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Please See Mine
Footballguy
So Peggy = Don, except that she's not as good, and she's a woman, and also she gives handjobs to strangers in the movie theater.
Agree that Roger was interesting in this episode. You wouldn't think that you would say to some sixty-year-old guy, oh yeah, we're doing LSD, and he just rolls with it. I hate Roger for his spoiled attitude, but I suppose it also comes with a "seen-it-all" mindset and let's just see what happens and enjoy life.
And when Roger said "I've tried your [drug?], Dr. Leary and I'm unimpressed", was he saying that rhetorically or was that literally supposed to be Timothy Leary?
Agree that Roger was interesting in this episode. You wouldn't think that you would say to some sixty-year-old guy, oh yeah, we're doing LSD, and he just rolls with it. I hate Roger for his spoiled attitude, but I suppose it also comes with a "seen-it-all" mindset and let's just see what happens and enjoy life.
And when Roger said "I've tried your [drug?], Dr. Leary and I'm unimpressed", was he saying that rhetorically or was that literally supposed to be Timothy Leary?
Wrighteous Ray
Footballguy
Rhetorically.
Rove!
Footballguy
Wat?
Marvin
Footballguy
Careful. I know a guy who got reported for fishing.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
A list of the show's current crimes:
• Don doesn't care about work FAIL
• We see Peggy pitching ads instead of Don FAIL
• Don's in a committed, monogamous relationship FAIL
• Roger Sterling has been emasculated FAIL
• The show is a string of mostly dull, pointless non-sequiturs FAIL
• The show is rudderless FAIL
• Don doesn't care about work FAIL
• We see Peggy pitching ads instead of Don FAIL
• Don's in a committed, monogamous relationship FAIL
• Roger Sterling has been emasculated FAIL
• The show is a string of mostly dull, pointless non-sequiturs FAIL
• The show is rudderless FAIL
Apple Jack
Footballguy
This post?
Rove!
Footballguy
I disagree. Don is on a really dark place right now with meghan...Roger is still Roger. What he did Sunday took stones...Bert just gave Don the kick in the pants he needed.The show has more rudder than ever. Don being the same guys he was 4 seasons ago would be rudderless.
You must be fishing.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Because we don't agree means I am fishing? No. This season is mostly a failure so far.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
This reads like complaining when people weren't getting whacked on the Sopranos.
Marvin
Footballguy
Apple Jack
Footballguy
jdoggydog likes his status quo.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
If you're saying that I want everything to be the same that it was on this show two years ago, that's not so. I love change, these changes are dull.
Rove!
Footballguy
Fishing beacause ususally your opinions align with mine. I'm surprised that you are leveling these specific criticisms, and I think the show is firing on all cylinders. Past the style and fascination with the hedonistic lifestyles, this show has been about the characters and their journey. Don's journey is interesting bacsue he's always been in control before. Betty was a stepford wife. A throwback to a different time. Now that he has to be a partner and not a commander, he really doesn't know how to handle it. As good as he was a philanderer, he doesn't really have those "relationship" skills of actually fully sharing with somebody.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
If we agreed on everything that'd be dull
Look, is Mad Men still better than most TV shows? Certainly. But that doesn't say much. Most TV shows are garbage. I expect more out of the show I would have called one of the best ever just a year ago. There are some really good moments so far this season: Pete's self-destruction, Roger still has some great one-liners, etc. But Don fixes Pete's plumbing? Joan's at home with a baby? Roger is a lame duck?If the show meandered like this for one or two episodes, I'd understand. This is four (four, right?) episodes in, and we have don't have much in the way of exciting storylines. I think the show could...could correct itself. I just fear it won't.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Apple Juice
Footballguy
I don't think you're fishing, but don't act surprised when people accuse you of it. Your initial complaints were vague, and when you clarified them, it was to say you don't like how the characters are changing. If you find the show boring, that's your personal take, but to say the show has jumped the shark implies wildly unrealistic events taking place, or cheap attempts at keeping the show fresh. That is not at all what is happening. It's almost like you're saying the show is being realistic to a fault. Do you expect Don and Roger and Peggy and Joan to remain exactly as they were a season or a few seasons ago? This show isn't afraid of biding its time to achieve extraordinary payoffs. And that almost implies that I think it's boring too, which I don't. The methods and expert technique used to examine these people is more than enough to make this show a masterpiece--at the same time, I think the writing and areas in life these characters are traversing is as fascinating as ever.If we agreed on everything that'd be dull
If the show meandered like this for one or two episodes, I'd understand. This is four (four, right?) episodes in, and we have don't have much in the way of exciting storylines. I think the show could...could correct itself. I just fear it won't.
