Male Teen Has Consensual Sex with Female Teen. He Gets 25 Years as Sex (1 Viewer)

[SoBeDad]

A question for all those saying, "he should have carded her".

If an 18 year old (gender doesn't matter) goes to a bar and shows a fake id (that does look like the person) and something happens, doesn't the bar get in trouble?

So what happens if the 14 year old showed a fake id in this situation to the guy?

He's still guilty. Statutory rape is a strict liabaility crime. Mistake of age, even if that mistake is based on her lying, is not a defense.

But that is why law is being changed in multiple states. The original laws didn't anticipate all scenarios.

 

[johnnycakes]

feel bad for the guy but 14 year olds are still in junior high...he couldn't tell the difference? come on

Lots of 17 year-olds don't have much upstairs and those that have been around very well may mow the grass down below.

14 year olds have grass down below.

I'll take your word for it.

 

[Mario Kart]

https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/how-i-dressed-when-i-was-14-vs-how-14-year-old-121608996322.html

What a difference a few years makes.

Child development specialist and body image expert Dr. Robyn Silverman says that while teenage fashions have indeed evolved, it’s not due to a change in kids or in parenting styles, but rather it’s a result of endless media messages regarding sex appeal. “The way girls dress today is not based on a new kind of girl but rather the intense media and societal pressure for girls to present themselves as sexy objects,” she tells Yahoo Parenting. “Media messages happen 24/7 in today’s world, as opposed to decades ago when drips of pressure happened only periodically in fashion magazines that came to the house, through passing billboards on the street or in certain movies.”

Girls dress older. Girls lie about age. Should someone be charged with a crime where there is deception by one party?

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

If you are out of high school and you are looking for high school girls, you deserve everything you get.

What if she's 18. What if the guy graduated just a few months before and they're both 17.

 

[sbonomo]

There are some crazy judges out there. The kid should definitely appeal and hopefully get this over turned.

 

[D-Day]

Could the boy sue the girl and/or parents for his legal problems due to her lying?

 

[Bucky86]

Could the boy sue the girl and/or parents for his legal problems due to her lying?

He still broke the law.

 

[cstu]

.What if a senior dates a junior? He's gotta dump her after graduation? The whole argument is absurd.

First, assuming she just finished her junior year she would likely be seventeen years old, and in nearly all states sex with a seventeen year old is legal.Second, some states have proximity in age exemptions. For example, if the stautury rape age is seventeen, a seventeen year old having sex with a sixteen year old would not be treated the same as a nineteen year old having sex with that sixteen year old.

Shiek don't care. If you're 19, don't go sniffing after hs girls.

How about keeping your girls away from 19 year olds?

feel bad for the guy but 14 year olds are still in junior high...he couldn't tell the difference? come on

Lots of 17 year-olds don't have much upstairs and those that have been around very well may mow the grass down below.

14 year olds have grass down below.

I'll take your word for it.

My girlfriend when I was 17 was still 14 when we started dating.

 

[AcerFC]

There are kids in my wifes HS that range from 20-13. Just saying

 

[D-Day]

Could the boy sue the girl and/or parents for his legal problems due to her lying?

He still broke the law.

He broke the law based upon the information she provided

 

[Bucky86]

Could the boy sue the girl and/or parents for his legal problems due to her lying?

He still broke the law.

He broke the law based upon the information she provided

Ignorance is not a defense.

I'm not saying I agree with the punishment.

 

[D-Day]

I understand he is getting punished. I am just asking if he has a case against the girl who lied to him, thus, at least partially causing him to commit the crime.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I understand he is getting punished. I am just asking if he has a case against the girl who lied to him, thus, at least partially causing him to commit the crime.

Dont think u can sue minors

 

[jonessed]

I understand he is getting punished. I am just asking if he has a case against the girl who lied to him, thus, at least partially causing him to commit the crime.

No, he doesn't.

 

[trader jake]

I dont know where you draw the line? The guy was 19, the girl, 14. Yep, she lied, but what if the guy was 25? Would you feel bad for him then? I dont know what the answer is, but a 19 year old being with a 14 year old isnt right IMO.

He didn't know she was 14. I was over 18 and my wife under when we first "hooked up." Not unusual for 18+yo males to have sex with 17yo girls. No way should they have their life ruined because of it.

Most states have 16 as the age, not 18. Like I said, I dont know what the answer is, but I know ignorance doesnt excuse one from the law.

And she said she was 17. What's he supposed to do, card her?

If he doesn't know her then yes. I know this case is stupid, but not every one is. As stupid as the thought of "carding" some girl that wants to sleep with you as far as the law is concerned ignorance is not an excuse.

