Manning 49 TDs in 15 games. Brady 49+ in 16 games (1 Viewer)

[pizzatyme]

This comes from a Colts :IBTL: take it with a grain of salt...

While I think that Brady has had a great year, I cannot give him his due when he passes Manning in week 17 for TDs. Manning in 2004 only played 1 series in week 17.

It was painful as a football fan to see Brady still in the game against the Dolphins, up 21 points, airing it out late into the 4th quarter.

I like Brady, I'm glad he is getting more recognition this year. But, unless he ties Manning with a TD pass in the 1st series against the Giants, then in my mind, Manning's mark is still the best.

49 in 15 games is better than 50 in 16 IMO. Both terrific seasons, just a matter of preference. I know the record books won't care, but do the fans?

Does it matter to you?

 

[KellysHeroes]

a record is a record... plus Brady will surely add on to it @ the GMen.

 

[pizzatyme]

Just wanted to clarify that Manning had 49 through 15 games. Brady has 48 through 15 games.

 

[RenegadeGM]

It isn't like the season was a game shorter when Manning set the record. He just chose not to play Week 17... not Brady's fault.

This isn't a Babe Ruth/Roger Maris situation...

 

[fruity pebbles]

Is Brady's 49+ even more impessive since he plays in an outdoor stadium in the Northeast and Manning plays his home games in a dome?

 

[pizzatyme]

a record is a record... plus Brady will surely add on to it @ the GMen.

Don't you think Manning could have done the same in 2004 against the Broncos? The Colts beat the Broncos the following week in the playoffs 49-24.

 

[Alias]

Is Brady's 49+ even more impessive since he plays in an outdoor stadium in the Northeast and Manning plays his home games in a dome?

:IBTL:

 

[Fallerjw]

Is Brady's 49+ even more impessive since he plays in an outdoor stadium in the Northeast and Manning plays his home games in a dome?

:IBTL: Both are great QBs. I hope this doesn't end up with people slamming either of these guys as they have both had great careers so far.

 

[Cool in the pocket]

Is Brady's 49+ even more impessive since he plays in an outdoor stadium in the Northeast and Manning plays his home games in a dome?

Don't think I'd be pulling the "owned" out here. Too hard to compare outdoor vs indoor as there are way too many variables involved though you'd have to concede that indoor has the advantage there. The vast majority of Brady's TD's were pre-winter weather and while his team has won, the weather has curtailed his stats. What you should be asking is how many TD's Brady would have if he played his home games in a dome this year as Manning did?

 

[nerangers]

I think a record is a record. The Pats have already gone 15 - 0, yet the Dolphins still hold the record for having the perfect season (14-0)

I also think there were games that were total blow outs that Brady could have gotten a few more TDs in if not pulled.

We could tally up total of number of minutes played (just joking)

 

[Mister CIA]

Is Brady's 49+ even more impessive since he plays in an outdoor stadium in the Northeast and Manning plays his home games in a dome?

Manning played in a dome weeks 12-16 in 2004.Brady has played outdoors in every game this season, except for the trip to Indy.Week 11: @BuffaloWeek 12: @New EnglandWeek 13: @BaltimoreWeek 14: @New EnglandWeek 15: @New EnglandWeek 16: @Miami Week 17: @NY

 

[Steeler]

Who cares?

 

[pizzatyme]

Is Brady's 49+ even more impessive since he plays in an outdoor stadium in the Northeast and Manning plays his home games in a dome?

Not really. In 2004 Manning tossed 8 TDs in December. Brady has 9 in Dec. Both have played 4 games.

 

[gianmarco]

Is Brady's 49+ even more impessive since he plays in an outdoor stadium in the Northeast and Manning plays his home games in a dome?

Don't think I'd be pulling the "owned" out here. Too hard to compare outdoor vs indoor as there are way too many variables involved though you'd have to concede that indoor has the advantage there. The vast majority of Brady's TD's were pre-winter weather and while his team has won, the weather has curtailed his stats. What you should be asking is how many TD's Brady would have if he played his home games in a dome this year as Manning did?

