malcom floyd (1 Viewer)

[gagull]

He's ranked #33 and playing a weak Chiefs secondary. Am I missing something here? Granted, Gates is the #1 Chargers option, but with their passing capability, I thought Floyd would at least crack the top 20, if not 15.

 

[wbaaoz]

I was thinking the same thing. The projections have him for what, 4 catches?

In the preseason games I saw (and yes it's just preseason) but Rivers was looking for him early and often. I expect him to get at least 9-12 targets and a few of those have to be deep balls.

I would've predicted like 6-7 catches and more like 90 yards or so.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Seems like a lot to go around and no real evidence that he'll produce big numbers even against KC. With Gates, Floyd, Nanee, Mathews and Sproles it could end up looking like a 3-55 type of day for Floyd. Personally I expect a lot of running from SD

 

[kd1]

Seems like a lot to go around and no real evidence that he'll produce big numbers even against KC. With Gates, Floyd, Nanee, Mathews and Sproles it could end up looking like a 3-55 type of day for Floyd. Personally I expect a lot of running from SD

this, and make that for the whole season. one of the bigger sucker picks i've ever seen. maybe he ends up being decent, but you are nuts if you spent anything higher than a 9th rounder on this guy (which i'm guessing none of you did).you don't just assume that a less talented wide wr steps into a better wr's spot and replicates his #'s.

 

[gary mexico]

He's ranked #33 and playing a weak Chiefs secondary. Am I missing something here? Granted, Gates is the #1 Chargers option, but with their passing capability, I thought Floyd would at least crack the top 20, if not 15.

I think he is a good play this week. Have him in over crabtree

 

[Voodoo Rage]

Floyd is basically the #2 behind Gates in a game where I suspect they are actually going to run the ball a lot. I think 4 catches is about right.

 

[gary mexico]

Floyd is basically the #2 behind Gates in a game where I suspect they are actually going to run the ball a lot. I think 4 catches is about right.

He had 4 at halftime with a td against the cowboys the other week. I think he will have an easier time against the chiefs since you know they will be playing the run or atleast i think they will lol

 

[shnikies]

Floyd is basically the #2 behind Gates in a game where I suspect they are actually going to run the ball a lot. I think 4 catches is about right.

He had 4 at halftime with a td against the cowboys the other week. I think he will have an easier time against the chiefs since you know they will be playing the run or atleast i think they will lol

The other week? It's week 1. Nobody would be referring to the preseason I hope. The bottom line is that nobody knows who will be 2nd in targets behind Gates. It could be Naanee for all we know. I would definitely hold off on starting Floyd until you see how it shakes out.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I was thinking the same thing. The projections have him for what, 4 catches?

In the preseason games I saw (and yes it's just preseason) but Rivers was looking for him early and often. I expect him to get at least 9-12 targets and a few of those have to be deep balls.

I would've predicted like 6-7 catches and more like 90 yards or so.

Targets from last year.....AJ: 171 targets

Fitz: 153 targets

Wayne: 148 targets

Moss: 138 targets

Vincent Jackson: 107 targets (played in 15 games for an average of 7 per game).

So you are saying you expect Floyd to get 9 to 12 targets in week 1... 9 targets a week over the course of a year would be 144 targets on the year... If you want to start putting him in that breath week 1 then i would take the under.... Also V-Jax had more then 9 targets a year ago a grand total of 3 times and only got to 12 targets one time... I would bet against him getting 9-12 targets in week 1.

 

[AngryPatriot]

It just remains to be seen and the track record is not there. If he goes off the 1st week or 2 that will all change. He has good upside in the red zone with his size too. There seems to be an extra amount of players in a similar "wait and see" boat: Wallace in Pit, Crabtree, Gaffney, Evans, Cleveland wr's, Knox, Seattle wr's etc... I have Malcolm in a couple leagues and I do think he has wr1 upside mainly due to a good QB and offense but now is the time.

 

[Nagle2998]

Seems like a lot to go around and no real evidence that he'll produce big numbers even against KC. With Gates, Floyd, Nanee, Mathews and Sproles it could end up looking like a 3-55 type of day for Floyd. Personally I expect a lot of running from SD

this, and make that for the whole season. one of the bigger sucker picks i've ever seen. maybe he ends up being decent, but you are nuts if you spent anything higher than a 9th rounder on this guy (which i'm guessing none of you did).you don't just assume that a less talented wide wr steps into a better wr's spot and replicates his #'s.

