Mad Men on AMC (1 Viewer)

[Christo]

Okay so on the popularity of this thread and the recommendations of friends and family my fiancée and I have started watching mad men. We are five episodes into the first season. At the risk of sounding like a pariah here, we are both wondering when exactly do things start to happen? Seems like pure character development so far resulting in not many endearing characters. I think we are both willing to continue watching but can I get some assurance things start to happen?

Just keep watching. I'd told my mother to watch it for years but she never did. She finally put it in her Netflix queue a month or so ago and was hooked by the middle of the first season and watched every episode they had.

 

[Apple Juice]

Okay so on the popularity of this thread and the recommendations of friends and family my fiancée and I have started watching mad men. We are five episodes into the first season. At the risk of sounding like a pariah here, we are both wondering when exactly do things start to happen? Seems like pure character development so far resulting in not many endearing characters. I think we are both willing to continue watching but can I get some assurance things start to happen?

Well, there are no "things" that happen.This show has two aspects: it's a show about characters, and it's a show about a certain time period. It's a slow, deep show, with characters that act fairly normally (I don't recall once thinking "no way do people really act like that".) There are no huge "gotchas" or anything like that. If you are looking for heavy drama in a "how in the heck does this work itself out next episode" vein, you'll be disappointed.

This isn't a typical show. I consider it the television version of literature. Not dry, boring literature, because the characters and visuals are entirely captivating, but very grounded in reality, heavily focused on the characters and themes revolving around the human condition, and not interested in ordinary television drama techniques for manipulating the audience.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Two words, Woz:

Hawaiian. Tropics.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Why is it so hard to believe that the character has simply been written into a new life away from SCDP because it made sense for the character? It's as if some people are in denial.

Of course I'm in denial. I don't want to see her go.

 

[identikit]

Okay so on the popularity of this thread and the recommendations of friends and family my fiancée and I have started watching mad men. We are five episodes into the first season. At the risk of sounding like a pariah here, we are both wondering when exactly do things start to happen? Seems like pure character development so far resulting in not many endearing characters. I think we are both willing to continue watching but can I get some assurance things start to happen?

You're out of your element, Donny.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Have you checked out Phineas and Ferb?

 

[jdoggydogg]

Have you checked out Phineas and Ferb?

Boilerplate.

 

[Premier]

Woz, the show sucks, don't watch it and don't post in here ever again.

 

[Marvin]

Okay so on the popularity of this thread and the recommendations of friends and family my fiancée and I have started watching mad men...

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!

 

[Christo]

Woz, the show sucks, don't watch it and don't post in here ever again.

Yeah, there's a 63 page thread on a television program where some posters are saying that it's one of the best shows of all time. Maybe I should ask whether I should keep watching.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Woz, the show sucks, don't watch it and don't post in here ever again.

Yeah, there's a 63 page thread on a television program where some posters are saying that it's one of the best shows of all time. Maybe I should ask whether I should keep watching.

I was hooked after one episode

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Some people drink, there's a terse conversation, then more drinking, then Joan's cleavage, then smoking and drinking.

That's probably all you have to know, Wozzy. And there's no nudity.

 

[badmojo1006]

Some people drink, there's a terse conversation, then more drinking, then Joan's cleavage, then smoking and drinking.

That's probably all you have to know, Wozzy. And there's no nudity.

Alexis Biedel had a fantastic side b00b a couple of episodes ago Here is a pic of it

 

[Zow]

I'm sure this is good show. Just had to check in bc it's so different. The FFA has been spot on with walking dead and breaking bad so I'll continue. But gpj's description seems accurate so far.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

I'm sure this is good show. Just had to check in bc it's so different. The FFA has been spot on with walking dead and breaking bad so I'll continue. But gpj's description seems accurate so far.

Could you post your thoughts on episodes as you watch them? Tanner PM'ed me and said he'd be interested in your thoughts.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

Some people drink, there's a terse conversation, then more drinking, then Joan's cleavage, then smoking and drinking.That's probably all you have to know, Wozzy. And there's no nudity.

Didn't Crane's secretary Hildy show something in S2?