You can laugh, but who makes the choice on whether it was plausible for the kid to believe she was the age she said she was? Do you want individual judges making the call?

What are those judges doing now? Seems like this judge's sentence would be a good example of just that.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I dont know where you draw the line? The guy was 19, the girl, 14. Yep, she lied, but what if the guy was 25? Would you feel bad for him then? I dont know what the answer is, but a 19 year old being with a 14 year old isnt right IMO.

He didn't know she was 14. I was over 18 and my wife under when we first "hooked up." Not unusual for 18+yo males to have sex with 17yo girls. No way should they have their life ruined because of it.

Most states have 16 as the age, not 18. Like I said, I dont know what the answer is, but I know ignorance doesnt excuse one from the law.

And she said she was 17. What's he supposed to do, card her?

If he doesn't know her then yes. I know this case is stupid, but not every one is. As stupid as the thought of "carding" some girl that wants to sleep with you as far as the law is concerned ignorance is not an excuse.

You can laugh, but who makes the choice on whether it was plausible for the kid to believe she was the age she said she was? Do you want individual judges making the call?

What are those judges doing now? Seems like this judge's sentence would be a good example of just that.

Kramer: Who should be the judges and juries of our society?!?!?

Jerry: Judges and juries!

 

[PatsWillWin]

I understand he is getting punished. I am just asking if he has a case against the girl who lied to him, thus, at least partially causing him to commit the crime.

Strict liability means strict liability. He could've taken a photocopy of her ID and passport. If they were fake and it turns out she's under rage, he's busted.

You'd hope a judge would have some sense in such a situation, but obviously that's not always the case.

 

[johnnycakes]

On a serious note, you can get audio books full of horror stories. Play it on your iPad or whatever and be scared along with the kids!

 

[Mr. Cross]

I really feel for this man. It is really hard to tell sometimes how old a girl is.

 

[Cjw_55106]

I really feel for this man. It is really hard to tell sometimes how old a girl is.

I dont feel like you should have an opinion here. Didnt you marry a second grader?

 

[AcerFC]

I really feel for this man. It is really hard to tell sometimes how old a girl is.

I dont feel like you should have an opinion here. Didnt you marry a second grader?

lol

 

[NutterButter]

One of you rich bastards should give this guy a job to help him get his life back in order.

Chet can get him a job babysitting his daughter.

He can be the manny

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

I dont know where you draw the line? The guy was 19, the girl, 14. Yep, she lied, but what if the guy was 25? Would you feel bad for him then? I dont know what the answer is, but a 19 year old being with a 14 year old isnt right IMO.

He didn't know she was 14. I was over 18 and my wife under when we first "hooked up." Not unusual for 18+yo males to have sex with 17yo girls. No way should they have their life ruined because of it.

Most states have 16 as the age, not 18. Like I said, I dont know what the answer is, but I know ignorance doesnt excuse one from the law.

And she said she was 17. What's he supposed to do, card her?

If he doesn't know her then yes. I know this case is stupid, but not every one is. As stupid as the thought of "carding" some girl that wants to sleep with you as far as the law is concerned ignorance is not an excuse.

You're laughing but statutory rape is commonly a strict liability offense. Which means that if you sleep with a teenager you don't really know after you've reached the age of majority, you are ignoring a not insignificant risk that you are engaging in a sex crime.

 

[3C's]

I dont know where you draw the line? The guy was 19, the girl, 14. Yep, she lied, but what if the guy was 25? Would you feel bad for him then? I dont know what the answer is, but a 19 year old being with a 14 year old isnt right IMO.

He didn't know she was 14. I was over 18 and my wife under when we first "hooked up." Not unusual for 18+yo males to have sex with 17yo girls. No way should they have their life ruined because of it.

Most states have 16 as the age, not 18. Like I said, I dont know what the answer is, but I know ignorance doesnt excuse one from the law.

And she said she was 17. What's he supposed to do, card her?

If he doesn't know her then yes. I know this case is stupid, but not every one is. As stupid as the thought of "carding" some girl that wants to sleep with you as far as the law is concerned ignorance is not an excuse.

You're laughing but statutory rape is commonly a strict liability offense. Which means that if you sleep with a teenager you don't really know after you've reached the age of majority, you are ignoring a not insignificant risk that you are engaging in a sex crime.

See my later posts. No way in hell any 19yo is going to card a girl before having sex. Not a chance...

 

[jonessed]

I dont know where you draw the line? The guy was 19, the girl, 14. Yep, she lied, but what if the guy was 25? Would you feel bad for him then? I dont know what the answer is, but a 19 year old being with a 14 year old isnt right IMO.