identikit
Footballguy
6 episodes thus far.If we agreed on everything that'd be dull
If the show meandered like this for one or two episodes, I'd understand. This is four (four, right?) episodes in, and we have don't have much in the way of exciting storylines. I think the show could...could correct itself. I just fear it won't.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
I'd define Jumping the Shark using the Wikipedia entry:I don't think you're fishing, but don't act surprised when people accuse you of it. Your initial complaints were vague, and when you clarified them, it was to say you don't like how the characters are changing. If you find the show boring, that's your personal take, but to say the show has jumped the shark implies wildly unrealistic events taking place, or cheap attempts at keeping the show fresh. That is not at all what is happening. It's almost like you're saying the show is being realistic to a fault. Do you expect Don and Roger and Peggy and Joan to remain exactly as they were a season or a few seasons ago? This show isn't afraid of biding its time to achieve extraordinary payoffs. And that almost implies that I think it's boring too, which I don't. The methods and expert technique used to examine these people is more than enough to make this show a masterpiece--at the same time, I think the writing and areas in life these characters are traversing is as fascinating as ever.If we agreed on everything that'd be dull
If the show meandered like this for one or two episodes, I'd understand. This is four (four, right?) episodes in, and we have don't have much in the way of exciting storylines. I think the show could...could correct itself. I just fear it won't.
I don't think the show is bad, but I would not be surprised if it has peak and we are beginning to see the decline.
jamny
Footballguy
It would be jumping the shark if it turns out Ginsberg is actually from Mars.I'd define Jumping the Shark using the Wikipedia entry:I don't think you're fishing, but don't act surprised when people accuse you of it. Your initial complaints were vague, and when you clarified them, it was to say you don't like how the characters are changing. If you find the show boring, that's your personal take, but to say the show has jumped the shark implies wildly unrealistic events taking place, or cheap attempts at keeping the show fresh. That is not at all what is happening. It's almost like you're saying the show is being realistic to a fault. Do you expect Don and Roger and Peggy and Joan to remain exactly as they were a season or a few seasons ago? This show isn't afraid of biding its time to achieve extraordinary payoffs. And that almost implies that I think it's boring too, which I don't. The methods and expert technique used to examine these people is more than enough to make this show a masterpiece--at the same time, I think the writing and areas in life these characters are traversing is as fascinating as ever.If we agreed on everything that'd be dull
If the show meandered like this for one or two episodes, I'd understand. This is four (four, right?) episodes in, and we have don't have much in the way of exciting storylines. I think the show could...could correct itself. I just fear it won't.I don't think the show is bad, but I would not be surprised if it has peak and we are beginning to see the decline.
Marvin
Footballguy
It would be jumping the shark if it turns out Ginsberg is actually from Mars.I'd define Jumping the Shark using the Wikipedia entry:I don't think you're fishing, but don't act surprised when people accuse you of it. Your initial complaints were vague, and when you clarified them, it was to say you don't like how the characters are changing. If you find the show boring, that's your personal take, but to say the show has jumped the shark implies wildly unrealistic events taking place, or cheap attempts at keeping the show fresh. That is not at all what is happening. It's almost like you're saying the show is being realistic to a fault. Do you expect Don and Roger and Peggy and Joan to remain exactly as they were a season or a few seasons ago? This show isn't afraid of biding its time to achieve extraordinary payoffs. And that almost implies that I think it's boring too, which I don't. The methods and expert technique used to examine these people is more than enough to make this show a masterpiece--at the same time, I think the writing and areas in life these characters are traversing is as fascinating as ever.If we agreed on everything that'd be dull
If the show meandered like this for one or two episodes, I'd understand. This is four (four, right?) episodes in, and we have don't have much in the way of exciting storylines. I think the show could...could correct itself. I just fear it won't.I don't think the show is bad, but I would not be surprised if it has peak and we are beginning to see the decline.
