into a younger version of how we saw Don in the first season. He's the only one pulling the cart at the firm and he's overwhelmed, even Ken doesn't have the killer instinct or the drive and determination that's needed.Roger - the honeymoon period is over with his young wife and he is reduced to trying to poach or bribe new clients away from Pete.Lane - forced by his father to get back together with his wife, he pines for his bachelor days of banging chocolate bunnies. I think he has major money issues as well as evidenced by his wife constantly asking for money and about decorators, etc. He and Pete are the only 2 partners not loaded from the sale of the original Sterling Cooper. I'm also wondering what Lane does all day at the office as he seemed to admit that Joan does a lot of the work that you would think is his area. Joan - once again realizing that her "perfect life" of doctor husband and baby is not what she really wanted. She finds herself worrying that she's become marginalized and forced out at SCDP and she definitely has some mother issues who knows exactly how to get under her skin and make this proud strong woman insecure.As for the other characters, Harry has become even more of a ##### morphing from the nice guy, devoted family man (other than that one time) to the same lecherous men he saw running Sterling Cooper in the 50's. The problem is that it's now the mid-60's and times they are a changing. Bert is good for a laugh, but just as irrelevant now as he has always been. Poor Megan is realizing that her young, vibrant, sexual revolution influenced and positive outlook clashes heavily with Don and his coworkers who are older, cynical and still stuck in their "proper and prim" 50's attitudes. What a contrast Megan is to Betty, sleeps in the nude verses night clothes, gives sexy dances in front of all his friends whereas Don once had a major row with Betty for what he saw as "flirting" with Roger over dinner.As for the firm, things may be "stable" but it's obvious they are really a balancing act. Lane says their credit line is tapped, they can't afford to hire anyone else, the books are a mess, and they have major timing issues with their expenses growing and their revenues only trickling in after the fact. If they don't already, they are going to have major cashflow problems. It doesn't help that 3 of the Senior partners already made their money and at this point are useless and Pete is the only one trying to grow the business. Even once ambitious Ken is complacent and happy with "stable" and we already saw last season he wasn't willing to do whatever it takes to bring business in the door like Pete was.Probably the best thing about the premier... no Betty the whole time!!! Thank goodness, I didn't even miss her.
Awesome recap...there's a corner of my worthless blog for you if you want to do this each week.
:confused:
 
This season's premiere was the first time I watched the show at all......found it pretty entertaining, little slow, but had some good lines.Really wish they didn't feel the need to include so many smokers....seems forced and distracting. Even one of the applicants at the end felt the need to take a long drag after handing in her application....not necessary
:goodposting:Don't even bother watching anymore until you've gotten caught up. And the smoking is absolutely necessary.
Yep. Not even worth your time now unless you get caught up on all the back stories and subplots. You're better off listening to 36 Chambers, son.
 
Really wish they didn't feel the need to include so many smokers....seems forced and distracting.
:lmao:
:yes: this is like telling the various members of the Wu-Tang to put down their blunts
My one beef with Saving Private Ryan was including so many people carrying guns.
I was watching the pron yesterday and all the nudity can be quite distracting. Some of the scenes feel forced.
 
Was Don drinking or smoking at all in the office? If not, thats as big a change as his new laid-back work attitude.