That's exactly the point. The winter weather HAS curtailed his stats. Even one extra game in a dome (let alone 2 or 3) turns his 0 TD performance during the game 2 weeks ago in a blizzard into a 3 TD performance inside a dome and the record is already broken.It's not as if a dome would have caused him to have LESS TDs than he would have had playing outdoors in Foxboro in nice weather. But the outdoor weather definitely has caused him to have fewer TDs than he would have had playing indoors without the weather being a factor.

 

[ShaqAttaq]

It isn't like the season was a game shorter when Manning set the record. He just chose not to play Week 17... not Brady's fault.This isn't a Babe Ruth/Roger Maris situation...

 

[pizzatyme]

Is Brady's 49+ even more impessive since he plays in an outdoor stadium in the Northeast and Manning plays his home games in a dome?

Both are great QBs. I hope this doesn't end up with people slamming either of these guys as they have both had great careers so far.

I agree, I wasn't trying to have the thread go that way.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

Is Brady's 49+ even more impessive since he plays in an outdoor stadium in the Northeast and Manning plays his home games in a dome?

Is Peyton Manning's 48 TD's in 15 games even more impressive since the 2004 Colts weren't trying to blatantly run up the score like the 2007 Patriots? I say yes.And unless Tom Brady and the Patriots run up the score again vs the Giants he won't have Peyton Manning's single-season qb rating record. 2004 Peyton Manning > 2007 Tom Brady

 

[pizzatyme]

Does it matter that Brady is playing for a coach who obviously is trying to pour it on at every opportunity? I think this equalizes the indoor/outdoor debate at a minimum.

 

[laniquity]

I think a record is a record. The Pats have already gone 15 - 0, yet the Dolphins still hold the record for having the perfect season (14-0)I also think there were games that were total blowo uts that Brady could have gotten a few more TDs in if not pulled.We could tally up total of number of minutes played (just joking)

maybe not minutes played but at least the number snaps each player took to get there :grin:

 

[AsimoV]

Is Brady's 49+ even more impessive since he plays in an outdoor stadium in the Northeast and Manning plays his home games in a dome?

I understand your intention with this post, but what you've actually done is give the Brady detractors a leg to stand on (as far as this thread goes anyway). By suggesting that speculative hypothesizing is an acceptable measurement of a record's relative importance, you are fueling their argument which is BASED upon speculation. By submitting this argument as a rebuttle, you are giving further creedence to their initial point, despite the fact that it is erronious. The record is the record. No need to add hype to it or detract hype from it. You can love it or hate it, but the numbers won't change for you. Also, let's keep in mind that while it's likely Brady will break the record, it hasn't happened yet.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Is Brady's 49+ even more impessive since he plays in an outdoor stadium in the Northeast and Manning plays his home games in a dome?

Is Peyton Manning's 48 TD's in 15 games even more impressive since the 2004 Colts weren't trying to blatantly run up the score like the 2007 Patriots? I say yes.And unless Tom Brady and the Patriots run up the score again vs the Giants he won't have Peyton Manning's single-season qb rating record. 2004 Peyton Manning > 2007 Tom Brady

I seem to remember people crying about Manning padding his stats that year as well. Throwing the ball inside the 5 yard line at every opportunity.

 

[JohnnyU]

Is Babe Ruth still the home run king since he played in fewer games than Aaron and Bonds?

 

[pizzatyme]

I think a record is a record. The Pats have already gone 15 - 0, yet the Dolphins still hold the record for having the perfect season (14-0)I also think there were games that were total blowo uts that Brady could have gotten a few more TDs in if not pulled.We could tally up total of number of minutes played (just joking)

maybe not minutes played but at least the number snaps each player took to get there :grin:

Yes, good point!2004 Manning attempted 497 passes to get 49 TDs. or 1 TD every 10.14 passes.2007 Brady has attempted 536 passes for 48 TDs or 1 TD for every 11.16 passes.

 

[Workhorse]

Does it matter that Brady is playing for a coach who obviously is trying to pour it on at every opportunity? I think this equalizes the indoor/outdoor debate at a minimum.