 

[Raider Nation]

I'm sure this is good show. Just had to check in bc it's so different. The FFA has been spot on with walking dead and breaking bad so I'll continue. But gpj's description seems accurate so far.

Could you post your thoughts on episodes as you watch them? Tanner PM'ed me and said he'd be interested in your thoughts.

Tell ya what... if he catches up in time, I'll post Sepinwall's review and Woz's review back-to-back every Sunday night.

 

[pollardsvision]

Okay so on the popularity of this thread and the recommendations of friends and family my fiancée and I have started watching mad men. We are five episodes into the first season. At the risk of sounding like a pariah here, we are both wondering when exactly do things start to happen? Seems like pure character development so far resulting in not many endearing characters. I think we are both willing to continue watching but can I get some assurance things start to happen?

Well, there are no "things" that happen.This show has two aspects: it's a show about characters, and it's a show about a certain time period. It's a slow, deep show, with characters that act fairly normally (I don't recall once thinking "no way do people really act like that".) There are no huge "gotchas" or anything like that.

If you are looking for heavy drama in a "how in the heck does this work itself out next episode" vein, you'll be disappointed.

Spoiler

Except the whole, you know, "stealing the identity of a fallen soldier and rising to the top Madison Ave. with it and never getting caught by anyone that matters" thing. Other than that, just normal people doing normal things.

 

[Raider Nation]

Nominations for the 2012 Television Critics Association Awards

(My picks are in red, because I know you care.)

Individual Achievement in Drama

Bryan Cranston (“Breaking Bad,” AMC)

Claire Danes (“Homeland,” Showtime)

Peter Dinklage (“Game of Thrones,” HBO)

Jon Hamm (“Mad Men,” AMC)

Jessica Lange (“American Horror Story,” FX)

Individual Achievement in Comedy

Lena Dunham (“Girls,” HBO)

Julia Louis-Dreyfus (“Veep,” HBO)

Louis C.K. (“Louie,” FX)

Jim Parsons (“The Big Bang Theory,” CBS)

Amy Poehler (“Parks and Recreation,” NBC)

Outstanding Achievement in News and Information

“Anderson Cooper 360” (CNN)

“The Daily Show” (Comedy Central)

“Frontline” (PBS)

“60 Minutes” (CBS)

“The Rachel Maddow Show” (MSNBC)

Outstanding Achievement in Reality Programming

“The Amazing Race” (CBS)

“Dancing with the Stars” (ABC)

“The Glee Project” (Oxygen)

“So You Think You Can Dance” (Fox)

“The Voice” (NBC)

... I've never seen any of them.

Outstanding Achievement in Youth Programming

“iCarly” (Nickelodeon)

“Phineas and Ferb” (Disney)

“Sesame Street” (PBS)

“Switched at Birth” (ABC Family)

“Yo Gabba Gabba” (Nick Jr.)

Outstanding New Program

“Girls” (HBO)

“Homeland” (Showtime) (thisclose over "Girls")

“New Girl” (Fox)

“Revenge” (ABC)

“Smash” (NBC)

Outstanding Achievement in Movies, Miniseries and Specials

“Downton Abbey: Masterpiece” (PBS)

“Game Change” (HBO)

“Hatfields & McCoys” (History)

“Hemingway & Gellhorn” (HBO)

“Sherlock: Masterpiece” (PBS)

Outstanding Achievement in Drama

“Breaking Bad” (AMC)

“Game of Thrones” (HBO)

“Homeland” (Showtime)

“Justified” (FX)

“Mad Men” (AMC)

Outstanding Achievement in Comedy

“The Big Bang Theory” (CBS)

“Community” (NBC)

“Louie” (FX)

“Modern Family” (ABC)

“Parks and Recreation” (NBC)

Career Achievement Award

Andy Griffith

David Letterman

Regis Philbin

**** Clark

William Shatner

Heritage Award (a kind of career achievement for shows)

“Lost” (ABC)

“Cheers” (NBC)

“Saturday Night Live” (NBC)

“Star Trek” (NBC)

“Twin Peaks” (ABC)

Program of the Year

“Breaking Bad” (AMC)

“Game of Thrones” (HBO)

“Homeland” (Showtime)

“Mad Men” (AMC)

“Downton Abbey: Masterpiece” (PBS)

 

[jwb]

Okay so on the popularity of this thread and the recommendations of friends and family my fiancée and I have started watching mad men. We are five episodes into the first season. At the risk of sounding like a pariah here, we are both wondering when exactly do things start to happen? Seems like pure character development so far resulting in not many endearing characters. I think we are both willing to continue watching but can I get some assurance things start to happen?