 
Loved the premier, so many things bubbling beneath the surface. The perfect description was Ken saying that things were "stable," but Pete is right, stable is one step back from success moving towards failure. Things look stable on the surface for all the characters but major cracks are showing. Just like the mid60's such as when Trudy thinks everything is fine in the world and Peggy's beatnik boyfriend can see the race riots and other social turmoil of the 60's just taking root.Don - has finally gotten what it seems he wanted, he's lost in the honeymoon period with his young, sexually vibrant wife and thinking of nothing but banging her all the time. He seems to have combined his "proper" home life with his sexual appettite at work that led to him cheating on Betty all the time. Unfortunately, this means he has lost his own drive at work and the firm is suffering for it.Peggy - is doing all the creative and seeing how Heinz shot her down, she's probably not doing as good a job as she thinks she is.Pete - workaholic, misses the city, I think he's afraid that he's going to turn into his friend on the train that uses work to escape from his home life and family, in a way Pete is turning into a younger version of how we saw Don in the first season. He's the only one pulling the cart at the firm and he's overwhelmed, even Ken doesn't have the killer instinct or the drive and determination that's needed.Roger - the honeymoon period is over with his young wife and he is reduced to trying to poach or bribe new clients away from Pete.Lane - forced by his father to get back together with his wife, he pines for his bachelor days of banging chocolate bunnies. I think he has major money issues as well as evidenced by his wife constantly asking for money and about decorators, etc. He and Pete are the only 2 partners not loaded from the sale of the original Sterling Cooper. I'm also wondering what Lane does all day at the office as he seemed to admit that Joan does a lot of the work that you would think is his area. Joan - once again realizing that her "perfect life" of doctor husband and baby is not what she really wanted. She finds herself worrying that she's become marginalized and forced out at SCDP and she definitely has some mother issues who knows exactly how to get under her skin and make this proud strong woman insecure.As for the other characters, Harry has become even more of a ##### morphing from the nice guy, devoted family man (other than that one time) to the same lecherous men he saw running Sterling Cooper in the 50's. The problem is that it's now the mid-60's and times they are a changing. Bert is good for a laugh, but just as irrelevant now as he has always been. Poor Megan is realizing that her young, vibrant, sexual revolution influenced and positive outlook clashes heavily with Don and his coworkers who are older, cynical and still stuck in their "proper and prim" 50's attitudes. What a contrast Megan is to Betty, sleeps in the nude verses night clothes, gives sexy dances in front of all his friends whereas Don once had a major row with Betty for what he saw as "flirting" with Roger over dinner.As for the firm, things may be "stable" but it's obvious they are really a balancing act. Lane says their credit line is tapped, they can't afford to hire anyone else, the books are a mess, and they have major timing issues with their expenses growing and their revenues only trickling in after the fact. If they don't already, they are going to have major cashflow problems. It doesn't help that 3 of the Senior partners already made their money and at this point are useless and Pete is the only one trying to grow the business. Even once ambitious Ken is complacent and happy with "stable" and we already saw last season he wasn't willing to do whatever it takes to bring business in the door like Pete was.Probably the best thing about the premier... no Betty the whole time!!! Thank goodness, I didn't even miss her.
Sheesh. :goodposting: So stoked my favorite show is finally back!!!
 
This season's premiere was the first time I watched the show at all......found it pretty entertaining, little slow, but had some good lines.

Really wish they didn't feel the need to include so many smokers....seems forced and distracting.

Even one of the applicants at the end felt the need to take a long drag after handing in her application....not necessary
Don't even bother watching anymore until you've gotten caught up. And the smoking is absolutely necessary.
Yeah, I don't think Wu realizes how much people smoked back then. All the time! The show is very realistic in that aspect.When I was a kid, we brought our cat to the vet. He was smoking while giving the cat a check-up and some ashes fell on my cat and he just brushed them off and continued the exam.
The doctor who delivered me in 1966 probably bummed a cigarette from my mother.I remember the early to mid 70's - it seemed like everyone smoked all the time.