Brady has thrown 10 TDs this season when his team was ahead by more than 16 points. In 2004, Manning threw 8 TDs when the Colts were up by more than 16 points.Pretty much a wash. And Brady's thrown 31 first half TDs as compared to 17 second half TDs.Then take a look at Brady's road stats and grass stats this year compared to Peyton's in 2004. It certainly doesn't "equalize" anything.

 

[pizzatyme]

Is Brady's 49+ even more impessive since he plays in an outdoor stadium in the Northeast and Manning plays his home games in a dome?

I understand your intention with this post, but what you've actually done is give the Brady detractors a leg to stand on (as far as this thread goes anyway). By suggesting that speculative hypothesizing is an acceptable measurement of a record's relative importance, you are fueling their argument which is BASED upon speculation. By submitting this argument as a rebuttle, you are giving further creedence to their initial point, despite the fact that it is erronious. The record is the record. No need to add hype to it or detract hype from it. You can love it or hate it, but the numbers won't change for you. Also, let's keep in mind that while it's likely Brady will break the record, it hasn't happened yet.

I agree with what you're saying. I'm okay with Brady holing the record, I'm just curious if it means any less to the fans that it took one more game. That's all.Same can be said if Moss breaks Rice's TD record.

 

[JohnnyU]

Who's the greatest: Bonds, Aaron or Ruth?

As I See It

Hal Sundin

Glenwood Springs, CO Colorado

November 8, 2007

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Great Numbers

Babe Ruth Hank Aaron Barry Bonds

Career home runs 714 755 762

Playing career 1914-35 1954-76 1986-2007

Full years played 20* 23 21*

Games played 2,503 3,298 2,965

Times at bat 8,399 12,364 9,789

Hits 2,873 3,771 2,935

Runs batted in 2,213 2,297 1,930

It is November, and the 2007 baseball season, which was marked by the crowning of a new home run king, is finally over. Barry Bonds topped Hank Aaron, who had topped Babe Ruth's 1935 record. But is the home run mark the measure for judging who is the greatest baseball player? Putting aside the steroid allegations against Bonds for the moment, let's compare their records.

An examination of these statistics shows that for the number of games played and times at bat, Babe Ruth was head and shoulders above the other two. For one thing, until 1920 there were only 140 games in the season, and 154 until 1962, when the number was increased to 162. If the home run totals for Babe Ruth and Hank Aaron are adjusted for the fewer number of games played in the shorter season, they would be 756 and 768, respectively. And taking nothing away from Hank Aaron, who had tremendous talent over a 23-year career, he had the advantage of playing in 32 percent more games and had 47 percent more times at bat than Babe Ruth, but exceeded Babe Ruth's home run total by less than 6 percent. Compared to Barry Bonds, Aaron played in 10 percent more games and had 26 percent more times at bat. Comparing Barry Bonds with Babe Ruth, Bonds played in 19 percent more games and had 17 percent more times at bat, but hit only 7 percent more home runs.

We should also consider Babe Ruth's outstanding performance as a pitcher. In the six years he pitched for the Boston Red Sox before going to the New York Yankees (who quickly capitalized on his outstanding performance at the plate), he pitched in 158 games (105 of which were complete games), winning 89 (17 shutouts) while losing only 46. His earned run average was a spectacular 2.19. And he still had it late in his career in the early 1930s, pitching two complete games and winning both of them.

Now back to Barry Bonds and the steroid issue. Steroids do not increase a player's talent, only muscle mass. There is no question about Bonds' skill as a hitter, but according to a recently reported Tufts University study, use of steroids could enhance the velocity of the ball leaving the batter's bat by about 4 percent. This doesn't seem like much, but could make the difference between a deep outfield double or fly ball and a home run, possibly increasing home run production by 50 percent or more. Applying this to Bonds' home run total for the years 2000-2004, his "non-steroid" home run total might have been 172 instead of 258, which would have reduced his lifetime total to 676, putting him behind both Aaron and Ruth.