Well, there are no "things" that happen.This show has two aspects: it's a show about characters, and it's a show about a certain time period. It's a slow, deep show, with characters that act fairly normally (I don't recall once thinking "no way do people really act like that".) There are no huge "gotchas" or anything like that.

If you are looking for heavy drama in a "how in the heck does this work itself out next episode" vein, you'll be disappointed.

Spoiler

Except the whole, you know, "stealing the identity of a fallen soldier and rising to the top Madison Ave. with it and never getting caught by anyone that matters" thing. Other than that, just normal people doing normal things.

good point.

 

[Insomniac]

Why is it so hard to believe that the character has simply been written into a new life away from SCDP because it made sense for the character? It's as if some people are in denial.

Of course I'm in denial. I don't want to see her go.

The series is about character development and more than any other character she's undergone the biggest and most positive change. There's just nothing left for her growth on this show. She went from secretary to the #2 creative and she's never going to be the #1 at that agency. In her personal life she became the thoroughly modern woman but there's not anything left to do there either for the show.Even bringing her back for random episodes seems like a bad idea. Her last scene was a perfect coda, nobody else has left happy and smiling on their way to bigger and better things.

 

[pollardsvision]

Nominations for the 2012 Television Critics Association Awards

(My picks are in red, because I know you care.)

Individual Achievement in Drama

Bryan Cranston (“Breaking Bad,” AMC)

Claire Danes (“Homeland,” Showtime)

Peter Dinklage (“Game of Thrones,” HBO)

Jon Hamm (“Mad Men,” AMC)

Jessica Lange (“American Horror Story,” FX)

Individual Achievement in Comedy

Lena Dunham (“Girls,” HBO)

Julia Louis-Dreyfus (“Veep,” HBO)

Louis C.K. (“Louie,” FX)

Jim Parsons (“The Big Bang Theory,” CBS)

Amy Poehler (“Parks and Recreation,” NBC)

Outstanding Achievement in News and Information

“Anderson Cooper 360” (CNN)

“The Daily Show” (Comedy Central)

“Frontline” (PBS)

“60 Minutes” (CBS)

“The Rachel Maddow Show” (MSNBC)

Outstanding Achievement in Reality Programming

“The Amazing Race” (CBS)

“Dancing with the Stars” (ABC)

“The Glee Project” (Oxygen)

“So You Think You Can Dance” (Fox)

“The Voice” (NBC)

... I've never seen any of them.

Outstanding Achievement in Youth Programming

“iCarly” (Nickelodeon)

“Phineas and Ferb” (Disney)

“Sesame Street” (PBS)

“Switched at Birth” (ABC Family)

“Yo Gabba Gabba” (Nick Jr.)

Outstanding New Program

“Girls” (HBO)

“Homeland” (Showtime) (thisclose over "Girls")

“New Girl” (Fox)

“Revenge” (ABC)

“Smash” (NBC)

Outstanding Achievement in Movies, Miniseries and Specials

“Downton Abbey: Masterpiece” (PBS)

“Game Change” (HBO)

“Hatfields & McCoys” (History)

“Hemingway & Gellhorn” (HBO)

“Sherlock: Masterpiece” (PBS)

Outstanding Achievement in Drama

“Breaking Bad” (AMC)

“Game of Thrones” (HBO)

“Homeland” (Showtime)

“Justified” (FX)

“Mad Men” (AMC)

Outstanding Achievement in Comedy

“The Big Bang Theory” (CBS)

“Community” (NBC)

“Louie” (FX)

“Modern Family” (ABC)

“Parks and Recreation” (NBC)

Career Achievement Award

Andy Griffith

David Letterman

Regis Philbin

**** Clark

William Shatner

Heritage Award (a kind of career achievement for shows)

