Mangini the NY JETS coach (1 Viewer)

[Chase Stuart]

It looks like the Jets could trade Abraham, but it would have to be within a certain time-frame. Buffalo traded Price in late March, so that would probably work here.I really don't see a reason to trade him though. He's relatively young, he's an impact player, and the Jets are going to have a huge hole to fill if he's gone. Even if they rebuild, they're going to need a player exactly like him when they're contending to go far.When the Bills traded Price, I think they were taking advantage of an inflated perception of his talent, which was that he was worth as much as a first round pick.

 

[Bri]

Ellis is a solid DE and Thomas is no slouch. I don't see it as a huge hole to fill. They might miss the star factor but who knows maybe Ellis will become that. IMO he's always been underappreciated

 

[Patoons]

Ellis is a solid DE and Thomas is no slouch. I don't see it as a huge hole to fill. They might miss the star factor but who knows maybe Ellis will become that. IMO he's always been underappreciated

I agree- I think now is the time to move Abraham. Thomas seems to have finally come into his own. Yea, we'll miss the game-changing ability, but I think we can get some big-time value for him.Garrard and a second or third (wish list)...

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Garrard and a second or third (wish list)...

doubtful that Jacksonville would be a good fit as that would probably give them the most expensive defensive line in the league by far.

 

[Rovers]

It looks like the Jets could trade Abraham, but it would have to be within a certain time-frame. Buffalo traded Price in late March, so that would probably work here.

I really don't see a reason to trade him though. He's relatively young, he's an impact player, and the Jets are going to have a huge hole to fill if he's gone. Even if they rebuild, they're going to need a player exactly like him when they're contending to go far.

When the Bills traded Price, I think they were taking advantage of an inflated perception of his talent, which was that he was worth as much as a first round pick.

IMO, Abraham is over rated, and is a top ten DE, not a top five, but he wants to be the highest paid DE in the NFL from what I've read. Thomas has been very slow to develop, but showed some signs this year. For a 20 mil signing bonus, I think Abraham is a boat anchor on a team with cap problems. I predict he'll get the tag again..... when no team will ante up to his salary demands, he'll simply get cut. The tag can be lifted, and that is what I expect to see happen. Mangini is the wild card here..... what are the expectations of the FO? If it's to rebuild, Abraham is a goner for sure. The rest of the Jets D is pretty young, and locked up. If the FO unreasonably expect this team to be a playoff contender next year, it will be a nightmare for all involved, and set the whole franchise back years.

 

[tombonneau]

FYI, in regards vacant DC position, rumor is that Jim Bates is BB's man. His recent resignation from GB certainly adds serious fuel to that fire.

 

[mario8723]

Just as an aside (and btw I am thrilled with the news), there goes any chance of T.O. coming to the Jets. No way does Bradway & Co. let that moron come into a situation with a 1st-year head coach. Herman Edwards as coach is one thing, but Mangini is another...'Course, I don't want to see T.O. south of the U.S.-Canadian border anyway, but that's another story

 

[Koya]

I don't think this will end well for the Jets. Young guys, even the "geniuses" like Belichick, need someplace to screw up first. You learn from your mistakes, and on your second try you get it right. It just seems way to much to ask for a 35 year old with that little experience to take over the whole team. Look at Belichick's first coaching gig... it was a disaster. I have a bad feeling this guy will learn how to coach with the Jets, but in doing so get himself fired - and then eventually become a good coach elsewhere. It doesnt seem wise to take the risk of being the franchise he learned with - not won with.

 

[Rovers]

I don't think this will end well for the Jets.

Young guys, even the "geniuses" like Belichick, need someplace to screw up first. You learn from your mistakes, and on your second try you get it right.

It just seems way to much to ask for a 35 year old with that little experience to take over the whole team. Look at Belichick's first coaching gig... it was a disaster.

I have a bad feeling this guy will learn how to coach with the Jets, but in doing so get himself fired - and then eventually become a good coach elsewhere.

It doesnt seem wise to take the risk of being the franchise he learned with - not won with.

People like to hold up Belichick as the example, but Gruden, Fox and several others have also been successful. Mangini is Mangini..... it may, or it may not work,but because it didn't work for Belichick isn't a good reason to think Mangini won't be successful.