Exactly.Apple Jack
Footballguy
Nobody's been run over by a lawn tractor in the office since like season two!
Rove!
Footballguy
I think it's better than it ever has been....Don fixing Pete's plumbing is really symbolic of Pete's humiliation that he will never be at Don's level as a man. His talents and abilities are limited and it is disconerting when one discovers those things about oneself. Roger is dealing with old age and his limitations, the lack of things acheived on his own. Joan has made some choices and is now having to deal with the consequences of those choices. These are deep-seated things.I'd define Jumping the Shark using the Wikipedia entry:I don't think you're fishing, but don't act surprised when people accuse you of it. Your initial complaints were vague, and when you clarified them, it was to say you don't like how the characters are changing. If you find the show boring, that's your personal take, but to say the show has jumped the shark implies wildly unrealistic events taking place, or cheap attempts at keeping the show fresh. That is not at all what is happening. It's almost like you're saying the show is being realistic to a fault. Do you expect Don and Roger and Peggy and Joan to remain exactly as they were a season or a few seasons ago? This show isn't afraid of biding its time to achieve extraordinary payoffs. And that almost implies that I think it's boring too, which I don't. The methods and expert technique used to examine these people is more than enough to make this show a masterpiece--at the same time, I think the writing and areas in life these characters are traversing is as fascinating as ever.If we agreed on everything that'd be dull
If the show meandered like this for one or two episodes, I'd understand. This is four (four, right?) episodes in, and we have don't have much in the way of exciting storylines. I think the show could...could correct itself. I just fear it won't.I don't think the show is bad, but I would not be surprised if it has peak and we are beginning to see the decline.
If anything, the show has gotten darker.
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Apple Jack
Footballguy
And meets Ken Kesey for the first time at the Muir Beach Acid Test. During this night he decides that clothes are a superficial construct and have no value to him as a primal being any longer and decides to move to Mexico and sell cashews. Naked.
Marvin
Footballguy
I agree with all of this.Don not caring about work 1-2 years after their big move is ridiculous and takes away one of the best apects of the show. Roger being emasculated to the point where Peggy can shake him down is reaching as well.
Meghan? Was I the only one hoping Don was about to crash the car on the way to HJ's or that she was a goner after he left her stranded? She's just not an interesting counterpart to Don.
Still love the show but looking forward to having Don and Roger back to a resemblance of what attracted everyone to their characters.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Now that I've ripped the show, I'll defend it. I think it's possible it'll morph into something more interesting. But if you stop and just look at what's happened this season, the show has removed practically everything that's good about it. I don't mind change, and I hate when shows stagnate. But must we abandon everything good about these characters?I've used this season's model as a template, and here's how other shows are reshaping themselves in this universe:
The Sopranos
Tony gives up crime to pet kitties at the local animals shelter.
Seinfeld
The gang experiences a simultaneous epiphany wherein they see how selfish and vapid they've been and they give up their earthly possessions to join a Buddhist temple.
Star Trek
Captain Kirk realizes that women aren't sex objects and orders all crew members to undergo sexual harassment training.
Apple Juice
Footballguy
Honest question: Do you feel these examples accurately represent the magnitude of change the characters have undergone? If so, then you will have to content yourself with being in the minority opinion. If you were using exaggerated examples to try and express your frustration with how the characters have deviated from what you're comfortable with, I'll go back to what I said before which is that it's your personal outlook on what the characters should be doing that has decreased your enjoyment and not the fault of the writers. Just because characters do what you don't want them to doesn't mean the show is declining overall.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
I'm always content with being in the minority opinion.