But it's not just the players who are guilty of performance enhancement; the whole baseball industry has bulked its profits since 1995, when it got the bright idea of dividing each league into three divisions and adding a "wildcard" team to create a four-team, two-tier playoff to determine each league's pennant winner to go on to the World Series. This could add as many as 334 post-season games, potentially generating a much as $100 million in ticket sales in addition to the television revenues. Fourteen times in the last thirteen years, the team with the best season-long performance has not been in the World Series, and eight times it has been the wildcard team. It increases profits, but is it fair to give the pennant to a team that happens to get hot at the end of the season?

In conclusion, I don't think there is any question that Babe Ruth is the greatest all-around player in the history of the game.

Playing career 1914-35 1954-76 1986-2007

Full years played 20* 23 21*

Games played 2,503 3,298 2,965

Times at bat 8,399 12,364 9,789

Hits 2,873 3,771 2,935

Runs batted in 2,213 2,297 1,930

Lifetime batting average .342 .305 .298

Lifetime slugging average .690 .555 .607

Yrs. batted over .300 17 14 11

Yrs. home run leader 10 4 1

Yrs. 50+ home runs 4 0 1

*Babe Ruth played very few games in 1914 and 1935. Barry Bonds missed most of the 2005 season due to injury.

 

[AsimoV]

I agree with what you're saying. I'm okay with Brady holing the record, I'm just curious if it means any less to the fans that it took one more game. That's all.Same can be said if Moss breaks Rice's TD record.

True. Heck, that's why they keep records in the first place. So we can squabble about them 20 years later.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

Is Brady's 49+ even more impessive since he plays in an outdoor stadium in the Northeast and Manning plays his home games in a dome?

Not really. In 2004 Manning tossed 8 TDs in December. Brady has 9 in Dec. Both have played 4 games.

Of course really.Fact=Throwing the ball inside in a controlled environ is easier than throwing it outside.Fact=Throwing the ball inside or in good weather outside is MUCH, MUCH easier than throwing it outside in bad weather.Those facts are indisputable and if you look at the HUGE, HUGE advantage Manning had in playing conditions it seems rather obvious that what Brady has done is even more impressive.To each his own.

 

[Cool in the pocket]

Is Brady's 49+ even more impessive since he plays in an outdoor stadium in the Northeast and Manning plays his home games in a dome?

Don't think I'd be pulling the "owned" out here. Too hard to compare outdoor vs indoor as there are way too many variables involved though you'd have to concede that indoor has the advantage there. The vast majority of Brady's TD's were pre-winter weather and while his team has won, the weather has curtailed his stats. What you should be asking is how many TD's Brady would have if he played his home games in a dome this year as Manning did?

That's exactly the point. The winter weather HAS curtailed his stats. Even one extra game in a dome (let alone 2 or 3) turns his 0 TD performance during the game 2 weeks ago in a blizzard into a 3 TD performance inside a dome and the record is already broken.It's not as if a dome would have caused him to have LESS TDs than he would have had playing outdoors in Foxboro in nice weather. But the outdoor weather definitely has caused him to have fewer TDs than he would have had playing indoors without the weather being a factor.

Since we agree that the winter weather has probably reigned Brady's stats in (though we'll never know what he would have done in a dome) why is Brady's "49+ even more impressive since he plays in an outdoor stadium in the Northeast" when the games he has played in where weather was a factor he did very little?

 

[Boston]

If Manning had a better year than Brady because he had more TDs in one more game does that mean that Brady is much more of a winner than Manning because he has three rings in six years starting while Manning only has one in nine years.

 

[pizzatyme]

Is Brady's 49+ even more impessive since he plays in an outdoor stadium in the Northeast and Manning plays his home games in a dome?

Not really. In 2004 Manning tossed 8 TDs in December. Brady has 9 in Dec. Both have played 4 games.

Of course really.Fact=Throwing the ball inside in a controlled environ is easier than throwing it outside.Fact=Throwing the ball inside or in good weather outside is MUCH, MUCH easier than throwing it outside in bad weather.Those facts are indisputable and if you look at the HUGE, HUGE advantage Manning had in playing conditions it seems rather obvious that what Brady has done is even more impressive.To each his own.