 

[NFL Sunday Ticket]

i think its a good move for the jets. seriously, what do they have to lose? anything is an improvement over what they had. if nothing more, you get someone who is considered a defensive mastermind. defense wins games and i think a defensive-minded head coach is what the jets need at this point.not to mention there is no one ready to take the reigns on the pats staff right now. this move hurts the pats more than losing crennell last year because most people knew mangini was very capable of being the coordinator. having to look outside the organization for a DC is not good for the pats imo. belicheck had groomed this guy for quite a few years. im sure he would have liked to get 5 or so years out of him in order to get someone else up to speed as a replacement.

 

[-OZ-]

Just as an aside (and btw I am thrilled with the news), there goes any chance of T.O. coming to the Jets. No way does Bradway & Co. let that moron come into a situation with a 1st-year head coach. Herman Edwards as coach is one thing, but Mangini is another...

Yep.I don't love the hire, don't hate it for the Jets. I personally would have gone for a proven college coach like Stoops or Tressel, but they may not have been available.

 

[Gatorman]

The real question is will the jets give the guy time to put everything in place? The jets have a long history of not giving their coaches a chance to succeed. Pete Carroll comes to mind as a shining example.The Jets will be the #3 team in the division next year behind NE and Miami (The Bill situation is still up in the air), with salary cap issues from the Penington deal, and a new (young) head coach. To expect more than 8 wins next year is unrealistic, but since the jets thought they were headed for greatness this year, will Gang Green give this guy a chance to rebuild? How hard it is going to be to coach in a division with Saban and BB for any coach, even one who has somewhat of a clue as to how those two coaches gameplan?

 

[Bri]

The real question is will the jets give the guy time to put everything in place? The jets have a long history of not giving their coaches a chance to succeed. Pete Carroll comes to mind as a shining example.

I haven't had my coffee yet. Wasn't he a Jets DC and Pats Coach? not jets coach?

 

[zamboni]

The real question is will the jets give the guy time to put everything in place?  The jets have a long history of not giving their coaches a chance to succeed.  Pete Carroll comes to mind as a shining example.

I haven't had my coffee yet. Wasn't he a Jets DC and Pats Coach? not jets coach?

Carroll was head coach for the Jets, albeit not for very long.His lasting legacy is him making the choking sign with his hands when Pete Stoyanovich(?) missed a critical kick against the Jets.

 

[Bri]

How hard it is going to be to coach in a division with Saban and BB for any coach, even one who has somewhat of a clue as to how those two coaches gameplan?

Probably every Jet fan wants to know. It's an interesting Q.

 

[Reaper]

This is much more than just a HC signing. It signals a shift in power away from Bradway to Tannenbaum (Tice was Bradway's choice) and also most likely means that old ties to washed up players will be cut, and the offense will be rebuilt. This is more important to me than the actual caoching hire. As a Jets fan, I think it's the right direction, and I'm orgasmically thrilled.

AGREED.....What the Jets lacked more than anything was a Defined PLAN...

They picked Systems out of thin air running a WCO back when they had Vinny and older Vets who were used to another system - They tried some sort of 3-4 / Tampa hybrid making players like Ellis gain weight and try to play the nose... Then they fired those coaches and tried something else... ALL of this making it hard to draft and get FA's for your "System" when you don't even have one...

Mangini will probabaly make clock and field mistakes too - But, hopefully our drafts, FA's and the TEAM will all be in sync....

While I hated Bradway - He always seemed like he had a great grasp of the draft eligible players and now hopefully Mangini will help him get players for his system where I don't think Herm was much of a Talent evaluator any way you look at it.

Bradway stated he needs to work a lot harder - He's saying the right things, I'm giving him a 2nd chance.

 

[Bri]

The real question is will the jets give the guy time to put everything in place?  The jets have a long history of not giving their coaches a chance to succeed.  Pete Carroll comes to mind as a shining example.

I haven't had my coffee yet. Wasn't he a Jets DC and Pats Coach? not jets coach?

Carroll was head coach for the Jets, albeit not for very long.His lasting legacy is him making the choking sign with his hands when Pete Stoyanovich(?) missed a critical kick against the Jets.

this didn't help, sorry but HC of Jets then "against the Jets" Went to PFR

HC of Jets in 94, Pats HC for a few years after that

 

[Reaper]

Ellis is a solid DE and Thomas is no slouch. I don't see it as a huge hole to fill. They might miss the star factor but who knows maybe Ellis will become that. IMO he's always been underappreciated

I agree- I think now is the time to move Abraham. Thomas seems to have finally come into his own. Yea, we'll miss the game-changing ability, but I think we can get some big-time value for him.Garrard and a second or third (wish list)...