I agree people just think because a guy is named the number 1 Wr he will put up something close to what the previous guy did when Jackson is a much better Wr then Floyd or Floyd would have been the number one. This is a young guy with high expectations who has been on the team longer then Jackson and has barely proven he is a number two Wr. Only way I start Floyd is if I have to and unless Crabtree went blind there is no way I bench him for Floyd but I have been wrong before.

 

[gary mexico]

Seems like a lot to go around and no real evidence that he'll produce big numbers even against KC. With Gates, Floyd, Nanee, Mathews and Sproles it could end up looking like a 3-55 type of day for Floyd. Personally I expect a lot of running from SD

this, and make that for the whole season. one of the bigger sucker picks i've ever seen. maybe he ends up being decent, but you are nuts if you spent anything higher than a 9th rounder on this guy (which i'm guessing none of you did).you don't just assume that a less talented wide wr steps into a better wr's spot and replicates his #'s.

I agree people just think because a guy is named the number 1 Wr he will put up something close to what the previous guy did when Jackson is a much better Wr then Floyd or Floyd would have been the number one. This is a young guy with high expectations who has been on the team longer then Jackson and has barely proven he is a number two Wr. Only way I start Floyd is if I have to and unless Crabtree went blind there is no way I bench him for Floyd but I have been wrong before.

Crabtree hasnt played all preseason, is going against trufant and should be playing most of the game killing the clock with gore. Sometimes you gotta go with your gut and defy logic....Floyd is the man this week

 

[B Maverick]

For what its worth, week 17 last year as the #1 he hauled in 9 for 140 despite being 3 or 4 for 50 the rest of the year. SD is still a passing team. ITs MNF in the spotlight, i expect them to come out throwing.

Do i expect 9 for 140? HELL NO. Can i see 4-5 catches for 75? Sure. a TD? Maybe, his height makes him a great red zone target, esp within 30 yards of teh end zone.

I would start him as a #3 guy.

 

[wistle]

Floyd 6'-5...KC DB's 5'-9 and 6'...

 

[Touchdown There]

Seems like a lot to go around and no real evidence that he'll produce big numbers even against KC. With Gates, Floyd, Nanee, Mathews and Sproles it could end up looking like a 3-55 type of day for Floyd. Personally I expect a lot of running from SD

this, and make that for the whole season. one of the bigger sucker picks i've ever seen. maybe he ends up being decent, but you are nuts if you spent anything higher than a 9th rounder on this guy (which i'm guessing none of you did).you don't just assume that a less talented wide wr steps into a better wr's spot and replicates his #'s.

Yes, it is much better to assume that no one is replaceable - ever. If you lose a talented guy, there are none left on the planet. Just like when Bulger went down for the Rams many years back. They had to throw a scrub backup QB in there by the name of Kurt Warner.USE SOME LOGIC GUY. Sometimes backups are better than the starters, just the way it is.

 

[Angus82]

Seems like a lot to go around and no real evidence that he'll produce big numbers even against KC. With Gates, Floyd, Nanee, Mathews and Sproles it could end up looking like a 3-55 type of day for Floyd. Personally I expect a lot of running from SD

this, and make that for the whole season. one of the bigger sucker picks i've ever seen. maybe he ends up being decent, but you are nuts if you spent anything higher than a 9th rounder on this guy (which i'm guessing none of you did).you don't just assume that a less talented wide wr steps into a better wr's spot and replicates his #'s.

Yes, it is much better to assume that no one is replaceable - ever. If you lose a talented guy, there are none left on the planet. Just like when Bulger went down for the Rams many years back. They had to throw a scrub backup QB in there by the name of Kurt Warner.USE SOME LOGIC GUY. Sometimes backups are better than the starters, just the way it is.

I can see that you are quite passionate but let us back down a little, Joey CAPITALLetti. We all love opinions but not so much the over reaction.

 

[shnikies]

Seems like a lot to go around and no real evidence that he'll produce big numbers even against KC. With Gates, Floyd, Nanee, Mathews and Sproles it could end up looking like a 3-55 type of day for Floyd. Personally I expect a lot of running from SD

this, and make that for the whole season. one of the bigger sucker picks i've ever seen. maybe he ends up being decent, but you are nuts if you spent anything higher than a 9th rounder on this guy (which i'm guessing none of you did).you don't just assume that a less talented wide wr steps into a better wr's spot and replicates his #'s.

