Malaysian plane shot down in Ukraine. (1 Viewer)

[Politician Spock]

video of it hitting the ground

 

[George Jefferson Airplane]

They were saying on the news last night that at this moment in time, there is more conflict in the world than at any time since WWII. This stuff today is crazy.

 

[mcintyre1]

So what's up with Russia shooting down a Ukraine military aircraft earlier? This seems like huge news that I didn't hear about until after this plane went down.

Seems like firing on another nation's air force while they are in their own country's airspace would be pretty big news.

Happened about the same time, was probably rebels and not directly Russian military. Similar to the claims Ukraine is making about the airliner.

 

[mcintyre1]

More from Ukraine's Foreign Ministry: "Ukraine will present the evidence of Russian military involvement into the Boeing crash."

We'll see what they have to show, I guess.

 

[ChiefD]

wtf.

 

[TheIronSheik]

video of it hitting the ground

Strange thing about these videos (of course I don't claim to be an expert or anything) but wouldn't a jet hit by AA leave a smoke trail on its way down?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Oh by the way Russia announces it is renewing military and intelligence ties with Cuba, and they're forgiving their debt.

They're even reopening an old spying/satellite base.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/16/world/cuba-russia-listening-post/index.html

Carry on.

 

[TheIronSheik]

So what's up with Russia shooting down a Ukraine military aircraft earlier? This seems like huge news that I didn't hear about until after this plane went down.

Seems like firing on another nation's air force while they are in their own country's airspace would be pretty big news.

Happened about the same time, was probably rebels and not directly Russian military. Similar to the claims Ukraine is making about the airliner.

Just going off of what I've read, the claims are that it was air-to-air. The rebels couldn't have done that, right?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Oh by the way Russia announces it is renewing military and intelligence ties with Cuba, and they're forgiving their debt.

They're even reopening an old spying/satellite base.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/16/world/cuba-russia-listening-post/index.html

Carry on.

Let's bomb Cuba. OOOORAAAAH

That was Kennedy. Awful president, amiright?

 

[QuizGuy66]

Analysts/politicians saying that there's no practical reason that a passenger airline would be purposely shot down in this instance are underestimating what a desperate force is capable of. It very well could be a controlled deteremined action by separatists. If you feel like Russia is not helping you enough and if you feel like they are trying to reach a settlement (and you don't want that) well doing something with this sheer level of horror poisons the well of cooperation - basically you make it impossible for Russia and Ukraine to settle things now. Which, if you're a separatist that wants the war to continue/escalate, is exactly what you want.

This event is just beyond awful.

-QG

 

[Politician Spock]

Lots of claims on the internet that both CNN and Fox are claiming Russians did it.

GO GET YOUR PITCHFORKS PEOPLE!!! THE MAIN STREEM MEDIA HAS FOUND A WITCH!!!!!

 

[TheIronSheik]

Analysts/politicians saying that there's no practical reason that a passenger airline would be purposely shot down in this instance are underestimating what a desperate force is capable of. It very well could be a controlled deteremined action by separatists. If you feel like Russia is not helping you enough and if you feel like they are trying to reach a settlement (and you don't want that) well doing something with this sheer level of horror poisons the well of cooperation - basically you make it impossible for Russia and Ukraine to settle things now. Which, if you're a separatist that wants the war to continue/escalate, is exactly what you want.

This event is just beyond awful.

-QG

I understand that reasoning totally.

But I still think it's WAY more reasonable to assume that it was shot down by mistake at this point.

 

[culdeus]

Analysts/politicians saying that there's no practical reason that a passenger airline would be purposely shot down in this instance are underestimating what a desperate force is capable of. It very well could be a controlled deteremined action by separatists. If you feel like Russia is not helping you enough and if you feel like they are trying to reach a settlement (and you don't want that) well doing something with this sheer level of horror poisons the well of cooperation - basically you make it impossible for Russia and Ukraine to settle things now. Which, if you're a separatist that wants the war to continue/escalate, is exactly what you want.

This event is just beyond awful.

-QG

Plane was at 10000m+ theory just doesn't really hold up.

 

[Pipes]

###### OBAMA!!

Too soon.

 

[Tom Servo]

Dear Christo --

What are the airline blogs saying?

Sincerely,

Tom Servo

 

[Politician Spock]

Analysts/politicians saying that there's no practical reason that a passenger airline would be purposely shot down in this instance are underestimating what a desperate force is capable of. It very well could be a controlled deteremined action by separatists. If you feel like Russia is not helping you enough and if you feel like they are trying to reach a settlement (and you don't want that) well doing something with this sheer level of horror poisons the well of cooperation - basically you make it impossible for Russia and Ukraine to settle things now. Which, if you're a separatist that wants the war to continue/escalate, is exactly what you want.

This event is just beyond awful.

-QG

I understand that reasoning totally.But I still think it's WAY more reasonable to assume that it was shot down by mistake at this point.