 
Loved the premier, so many things bubbling beneath the surface. The perfect description was Ken saying that things were "stable," but Pete is right, stable is one step back from success moving towards failure. Things look stable on the surface for all the characters but major cracks are showing. Just like the mid60's such as when Trudy thinks everything is fine in the world and Peggy's beatnik boyfriend can see the race riots and other social turmoil of the 60's just taking root.Don - has finally gotten what it seems he wanted, he's lost in the honeymoon period with his young, sexually vibrant wife and thinking of nothing but banging her all the time. He seems to have combined his "proper" home life with his sexual appettite at work that led to him cheating on Betty all the time. Unfortunately, this means he has lost his own drive at work and the firm is suffering for it.Peggy - is doing all the creative and seeing how Heinz shot her down, she's probably not doing as good a job as she thinks she is.Pete - workaholic, misses the city, I think he's afraid that he's going to turn into his friend on the train that uses work to escape from his home life and family, in a way Pete is turning into a younger version of how we saw Don in the first season. He's the only one pulling the cart at the firm and he's overwhelmed, even Ken doesn't have the killer instinct or the drive and determination that's needed.Roger - the honeymoon period is over with his young wife and he is reduced to trying to poach or bribe new clients away from Pete.Lane - forced by his father to get back together with his wife, he pines for his bachelor days of banging chocolate bunnies. I think he has major money issues as well as evidenced by his wife constantly asking for money and about decorators, etc. He and Pete are the only 2 partners not loaded from the sale of the original Sterling Cooper. I'm also wondering what Lane does all day at the office as he seemed to admit that Joan does a lot of the work that you would think is his area. Joan - once again realizing that her "perfect life" of doctor husband and baby is not what she really wanted. She finds herself worrying that she's become marginalized and forced out at SCDP and she definitely has some mother issues who knows exactly how to get under her skin and make this proud strong woman insecure.As for the other characters, Harry has become even more of a ##### morphing from the nice guy, devoted family man (other than that one time) to the same lecherous men he saw running Sterling Cooper in the 50's. The problem is that it's now the mid-60's and times they are a changing. Bert is good for a laugh, but just as irrelevant now as he has always been. Poor Megan is realizing that her young, vibrant, sexual revolution influenced and positive outlook clashes heavily with Don and his coworkers who are older, cynical and still stuck in their "proper and prim" 50's attitudes. What a contrast Megan is to Betty, sleeps in the nude verses night clothes, gives sexy dances in front of all his friends whereas Don once had a major row with Betty for what he saw as "flirting" with Roger over dinner.As for the firm, things may be "stable" but it's obvious they are really a balancing act. Lane says their credit line is tapped, they can't afford to hire anyone else, the books are a mess, and they have major timing issues with their expenses growing and their revenues only trickling in after the fact. If they don't already, they are going to have major cashflow problems. It doesn't help that 3 of the Senior partners already made their money and at this point are useless and Pete is the only one trying to grow the business. Even once ambitious Ken is complacent and happy with "stable" and we already saw last season he wasn't willing to do whatever it takes to bring business in the door like Pete was.Probably the best thing about the premier... no Betty the whole time!!! Thank goodness, I didn't even miss her.
Awesome recap...there's a corner of my worthless blog for you if you want to do this each week.
Superior summary. And I agree, the best thing about the premier was that it was Betty-free.
 
The first 30 or 45 minutes felt very tense to me (maybe just the mood that I was in). The protests, Pete's consternation, Roger yelling at the secretary, etc.

As said above, Roger absolutely nailed it. I think that the thing that Pete still doesn't seem to value is the personal touch that Roger (or anyone else of his ilk) provide is actually extremely valuable. He may be right that there should less disparity between their statuses, but Roger can still provide value.

Should be interesting to see if Don can see Roger as a cautionary tale and straighten himself out. I kind of doubt that things will go well for him.

What is Cosgrove's position now? Funny to see how he and Pete have diverged.

Also, agree on Sally's voice and was that the same actor who played Bobby? I found her voice and him actually talking at all really distracting in the open.

 
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The first 30 or 45 minutes felt very tense to me (maybe just the mood that I was in). The protests, Pete's consternation, Roger yelling at the secretary, etc.As said above, Roger absolutely nailed it. I think that the thing that Pete still doesn't seem to value is the personal touch that Roger (or anyone else of his ilk) provide is actually extremely valuable. He may be right that there should less disparity between their statuses, but Roger can still provide value.Should be interesting to see if Don can see Roger as a cautionary tale and straighten himself out. I kind of doubt that things will go well for him.What is Cosgrove's position now? Funny to see how he and Pete have diverged.Also, agree on Sally's voice and was that the same actor who played Bobby? I found her voice and him actually talking at all really distracting in the open.
I think we're on our 9th Bobby.
 