Yes, it is much better to assume that no one is replaceable - ever. If you lose a talented guy, there are none left on the planet. Just like when Bulger went down for the Rams many years back. They had to throw a scrub backup QB in there by the name of Kurt Warner.USE SOME LOGIC GUY. Sometimes backups are better than the starters, just the way it is.

If it were Marc Bulger and not Trent Green you would have sounded a lot more intelligent. Since it wasn't Bulger, your whole post reeks of stupidity.

 

[kd1]

Seems like a lot to go around and no real evidence that he'll produce big numbers even against KC. With Gates, Floyd, Nanee, Mathews and Sproles it could end up looking like a 3-55 type of day for Floyd. Personally I expect a lot of running from SD

this, and make that for the whole season. one of the bigger sucker picks i've ever seen. maybe he ends up being decent, but you are nuts if you spent anything higher than a 9th rounder on this guy (which i'm guessing none of you did).you don't just assume that a less talented wide wr steps into a better wr's spot and replicates his #'s.

Yes, it is much better to assume that no one is replaceable - ever. If you lose a talented guy, there are none left on the planet. Just like when Bulger went down for the Rams many years back. They had to throw a scrub backup QB in there by the name of Kurt Warner.USE SOME LOGIC GUY. Sometimes backups are better than the starters, just the way it is.

huh? so you think he's better than vincent jackson? now that's logical.

 

[Touchdown There]

Seems like a lot to go around and no real evidence that he'll produce big numbers even against KC. With Gates, Floyd, Nanee, Mathews and Sproles it could end up looking like a 3-55 type of day for Floyd. Personally I expect a lot of running from SD

this, and make that for the whole season. one of the bigger sucker picks i've ever seen. maybe he ends up being decent, but you are nuts if you spent anything higher than a 9th rounder on this guy (which i'm guessing none of you did).you don't just assume that a less talented wide wr steps into a better wr's spot and replicates his #'s.

Yes, it is much better to assume that no one is replaceable - ever. If you lose a talented guy, there are none left on the planet. Just like when Bulger went down for the Rams many years back. They had to throw a scrub backup QB in there by the name of Kurt Warner.USE SOME LOGIC GUY. Sometimes backups are better than the starters, just the way it is.

If it were Marc Bulger and not Trent Green you would have sounded a lot more intelligent. Since it wasn't Bulger, your whole post reeks of stupidity.

Don't let a good point get ruined by facts. That is what happens when you are in an airport, about to board, and typing fast. Let me say it in bold "SORRY". By the way, my three year and six year old are not allowed to use the word "stupid". I hold them to a higher standard than the other children. Not sure how fact correction correlates to Warner starting the year holding the clip board until the #1 QB tore his ACL. He was clearly one of the best QBs of all time.Back to point, NFL players of 2010 are better than NFL player from the 1990s. Those players in the 90s were much better than the players in the 50s. Bodies are bigger and faster. The coaching and game plans are better. Even the pads are lighter and stronger. It just makes me cringe when people think that players are not replaceable. In this case, Floyd is very well thought of by the coaching staff and he certainly deserves the opportunity. No one said he was better. He could be better, he could have similar stats to VJax last year, or he could do much worse. We will see. The real excitement on Floyd was picking him up cheap in fantasy drafts when most people still though VJax was coming back.

I will make better use of underlining and bolding, just for you Angus82. It will make my sarcasm much more obvious, instead of perceived yelling.

 

[Touchdown There]

http://www.chargers.com/team/history/indiv...ds.html#rec-yds

http://www.chargers.com/team/history/indiv...cords.html#recs

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I do not see Vincent Jackson on either list. Lets compare him to the best anyway. Here is Vincent Jackson's stats:

2009 SD 15 15 68 1167 17.2 55 9 3 11 3.7 12 0

2008 SD 16 16 59 1098 18.6 60 7 4 69 17.2 31 0

2007 SD 16 16 41 623 15.2 45 3 0 0 0.0 0 0

2006 SD 16 7 27 453 16.8 55 6 3 16 5.3 8 0

2005 SD 8 0 3 59 19.7 21 0 0 0 0.0 0 0

And Randy Moss':