Fair enough. BTW, do you have a link to the studies of those "undisputable facts"? I'd like to read up on them. TIA

 

[pizzatyme]

If Manning had a better year than Brady because he had more TDs in one more game does that mean that Brady is much more of a winner than Manning because he has three rings in six years starting while Manning only has one in nine years.

Absolutely!

 

[Boston]

If Manning had a better year than Brady because he had more TDs in one more game does that mean that Brady is much more of a winner than Manning because he has three rings in six years starting while Manning only has one in nine years.

Absolutely!

Fair enough than...as long as there's consistency here.

 

[BassNBrew]

This comes from a Colts take it with a grain of salt...While I think that Brady has had a great year, I cannot give him his due when he passes Manning in week 17 for TDs. Manning in 2004 only played 1 series in week 17. It was painful as a football fan to see Brady still in the game against the Dolphins, up 21 points, airing it out late into the 4th quarter.I like Brady, I'm glad he is getting more recognition this year. But, unless he ties Manning with a TD pass in the 1st series against the Giants, then in my mind, Manning's mark is still the best.49 in 15 games is better than 50 in 16 IMO. Both terrific seasons, just a matter of preference. I know the record books won't care, but do the fans?Does it matter to you?

It's not Brady's fault that Manning is a slacker or scared of getting hurt.

 

[AsimoV]

"What if" is not a statistic.

"What happened" is a statistic.

 

[pizzatyme]

"What if" is not a statistic."What happened" is a statistic.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Road Warriors]

I think a record is a record. The Pats have already gone 15 - 0, yet the Dolphins still hold the record for having the perfect season (14-0)I also think there were games that were total blowo uts that Brady could have gotten a few more TDs in if not pulled.We could tally up total of number of minutes played (just joking)

maybe not minutes played but at least the number snaps each player took to get there :grin:

Yes, good point!2004 Manning attempted 497 passes to get 49 TDs. or 1 TD every 10.14 passes.2007 Brady has attempted 536 passes for 48 TDs or 1 TD for every 11.16 passes.

I guess the question back to you would be this... do you honestly feel that, if the situation was reversed, and Manning was coming up on this record, that it'd be diminished in your mind if he had taken an extra 40 snaps? In fact, as Manning was breaking this record a few years back, did you do the same type of analysis of Manning's snaps, games etc with Marino's season of 48, you know... to be sure the record was REALLY a record? Or is this just a little bit of logic?

 

[nerangers]

I don't think it is as much the difference playing outdoors vs. in a dome, than the actual weather aspect. The last few weeks have not been favorable due to the wind and all. Yesterday was a nice weather day, and Brady puts up three TDs. I think the point that Manning plays eight games in the dome gives him better odds that he won't get the two more bad weather games that some of these other QBs could get (Brady, Big Ben, Anderson, Palmer, etc).

 

[pizzatyme]

I think a record is a record. The Pats have already gone 15 - 0, yet the Dolphins still hold the record for having the perfect season (14-0)I also think there were games that were total blowo uts that Brady could have gotten a few more TDs in if not pulled.We could tally up total of number of minutes played (just joking)

maybe not minutes played but at least the number snaps each player took to get there :grin:

Yes, good point!2004 Manning attempted 497 passes to get 49 TDs. or 1 TD every 10.14 passes.2007 Brady has attempted 536 passes for 48 TDs or 1 TD for every 11.16 passes.

I guess the question back to you would be this... do you honestly feel that, if the situation was reversed, and Manning was coming up on this record, that it'd be diminished in your mind if he had taken an extra 40 snaps? In fact, as Manning was breaking this record a few years back, did you do the same type of analysis of Manning's snaps, games etc with Marino's season of 48, you know... to be sure the record was REALLY a record? Or is this just a little bit of logic?

Good questions! It's 40 extra pass attempts for 1 less TD, just to clarify. Yes, honestly, in my mind, it would be diminished. The answer to your second question is yes. I did look at it, and for the record, Marino attempted 564 passes for his 48 TDs or 1 Td for every 11.75 passes.I only posted these stats in response to someone suggesting that Manning played more minutes or tossed more passes to get his 49 TDs. This is a common misconception.