Or the person who pulled the trigger did so on intel supplied by those who wanted to escalate the situation.

 

[Sinn Fein]

video of it hitting the ground

Strange thing about these videos (of course I don't claim to be an expert or anything) but wouldn't a jet hit by AA leave a smoke trail on its way down?

I think there is a faint trace of a smoke trail at the very beginning of the video.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

video of it hitting the ground

Strange thing about these videos (of course I don't claim to be an expert or anything) but wouldn't a jet hit by AA leave a smoke trail on its way down?

Suuuuuuuuuuurrrrre

 

[Brony]

They were saying on the news last night that at this moment in time, there is more conflict in the world than at any time since WWII. This stuff today is crazy.

And they said we didn't need a separate political forum here.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Analysts/politicians saying that there's no practical reason that a passenger airline would be purposely shot down in this instance are underestimating what a desperate force is capable of. It very well could be a controlled deteremined action by separatists. If you feel like Russia is not helping you enough and if you feel like they are trying to reach a settlement (and you don't want that) well doing something with this sheer level of horror poisons the well of cooperation - basically you make it impossible for Russia and Ukraine to settle things now. Which, if you're a separatist that wants the war to continue/escalate, is exactly what you want.

This event is just beyond awful.

-QG

I understand that reasoning totally.But I still think it's WAY more reasonable to assume that it was shot down by mistake at this point.

Or the person who pulled the trigger did so on intel supplied by those who wanted to escalate the situation.

I still think that's a longshot.

 

[Politician Spock]

video of it hitting the ground

Strange thing about these videos (of course I don't claim to be an expert or anything) but wouldn't a jet hit by AA leave a smoke trail on its way down?

I think there is a faint trace of a smoke trail at the very beginning of the video.

I'm pretty sure he pulled out his phone because he saw a smoking plane headed for the earth. I don't think he was just randomly videoing over in that direction. Unfortunately he didn't start videoing until right before impact.

 

[TheIronSheik]

video of it hitting the ground

Strange thing about these videos (of course I don't claim to be an expert or anything) but wouldn't a jet hit by AA leave a smoke trail on its way down?

I think there is a faint trace of a smoke trail at the very beginning of the video.

Going back to look, I do see a faint trail. Surprised it wouldn't be bigger though.

 

[TheIronSheik]

video of it hitting the ground

Strange thing about these videos (of course I don't claim to be an expert or anything) but wouldn't a jet hit by AA leave a smoke trail on its way down?

I think there is a faint trace of a smoke trail at the very beginning of the video.

I'm pretty sure he pulled out his phone because he saw a smoking plane headed for the earth. I don't think he was just randomly videoing over in that direction. Unfortunately he didn't start videoing until right before impact.

If I see a plane falling to the ground, I'm going to tape it even if there isn't smoke coming out of it.

 

[CurlyNight]

Where is the report that it was shot down? CNN just says plane crashes in Ukraine.

 

[butcher boy]

video of it hitting the ground

Strange thing about these videos (of course I don't claim to be an expert or anything) but wouldn't a jet hit by AA leave a smoke trail on its way down?

I think there is a faint trace of a smoke trail at the very beginning of the video.

Going back to look, I do see a faint trail. Surprised it wouldn't be bigger though.

Could whatever was on fire have cooled off enough to not produce much smoke during the 30,000ft descent?

 

[Politician Spock]

Analysts/politicians saying that there's no practical reason that a passenger airline would be purposely shot down in this instance are underestimating what a desperate force is capable of. It very well could be a controlled deteremined action by separatists. If you feel like Russia is not helping you enough and if you feel like they are trying to reach a settlement (and you don't want that) well doing something with this sheer level of horror poisons the well of cooperation - basically you make it impossible for Russia and Ukraine to settle things now. Which, if you're a separatist that wants the war to continue/escalate, is exactly what you want.

This event is just beyond awful.

-QG

I understand that reasoning totally.But I still think it's WAY more reasonable to assume that it was shot down by mistake at this point.

Or the person who pulled the trigger did so on intel supplied by those who wanted to escalate the situation.

I still think that's a longshot.

Supplies of weapons and intel pretty much go hand in hand.

 

[Ned]

Oh by the way Russia announces it is renewing military and intelligence ties with Cuba, and they're forgiving their debt.

They're even reopening an old spying/satellite base.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/16/world/cuba-russia-listening-post/index.html

Carry on.

Let's bomb Cuba. OOOORAAAAH

Don't do this.

 

[Short Corner]

if this was an act of aggression meant by Russia towards Ukraine, do we have an obligation as a NATO member to retaliate?

Why would we?

 

[George Jefferson Airplane]

So two cargo planes had been shot down in the same area in the past few days and Malaysia Air was still flying over? What am I missing?

 

[tjnc09]

So two cargo planes had been shot down in the same area in the past few days and Malaysia Air was still flying over? What am I missing?