2009 NE 16 16 83 1264 15.2 71 13 0 0 0.0 0 0

2008 NE 16 16 69 1008 14.6 76 11 2 0 0.0 2 0

2007 NE 16 16 98 1493 15.2 65 23 0 0 0.0 0 0

2006 OAK 13 13 42 553 13.2 51 3 0 0 0.0 0 0

2005 OAK 16 15 60 1005 16.8 79 8 0 0 0.0 0 0

2004 MIN 13 13 49 767 15.7 82 13 0 0 0.0 0 0

2003 MIN 16 16 111 1632 14.7 72 17 6 18 3.0 11 0

2002 MIN 16 16 106 1347 12.7 60 7 6 51 8.5 25 0

2001 MIN 16 16 82 1233 15.0 73 10 3 38 12.7 18 0

2000 MIN 16 16 77 1437 18.7 78 15 3 5 1.7 9 0

1999 MIN 16 16 80 1413 17.7 67 11 4 43 10.8 15 0

1998 MIN 16 11 69 1313 19.0 61 17 1 4 4.0 4 0

A guy in the 1960s had more yards than him. If you want to start going into "irreplaceable" territory, it would be nice to see some mind blowing numbers.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I think if nfl teams were really all that smart they'd bench their starters and start their benches.

 

[spm3485]

Who would you guys rather start, Floyd or Crabtree this week? I'm leaning Floyd basically because I haven't see Crabtree this preseason at all, and even though the Seahawks secondary is bad, the non preseason scares me a bit. I saw Floyd gets 6 catches for 80 and solid chance at TD. Not so sure about the Crab man

 

[Touchdown There]

I think if nfl teams were really all that smart they'd bench their starters and start their benches.

You must have missed the "sometimes" part above. Not half the time, or most of the time. Sometimes the backup is better. Have you been drinking your own Kool Aid?

 

[Cookiemonster]

I, myself, am torn between Crabtree, a Dixon-led Ward, and Floyd. Right now, I'm leaning Crabtree.

 

[gary mexico]

Who would you guys rather start, Floyd or Crabtree this week? I'm leaning Floyd basically because I haven't see Crabtree this preseason at all, and even though the Seahawks secondary is bad, the non preseason scares me a bit. I saw Floyd gets 6 catches for 80 and solid chance at TD. Not so sure about the Crab man

Ive been going back and forth all week on that. Crab hasnt played and will be lined up against trufant all day. The seattle secondary isnt that good but trufant is. I think SF will be running the ball a ton but what pushes me over the edge on playing floyd is my qb is rivers and i love double dipping...

 

[The Jacket]

Floyd 6'-5...KC DB's 5'-9 and 6'...

Very overrated point in general. You could say this EVERY week. Not a single week in this year will the defense have a size advantage over Floyd. What's more important is targets, redzone looks and opposing coverage. Contrary to misinformed opinion, the Chiefs have a very solid set of starting corners (not so much the backups but you figure a starter will cover Floyd), and Eric Berry will help. Redzone? They'll be giving it to Gates and Matthews a lot more, one would think. Targets? You'd think 5-7. No more. As someone else pointed out, VJax didn't come close to approaching 9 or 10 per game, so there's no reason to expect Floyd to. I do think Floyd has good upside in this game, but if I had to bet on his statline it'd be something in the order of 4-65-0. They just don't need to jam it down his throat like some of the other WRs in the league on other teams. They'll run the ball a lot, they've got Gates who should run wild over the middle, and a couple other WRs who will compete for looks.

 

[Nagle2998]

Seems like a lot to go around and no real evidence that he'll produce big numbers even against KC. With Gates, Floyd, Nanee, Mathews and Sproles it could end up looking like a 3-55 type of day for Floyd. Personally I expect a lot of running from SD

this, and make that for the whole season. one of the bigger sucker picks i've ever seen. maybe he ends up being decent, but you are nuts if you spent anything higher than a 9th rounder on this guy (which i'm guessing none of you did).you don't just assume that a less talented wide wr steps into a better wr's spot and replicates his #'s.

Yes, it is much better to assume that no one is replaceable - ever. If you lose a talented guy, there are none left on the planet. Just like when Bulger went down for the Rams many years back. They had to throw a scrub backup QB in there by the name of Kurt Warner.USE SOME LOGIC GUY. Sometimes backups are better than the starters, just the way it is.

First huge difference because Warner at that time never got a chance to show what he can do on the field because you only play one Qb at a time unlike Wr. In SD Floyd has had 6 years to prove he is a number one and really before the last two SD really never had a stud Wr while Floyd was there. If we were talking about Breaston yes I could see the arguement because he has been stuck behind two very good players while Floyd has been on the field and really hasn't proven much. Also unless Floyd has grown over the summer I believe he has been 6'5 his whole career and hasn't really taken advantage of the smaller CB's. Now there will also be a player every now and then that proves you wrong but there is nothing that Floyd has shown that says he is a top flight Wr but I think Crabtree has and if he is playing to me I go with the proven guy over the what if.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I was thinking the same thing. The projections have him for what, 4 catches?