And When you try to figure all this out, figure the possibility of more 3/4 fronts...What we need most is a big body in the middle... But, It'll be interesting toi see a New England opinion of guys like Abe and Robertson.

 

[Reaper]

The real question is will the jets give the guy time to put everything in place? The jets have a long history of not giving their coaches a chance to succeed. Pete Carroll comes to mind as a shining example.

The Jets will be the #3 team in the division next year behind NE and Miami (The Bill situation is still up in the air), with salary cap issues from the Penington deal, and a new (young) head coach. To expect more than 8 wins next year is unrealistic, but since the jets thought they were headed for greatness this year, will Gang Green give this guy a chance to rebuild?

How hard it is going to be to coach in a division with Saban and BB for any coach, even one who has somewhat of a clue as to how those two coaches gameplan?

In today's NFL - I think Rebuilding is a 3 year window:Year 1 - Play the team as is for the most part and get a feel for the team

Year 2 - Weed out the players not "On Board" and get a few more wins

Year 3- Go for it.... With Year 4 as well...

The Jets have a pretty good defense and I think Mangini, being in the AFC east and around the Jets for so long already has a pretty good feel for what he has... So, he has a head start on step 1...

Really it's the Offense that needs to be rebuilt.... I think Mangini can work well with that defense.... Maybe Abe should go which will give them a lot of flexibility to spend the Money elsewhere - Possibly draft the top LB Hawk and go 3-4.

 

[Bri]

Ellis is a solid DE and Thomas is no slouch. I don't see it as a huge hole to fill. They might miss the star factor but who knows maybe Ellis will become that. IMO he's always been underappreciated

I agree- I think now is the time to move Abraham. Thomas seems to have finally come into his own. Yea, we'll miss the game-changing ability, but I think we can get some big-time value for him.Garrard and a second or third (wish list)...

And When you try to figure all this out, figure the possibility of more 3/4 fronts...What we need most is a big body in the middle... But, It'll be interesting toi see a New England opinion of guys like Abe and Robertson.

If I have draft picks, players to trade, and $ to make some moves and I'm a new coach, I'm getting a big @ to put in the middle. A Sam Adams Ted Washington type. It makes the D easier to play easier to coach etc with a plug in there. Robertson is a promising young guy so there'd have to be a plan for him but I'd still get that big guy for the middle.

 

[zamboni]

The real question is will the jets give the guy time to put everything in place?  The jets have a long history of not giving their coaches a chance to succeed.  Pete Carroll comes to mind as a shining example.

I haven't had my coffee yet. Wasn't he a Jets DC and Pats Coach? not jets coach?

Carroll was head coach for the Jets, albeit not for very long.His lasting legacy is him making the choking sign with his hands when Pete Stoyanovich(?) missed a critical kick against the Jets.

this didn't help, sorry but HC of Jets then "against the Jets" Went to PFR

HC of Jets in 94, Pats HC for a few years after that

I meant "against the Jets" in terms of the Dolphins kicker (Stoyanovich) missing the kick against the Jets, while Carroll was coaching the Jets.

 

[Bri]

I gotcha now man. I was still confused then. Thanks for trying though

 

[ooofffaaa]

I find it odd that the Jets 2 top candidates (Mangina & Tice) were not interviewed by any other team. Especially since there are so many openings in the league right now.I think Mangina will be a good coach in a few years but he will definitely have some growing pains.New York is not a patient place in regards to Head Coaches.

 

[Bri]

Mangini was scooped up fast. I don't think other teams had a chance to interview him. Tice, I thought he did interview elsewhere

 

[nygiants56]

I'm very interested in seeing who Mangini brings in to run the offense. 

Agreed - seems likely that the Heimerdinger offense will cease before it even had a chance to be implemented.

ESPN radio (Mike and Mike)were saying Heimerdinger will likely go to Denver to work for Shanny, if Kubiak leaves..Heimerdinger is one of Shanahan's best friends apparently..

 

[nygiants56]

not to sound sarcastic, but what are Mangini's credentials to be a HC??not up to speed on his career up to this point, can someone fill me in?thanks!Jets shoulda fired Herm LAST year, and hired Crennel..

 

[ThisGuy]

MY GOD did Naimath sell this franchise's soul when he beat the Colts or what?!?They have to get rid of Bradway, that would be a good start.This move reeks of the second coming of Rich Kotite.

 

[Chase Stuart]

The real question is will the jets give the guy time to put everything in place? The jets have a long history of not giving their coaches a chance to succeed. Pete Carroll comes to mind as a shining example.

