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Manning did NOT "throw the OL under the bus"! (1 Viewer)

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If I read this one more time I'm going to hurl. I know not everybody here is exactly a rocket scientist (I make no claims myself) but for about the 100th time:He was specifically ASKED and was answering a question about the OL protection during the interview (which the media dorks conveniently left out). What was he supposed to say? They played great? He was kind in simply saying they "had protection problems." Of course it wasn't all their fault - and he wasn't saying it was.

 
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He said something like, "I'm trying to be a good teammate here, but we had some protection problems." That is not a direct quote, but it was something along those lines. The moment the words "I'm trying to be a good teammate..." left his mouth, he was being a bad teammate.

You'd never catch Tom Brady saying something like that.

 
He didn't throw them under the bus. It was more like an SUV.If he had left out the "I'm trying to be a good teammate" bit he would have been fine.

 
He didn't throw them under the bus. It was more like an SUV.

If he had left out the "I'm trying to be a good teammate" bit he would have been fine.
:goodposting: By adding that preface, all it did was indicate that he knew he was about to do the complete opposite.

Besides which, doesn't a lot of the onus for that fall on Dungy, their gorilla-like OL coach and Manning? The coaches came up with a gameplan that includes blocking schemes. Manning, when he audibles, changes the blocking based on the play he calls. If that doesn't work against the defense the opponent is running at you, some of the blame lies on you too, Peyton.

What he could have done is say.. "We had some protection problems. As a unit, we didn't step up and play our best game. Everyone is accountable for this.. the coaches, the blockers, and myself. We just didn't get it done..."

Sorry if this makes you hurl, but he threw his OL under the bus.

 
He said something like, "I'm trying to be a good teammate here, but we had some protection problems." That is not a direct quote, but it was something along those lines. The moment the words "I'm trying to be a good teammate..." left his mouth, he was being a bad teammate.

You'd never catch Tom Brady saying something like that.
:goodposting: as well."We had some protection problems" = there were problems with protection. Period.

"I'm trying to be a good teammate... but we had some protection problems" = there were problems with protection, but they weren't my fault, and I'm not going to name names because I'm a good teammate.

 
He said something like, "I'm trying to be a good teammate here, but we had some protection problems." That is not a direct quote, but it was something along those lines. The moment the words "I'm trying to be a good teammate..." left his mouth, he was being a bad teammate.

You'd never catch Tom Brady saying something like that.
Exactly.
 
lolNever mind. I forgot trying to clarify something around here is often like trying to explain calculus to a 3 yr old. Carry on

 
If I read this one more time I'm going to hurl. I know not everybody here is exactly a rocket scientist (I make no claims myself) but for about the 100th time:

He was specifically ASKED and was answering a question about the OL protection during the interview (which the media dorks conveniently left out). What was he supposed to say? They played great? He was kind in simply saying they "had protection problems." Of course it wasn't all their fault - and he wasn't saying it was.
:thumbdown:
 
If I read this one more time I'm going to hurl. I know not everybody here is exactly a rocket scientist (I make no claims myself) but for about the 100th time:

He was specifically ASKED and was answering a question about the OL protection during the interview (which the media dorks conveniently left out). What was he supposed to say? They played great? He was kind in simply saying they "had protection problems." Of course it wasn't all their fault - and he wasn't saying it was.
I'm trying to be a good fellow-poster to the FBGs message board, but some posters here just don't have any idea of what they are talking about.See? Not very "excellent." A la Peyton.

 
lol

Never mind. I forgot trying to clarify something around here is often like trying to explain calculus to a 3 yr old. Carry on
We are all very grateful to have someone of your superior intellect around to explain the seemingly obvious to the rest of us half-wits. When a whole bunch of people hear the exact same quote, and everyone except for you agrees on what that quote meant, that's when we all genuflect before the altar of BigRed and give thanks for your taking the time to bestow your transcendant wisdom upon the masses.
 