Nothing. Malaysian Airlines was negligent in ignoring warnings and trying to save a few dollars in fuel.

 

[HellToupee]

Oh by the way Russia announces it is renewing military and intelligence ties with Cuba, and they're forgiving their debt.

They're even reopening an old spying/satellite base.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/16/world/cuba-russia-listening-post/index.html

Carry on.

All the do-gooders laughed when Mitt said Russia was our biggest threat

 

[Sinn Fein]

So two cargo planes had been shot down in the same area in the past few days and Malaysia Air was still flying over? What am I missing?

Nothing. Malaysian Airlines was negligent in ignoring warnings and trying to save a few dollars in fuel.

Time to short Malaysian Air stock imo.

 

[HellToupee]

So two cargo planes had been shot down in the same area in the past few days and Malaysia Air was still flying over? What am I missing?

so was Lufthansa & Air France

 

[TheIronSheik]

So two cargo planes had been shot down in the same area in the past few days and Malaysia Air was still flying over? What am I missing?

One Malaysian Airlines triple 7 in the Indian Ocean.

HTH

 

[GoBirds]

That does it, not flying Malaysian Air

 

[Sinn Fein]

video of it hitting the ground

Strange thing about these videos (of course I don't claim to be an expert or anything) but wouldn't a jet hit by AA leave a smoke trail on its way down?

I think there is a faint trace of a smoke trail at the very beginning of the video.

Going back to look, I do see a faint trail. Surprised it wouldn't be bigger though.

Could whatever was on fire have cooled off enough to not produce much smoke during the 30,000ft descent?

That, and the smoke going down is probably going faster/thinner than the large billowing smoke that rises from the crash site.

 

[George Jefferson Airplane]

So two cargo planes had been shot down in the same area in the past few days and Malaysia Air was still flying over? What am I missing?

Nothing. Malaysian Airlines was negligent in ignoring warnings and trying to save a few dollars in fuel.

Holy crap

 

[George Jefferson Airplane]

23 Americans on board, 20.7 of them were Muslims.

-Da Guru

 

[Short Corner]

Time to short Malaysian Air stock imo.

Probably a little late for that.

 

[matttyl]

They were saying on the news last night that at this moment in time, there is more conflict in the world than at any time since WWII. This stuff today is crazy.

I thought Obama was bringing "tranquility" to the "global community"?

 

[Mario Kart]

Just got back from the stores. Grabbed a bunch of duct tape, saltine crackers, rubbing alcohol and bought $400 in whiskey. Stopped at Gander Mountain and put in an order for a Glock and a heavier rifle. Will venture out later in the hopes to score some canned goods on sale. Going to board up my house tonight when it gets dark. Hopefully the city lights do not shine too much on my place. I'm in for the long haul here people. You should be too.

 

[George Jefferson Airplane]

Have to think these Russian seperatists are going to have new assignments in Siberia soon. Putin can't keep cool on this one, they are screwed.

 

[timschochet]

They were saying on the news last night that at this moment in time, there is more conflict in the world than at any time since WWII. This stuff today is crazy.

I thought Obama was bringing "tranquility" to the "global community"?

Is it possible to have a single thread discussing world events in which we don't start attacking Obama? Just one?

 

[Tom Servo]

Just got back from the stores. Grabbed a bunch of duct tape, saltine crackers, rubbing alcohol and bought $400 in whiskey. Stopped at Gander Mountain and put in an order for a Glock and a heavier rifle. Will venture out later in the hopes to score some canned goods on sale. Going to board up my house tonight when it gets dark. Hopefully the city lights do not shine too much on my place. I'm in for the long haul here people. You should be too.

Do you have your bug out bag packed yet?

 

[Blind Tiger]

That does it, not flying Malaysian Air

Seems a little premature. What happened to three strikes and you're out?

 

[George Jefferson Airplane]

They were saying on the news last night that at this moment in time, there is more conflict in the world than at any time since WWII. This stuff today is crazy.

I thought Obama was bringing "tranquility" to the "global community"?

"ok then"

 

[mquinnjr]

That does it, not flying Malaysian Air

Seems a little premature. What happened to three strikes and you're out?

So, you're going with literally in lieu of figuratively here?

 

[TheIronSheik]

Any truth to the rumor that Malaysia just downed an Aeroflot jet? Or did I just make that up?

 

[jon_mx]

They were saying on the news last night that at this moment in time, there is more conflict in the world than at any time since WWII. This stuff today is crazy.

I thought Obama was bringing "tranquility" to the "global community"?

Is it possible to have a single thread discussing world events in which we don't start attacking Obama? Just one?

I am just happy you have not found a way to drag the tea party into this.

 

[HellToupee]

Any truth to the rumor that Malaysia just downed an Aeroflot jet? Or did I just make that up?

What did they do sneak one of their pilots on board