The first 30 or 45 minutes felt very tense to me (maybe just the mood that I was in). The protests, Pete's consternation, Roger yelling at the secretary, etc.As said above, Roger absolutely nailed it. I think that the thing that Pete still doesn't seem to value is the personal touch that Roger (or anyone else of his ilk) provide is actually extremely valuable. He may be right that there should less disparity between their statuses, but Roger can still provide value.Should be interesting to see if Don can see Roger as a cautionary tale and straighten himself out. I kind of doubt that things will go well for him.What is Cosgrove's position now? Funny to see how he and Pete have diverged.Also, agree on Sally's voice and was that the same actor who played Bobby? I found her voice and him actually talking at all really distracting in the open.
Cosgrove is, as far as I know, just an account man. When he came back (sort of) to SCDP Pete took delight in letting Ken know that he was in charge (as opposed to when they were both at Sterling Cooper and Ken had been promoted over Pete just before the 'exodus').This is the fourth kid to play Bobby. Not sure what was distracting about Bobby and Sally. But between that and the smoking and the phones ringing I keep getting the idea that a lot of people are easily distracted by very small things.
 
Loved the premier, so many things bubbling beneath the surface. The perfect description was Ken saying that things were "stable," but Pete is right, stable is one step back from success moving towards failure. Things look stable on the surface for all the characters but major cracks are showing. Just like the mid60's such as when Trudy thinks everything is fine in the world and Peggy's beatnik boyfriend can see the race riots and other social turmoil of the 60's just taking root.Don - has finally gotten what it seems he wanted, he's lost in the honeymoon period with his young, sexually vibrant wife and thinking of nothing but banging her all the time. He seems to have combined his "proper" home life with his sexual appettite at work that led to him cheating on Betty all the time. Unfortunately, this means he has lost his own drive at work and the firm is suffering for it.Peggy - is doing all the creative and seeing how Heinz shot her down, she's probably not doing as good a job as she thinks she is.Pete - workaholic, misses the city, I think he's afraid that he's going to turn into his friend on the train that uses work to escape from his home life and family, in a way Pete is turning into a younger version of how we saw Don in the first season. He's the only one pulling the cart at the firm and he's overwhelmed, even Ken doesn't have the killer instinct or the drive and determination that's needed.Roger - the honeymoon period is over with his young wife and he is reduced to trying to poach or bribe new clients away from Pete.Lane - forced by his father to get back together with his wife, he pines for his bachelor days of banging chocolate bunnies. I think he has major money issues as well as evidenced by his wife constantly asking for money and about decorators, etc. He and Pete are the only 2 partners not loaded from the sale of the original Sterling Cooper. I'm also wondering what Lane does all day at the office as he seemed to admit that Joan does a lot of the work that you would think is his area. Joan - once again realizing that her "perfect life" of doctor husband and baby is not what she really wanted. She finds herself worrying that she's become marginalized and forced out at SCDP and she definitely has some mother issues who knows exactly how to get under her skin and make this proud strong woman insecure.As for the other characters, Harry has become even more of a ##### morphing from the nice guy, devoted family man (other than that one time) to the same lecherous men he saw running Sterling Cooper in the 50's. The problem is that it's now the mid-60's and times they are a changing. Bert is good for a laugh, but just as irrelevant now as he has always been. Poor Megan is realizing that her young, vibrant, sexual revolution influenced and positive outlook clashes heavily with Don and his coworkers who are older, cynical and still stuck in their "proper and prim" 50's attitudes. What a contrast Megan is to Betty, sleeps in the nude verses night clothes, gives sexy dances in front of all his friends whereas Don once had a major row with Betty for what he saw as "flirting" with Roger over dinner.As for the firm, things may be "stable" but it's obvious they are really a balancing act. Lane says their credit line is tapped, they can't afford to hire anyone else, the books are a mess, and they have major timing issues with their expenses growing and their revenues only trickling in after the fact. If they don't already, they are going to have major cashflow problems. It doesn't help that 3 of the Senior partners already made their money and at this point are useless and Pete is the only one trying to grow the business. Even once ambitious Ken is complacent and happy with "stable" and we already saw last season he wasn't willing to do whatever it takes to bring business in the door like Pete was.Probably the best thing about the premier... no Betty the whole time!!! Thank goodness, I didn't even miss her.
Awesome recap...there's a corner of my worthless blog for you if you want to do this each week.
:confused:
:confused: ?
 