More often than not it means you're probably right. Just not this time.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Right or wrong is subjective in this case.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
That's about as good a reason to judge a show as the attractiveness of its lead characters.
stubby
Footballguy
This isn't addressed to anyone in particular, but I've been waiting for the "the writing isn't good" or "this season is awful" or "I wish they had more of _______ and less _______" or "I don't think so-and-so would say/act this way." It has happened in these forums with the Sopranos, the Wire, The Killing, The Walking Dead, LOST..etc (I'm sure I've probably missed some)....and now Mad Men, even though it's by far one of the top 3 or 4 shows on TV.
It's not about agreeing or disagreeing with each other, as you'll never please everyone, and healthy debate is a good thing, but I just don't understand the vitriol spewed forth by the detractors in each of the other show threads. If you don't like it that much, then don't watch it, and certainly don't come in and try to bully others into agreeing with you. It's like you're in grade school again. I haven't seen that level yet in this thread, but you never know what will trigger some people.
It's not about agreeing or disagreeing with each other, as you'll never please everyone, and healthy debate is a good thing, but I just don't understand the vitriol spewed forth by the detractors in each of the other show threads. If you don't like it that much, then don't watch it, and certainly don't come in and try to bully others into agreeing with you. It's like you're in grade school again. I haven't seen that level yet in this thread, but you never know what will trigger some people.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
#1 and #3 go towards Don trying to find a sense of stability and normalcy in his life. Part of that is not wanting to have an unhinged life partner, and in the result it's clearly dulled his "edge" at work, which Cooper addressed. But that's typically what ####ed up people who become aware that they're ####ed up do. Strive for normalcy. This is part of his "arc."#2 is a result of Peggy gaining more responsibility within the company. That's something that women actually did in the 60's, but of course it didn't always go perfectly or even well.
#4 is something that often happens to men. It's certainly not enviable, but we all have a friend who's been emasculated in his or her relationship. The last episode put a pretty tidy bow on his marriage with Jane, I think. Maybe we're headed towards a Roger/Jane relationship (he gets to be a dad again!), maybe not. Knowing what we know about Weiner, I'd say it could break either way.
Ironically, one of the main themes of this season is about time, and how it speeds up, and how people struggle to keep up and adapt as things change. You, in regards to this show, don't seem to be changing much. It's changing, you don't want it to change. And that's fine. I'm glad that Weiner's ambitious enough to not want to serve comfort food and is willing to shake up the status quo. Lots of people are. And some shows I've watched and haven't liked as much when the status quo got shaken up (Weeds, for example, lost me when they moved out of Agrestic).
All of the old episodes are there on Netflix.
Marvin
Footballguy
There are plenty of shows that deserve criticism and vitriol. I don't believe Mad Men is anywhere close to that. But If anybody wants to bring that in here more power to them. It's a good way to separate the wheat from the chaff.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
I understand the plot developments and their ramifications, I'm just not that interested in them.#1 and #3 go towards Don trying to find a sense of stability and normalcy in his life. Part of that is not wanting to have an unhinged life partner, and in the result it's clearly dulled his "edge" at work, which Cooper addressed. But that's typically what ####ed up people who become aware that they're ####ed up do. Strive for normalcy. This is part of his "arc."#2 is a result of Peggy gaining more responsibility within the company. That's something that women actually did in the 60's, but of course it didn't always go perfectly or even well.
#4 is something that often happens to men. It's certainly not enviable, but we all have a friend who's been emasculated in his or her relationship. The last episode put a pretty tidy bow on his marriage with Jane, I think. Maybe we're headed towards a Roger/Jane relationship (he gets to be a dad again!), maybe not. Knowing what we know about Weiner, I'd say it could break either way.