“Lost” (ABC)

“Cheers” (NBC)

“Saturday Night Live” (NBC)

“Star Trek” (NBC)

“Twin Peaks” (ABC)

Program of the Year

“Breaking Bad” (AMC)

“Game of Thrones” (HBO)

“Homeland” (Showtime)

“Mad Men” (AMC)

“Downton Abbey: Masterpiece” (PBS)

I think I agree with all of your picks, though I've never seen any of the kid shows.Nice to see "Justified" at least get mentioned with the top tier dramas.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Individual Achievement in Drama

Bryan Cranston (“Breaking Bad,” AMC)

Claire Danes (“Homeland,” Showtime)

Peter Dinklage (“Game of Thrones,” HBO)

Jon Hamm (“Mad Men,” AMC)

Jessica Lange (“American Horror Story,” FX)

Individual Achievement in Comedy

Lena Dunham (“Girls,” HBO)

Julia Louis-Dreyfus (“Veep,” HBO)

Louis C.K. (“Louie,” FX)

Jim Parsons (“The Big Bang Theory,” CBS)

Amy Poehler (“Parks and Recreation,” NBC)

Outstanding Achievement in News and Information

“Anderson Cooper 360” (CNN)

“The Daily Show” (Comedy Central)

“Frontline” (PBS)

“60 Minutes” (CBS)

“The Rachel Maddow Show” (MSNBC)

Outstanding Achievement in Reality Programming

“The Amazing Race” (CBS)

“Dancing with the Stars” (ABC)

“The Glee Project” (Oxygen)

“So You Think You Can Dance” (Fox)

“The Voice” (NBC)

... I've never seen any of them either.

Outstanding Achievement in Youth Programming

“iCarly” (Nickelodeon)

“Phineas and Ferb” (Disney)

“Sesame Street” (PBS)

“Switched at Birth” (ABC Family)

“Yo Gabba Gabba” (Nick Jr.)

No vote

Outstanding New Program

“Girls” (HBO)

“Homeland” (Showtime) (thisclose over "Girls")

“New Girl” (Fox)

“Revenge” (ABC)

“Smash” (NBC)

No Vote

Outstanding Achievement in Movies, Miniseries and Specials

“Downton Abbey: Masterpiece” (PBS)

“Game Change” (HBO)

“Hatfields & McCoys” (History)

“Hemingway & Gellhorn” (HBO)

“Sherlock: Masterpiece” (PBS)

Outstanding Achievement in Drama

“Breaking Bad” (AMC)

“Game of Thrones” (HBO)

“Homeland” (Showtime)

“Justified” (FX)

“Mad Men” (AMC)

Outstanding Achievement in Comedy

“The Big Bang Theory” (CBS)

“Community” (NBC)

“Louie” (FX)

“Modern Family” (ABC)

“Parks and Recreation” (NBC)

Career Achievement Award

Andy Griffith

David Letterman

Regis Philbin

**** Clark

William Shatner

Heritage Award (a kind of career achievement for shows)

“Lost” (ABC)

“Cheers” (NBC)

“Saturday Night Live” (NBC)

“Star Trek” (NBC)

“Twin Peaks” (ABC)

Program of the Year

“Breaking Bad” (AMC)

“Game of Thrones” (HBO)

“Homeland” (Showtime)

“Mad Men” (AMC)

“Downton Abbey: Masterpiece” (PBS)

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Call me a homo, but Downton Abbey runs circles around that Hatfields and McCoys nonsense.

 

[Marvin]

Call me a homo, but Downton Abbey runs circles around that Hatfields and McCoys nonsense.

I haven't watched Downton Abbey but Hatfields and McCoys was meh. One part cheesy western, one part Lifetime Movie.

 

[Marvin]

Oh, and you're a homo.

 

[Daywalker]

Breaking Bad and Mad Men are neck and neck when it comes to best show on-air. This past season of BB was it's best and deserves the nod this time. This season of Mad Men is still terrific but the weakest of it's run IMO.