Loved the premier, so many things bubbling beneath the surface. The perfect description was Ken saying that things were "stable," but Pete is right, stable is one step back from success moving towards failure. Things look stable on the surface for all the characters but major cracks are showing. Just like the mid60's such as when Trudy thinks everything is fine in the world and Peggy's beatnik boyfriend can see the race riots and other social turmoil of the 60's just taking root.Don - has finally gotten what it seems he wanted, he's lost in the honeymoon period with his young, sexually vibrant wife and thinking of nothing but banging her all the time. He seems to have combined his "proper" home life with his sexual appettite at work that led to him cheating on Betty all the time. Unfortunately, this means he has lost his own drive at work and the firm is suffering for it.Peggy - is doing all the creative and seeing how Heinz shot her down, she's probably not doing as good a job as she thinks she is.Pete - workaholic, misses the city, I think he's afraid that he's going to turn into his friend on the train that uses work to escape from his home life and family, in a way Pete is turning into a younger version of how we saw Don in the first season. He's the only one pulling the cart at the firm and he's overwhelmed, even Ken doesn't have the killer instinct or the drive and determination that's needed.Roger - the honeymoon period is over with his young wife and he is reduced to trying to poach or bribe new clients away from Pete.Lane - forced by his father to get back together with his wife, he pines for his bachelor days of banging chocolate bunnies. I think he has major money issues as well as evidenced by his wife constantly asking for money and about decorators, etc. He and Pete are the only 2 partners not loaded from the sale of the original Sterling Cooper. I'm also wondering what Lane does all day at the office as he seemed to admit that Joan does a lot of the work that you would think is his area. Joan - once again realizing that her "perfect life" of doctor husband and baby is not what she really wanted. She finds herself worrying that she's become marginalized and forced out at SCDP and she definitely has some mother issues who knows exactly how to get under her skin and make this proud strong woman insecure.As for the other characters, Harry has become even more of a ##### morphing from the nice guy, devoted family man (other than that one time) to the same lecherous men he saw running Sterling Cooper in the 50's. The problem is that it's now the mid-60's and times they are a changing. Bert is good for a laugh, but just as irrelevant now as he has always been. Poor Megan is realizing that her young, vibrant, sexual revolution influenced and positive outlook clashes heavily with Don and his coworkers who are older, cynical and still stuck in their "proper and prim" 50's attitudes. What a contrast Megan is to Betty, sleeps in the nude verses night clothes, gives sexy dances in front of all his friends whereas Don once had a major row with Betty for what he saw as "flirting" with Roger over dinner.As for the firm, things may be "stable" but it's obvious they are really a balancing act. Lane says their credit line is tapped, they can't afford to hire anyone else, the books are a mess, and they have major timing issues with their expenses growing and their revenues only trickling in after the fact. If they don't already, they are going to have major cashflow problems. It doesn't help that 3 of the Senior partners already made their money and at this point are useless and Pete is the only one trying to grow the business. Even once ambitious Ken is complacent and happy with "stable" and we already saw last season he wasn't willing to do whatever it takes to bring business in the door like Pete was.Probably the best thing about the premier... no Betty the whole time!!! Thank goodness, I didn't even miss her.
Awesome recap...there's a corner of my worthless blog for you if you want to do this each week.
:confused:
:confused: ?
Didn't realize you were in the market for a Mad Men fan to write for you blog.
 