 

[Jason Wood]

This comes from a Colts take it with a grain of salt...While I think that Brady has had a great year, I cannot give him his due when he passes Manning in week 17 for TDs. Manning in 2004 only played 1 series in week 17. It was painful as a football fan to see Brady still in the game against the Dolphins, up 21 points, airing it out late into the 4th quarter.I like Brady, I'm glad he is getting more recognition this year. But, unless he ties Manning with a TD pass in the 1st series against the Giants, then in my mind, Manning's mark is still the best.49 in 15 games is better than 50 in 16 IMO. Both terrific seasons, just a matter of preference. I know the record books won't care, but do the fans?Does it matter to you?

The record books aren't going to care...but if you really want to compare comparable performance, then what you really want to see is Brady not finish the season with 53 TD passes (unlikely).If Brady throws 53 TD passes, that would be better than Manning's 3.27 TD passes/game in his record year.

 

[Road Warriors]

I think a record is a record. The Pats have already gone 15 - 0, yet the Dolphins still hold the record for having the perfect season (14-0)I also think there were games that were total blowo uts that Brady could have gotten a few more TDs in if not pulled.We could tally up total of number of minutes played (just joking)

maybe not minutes played but at least the number snaps each player took to get there :grin:

Yes, good point!2004 Manning attempted 497 passes to get 49 TDs. or 1 TD every 10.14 passes.2007 Brady has attempted 536 passes for 48 TDs or 1 TD for every 11.16 passes.

I guess the question back to you would be this... do you honestly feel that, if the situation was reversed, and Manning was coming up on this record, that it'd be diminished in your mind if he had taken an extra 40 snaps? In fact, as Manning was breaking this record a few years back, did you do the same type of analysis of Manning's snaps, games etc with Marino's season of 48, you know... to be sure the record was REALLY a record? Or is this just a little bit of logic?

Good questions! It's 40 extra pass attempts for 1 less TD, just to clarify. Yes, honestly, in my mind, it would be diminished. The answer to your second question is yes. I did look at it, and for the record, Marino attempted 564 passes for his 48 TDs or 1 Td for every 11.75 passes.I only posted these stats in response to someone suggesting that Manning played more minutes or tossed more passes to get his 49 TDs. This is a common misconception.

I still fall on side of a record is a record, given the same season length. Interesting, though.... that you dug into the stats not to validate the record for yourself, but rather to refute someone "diminishing" the record for the player you favor.

 

[BelichicksRevenge]

You can argue who is the better quarterback but if Brady ends up with more touchdowns then he owns the record no matter how many games he played in.

 

[Jason Wood]

To those arguing that Brady's # of passing attempts and/or games played will "taint" the record...I would ask that you also diminish Peyton Manning's place in the history books too. If either metric were REALLY important in how people remembered the TD pass mark, neither Dan Marino nor Peyton Manning would ever be considered the most prolific TD passer in season.

George Blanda threw 36 TD passes in 362 attempts (1 TD per 10.06 attempts) which is, STILL, the record for any QB to lead the league in TD passes in a season.

Manning's 49 TD season stands at #2 (10.14 attempts per TD) followed by Y.A. Tittle, Tom Brady, and Y.A. Tittle again.

 

[pizzatyme]

I think a record is a record. The Pats have already gone 15 - 0, yet the Dolphins still hold the record for having the perfect season (14-0)I also think there were games that were total blowo uts that Brady could have gotten a few more TDs in if not pulled.We could tally up total of number of minutes played (just joking)

maybe not minutes played but at least the number snaps each player took to get there :grin:

Yes, good point!2004 Manning attempted 497 passes to get 49 TDs. or 1 TD every 10.14 passes.2007 Brady has attempted 536 passes for 48 TDs or 1 TD for every 11.16 passes.