 

[Raider Nation]

Breaking Bad and Mad Men are neck and neck when it comes to best show on-air. This past season of BB was it's best and deserves the nod this time. This season of Mad Men is still terrific but the weakest of it's run IMO.

I think that's fair. The CGI effects when Gus had his face blown off were a little superfluous though.

 

[jamny]

Breaking Bad and Mad Men are neck and neck when it comes to best show on-air. This past season of BB was it's best and deserves the nod this time. This season of Mad Men is still terrific but the weakest of it's run IMO.

I think that's fair.

Spoiler

The CGI effects when Gus had his face blown off were a little superfluous though

 

[jdoggydogg]

Why is it so hard to believe that the character has simply been written into a new life away from SCDP because it made sense for the character? It's as if some people are in denial.

Of course I'm in denial. I don't want to see her go.

The series is about character development and more than any other character she's undergone the biggest and most positive change. There's just nothing left for her growth on this show. She went from secretary to the #2 creative and she's never going to be the #1 at that agency. In her personal life she became the thoroughly modern woman but there's not anything left to do there either for the show.Even bringing her back for random episodes seems like a bad idea. Her last scene was a perfect coda, nobody else has left happy and smiling on their way to bigger and better things.

Naturally, everything you say makes sense. But I just like Peggy and want more - despite this possible interesting end to her story arc.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Call me a homo, but Downton Abbey runs circles around that Hatfields and McCoys nonsense.

Haven't seen Hatfields, but it seems impossible that it's better than Downton Abbey.

 

[pollardsvision]

Why is it so hard to believe that the character has simply been written into a new life away from SCDP because it made sense for the character? It's as if some people are in denial.

Of course I'm in denial. I don't want to see her go.

The series is about character development and more than any other character she's undergone the biggest and most positive change. There's just nothing left for her growth on this show. She went from secretary to the #2 creative and she's never going to be the #1 at that agency. In her personal life she became the thoroughly modern woman but there's not anything left to do there either for the show.Even bringing her back for random episodes seems like a bad idea. Her last scene was a perfect coda, nobody else has left happy and smiling on their way to bigger and better things.

I just don't get this line of thinking.Sure, she's made quite a journey already and just took another huge step forward in her career, but that doesn't mean her growth is done as a character.

I mean, if "making it" in your career is the end of character development, then what's been the point of following the story of son of a whore/identity thief/retail clerk once he be a creative director on Madison Avenue?

Maybe there are other stories they'd rather tell now, that's fine, but I absolutely don't buy the notion that the growth of the Peggy character is done.

In many ways, her career is just beginning and her social life is a long way from settled. Heck, she was just giving out handy's in a movie theater.

 

[jwb]

Why is it so hard to believe that the character has simply been written into a new life away from SCDP because it made sense for the character? It's as if some people are in denial.

Of course I'm in denial. I don't want to see her go.

The series is about character development and more than any other character she's undergone the biggest and most positive change. There's just nothing left for her growth on this show. She went from secretary to the #2 creative and she's never going to be the #1 at that agency. In her personal life she became the thoroughly modern woman but there's not anything left to do there either for the show.Even bringing her back for random episodes seems like a bad idea. Her last scene was a perfect coda, nobody else has left happy and smiling on their way to bigger and better things.

I just don't get this line of thinking.Sure, she's made quite a journey already and just took another huge step forward in her career, but that doesn't mean her growth is done as a character.

I mean, if "making it" in your career is the end of character development, then what's been the point of following the story of son of a whore/identity thief/retail clerk once he be a creative director on Madison Avenue?

Maybe there are other stories they'd rather tell now, that's fine, but I absolutely don't buy the notion that the growth of the Peggy character is done.

In many ways, her career is just beginning and her social life is a long way from settled. Heck, she was just giving out handy's in a movie theater.

I kind of disagree with this - there really is nowhere interesting for her to go. Unless we really want to see the dark demons in her life (like Don, Joan, Roger, etc). Do we want to see that with Peggy? I sure dont. I really, really hope she's gone. Perfect ending for her.

 

[badmojo1006]

Why is it so hard to believe that the character has simply been written into a new life away from SCDP because it made sense for the character? It's as if some people are in denial.