The first 30 or 45 minutes felt very tense to me (maybe just the mood that I was in). The protests, Pete's consternation, Roger yelling at the secretary, etc.As said above, Roger absolutely nailed it. I think that the thing that Pete still doesn't seem to value is the personal touch that Roger (or anyone else of his ilk) provide is actually extremely valuable. He may be right that there should less disparity between their statuses, but Roger can still provide value.Should be interesting to see if Don can see Roger as a cautionary tale and straighten himself out. I kind of doubt that things will go well for him.What is Cosgrove's position now? Funny to see how he and Pete have diverged.Also, agree on Sally's voice and was that the same actor who played Bobby? I found her voice and him actually talking at all really distracting in the open.
Cosgrove is, as far as I know, just an account man. When he came back (sort of) to SCDP Pete took delight in letting Ken know that he was in charge (as opposed to when they were both at Sterling Cooper and Ken had been promoted over Pete just before the 'exodus').This is the fourth kid to play Bobby. Not sure what was distracting about Bobby and Sally. But between that and the smoking and the phones ringing I keep getting the idea that a lot of people are easily distracted by very small things.
The phones were nuts. Fine to have them ring to have it seems busy just bring it down a little.
 
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thanks for the comments, usually I don't write a book on every topic I like on these boards.

Loved another Roger line I didn't see mentioned when Joan brings her kid into the office:

"There's my baby!" :lmao:

 
The first 30 or 45 minutes felt very tense to me (maybe just the mood that I was in). The protests, Pete's consternation, Roger yelling at the secretary, etc.As said above, Roger absolutely nailed it. I think that the thing that Pete still doesn't seem to value is the personal touch that Roger (or anyone else of his ilk) provide is actually extremely valuable. He may be right that there should less disparity between their statuses, but Roger can still provide value.Should be interesting to see if Don can see Roger as a cautionary tale and straighten himself out. I kind of doubt that things will go well for him.What is Cosgrove's position now? Funny to see how he and Pete have diverged.Also, agree on Sally's voice and was that the same actor who played Bobby? I found her voice and him actually talking at all really distracting in the open.
Cosgrove is, as far as I know, just an account man. When he came back (sort of) to SCDP Pete took delight in letting Ken know that he was in charge (as opposed to when they were both at Sterling Cooper and Ken had been promoted over Pete just before the 'exodus').This is the fourth kid to play Bobby. Not sure what was distracting about Bobby and Sally. But between that and the smoking and the phones ringing I keep getting the idea that a lot of people are easily distracted by very small things.
Distracting is probably the wrong word and I don't mean to say that they should have done anything different per se. I guess that I just lost focus because I was trying to figure out what was up with her voice and if I had ever heard Bobby say that much.
 
The first 30 or 45 minutes felt very tense to me (maybe just the mood that I was in). The protests, Pete's consternation, Roger yelling at the secretary, etc.As said above, Roger absolutely nailed it. I think that the thing that Pete still doesn't seem to value is the personal touch that Roger (or anyone else of his ilk) provide is actually extremely valuable. He may be right that there should less disparity between their statuses, but Roger can still provide value.Should be interesting to see if Don can see Roger as a cautionary tale and straighten himself out. I kind of doubt that things will go well for him.What is Cosgrove's position now? Funny to see how he and Pete have diverged.Also, agree on Sally's voice and was that the same actor who played Bobby? I found her voice and him actually talking at all really distracting in the open.
Cosgrove is, as far as I know, just an account man. When he came back (sort of) to SCDP Pete took delight in letting Ken know that he was in charge (as opposed to when they were both at Sterling Cooper and Ken had been promoted over Pete just before the 'exodus').This is the fourth kid to play Bobby. Not sure what was distracting about Bobby and Sally. But between that and the smoking and the phones ringing I keep getting the idea that a lot of people are easily distracted by very small things.
For me, the distracting thing about Bobby was that it took me a few minutes to remember where I recognized him from.
He was on Desperate Housewives. :bag:
 