By adding that preface, all it did was indicate that he knew he was about to do the complete opposite.
In a nutshell. I mean no disrespect with this comment BUT...
"We had some protection problems" = there were problems with protection. Period.
The operative word of the proper response being bolded. Manning fat fingered that answer and knew damn well he was about to say something he should not. Otherwise, why add the qualifer?
 
lol

Never mind.  I forgot trying to clarify something around here is often like trying to explain calculus to a 3 yr old.  Carry on
We are all very grateful to have someone of your superior intellect around to explain the seemingly obvious to the rest of us half-wits. When a whole bunch of people hear the exact same quote, and everyone except for you agrees on what that quote meant, that's when we all genuflect before the altar of BigRed and give thanks for your taking the time to bestow your transcendant wisdom upon the masses.
:lmao: :lmao: Thanks for saving me the effort. Well said.

 
I'm glad nobody interviews me right after the most disappointing events in my life...I'd be prone to say stupid things, too.

 
It's the playoffs. The OL would actually have been safer if Manning had attempted to throw them under the bus.

 
And people wonder why we get such stock answers from athletes all the time. I always roll my eyes when every athlete in every sport says the same thing after a win and the same thing after a loss. I often wonder why they even bother interviewing them. Now I know why. If one of the athletes says something that hasn't been recycled 100 times and is not 100% preapproved by the fans, then they get it thrown back in their face.Bottom line is that they had MAJOR protection problems. It was one of the reasons they lost. Peyton acknowledged it when he was asked about it several times and now the sky is falling in Indy. Oh well.

 
Hey Manning. How about if the pressure is too strong you try changing your drop and the depth of your routes for some quick hitters. You could also have tried to roll the pocket but you are too cement footed for that.

 
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lol

Never mind. I forgot trying to clarify something around here is often like trying to explain calculus to a 3 yr old. Carry on
We are all very grateful to have someone of your superior intellect around to explain the seemingly obvious to the rest of us half-wits. When a whole bunch of people hear the exact same quote, and everyone except for you agrees on what that quote meant, that's when we all genuflect before the altar of BigRed and give thanks for your taking the time to bestow your transcendant wisdom upon the masses.
I nominate Boart for the best new poster of the week award.
 
And people wonder why we get such stock answers from athletes all the time. I always roll my eyes when every athlete in every sport says the same thing after a win and the same thing after a loss. I often wonder why they even bother interviewing them. Now I know why. If one of the athletes says something that hasn't been recycled 100 times and is not 100% preapproved by the fans, then they get it thrown back in their face.

Bottom line is that they had MAJOR protection problems. It was one of the reasons they lost. Peyton acknowledged it when he was asked about it several times and now the sky is falling in Indy. Oh well.
:goodposting: I agree with everything you said. :thumbup:

 
If you listen to the interview when he said this, it came at the end of a long barrage of questions. My interpretation was that he was saying "I'm trying to be a good teammate here..." as a way to end the previous statements. He was picking up on the fact that they were trying to goad him into saying something negative. Plus, he did not sound PO'd when he was saying it. It was more like, "Come on guys, I know what you're trying to do, but I'm trying to be a good teammate here." The statement that directly followed, where he said "We had some protection problems. Give credit to Pittsburgh on their blitzes and their pass rush, but we did have some protection problems" seemed to me to be a separate statement from the "I'm trying to be a good teammate..." statement.Either way, it is really stretching to say that he was throwing anyone under the bus. That's just people trying to sensationalize the situation.

 
He said something like, "I'm trying to be a good teammate here, but we had some protection problems."  That is not a direct quote, but it was something along those lines.  The moment the words "I'm trying to be a good teammate..." left his mouth, he was being a bad teammate.

You'd never catch Tom Brady saying something like that.
:goodposting: as well."We had some protection problems" = there were problems with protection. Period.