He didn't know she was 14. I was over 18 and my wife under when we first "hooked up." Not unusual for 18+yo males to have sex with 17yo girls. No way should they have their life ruined because of it.

Most states have 16 as the age, not 18. Like I said, I dont know what the answer is, but I know ignorance doesnt excuse one from the law.

And she said she was 17. What's he supposed to do, card her?

If he doesn't know her then yes. I know this case is stupid, but not every one is. As stupid as the thought of "carding" some girl that wants to sleep with you as far as the law is concerned ignorance is not an excuse.

You're laughing but statutory rape is commonly a strict liability offense. Which means that if you sleep with a teenager you don't really know after you've reached the age of majority, you are ignoring a not insignificant risk that you are engaging in a sex crime.

See my later posts. No way in hell any 19yo is going to card a girl before having sex. Not a chance...

Maybe a college course on the ineffectiveness of the "I was horny" defense would be appropriate.

 

[3C's]

I dont know where you draw the line? The guy was 19, the girl, 14. Yep, she lied, but what if the guy was 25? Would you feel bad for him then? I dont know what the answer is, but a 19 year old being with a 14 year old isnt right IMO.

He didn't know she was 14. I was over 18 and my wife under when we first "hooked up." Not unusual for 18+yo males to have sex with 17yo girls. No way should they have their life ruined because of it.

Most states have 16 as the age, not 18. Like I said, I dont know what the answer is, but I know ignorance doesnt excuse one from the law.

And she said she was 17. What's he supposed to do, card her?

If he doesn't know her then yes. I know this case is stupid, but not every one is. As stupid as the thought of "carding" some girl that wants to sleep with you as far as the law is concerned ignorance is not an excuse.

You're laughing but statutory rape is commonly a strict liability offense. Which means that if you sleep with a teenager you don't really know after you've reached the age of majority, you are ignoring a not insignificant risk that you are engaging in a sex crime.

See my later posts. No way in hell any 19yo is going to card a girl before having sex. Not a chance...

Maybe a college course on the ineffectiveness of the "I was horny" defense would be appropriate.

Little head told the big head to go for it.

 

[Cjw_55106]

This judge gave a woman 10 days in jail for cursing when she paid a traffic ticket. He's a pos and should be removed from the bench.

The guy may be a pos, but two incidents doesnt convince me I guess. (this assumes you think he did wrong in said incidents)

 

[Homer J Simpson]

There are kids in my wifes HS that range from 20-13. Just saying

Your wife is in high school?

Sweet.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

When I was a freshman in college there was a girl in one of the dorms who was 15. She was very fully developed, quite forward sexually, and had no apparent guardian restricting access to her as a minor. She came and went as any other freshman girl would. There was no reasonable notice to believe she was less than 18 and she was not terribly forthcoming with that fact. After a time it was fairly well known, but certainly not during the first few weeks of the year.

Whether she was an emancipated minor I do not know, but my thought then and now was that generally that happened no earlier than 16 years of age.

 

[tommyboy]

I'd have done her

 

[renesauz]

I'm amazed that anyone could think that kind of punishment was "justice".

I don't think he should completely escape punishment, but his life shouldn't be permanently scarred from consensual sex with a lying kid only 5 years younger than him. It's a stupid application of a poorly written law.

 

[renesauz]

A question for all those saying, "he should have carded her".

If an 18 year old (gender doesn't matter) goes to a bar and shows a fake id (that does look like the person) and something happens, doesn't the bar get in trouble?

So what happens if the 14 year old showed a fake id in this situation to the guy?

Yes, but the bar's liability is relatively limited unless they are shown to have a pattern of allowing under-age kids in and serving them.

The problem is that the law as written is too black and white, it doesn't recognize the many shades of grey in between two 15 y.o kids having sex in band camp and a 40 y.o. pervert enticing a 12 y.o. girl into his bedroom. Whether she's willing or not, we all recognize the 40 y.o. perv deserves harsh punishment and a lifetime on the sex offender list. This kid in this scenario does not deserve that kind of punishment.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Kind of diminishes the sex offender registry.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I'm amazed that anyone could think that kind of punishment was "justice".

I don't think he should completely escape punishment, but his life shouldn't be permanently scarred from consensual sex with a lying kid only 5 years younger than him. It's a stupid application of a poorly written law.

Cant the judge use some discretion here? Iirc this judge has a pretty bad track record.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Kind of diminishes the sex offender registry.

Yup. Like letting Curtis Martin into the HOF. Kinda lowers the bar.