Ironically, one of the main themes of this season is about time, and how it speeds up, and how people struggle to keep up and adapt as things change. You, in regards to this show, don't seem to be changing much. It's changing, you don't want it to change. And that's fine. I'm glad that Weiner's ambitious enough to not want to serve comfort food and is willing to shake up the status quo. Lots of people are. And some shows I've watched and haven't liked as much when the status quo got shaken up (Weeds, for example, lost me when they moved out of Agrestic).
All of the old episodes are there on Netflix.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Would I be wheatier if I agreed with you? So noted.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Entourage is in syndication now I think.I understand the plot developments and their ramifications, I'm just not that interested in them.#1 and #3 go towards Don trying to find a sense of stability and normalcy in his life. Part of that is not wanting to have an unhinged life partner, and in the result it's clearly dulled his "edge" at work, which Cooper addressed. But that's typically what ####ed up people who become aware that they're ####ed up do. Strive for normalcy. This is part of his "arc."#2 is a result of Peggy gaining more responsibility within the company. That's something that women actually did in the 60's, but of course it didn't always go perfectly or even well.
#4 is something that often happens to men. It's certainly not enviable, but we all have a friend who's been emasculated in his or her relationship. The last episode put a pretty tidy bow on his marriage with Jane, I think. Maybe we're headed towards a Roger/Jane relationship (he gets to be a dad again!), maybe not. Knowing what we know about Weiner, I'd say it could break either way.
Ironically, one of the main themes of this season is about time, and how it speeds up, and how people struggle to keep up and adapt as things change. You, in regards to this show, don't seem to be changing much. It's changing, you don't want it to change. And that's fine. I'm glad that Weiner's ambitious enough to not want to serve comfort food and is willing to shake up the status quo. Lots of people are. And some shows I've watched and haven't liked as much when the status quo got shaken up (Weeds, for example, lost me when they moved out of Agrestic).
All of the old episodes are there on Netflix.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
You had to go there? That's a tired insult.I've been beating the drum for this show for years. I loved Tree of Life, but I don't question the intelligence of the people that didn't like it.Entourage is in syndication now I think.I understand the plot developments and their ramifications, I'm just not that interested in them.#1 and #3 go towards Don trying to find a sense of stability and normalcy in his life. Part of that is not wanting to have an unhinged life partner, and in the result it's clearly dulled his "edge" at work, which Cooper addressed. But that's typically what ####ed up people who become aware that they're ####ed up do. Strive for normalcy. This is part of his "arc."#2 is a result of Peggy gaining more responsibility within the company. That's something that women actually did in the 60's, but of course it didn't always go perfectly or even well.
#4 is something that often happens to men. It's certainly not enviable, but we all have a friend who's been emasculated in his or her relationship. The last episode put a pretty tidy bow on his marriage with Jane, I think. Maybe we're headed towards a Roger/Jane relationship (he gets to be a dad again!), maybe not. Knowing what we know about Weiner, I'd say it could break either way.
Ironically, one of the main themes of this season is about time, and how it speeds up, and how people struggle to keep up and adapt as things change. You, in regards to this show, don't seem to be changing much. It's changing, you don't want it to change. And that's fine. I'm glad that Weiner's ambitious enough to not want to serve comfort food and is willing to shake up the status quo. Lots of people are. And some shows I've watched and haven't liked as much when the status quo got shaken up (Weeds, for example, lost me when they moved out of Agrestic).
All of the old episodes are there on Netflix.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Plenty of smart people watch Entourage.You had to go there? That's a tired insult.I've been beating the drum for this show for years. I loved Tree of Life, but I don't question the intelligence of the people that didn't like it.Entourage is in syndication now I think.I understand the plot developments and their ramifications, I'm just not that interested in them.#1 and #3 go towards Don trying to find a sense of stability and normalcy in his life. Part of that is not wanting to have an unhinged life partner, and in the result it's clearly dulled his "edge" at work, which Cooper addressed. But that's typically what ####ed up people who become aware that they're ####ed up do. Strive for normalcy. This is part of his "arc."#2 is a result of Peggy gaining more responsibility within the company. That's something that women actually did in the 60's, but of course it didn't always go perfectly or even well.
