Making A Murderer (Netflix) (Spoilers) (1 Viewer)

[mr. furley]

10/19

weird ranking scale

 

[Cjw_55106]

weird ranking scale

It’s a weird case. 

 

[shuke]

I’ll probably watch but #### this murdering SOB.  I admit I got wrapped up a little in season one and empathized with him but now that I know the facts I’m not sure how this season will hold my interest.  

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

Yeah, it won't hold as much mystery since we know the events that have transpired since the first season (the appeals, etc.), but I am interested to see if Zellner drops any nuggets that we don't already know. 

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

I'm in... but 10 more episodes seems like a bit much at this point.

I doubt that’s even the end, considering where the Avery post-conviction effort is now.  There’s a pretty amazing petition before the Wisconsin Circuit Court that hasn’t been ruled on yet. 

I think it’s about 50/50 that the conviction is vacated, the State moves to try again, and Avery  ends up taking an Abrams plea for manslaughter and time-served. 

 

[Rattle and Hum]

I thought season 2 was very interesting and worthwhile. Curious if anyone's opinion on SA/BD's guilt or right to re-trial was swayed at all by this season?

 

[ren hoek]

YOU'RE GOING DOWN KRATZ!  THE PAINTRAIN'S COMING!  

 

[Ghost Rider]

So now, Teresa's Halbach's family has to endure having wounds ripped open again, just so these filmmakers can make more money on a second documentary in their clear attempt to make a guilty man look less guilty?  Shameful. 

Zero interest in watching this. 

 

[tonydead]

So now, Teresa's Halbach's family has to endure having wounds ripped open again, just so these filmmakers can make more money on a second documentary in their clear attempt to make a guilty man look less guilty?  Shameful. 

Zero interest in watching this. 

No idea what the real story is with Steven, but, there is no way Brendan is guilty of what they put him away for.  If it get's an innocent kid out of jail it's all worth it.

Only 4 episodes in and that new lawyer lady looks like she might be able to get them all set free.  They're just about to let Bendan go and I hope that's what really happens.

 

[Daywalker]

Zellner's parade of expert witnesses are always so definitive.  They make such giant leaps that have me scratching my head.

 

[Daywalker]

All the scrapbooks and hand-made quilts sent to Avery and Brendan by supporters really creep me out.  So many nutjobs out there.

 

[fochs13]

I thought season 2 was very interesting and worthwhile. Curious if anyone's opinion on SA/BD's guilt or right to re-trial was swayed at all by this season?

They are both still guilty imho.  Brendan may not have participated in the murder, but he helped clean up and destroy evidence.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

So now, Teresa's Halbach's family has to endure having wounds ripped open again, just so these filmmakers can make more money on a second documentary in their clear attempt to make a guilty man look less guilty?  Shameful. 

Zero interest in watching this. 

It's all horrible for the Halbach family. I'm not going to take a position of guilt or innocence but there isn't any doubt in my mind that kid's confession was coerced and they planted thoughts in his head.  

The amount of dissenting evidence on the state's story is frightening.  

I would want Cruella DeVille on my case if I were ever to be in such a horrible situation.    

 

[Stinkin Ref]

only two episodes in to the second one......did I hear it right that Zellner had to sit (for 30 years) on one of her clients telling her he committed a bunch murders that nobody knew about...?

I get client/attorney privilege and all....but it had to suck to sit on that information for so long when you know what the family members of the victims were probably having to go through and them not having that information/closure that whole time....

 

[Captain Cranks]

I think it was 3 years.  

Anyway, just finished the first episode. I love this show although it would be so much better if they gave the opposing perspective.  

Zellner's a badass though.  

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

No idea what the real story is with Steven, but, there is no way Brendan is guilty of what they put him away for.  If it get's an innocent kid out of jail it's all worth it.

Only 4 episodes in and that new lawyer lady looks like she might be able to get them all set free.  They're just about to let Bendan go and I hope that's what really happens.

Haven't watched yet, but is there anything presented in S2 that we don't already know from the news? Regarding the appeals that have been denied, etc.?

 

[tonydead]

Haven't watched yet, but is there anything presented in S2 that we don't already know from the news? Regarding the appeals that have been denied, etc.?

I don't know.  Regarding outcomes I'd guess not, but, I haven't been keeping up with the news which probably makes it better to watch.  

 

[bucksoh]

I’ll probably watch but #### this murdering SOB.  I admit I got wrapped up a little in season one and empathized with him but now that I know the facts I’m not sure how this season will hold my interest.  

What facts did I miss something?  Did S.A. admit to doing it?  

 

[Binky The Doormat]

I’ll probably watch but #### this murdering SOB.  I admit I got wrapped up a little in season one and empathized with him but now that I know the facts I’m not sure how this season will hold my interest.  

What facts did I miss something?  Did S.A. admit to doing it?  

same here - I meant to say something when I saw this, but got distracted.  

 

[Binky The Doormat]

Haven't watched yet, but is there anything presented in S2 that we don't already know from the news? Regarding the appeals that have been denied, etc.?

tons.

 

[shuke]

What facts did I miss something?  Did S.A. admit to doing it?  

You, like facts.  Actual evidence and unbiased information?