The Jets will be the #3 team in the division next year behind NE and Miami (The Bill situation is still up in the air), with salary cap issues from the Penington deal, and a new (young) head coach. To expect more than 8 wins next year is unrealistic, but since the jets thought they were headed for greatness this year, will Gang Green give this guy a chance to rebuild?

How hard it is going to be to coach in a division with Saban and BB for any coach, even one who has somewhat of a clue as to how those two coaches gameplan?

Off the top of my head, I can't think of anyone in the Jets organization that was around when Carroll was fired and is still around. I don't see the relevance there.I understand the enthusiasm behind the 'Fins right now, but I'd say the Dolphins are closer to the Jets than the Patriots. You'll probably disagree and it's not worth getting into a debate at this early point in the off-season. Just my .02.

 

[Chase Stuart]

not to sound sarcastic, but what are Mangini's credentials to be a HC??

not up to speed on his career up to this point, can someone fill me in?

thanks!

Jets shoulda fired Herm LAST year, and hired Crennel..

MY GOD did Naimath sell this franchise's soul when he beat the Colts or what?!?

They have to get rid of Bradway, that would be a good start.

This move reeks of the second coming of Rich Kotite.

Exactly what credentials did you what? A guy with 2 SB rings? A guy with multiple years of playoff experience?The best candidate available from a "resume" standpoint is Mike Sherman, and there's a good deal of debate as to how good he really is, since he was fired after one bad season.

Everyone has to start somewhere, and an inexperienced coach with great potential is much better than a retread.

 

[ooofffaaa]

I understand the enthusiasm behind the 'Fins right now, but I'd say the Dolphins are closer to the Jets than the Patriots. You'll probably disagree and it's not worth getting into a debate at this early point in the off-season. Just my .02.

As soon as your ready to debate that topic let me know. I'm here for you.The Fins are in much better shape than the Jets right now in a lot of areas. Salary cap & coaches & philosophies in place are just 2 I can think of right now.

 

[jcjets]

Rebuilding? The Jet are so far over the cap with their current players that all the new coach can do his first year is cut players and hope the young guys can play. Don't expect many signings at all in the off season.According to NFL Players Association records, the Jets already have $120 million committed to the 2006 salary cap among 50 players. Five players - Chad Pennington, Ty Law, Laveranues Coles, Curtis Martin and Jay Fiedler - account for nearly $50 million of the total.Pennington will count $12 million toward the Jets' salary cap in 2006 and the team would take a $12 million hit if it was forced to cut him.Martin is due to count $8.1 million against the 2006 salary cap, a high number for any player, let alone one nearing the end of his career. The Jets could save $6.2 million by releasing him after June 1.At least the team will know its in a rebuilding phase, great for coaches and young players. Bad for the veterans and the on field leadership.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I understand the enthusiasm behind the 'Fins right now, but I'd say the Dolphins are closer to the Jets than the Patriots. You'll probably disagree and it's not worth getting into a debate at this early point in the off-season. Just my .02.

As soon as your ready to debate that topic let me know. I'm here for you.The Fins are in much better shape than the Jets right now in a lot of areas. Salary cap & coaches & philosophies in place are just 2 I can think of right now.

That's not what I said. I don't disagree that the Fins' outlook is shinier than the Jets, but that Miami is closer to NE than New York. Obviously the next 6 months will clear things up, the the 6 months after that will turn everything upside down.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Rebuilding? The Jet are so far over the cap with their current players that all the new coach can do his first year is cut players and hope the young guys can play. Don't expect many signings at all in the off season.

According to NFL Players Association records, the Jets already have $120 million committed to the 2006 salary cap among 50 players. Five players - Chad Pennington, Ty Law, Laveranues Coles, Curtis Martin and Jay Fiedler - account for nearly $50 million of the total.

Pennington will count $12 million toward the Jets' salary cap in 2006 and the team would take a $12 million hit if it was forced to cut him.

Martin is due to count $8.1 million against the 2006 salary cap, a high number for any player, let alone one nearing the end of his career. The Jets could save $6.2 million by releasing him after June 1.

At least the team will know its in a rebuilding phase, great for coaches and young players. Bad for the veterans and the on field leadership.

Law is gone ($11M)Fiedler will be gone

Pennington, Coles and Martin (and Mawae) will re-structure their contracts if necessary.

Signing Abraham to a long-term deal with make his situation more palatable

Dose that cap number include Chrebet retiring? I sure hope not.