Of course I'm in denial. I don't want to see her go.

The series is about character development and more than any other character she's undergone the biggest and most positive change. There's just nothing left for her growth on this show. She went from secretary to the #2 creative and she's never going to be the #1 at that agency. In her personal life she became the thoroughly modern woman but there's not anything left to do there either for the show.Even bringing her back for random episodes seems like a bad idea. Her last scene was a perfect coda, nobody else has left happy and smiling on their way to bigger and better things.

I just don't get this line of thinking.Sure, she's made quite a journey already and just took another huge step forward in her career, but that doesn't mean her growth is done as a character.

I mean, if "making it" in your career is the end of character development, then what's been the point of following the story of son of a whore/identity thief/retail clerk once he be a creative director on Madison Avenue?

Maybe there are other stories they'd rather tell now, that's fine, but I absolutely don't buy the notion that the growth of the Peggy character is done.

In many ways, her career is just beginning and her social life is a long way from settled. Heck, she was just giving out handy's in a movie theater.

I can see growth at SCDP has reached its peak. She still can and probably will grow in other agencies. ANd that is the question, will Matt Weiner move outside of Don Draper's agency for an ad story line. I am not sure

 

[jdoggydogg]

Mad Men without Peggy: Still worth watching?

Rumor has it that Elisabeth Moss, who plays proto-feminist copywriter Peggy Olsen, is leaving the hit AMC drama for good, sending fans and critics into mourning

http://theweek.com/article/slideshow/228957/mad-men-without-peggy-still-worth-watching

One theory behind Peggy Olsen's sudden exit from the Mad Men agency: Elizabeth Moss, the actress who plays her, had to leave early to film the BBC miniseries, Top of the Lake.

Is "You Really Got Me" Peggy Olsen's swan song? (Warning: Mad Men spoilers lie ahead.) Rumor-mongers claim that Mad Men's Elisabeth Moss and her character Peggy Olsen, last seen quitting ad agency Sterling Cooper Draper Pryce and triumphantly stepping into an elevator as the Kinks' punk classic played, may be leaving the hit AMC drama conclusively. Fans assumed the show would follow the character to her new copywriting job, but Olsen was absent from the most recent episode. Now, fellow Mad Men actor Jared Harris, whose character Lane Pryce recently committed suicide, may have inadvertently told The Daily that Moss is gone for good. Explaining that the series routinely writes characters off, he mentioned Moss, adding, "...and she'd been there since the beginning." Peggy is one of Mad Men's most popular characters, and Moss has been nominated for three Emmys. Would the show suffer without her?

Yes. Immensely: It makes no sense for Mad Men to "ditch Ms. Olsen now," says Kimberly Roots at TV Line. Arguably, both Don Draper and Peggy Olsen are the show's "guiding lights." Mad Men is "as much about her journey as it is his" and the series wouldn't be nearly as transfixing "if either of them jetted off." I'm choosing to believe that Moss simply needed to make an early exit this season so she could film another project, the BBC miniseries Top of the Lake, and will return.

"Mad Men's Peggy gone for good? Say it ain't so!"

There's still more to explore with Peggy: Yes, Peggy's trajectory is as vital to Mad Men as Don's, says Jennifer Graham Kizer at iVillage. Her story is hardly over just because she left SCDP for a job with better pay. Imagine the fireworks when she's "pitted against Don in a fight for a big client." Besides, it's almost impossible to imagine Moss choosing to leave the series "when it continues to be so creatively rich and well received."

"Is Elisabeth Moss leaving Mad Men?"

This is a fitting end: Peggy leaving for a competing agency that finally recognizes her worth is "as happy an ending as Peggy could deserve," says Kelly West at Cinema Blend. "The more I think about their final scene together," and Peggy's fierce exit into the elevator, "the more I could see that being her real final scene." Sure, it's not the most satisfying end to Don and Peggy's friendship, but Mad Men has never "shied away from a gloomier approach to relationships in the past."

"Is Elisabeth Moss leaving Mad Men for good?"