#4 is something that often happens to men. It's certainly not enviable, but we all have a friend who's been emasculated in his or her relationship. The last episode put a pretty tidy bow on his marriage with Jane, I think. Maybe we're headed towards a Roger/Jane relationship (he gets to be a dad again!), maybe not. Knowing what we know about Weiner, I'd say it could break either way.
Ironically, one of the main themes of this season is about time, and how it speeds up, and how people struggle to keep up and adapt as things change. You, in regards to this show, don't seem to be changing much. It's changing, you don't want it to change. And that's fine. I'm glad that Weiner's ambitious enough to not want to serve comfort food and is willing to shake up the status quo. Lots of people are. And some shows I've watched and haven't liked as much when the status quo got shaken up (Weeds, for example, lost me when they moved out of Agrestic).
All of the old episodes are there on Netflix.
Marvin
Footballguy
Very much so.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
That may be true. Although, having watched the entire Entourage catalog, I feel dumber as a result.Plenty of smart people watch Entourage.You had to go there? That's a tired insult.I've been beating the drum for this show for years. I loved Tree of Life, but I don't question the intelligence of the people that didn't like it.Entourage is in syndication now I think.I understand the plot developments and their ramifications, I'm just not that interested in them.#1 and #3 go towards Don trying to find a sense of stability and normalcy in his life. Part of that is not wanting to have an unhinged life partner, and in the result it's clearly dulled his "edge" at work, which Cooper addressed. But that's typically what ####ed up people who become aware that they're ####ed up do. Strive for normalcy. This is part of his "arc."#2 is a result of Peggy gaining more responsibility within the company. That's something that women actually did in the 60's, but of course it didn't always go perfectly or even well.
#4 is something that often happens to men. It's certainly not enviable, but we all have a friend who's been emasculated in his or her relationship. The last episode put a pretty tidy bow on his marriage with Jane, I think. Maybe we're headed towards a Roger/Jane relationship (he gets to be a dad again!), maybe not. Knowing what we know about Weiner, I'd say it could break either way.
Ironically, one of the main themes of this season is about time, and how it speeds up, and how people struggle to keep up and adapt as things change. You, in regards to this show, don't seem to be changing much. It's changing, you don't want it to change. And that's fine. I'm glad that Weiner's ambitious enough to not want to serve comfort food and is willing to shake up the status quo. Lots of people are. And some shows I've watched and haven't liked as much when the status quo got shaken up (Weeds, for example, lost me when they moved out of Agrestic).
All of the old episodes are there on Netflix.
Would like a bit of comfort food when you are getting only 13 episodes a year. Having five straight episodes of Tony Soprano centered on his wife and kids wouldn't fly. Don needs to get back to business. The insights into his character as he pontificates about ad campaigns is the show at it's best IMO.Thought they built so much momentum when they started their own agency. Was looking forward to Don finally having the reigns. Been dissappointed so far.#1 and #3 go towards Don trying to find a sense of stability and normalcy in his life. Part of that is not wanting to have an unhinged life partner, and in the result it's clearly dulled his "edge" at work, which Cooper addressed. But that's typically what ####ed up people who become aware that they're ####ed up do. Strive for normalcy. This is part of his "arc."#2 is a result of Peggy gaining more responsibility within the company. That's something that women actually did in the 60's, but of course it didn't always go perfectly or even well.
#4 is something that often happens to men. It's certainly not enviable, but we all have a friend who's been emasculated in his or her relationship. The last episode put a pretty tidy bow on his marriage with Jane, I think. Maybe we're headed towards a Roger/Jane relationship (he gets to be a dad again!), maybe not. Knowing what we know about Weiner, I'd say it could break either way.