In the preseason games I saw (and yes it's just preseason) but Rivers was looking for him early and often. I expect him to get at least 9-12 targets and a few of those have to be deep balls.

I would've predicted like 6-7 catches and more like 90 yards or so.

Targets from last year.....AJ: 171 targets

Fitz: 153 targets

Wayne: 148 targets

Moss: 138 targets

Vincent Jackson: 107 targets (played in 15 games for an average of 7 per game).

So you are saying you expect Floyd to get 9 to 12 targets in week 1... 9 targets a week over the course of a year would be 144 targets on the year... If you want to start putting him in that breath week 1 then i would take the under.... Also V-Jax had more then 9 targets a year ago a grand total of 3 times and only got to 12 targets one time... I would bet against him getting 9-12 targets in week 1.

Excellent post.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Seems like a lot to go around and no real evidence that he'll produce big numbers even against KC. With Gates, Floyd, Nanee, Mathews and Sproles it could end up looking like a 3-55 type of day for Floyd. Personally I expect a lot of running from SD

this, and make that for the whole season. one of the bigger sucker picks i've ever seen. maybe he ends up being decent, but you are nuts if you spent anything higher than a 9th rounder on this guy (which i'm guessing none of you did).you don't just assume that a less talented wide wr steps into a better wr's spot and replicates his #'s.

Yes, it is much better to assume that no one is replaceable - ever. If you lose a talented guy, there are none left on the planet. Just like when Bulger went down for the Rams many years back. They had to throw a scrub backup QB in there by the name of Kurt Warner.USE SOME LOGIC GUY. Sometimes backups are better than the starters, just the way it is.

First huge difference because Warner at that time never got a chance to show what he can do on the field because you only play one Qb at a time unlike Wr. In SD Floyd has had 6 years to prove he is a number one and really before the last two SD really never had a stud Wr while Floyd was there. If we were talking about Breaston yes I could see the arguement because he has been stuck behind two very good players while Floyd has been on the field and really hasn't proven much. Also unless Floyd has grown over the summer I believe he has been 6'5 his whole career and hasn't really taken advantage of the smaller CB's. Now there will also be a player every now and then that proves you wrong but there is nothing that Floyd has shown that says he is a top flight Wr but I think Crabtree has and if he is playing to me I go with the proven guy over the what if.

Perhaps then you could tell us who the #1 WR in San Diego is? (and please, don't answer Gates because he was the de facto #1 the past 2 years when VJax put up great stats)

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Seems like a lot to go around and no real evidence that he'll produce big numbers even against KC. With Gates, Floyd, Nanee, Mathews and Sproles it could end up looking like a 3-55 type of day for Floyd. Personally I expect a lot of running from SD

this, and make that for the whole season. one of the bigger sucker picks i've ever seen. maybe he ends up being decent, but you are nuts if you spent anything higher than a 9th rounder on this guy (which i'm guessing none of you did).you don't just assume that a less talented wide wr steps into a better wr's spot and replicates his #'s.

Yes, it is much better to assume that no one is replaceable - ever. If you lose a talented guy, there are none left on the planet. Just like when Bulger went down for the Rams many years back. They had to throw a scrub backup QB in there by the name of Kurt Warner.USE SOME LOGIC GUY. Sometimes backups are better than the starters, just the way it is.

First huge difference because Warner at that time never got a chance to show what he can do on the field because you only play one Qb at a time unlike Wr. In SD Floyd has had 6 years to prove he is a number one and really before the last two SD really never had a stud Wr while Floyd was there. If we were talking about Breaston yes I could see the arguement because he has been stuck behind two very good players while Floyd has been on the field and really hasn't proven much. Also unless Floyd has grown over the summer I believe he has been 6'5 his whole career and hasn't really taken advantage of the smaller CB's. Now there will also be a player every now and then that proves you wrong but there is nothing that Floyd has shown that says he is a top flight Wr but I think Crabtree has and if he is playing to me I go with the proven guy over the what if.

The "proven guy"?

Crabtree hasn't had a game over 81 yards in his very young career. I'd say with a guy like Crabtree wait until he finally shows up. That San Fran offense is never going to be a big passing offense except every once in a blue moon even if Crabtree continues advancing.

Floyd has paid his dues over the years and his stats last year were comparable to Jackson's the year before he broke out. The Chargers played one game without Jackson and Floyd as the starter as WR1 did great.