Loved the premier, so many things bubbling beneath the surface. The perfect description was Ken saying that things were "stable," but Pete is right, stable is one step back from success moving towards failure. Things look stable on the surface for all the characters but major cracks are showing. Just like the mid60's such as when Trudy thinks everything is fine in the world and Peggy's beatnik boyfriend can see the race riots and other social turmoil of the 60's just taking root.Don - has finally gotten what it seems he wanted, he's lost in the honeymoon period with his young, sexually vibrant wife and thinking of nothing but banging her all the time. He seems to have combined his "proper" home life with his sexual appettite at work that led to him cheating on Betty all the time. Unfortunately, this means he has lost his own drive at work and the firm is suffering for it.Peggy - is doing all the creative and seeing how Heinz shot her down, she's probably not doing as good a job as she thinks she is.Pete - workaholic, misses the city, I think he's afraid that he's going to turn into his friend on the train that uses work to escape from his home life and family, in a way Pete is turning into a younger version of how we saw Don in the first season. He's the only one pulling the cart at the firm and he's overwhelmed, even Ken doesn't have the killer instinct or the drive and determination that's needed.Roger - the honeymoon period is over with his young wife and he is reduced to trying to poach or bribe new clients away from Pete.Lane - forced by his father to get back together with his wife, he pines for his bachelor days of banging chocolate bunnies. I think he has major money issues as well as evidenced by his wife constantly asking for money and about decorators, etc. He and Pete are the only 2 partners not loaded from the sale of the original Sterling Cooper. I'm also wondering what Lane does all day at the office as he seemed to admit that Joan does a lot of the work that you would think is his area. Joan - once again realizing that her "perfect life" of doctor husband and baby is not what she really wanted. She finds herself worrying that she's become marginalized and forced out at SCDP and she definitely has some mother issues who knows exactly how to get under her skin and make this proud strong woman insecure.As for the other characters, Harry has become even more of a ##### morphing from the nice guy, devoted family man (other than that one time) to the same lecherous men he saw running Sterling Cooper in the 50's. The problem is that it's now the mid-60's and times they are a changing. Bert is good for a laugh, but just as irrelevant now as he has always been. Poor Megan is realizing that her young, vibrant, sexual revolution influenced and positive outlook clashes heavily with Don and his coworkers who are older, cynical and still stuck in their "proper and prim" 50's attitudes. What a contrast Megan is to Betty, sleeps in the nude verses night clothes, gives sexy dances in front of all his friends whereas Don once had a major row with Betty for what he saw as "flirting" with Roger over dinner.As for the firm, things may be "stable" but it's obvious they are really a balancing act. Lane says their credit line is tapped, they can't afford to hire anyone else, the books are a mess, and they have major timing issues with their expenses growing and their revenues only trickling in after the fact. If they don't already, they are going to have major cashflow problems. It doesn't help that 3 of the Senior partners already made their money and at this point are useless and Pete is the only one trying to grow the business. Even once ambitious Ken is complacent and happy with "stable" and we already saw last season he wasn't willing to do whatever it takes to bring business in the door like Pete was.Probably the best thing about the premier... no Betty the whole time!!! Thank goodness, I didn't even miss her.
Awesome recap...there's a corner of my worthless blog for you if you want to do this each week.
:confused:
:confused: ?
Didn't realize you were in the market for a Mad Men fan to write for you blog.
Do you want to apply?
 