"I'm trying to be a good teammate... but we had some protection problems" = there were problems with protection, but they weren't my fault, and I'm not going to name names because I'm a good teammate.
See, I would like to see an actual transcript of this interview. I don't think he said "I'm trying to be a good teammate BUT we had protection problems." Maybe I'm wrong, but it seemed like there was a pause in between those statements.
 
If you listen to the interview when he said this, it came at the end of a long barrage of questions. My interpretation was that he was saying "I'm trying to be a good teammate here..." as a way to end the previous statements. He was picking up on the fact that they were trying to goad him into saying something negative. Plus, he did not sound PO'd when he was saying it. It was more like, "Come on guys, I know what you're trying to do, but I'm trying to be a good teammate here."

The statement that directly followed, where he said "We had some protection problems. Give credit to Pittsburgh on their blitzes and their pass rush, but we did have some protection problems" seemed to me to be a separate statement from the "I'm trying to be a good teammate..." statement.

Either way, it is really stretching to say that he was throwing anyone under the bus. That's just people trying to sensationalize the situation.
With the protection he was getting I don't think he would have had time to throw them all the way under the bus. At best he had time to toss them to the curb. If from there they rolled under the bus that's on them.
 
lol

Never mind. I forgot trying to clarify something around here is often like trying to explain calculus to a 3 yr old. Carry on
I'll try to be a good member, but why are you here then Einstein?Name calling won't get you very far here either. Don't let the :11: hit ya on the way out.

 
...You could also have tried to roll the pocket but you are too cement footed for that.
I knew someone would hit the nail on the head eventually... :thumbup: Manning needs to get him some new feets. :yes:

:lmao:

 
You'd never catch Tom Brady saying something like that.
With all due respect to Tom Brady and the Patriots, for I do respect them way beyond belief, much more than I do the other playoff losers, I will have to say...I forgot what I was going to say, but I really do respect the Patriots.
 
You'd never catch Tom Brady saying something like that.
With all due respect to Tom Brady and the Patriots, for I do respect them way beyond belief, much more than I do the other playoff losers, I will have to say...I forgot what I was going to say, but I really do respect the Patriots.
This means absolutely nothing, because you did not preface by saying, "Praise Bill Belicheck in the highest", and who even knows if you were genuflecting.
 
And people wonder why we get such stock answers from athletes all the time. I always roll my eyes when every athlete in every sport says the same thing after a win and the same thing after a loss. I often wonder why they even bother interviewing them. Now I know why. If one of the athletes says something that hasn't been recycled 100 times and is not 100% preapproved by the fans, then they get it thrown back in their face.

Bottom line is that they had MAJOR protection problems. It was one of the reasons they lost. Peyton acknowledged it when he was asked about it several times and now the sky is falling in Indy. Oh well.
You don't have to say a cliche to not diss your teammates. Someone on this thread gave a perfectly good example of what he could have said.
 
He said something like, "I'm trying to be a good teammate here, but we had some protection problems." That is not a direct quote, but it was something along those lines. The moment the words "I'm trying to be a good teammate..." left his mouth, he was being a bad teammate.

You'd never catch Tom Brady saying something like that.
1. YOu'd also never catch Manning forcing a pass to Champ Bailey's side of the field in the red zone....ti t for tat my man.2. Anyone stopped to consider that he might have been blaming the scheme? The Olinemen are saying the same thing, "We had problems in protection." Isn't it possible that all 6 of them (QB + 5 OL) are mad at the o line calls?

COlin

 
2. Anyone stopped to consider that he might have been blaming the scheme? The Olinemen are saying the same thing, "We had problems in protection." Isn't it possible that all 6 of them (QB + 5 OL) are mad at the o line calls?COlin
or he could have meant protection as in a national defense, war on terrorism and such.or protection could be crowd controlor obviously, you know, the whole sex thing, i.e. condoms.this is kind of fun being a manning apologist, where do i sigh up?
 