Everybody calm down: "It seems highly unlikely that Harris knows anything definitive about [showrunner Matthew] Weiner's intentions or Peggy's fate," says Sean O'Neal at The A.V. Club. More probable: Harris merely made an "unfortunate comparison" between his last episode of the season and Moss'. Indeed, Moss is at least "temporarily scaling back" her Mad Men work to star in Top of the Lake, but that doesn't mean she's gone for good. Still, "this wouldn't be Mad Men if we weren't all jumping to huge conclusions based on some offhand remark."

"Let's all freak out pointlessly over the idea of Elisabeth Moss leaving Mad Men"

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

In many ways, her career is just beginning and her social life is a long way from settled. Heck, she was just giving out handy's in a movie theater.

Yes, her glory hole days haven't even begun. Seriously though, I don't see how the show is as good without Peggy.

 

[Apple Juice]

In many ways, her career is just beginning and her social life is a long way from settled. Heck, she was just giving out handy's in a movie theater.

Yes, her glory hole days haven't even begun. Seriously though, I don't see how the show is as good without Peggy.

It's not as good. But sometimes an abrupt, well-conceived exit is better than a haphazard diet of so-so appearances that don't stack up to what she's demonstrated in the past. Whatever happens, Peggy Olson is one of my favorite characters in a television show, and almost certainly my favorite female character in one.

 

[jdoggydogg]

In many ways, her career is just beginning and her social life is a long way from settled. Heck, she was just giving out handy's in a movie theater.

Yes, her glory hole days haven't even begun. Seriously though, I don't see how the show is as good without Peggy.

It's not as good. But sometimes an abrupt, well-conceived exit is better than a haphazard diet of so-so appearances that don't stack up to what she's demonstrated in the past. Whatever happens, Peggy Olson is one of my favorite characters in a television show, and almost certainly my favorite female character in one.

I agree. While I want to see more of Peggy, this exit would be appropriate.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

In many ways, her career is just beginning and her social life is a long way from settled. Heck, she was just giving out handy's in a movie theater.

Yes, her glory hole days haven't even begun. Seriously though, I don't see how the show is as good without Peggy.

The one post-departure episode we've had was phenomenal. Not really sure what you're talking about.Personally, I'd hate to see her go back. But maybe because I've recently left a job I was miserable at for a better job. That smile, and that riff, were perfect. I hope they don't #### with perfect.

 

[Premier]

They don't have to bring her back to SCD...uh, Campbell to have her on the show. Not sure why everyone thinks the two are mutually inclusive.

 

[The Hank]

I think you may see Peggy in other episodes, they had Duck in a bunch when he was w/ a different agency (granted it was scenes with Peggy).

 

[Good Posting Judge]

But is she really connected to Don/SCDTBA any more? She might pop up here and there, I wouldn't expect her not too, given that it's the same industry and all, but look how much Betty's role has been reduced, and she's much more closely connected to Don.

Potential spoiler:

Spoiler

The season finale has a "V" rating for "intense violence," according to Comcast.

 

[Daywalker]

I think you may see Peggy in other episodes, they had Duck in a bunch when he was w/ a different agency (granted it was scenes with Peggy).

Doubt we will see Moss again unless she's prominently featured as has been the case. She was either written out of the show for creative reasons or it was about money. Either case does not bode well for "guest" spots which would be very cheap IMO and Weiner's better then that.

 

[Insomniac]

Why is it so hard to believe that the character has simply been written into a new life away from SCDP because it made sense for the character? It's as if some people are in denial.

Of course I'm in denial. I don't want to see her go.

The series is about character development and more than any other character she's undergone the biggest and most positive change. There's just nothing left for her growth on this show. She went from secretary to the #2 creative and she's never going to be the #1 at that agency. In her personal life she became the thoroughly modern woman but there's not anything left to do there either for the show.Even bringing her back for random episodes seems like a bad idea. Her last scene was a perfect coda, nobody else has left happy and smiling on their way to bigger and better things.

I just don't get this line of thinking.Sure, she's made quite a journey already and just took another huge step forward in her career, but that doesn't mean her growth is done as a character.

I mean, if "making it" in your career is the end of character development, then what's been the point of following the story of son of a whore/identity thief/retail clerk once he be a creative director on Madison Avenue?