Ironically, one of the main themes of this season is about time, and how it speeds up, and how people struggle to keep up and adapt as things change. You, in regards to this show, don't seem to be changing much. It's changing, you don't want it to change. And that's fine. I'm glad that Weiner's ambitious enough to not want to serve comfort food and is willing to shake up the status quo. Lots of people are. And some shows I've watched and haven't liked as much when the status quo got shaken up (Weeds, for example, lost me when they moved out of Agrestic).
All of the old episodes are there on Netflix.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Would like a bit of comfort food when you are getting only 13 episodes a year. Having five straight episodes of Tony Soprano centered on his wife and kids wouldn't fly. Don needs to get back to business. The insights into his character as he pontificates about ad campaigns is the show at it's best IMO.Thought they built so much momentum when they started their own agency. Was looking forward to Don finally having the reigns. Been dissappointed so far.#1 and #3 go towards Don trying to find a sense of stability and normalcy in his life. Part of that is not wanting to have an unhinged life partner, and in the result it's clearly dulled his "edge" at work, which Cooper addressed. But that's typically what ####ed up people who become aware that they're ####ed up do. Strive for normalcy. This is part of his "arc."#2 is a result of Peggy gaining more responsibility within the company. That's something that women actually did in the 60's, but of course it didn't always go perfectly or even well.
#4 is something that often happens to men. It's certainly not enviable, but we all have a friend who's been emasculated in his or her relationship. The last episode put a pretty tidy bow on his marriage with Jane, I think. Maybe we're headed towards a Roger/Jane relationship (he gets to be a dad again!), maybe not. Knowing what we know about Weiner, I'd say it could break either way.
Ironically, one of the main themes of this season is about time, and how it speeds up, and how people struggle to keep up and adapt as things change. You, in regards to this show, don't seem to be changing much. It's changing, you don't want it to change. And that's fine. I'm glad that Weiner's ambitious enough to not want to serve comfort food and is willing to shake up the status quo. Lots of people are. And some shows I've watched and haven't liked as much when the status quo got shaken up (Weeds, for example, lost me when they moved out of Agrestic).
All of the old episodes are there on Netflix.
Please See Mine
Footballguy
I can appreciate the notion that Don is less interesting to some viewers. He's not "doing" as much on screen. But he is clearly still seriously tormented. He had a dream where he viciously strangled a woman. I thought there was a good chance that he was going to hit Megan when chasing her around the apartment. Part of him longs for a stable, serene life, but I don't think that he's going to get there, at least not right now and not in the way that he is going about it. The marriage to Megan was impulsive and it seemed like he had achieved some sort of epiphany. However, the end of season 4 showed him staring out the window and that seemed a portent of his discontent. He still hasn't gotten to the bottom of who he is and how (if?) he can ever be happy. While on the surface, he may be more boring this season, there is still definitely turbulence underneath.
I said that the first episode of the season felt like it had a lot of tension to me. I still feel that tension in a lot of the episodes, even if it is subtle. It is a perfect tone for and reflection of the times. Has a little bit of the feeling of "The Ice Storm" to me. Maybe even "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?" I suppose it's not necessarily Mad Men's style to have this lead to an actual blow-up on-screen, but I feel like something is coming. Something big. (Aside from Ginsberg calling his Martian brethren to Earth for a War of the Worlds, of course.)
I said that the first episode of the season felt like it had a lot of tension to me. I still feel that tension in a lot of the episodes, even if it is subtle. It is a perfect tone for and reflection of the times. Has a little bit of the feeling of "The Ice Storm" to me. Maybe even "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?" I suppose it's not necessarily Mad Men's style to have this lead to an actual blow-up on-screen, but I feel like something is coming. Something big. (Aside from Ginsberg calling his Martian brethren to Earth for a War of the Worlds, of course.)
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Footballguy
I can buy the Ice Storm comparison. The subtle sense of dread.
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Devil's Advocate
Glenn is, like, 40 now.
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Devil's Advocate
Pretty sure Joan just dropped an "it is what it is" four decades before its time.