 

[brednbuddah]

press conference to be held at 4p EST, 660 AM WFAN in NYC.

 

[Shrek]

Llink to live feed of press conference

Need Real Player, I think

 

[Statorama]

everytime I see this dudes name I think of Eddie Griffin in the Deuce Bigalow movies saying "Mangina"

 

[Shrek]

everytime I see this dudes name I think of Eddie Griffin in the Deuce Bigalow movies saying "Mangina"

Well, if the preceding 200 times he has been called this on the board is any indication, I would say a lot of other people think the same thing.

 

[Statorama]

everytime I see this dudes name I think of Eddie Griffin in the Deuce Bigalow movies saying "Mangina"

Well, if the preceding 200 times he has been called this on the board is any indication, I would say a lot of other people think the same thing.

Shoot...knew I should have read this thing.

 

[Bri]

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr...1_14_06/?page=2

I didn't know Mangini turned down Raiders DC position a couple years ago

 

[Rovers]

MY GOD did Naimath sell this franchise's soul when he beat the Colts or what?!?

They have to get rid of Bradway, that would be a good start.

This move reeks of the second coming of Rich Kotite.

Tell ya what, after Coughlin's disappearance as a HC against Carolina, a stunt that ven Tiki ridiculed, yer hardly in a position to make fun of the Jets new hire.

 

[Patoons]

This move reeks of the second coming of Rich Kotite.

Mangini has very little similarity to Kotite. Tice would have fit that mold.

 

[Chase Stuart]

$2-2.5M a year for 5 years.Great contract for the Jets. I'd have been nervous if they had given him only a two or three year deal. This really gives him the control to make the best long-term decisions for the team.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

$2-2.5M a year for 5 years.

Great contract for the Jets. I'd have been nervous if they had given him only a two or three year deal. This really gives him the control to make the best long-term decisions for the team.

that's what Bills fans were saying about Mularkey 2 years ago, but that 5-year contract pretty much would have forced the Bills to stick with him longer than they probably would have wanted to. most coaches these days seem to get 5-year deals, but I think 3 years is plenty for a first timer.

 

[Mole]

The real question is will the jets give the guy time to put everything in place? The jets have a long history of not giving their coaches a chance to succeed. Pete Carroll comes to mind as a shining example.

The Jets will be the #3 team in the division next year behind NE and Miami (The Bill situation is still up in the air), with salary cap issues from the Penington deal, and a new (young) head coach. To expect more than 8 wins next year is unrealistic, but since the jets thought they were headed for greatness this year, will Gang Green give this guy a chance to rebuild?

How hard it is going to be to coach in a division with Saban and BB for any coach, even one who has somewhat of a clue as to how those two coaches gameplan?

In today's NFL - I think Rebuilding is a 3 year window:Year 1 - Play the team as is for the most part and get a feel for the team

Year 2 - Weed out the players not "On Board" and get a few more wins

Year 3- Go for it.... With Year 4 as well...

The Jets have a pretty good defense and I think Mangini, being in the AFC east and around the Jets for so long already has a pretty good feel for what he has... So, he has a head start on step 1...

Really it's the Offense that needs to be rebuilt.... I think Mangini can work well with that defense.... Maybe Abe should go which will give them a lot of flexibility to spend the Money elsewhere - Possibly draft the top LB Hawk and go 3-4.

Going into Year 2:

49ers

Browns

Dolphins

Going into Year 3 and 4

Bears

Bengals

Panthers

I believe this what a lot of teams are doing and doing it with modest success.

I hope for the best "I Dream of Man-Gini", Jets have had their ups and downs over the last decade, some stability would not be a bad thing.

Mole

 

[mario8723]

Rebuilding?  The Jet are so far over the cap with their current players that all the new coach can do his first year is cut players and hope the young guys can play.  Don't expect many signings at all in the off season.

According to NFL Players Association records, the Jets already have $120 million committed to the 2006 salary cap among 50 players.  Five players - Chad Pennington, Ty Law, Laveranues Coles, Curtis Martin and Jay Fiedler - account for nearly $50 million of the total.

Pennington will count $12 million toward the Jets' salary cap in 2006 and the team would take a $12 million hit if it was forced to cut him.

Martin is due to count $8.1 million against the 2006 salary cap, a high number for any player, let alone one nearing the end of his career. The Jets could save $6.2 million by releasing him after June 1.