Maybe there are other stories they'd rather tell now, that's fine, but I absolutely don't buy the notion that the growth of the Peggy character is done.

In many ways, her career is just beginning and her social life is a long way from settled. Heck, she was just giving out handy's in a movie theater.

The growth of her character is limited by the constraints of the show. It's a show centered on Don and the agency. There's no way they're going to double the size of the cast to have a Peggy's agency story. Even if they had the budget it wouldn't be good for this series. OTOH a spinoff series centered around her character is plausible. They wait Mad Men ends and they move her into the 1970's.

 

[jamny]

Why is it so hard to believe that the character has simply been written into a new life away from SCDP because it made sense for the character? It's as if some people are in denial.

Of course I'm in denial. I don't want to see her go.

The series is about character development and more than any other character she's undergone the biggest and most positive change. There's just nothing left for her growth on this show. She went from secretary to the #2 creative and she's never going to be the #1 at that agency. In her personal life she became the thoroughly modern woman but there's not anything left to do there either for the show.Even bringing her back for random episodes seems like a bad idea. Her last scene was a perfect coda, nobody else has left happy and smiling on their way to bigger and better things.

I just don't get this line of thinking.Sure, she's made quite a journey already and just took another huge step forward in her career, but that doesn't mean her growth is done as a character.

I mean, if "making it" in your career is the end of character development, then what's been the point of following the story of son of a whore/identity thief/retail clerk once he be a creative director on Madison Avenue?

Maybe there are other stories they'd rather tell now, that's fine, but I absolutely don't buy the notion that the growth of the Peggy character is done.

In many ways, her career is just beginning and her social life is a long way from settled. Heck, she was just giving out handy's in a movie theater.

The growth of her character is limited by the constraints of the show. It's a show centered on Don and the agency. There's no way they're going to double the size of the cast to have a Peggy's agency story. Even if they had the budget it wouldn't be good for this series.

It worked so well with the Stanford branch of Dunder-Miflin.

 

[Gatorman]

Don't sleep on Sherlock the BBC miniseries. Downright amazing TV.

 

[jamny]

Don't sleep on Sherlock the BBC miniseries. Downright amazing TV.

Forgot about making that avatar.

 

[pollardsvision]

Why is it so hard to believe that the character has simply been written into a new life away from SCDP because it made sense for the character? It's as if some people are in denial.

Of course I'm in denial. I don't want to see her go.

The series is about character development and more than any other character she's undergone the biggest and most positive change. There's just nothing left for her growth on this show. She went from secretary to the #2 creative and she's never going to be the #1 at that agency. In her personal life she became the thoroughly modern woman but there's not anything left to do there either for the show.Even bringing her back for random episodes seems like a bad idea. Her last scene was a perfect coda, nobody else has left happy and smiling on their way to bigger and better things.

I just don't get this line of thinking.Sure, she's made quite a journey already and just took another huge step forward in her career, but that doesn't mean her growth is done as a character.

I mean, if "making it" in your career is the end of character development, then what's been the point of following the story of son of a whore/identity thief/retail clerk once he be a creative director on Madison Avenue?

Maybe there are other stories they'd rather tell now, that's fine, but I absolutely don't buy the notion that the growth of the Peggy character is done.

In many ways, her career is just beginning and her social life is a long way from settled. Heck, she was just giving out handy's in a movie theater.

The growth of her character is limited by the constraints of the show. It's a show centered on Don and the agency. There's no way they're going to double the size of the cast to have a Peggy's agency story. Even if they had the budget it wouldn't be good for this series.

It worked so well with the Stanford branch of Dunder-Miflin.

That turned into Ed Helms and Rashida Jones, so certainly it wasn't a bust. Though it's a very different situation with Mad Men/Peggy.Way off-topic, but did you guys know Rashida's dad is Quincy Jones? I had no idea

 

[Zow]

Update for tanner: the fiancée has decided she likes lost better. So unfortunately you'll have to wait awhile for my adding to the mad men discussion.

 

[Wrighteous Ray]

Update for tanner: the fiancée has decided she likes lost better.

This is probably the second biggest mistake your fiancée has ever made.