 

[Binky The Doormat]

What facts did I miss something?  Did S.A. admit to doing it?  

You, like facts.  Actual evidence and unbiased information?

I am very confused by this.  

 

[shuke]

I am very confused by this.  

Have you researched this case at all or just watched season 1?

 

[Binky The Doormat]

Have you researched this case at all or just watched season 1?

Watched both seasons.  Seems like he didn't do it.  

 

[shuke]

Watched both seasons.  Seems like he didn't do it.  

I'll rephrase.  Have you researched this case beyond the obviously biased television series?

 

[Binky The Doormat]

I'll rephrase.  Have you researched this case beyond the obviously biased television series?

no.  link me.  

What do you think about the kid?

 

[shuke]

no.  link me.  

What do you think about the kid?

Confession should be thrown out.  He helped clean up, but not the murder.  He should be free.  Avery should rot.

 

[Don't Noonan]

Confession should be thrown out.  He helped clean up, but not the murder.  He should be free.  Avery should rot.

Cool.  Now who murdered JFK?

 

[The Kerminator]

Cool.  Now who murdered JFK?

Ken Kratz

 

[shuke]

Cool.  Now who murdered JFK?

Oswald.  Lone shooter.

 

[Don't Noonan]

Oswald.  Lone shooter.

Thanks.  Did the husband from The Staircase kill his wife?

 

[shuke]

Thanks.  Did the husband from The Staircase kill his wife?

Did who do what in the what now?

 

[The Kerminator]

Did who do what in the what now?

Mrs. White in the library with the rope

 

[Don't Noonan]

Did who do what in the what now?

Looks like another Netfix documentary is on deck for you

 

[mr roboto]

Looks like another Netfix documentary is on deck for you

Yeah The Staircase is pretty infuriating. 

 

[Binky The Doormat]

Oswald.  Lone shooter.

I do not believe this.  

 

[bucksoh]

Did who do what in the what now?

I believe  you don't know all the facts of the case.  You're gonna be extremely disappointed after you watch season 2.  The best you can hope for is what will probably  happen  anyway the two innocent people will be shanked in prison before  their big pay day!

 

[Patrick Bateman]

I've read/watched just about everything on this case. I don't understand how any rational human being can come to the conclusion that Avery/Dassey are guilty. I cannot wrap my head around it. The state of Wisconsin railroaded them. It's an egregious miscarriage justice. Appalling. 

 

[shuke]

I believe  you don't know all the facts of the case.  You're gonna be extremely disappointed after you watch season 2.  The best you can hope for is what will probably  happen  anyway the two innocent people will be shanked in prison before  their big pay day!

What facts don’t I know?  There’s nothing in season 2 that hasn’t already been public.  

 

[fochs13]

I think it was 3 years.  

Anyway, just finished the first episode. I love this show although it would be so much better if they gave the opposing perspective.  

Zellner's a badass though.  

There's another documentary coming out next year called "Convicting A Murderer" and it covers the case from the other point of view.

 

[bucksoh]

What facts don’t I know?  There’s nothing in season 2 that hasn’t already been public.  

I'm just gonna say you haven't  watched season 2 and you don't know the facts.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

What facts don’t I know?  There’s nothing in season 2 that hasn’t already been public.  

I'm curious. What facts that were presented have you convinced of the states case? Am I missing something? I'm baffled. 

 

[shuke]

I'm just gonna say you haven't  watched season 2 and you don't know the facts.

Are you saying that something was revealed in season 2 that has not already been discussed on the internet, or even in here?

 

[shuke]

I'm curious. What facts that were presented have you convinced of the states case? Am I missing something? I'm baffled. 

Have you read my comments in this thread?

 

[Rattle and Hum]

Kratz's rebuttal to Season 2, I guess.  Not very compelling for me after watching season 2. After season 1, I was 50/50 on SA's guilt. Now...5-10%. I see a re-trial in his future based on discovered and withheld evidence. Would like to see detailed arguments against his innocence as I didn't study the facts outside of the show.

 

[bucksoh]

Are you saying that something was revealed in season 2 that has not already been discussed on the internet, or even in here?

Yes

 

[Binky The Doormat]

Kratz's rebuttal to Season 2, I guess.  Not very compelling for me after watching season 2. After season 1, I was 50/50 on SA's guilt. Now...5-10%. I see a re-trial in his future based on discovered and withheld evidence. Would like to see detailed arguments against his innocence as I didn't study the facts outside of the show.

that guy belongs in jail.  

 

[bucksoh]

Have you read my comments in this thread?

Most of them

 

[bucksoh]

that guy belongs in jail.  

I prefer him to be hung at the courthouse.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

Kratz's rebuttal to Season 2, I guess.  Not very compelling for me after watching season 2. After season 1, I was 50/50 on SA's guilt. Now...5-10%. I see a re-trial in his future based on discovered and withheld evidence. Would like to see detailed arguments against his innocence as I didn't study the facts outside of the show.

I keep seeing people say this, but there's apparently no new information reported in Season 2 that hasn't already been put out there. All appeals and Zellner's  filings have been denied to date, despite what I felt having compelling arguments. Unless there's something else that she hasn't exposed yet (and I can't imagine why she wouldn't have), then there won't be another trial. She's already tried for that and been denied.