At least the team will know its in a rebuilding phase, great for coaches and young players.  Bad for the veterans and the on field leadership.

Law is gone ($11M)Fiedler will be gone

Pennington, Coles and Martin (and Mawae) will re-structure their contracts if necessary.

Signing Abraham to a long-term deal with make his situation more palatable

Dose that cap number include Chrebet retiring? I sure hope not.

Pennington has already stated publicly that he is not on board with a restructuring. In his eyes, he has already sacrificed enough in the name of the team to this point and is not agreeable to a reduced salary. I'm not sure about the opinions of the other players you mentioned but I'm not sure getting rid of some/most of them would be such a bad thing at this point.

 

[Rovers]

Rebuilding?  The Jet are so far over the cap with their current players that all the new coach can do his first year is cut players and hope the young guys can play.  Don't expect many signings at all in the off season.

According to NFL Players Association records, the Jets already have $120 million committed to the 2006 salary cap among 50 players.  Five players - Chad Pennington, Ty Law, Laveranues Coles, Curtis Martin and Jay Fiedler - account for nearly $50 million of the total.

Pennington will count $12 million toward the Jets' salary cap in 2006 and the team would take a $12 million hit if it was forced to cut him.

Martin is due to count $8.1 million against the 2006 salary cap, a high number for any player, let alone one nearing the end of his career. The Jets could save $6.2 million by releasing him after June 1.

At least the team will know its in a rebuilding phase, great for coaches and young players.  Bad for the veterans and the on field leadership.

Law is gone ($11M)Fiedler will be gone

Pennington, Coles and Martin (and Mawae) will re-structure their contracts if necessary.

Signing Abraham to a long-term deal with make his situation more palatable

Dose that cap number include Chrebet retiring? I sure hope not.

Pennington has already stated publicly that he is not on board with a restructuring. In his eyes, he has already sacrificed enough in the name of the team to this point and is not agreeable to a reduced salary. I'm not sure about the opinions of the other players you mentioned but I'm not sure getting rid of some/most of them would be such a bad thing at this point.

Pennington might just find a 12 mil check in the mailbox, and a WHOLE lot of time to go play golf..... if he can with that shoulder.

 

[Chase Stuart]

"I'd like to thank my beautiful wife, probably the best draft pick I've ever had...she makes me a better person." -- Eric ManginiI don't know what that means, but Mangini did stress the need for smart, disciplined and players that need to play a role. As for strategy, he sounds like a Belichick clone: We'll attack our opponent's weaknesses, play according to our offense's strengths, and therefore we'll have no set scheme that he can tell us about now.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Rebuilding? The Jet are so far over the cap with their current players that all the new coach can do his first year is cut players and hope the young guys can play. Don't expect many signings at all in the off season.

According to NFL Players Association records, the Jets already have $120 million committed to the 2006 salary cap among 50 players. Five players - Chad Pennington, Ty Law, Laveranues Coles, Curtis Martin and Jay Fiedler - account for nearly $50 million of the total.

Pennington will count $12 million toward the Jets' salary cap in 2006 and the team would take a $12 million hit if it was forced to cut him.

Martin is due to count $8.1 million against the 2006 salary cap, a high number for any player, let alone one nearing the end of his career. The Jets could save $6.2 million by releasing him after June 1.

At least the team will know its in a rebuilding phase, great for coaches and young players. Bad for the veterans and the on field leadership.

Law is gone ($11M)Fiedler will be gone

Pennington, Coles and Martin (and Mawae) will re-structure their contracts if necessary.

Signing Abraham to a long-term deal with make his situation more palatable

Dose that cap number include Chrebet retiring? I sure hope not.

Pennington has already stated publicly that he is not on board with a restructuring. In his eyes, he has already sacrificed enough in the name of the team to this point and is not agreeable to a reduced salary. I'm not sure about the opinions of the other players you mentioned but I'm not sure getting rid of some/most of them would be such a bad thing at this point.

While it's hard to deny that he has sacrificed a lot, all I'd say to him would be:2005 down?

 

[Chase Stuart]

Mangini answering what he did on the D vs. what Belichick did:"I did everything I possibly could. I couldn't have worked any more hours. Bill gave his input and we worked together, and who wouldn't want his advise.""Who called the plays?""I called every single play last year."

 

[Chase Stuart]

"Age has always been a question. I've always been the young guy. I was the young guy on the offensive staff. I was the young guy on the defensive staff. The only time I was the old guy was when I was the ball boys."(Mangini got his start as a ball boy at age 23)