I guess the question back to you would be this... do you honestly feel that, if the situation was reversed, and Manning was coming up on this record, that it'd be diminished in your mind if he had taken an extra 40 snaps? In fact, as Manning was breaking this record a few years back, did you do the same type of analysis of Manning's snaps, games etc with Marino's season of 48, you know... to be sure the record was REALLY a record? Or is this just a little bit of logic?

Good questions! It's 40 extra pass attempts for 1 less TD, just to clarify. Yes, honestly, in my mind, it would be diminished. The answer to your second question is yes. I did look at it, and for the record, Marino attempted 564 passes for his 48 TDs or 1 Td for every 11.75 passes.I only posted these stats in response to someone suggesting that Manning played more minutes or tossed more passes to get his 49 TDs. This is a common misconception.

I still fall on side of a record is a record, given the same season length. Interesting, though.... that you dug into the stats not to validate the record for yourself, but rather to refute someone "diminishing" the record for the player you favor.

Again, the record is the record. I was just curious if it mattered to others? Yes, I prefer Manning. He plays for my home team. I appreciate what Brady does as a QB as well. This thread wasn't out of jealousy or spite. Just a simple question.Congrats to Brady WHEN not if he passes Manning.

 

[SuperJohn96]

This comes from a Colts take it with a grain of salt...

While I think that Brady has had a great year, I cannot give him his due when he passes Manning in week 17 for TDs. Manning in 2004 only played 1 series in week 17.

It was painful as a football fan to see Brady still in the game against the Dolphins, up 21 points, airing it out late into the 4th quarter.

I like Brady, I'm glad he is getting more recognition this year. But, unless he ties Manning with a TD pass in the 1st series against the Giants, then in my mind, Manning's mark is still the best.

49 in 15 games is better than 50 in 16 IMO. Both terrific seasons, just a matter of preference. I know the record books won't care, but do the fans?

Does it matter to you?

What if Brady gets a TD in the first series?You don't think BB is gonna have the Pats come out guns blazing early to ice this thing so it's never close?

I predict a long Brady to Moss TD on their first drive.

 

[pizzatyme]

To those arguing that Brady's # of passing attempts and/or games played will "taint" the record...I would ask that you also diminish Peyton Manning's place in the history books too. If either metric were REALLY important in how people remembered the TD pass mark, neither Dan Marino nor Peyton Manning would ever be considered the most prolific TD passer in season.George Blanda threw 36 TD passes in 362 attempts (1 TD per 10.06 attempts) which is, STILL, the record for any QB to lead the league in TD passes in a season. Manning's 49 TD season stands at #2 (10.14 attempts per TD) followed by Y.A. Tittle, Tom Brady, and Y.A. Tittle again.

And that is a very fair argument!

 

[pizzatyme]

This comes from a Colts take it with a grain of salt...

While I think that Brady has had a great year, I cannot give him his due when he passes Manning in week 17 for TDs. Manning in 2004 only played 1 series in week 17.

It was painful as a football fan to see Brady still in the game against the Dolphins, up 21 points, airing it out late into the 4th quarter.

I like Brady, I'm glad he is getting more recognition this year. But, unless he ties Manning with a TD pass in the 1st series against the Giants, then in my mind, Manning's mark is still the best.

49 in 15 games is better than 50 in 16 IMO. Both terrific seasons, just a matter of preference. I know the record books won't care, but do the fans?

Does it matter to you?

What if Brady gets a TD in the first series?You don't think BB is gonna have the Pats come out guns blazing early to ice this thing so it's never close?

I predict a long Brady to Moss TD on their first drive.

Then I'd call it a tie. Which I'm very good with in my mind.

 

[posty]

Plus the Colts had a running game in 2004...

 

[Ghost Rider]

Plus the Colts had a running game in 2004...

Indy was 15th in rushing yards per game in 2004. New England is 10th in 2007. Try again.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Also, I do not think the dome vs. outside stuff really matters, since Brady has only had to play one game in bad weather (last week vs. the Jets). The way I see it, his lack of TDs in that game is offset by the few he threw late in games when they were running up the score, something Manning and the Colts didn't do in 2004. So, there!