Loved the premier, so many things bubbling beneath the surface. The perfect description was Ken saying that things were "stable," but Pete is right, stable is one step back from success moving towards failure. Things look stable on the surface for all the characters but major cracks are showing. Just like the mid60's such as when Trudy thinks everything is fine in the world and Peggy's beatnik boyfriend can see the race riots and other social turmoil of the 60's just taking root.Don - has finally gotten what it seems he wanted, he's lost in the honeymoon period with his young, sexually vibrant wife and thinking of nothing but banging her all the time. He seems to have combined his "proper" home life with his sexual appettite at work that led to him cheating on Betty all the time. Unfortunately, this means he has lost his own drive at work and the firm is suffering for it.Peggy - is doing all the creative and seeing how Heinz shot her down, she's probably not doing as good a job as she thinks she is.Pete - workaholic, misses the city, I think he's afraid that he's going to turn into his friend on the train that uses work to escape from his home life and family, in a way Pete is turning into a younger version of how we saw Don in the first season. He's the only one pulling the cart at the firm and he's overwhelmed, even Ken doesn't have the killer instinct or the drive and determination that's needed.Roger - the honeymoon period is over with his young wife and he is reduced to trying to poach or bribe new clients away from Pete.Lane - forced by his father to get back together with his wife, he pines for his bachelor days of banging chocolate bunnies. I think he has major money issues as well as evidenced by his wife constantly asking for money and about decorators, etc. He and Pete are the only 2 partners not loaded from the sale of the original Sterling Cooper. I'm also wondering what Lane does all day at the office as he seemed to admit that Joan does a lot of the work that you would think is his area. Joan - once again realizing that her "perfect life" of doctor husband and baby is not what she really wanted. She finds herself worrying that she's become marginalized and forced out at SCDP and she definitely has some mother issues who knows exactly how to get under her skin and make this proud strong woman insecure.As for the other characters, Harry has become even more of a ##### morphing from the nice guy, devoted family man (other than that one time) to the same lecherous men he saw running Sterling Cooper in the 50's. The problem is that it's now the mid-60's and times they are a changing. Bert is good for a laugh, but just as irrelevant now as he has always been. Poor Megan is realizing that her young, vibrant, sexual revolution influenced and positive outlook clashes heavily with Don and his coworkers who are older, cynical and still stuck in their "proper and prim" 50's attitudes. What a contrast Megan is to Betty, sleeps in the nude verses night clothes, gives sexy dances in front of all his friends whereas Don once had a major row with Betty for what he saw as "flirting" with Roger over dinner.As for the firm, things may be "stable" but it's obvious they are really a balancing act. Lane says their credit line is tapped, they can't afford to hire anyone else, the books are a mess, and they have major timing issues with their expenses growing and their revenues only trickling in after the fact. If they don't already, they are going to have major cashflow problems. It doesn't help that 3 of the Senior partners already made their money and at this point are useless and Pete is the only one trying to grow the business. Even once ambitious Ken is complacent and happy with "stable" and we already saw last season he wasn't willing to do whatever it takes to bring business in the door like Pete was.Probably the best thing about the premier... no Betty the whole time!!! Thank goodness, I didn't even miss her.
Awesome recap...there's a corner of my worthless blog for you if you want to do this each week.
:confused:
:confused: ?
Didn't realize you were in the market for a Mad Men fan to write for you blog.
Do you want to apply?
What does it pay?
 
I'm a huge fan of this show, but they needed two hours for that?
You know they have to reestablish stuff at the beginning of every season. I'll agree that it wasn't "great" but for a season premier it was very good. Of course after umpteen months of waiting they could have had the cast do "You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown" for 2 hours and I would have been happy.
 
I'm a huge fan of this show, but they needed two hours for that?
You know they have to reestablish stuff at the beginning of every season. I'll agree that it wasn't "great" but for a season premier it was very good. Of course after umpteen months of waiting they could have had the cast do "You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown" for 2 hours and I would have been happy.
I totally hear you. While I've always loved this show, I think it's inconsistent. I don't think this is a sign of bad things, I just think the show has episodes that just aren't as interesting as their best work.
 
I'm a huge fan of this show, but they needed two hours for that?
You know they have to reestablish stuff at the beginning of every season. I'll agree that it wasn't "great" but for a season premier it was very good. Of course after umpteen months of waiting they could have had the cast do "You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown" for 2 hours and I would have been happy.
I totally hear you. While I've always loved this show, I think it's inconsistent. I don't think this is a sign of bad things, I just think the show has episodes that just aren't as interesting as their best work.
Yeah, I hate it when that happens. :confused: :confused:

 
I'm a huge fan of this show, but they needed two hours for that?
You know they have to reestablish stuff at the beginning of every season. I'll agree that it wasn't "great" but for a season premier it was very good. Of course after umpteen months of waiting they could have had the cast do "You're a Good Man, Charlie Brown" for 2 hours and I would have been happy.
I totally hear you. While I've always loved this show, I think it's inconsistent. I don't think this is a sign of bad things, I just think the show has episodes that just aren't as interesting as their best work.
Yeah, I hate it when that happens. :confused: :confused:
:lmao:
 

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