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He said something like, "I'm trying to be a good teammate here, but we had some protection problems."  That is not a direct quote, but it was something along those lines.  The moment the words "I'm trying to be a good teammate..." left his mouth, he was being a bad teammate.

You'd never catch Tom Brady saying something like that.
1. YOu'd also never catch Manning forcing a pass to Champ Bailey's side of the field in the red zone....ti t for tat my man.2. Anyone stopped to consider that he might have been blaming the scheme? The Olinemen are saying the same thing, "We had problems in protection." Isn't it possible that all 6 of them (QB + 5 OL) are mad at the o line calls?

COlin
I have seen him force several to Ty Law's side of the field. 3 in one game . If you prefer Manning fine- but don't play the forcing balls/getting interceptions in a playoff game. Also, in the words of Dennis Miller when he was funny, what is tat, where do I get it, and how do I trade it for the other thing.

 
1. YOu'd also never catch Manning forcing a pass to Champ Bailey's side of the field in the red zone....ti t for tat my man.
lol@ Manning not throwing an INT in the end zone. First, they only got to the end zone once, and second, this is the first time in three years he hasn't thrown a pick in the end zone in the game.
 
This comes from one of the staunchest supporters of the Colts on this board...#1-He absolutely tossed them under the bus.#2-There was no excuse for it like because it was right after a tough loss. Manning is one of the most intelligent people in the league. He is also one of the most calculated when it comes to saying the right thing.#3-He is a part of the problem. The problem is that the line is average as a unit. Their success in the regular season is largely due to the fact that most teams aren't the 3-4 blitzing scheme that the Pats and Steelers play. Alot of things are covered up by the quick release and play action. When it comes crunch time, this is minimized by pressure applied by aggressive defenses and Peyton's mindset that he has to save the day by throwing the ball(Notice the 14 rushes against Pittsburg with a 4.0 ypc).Until he or someone who makes him decides to stick with the running game, the Colts are in trouble come playoff time.Now, with that said, 2006 Go Colts!

 
If I read this one more time I'm going to hurl.  I know not everybody here is exactly a rocket scientist (I make no claims myself) but for about the 100th time:

He was specifically ASKED and was answering a question about the OL protection during the interview (which the media dorks conveniently left out).  What was he supposed to say?  They played great?  He was kind in simply saying they "had protection problems."  Of course it wasn't all their fault - and he wasn't saying it was.
I'm trying to be a good fellow-poster to the FBGs message board, but some posters here just don't have any idea of what they are talking about.See? Not very "excellent." A la Peyton.
:goodposting:
 
My point is the whole gameplan stunk. THe protection, the playcalling, Manning himself. All of it was ROTTEN. I don't think anyone wearing white and blue that day would try and say otherwise. THey don't sent the left guard to the press conference. SHould he have said something different? Maybe. But I don't understand why everyone is so up in arms because he told the truth: "We had problems in protection."

Well, friggin, DUH!

 
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This comes from one of the staunchest supporters of the Colts on this board...

#1-He absolutely tossed them under the bus.

#2-There was no excuse for it like because it was right after a tough loss. Manning is one of the most intelligent people in the league. He is also one of the most calculated when it comes to saying the right thing.

#3-He is a part of the problem. The problem is that the line is average as a unit. Their success in the regular season is largely due to the fact that most teams aren't the 3-4 blitzing scheme that the Pats and Steelers play. Alot of things are covered up by the quick release and play action. When it comes crunch time, this is minimized by pressure applied by aggressive defenses and Peyton's mindset that he has to save the day by throwing the ball(Notice the 14 rushes against Pittsburg with a 4.0 ypc).

Until he or someone who makes him decides to stick with the running game, the Colts are in trouble come playoff time.

Now, with that said, 2006 Go Colts!
I know you and I have not been the best of buds on the board, but I respect the hell out of this statement.
 
My point is the whole gameplan stunk. THe protection, the playcalling, Manning himself. All of it was ROTTEN. I don't think anyone wearing white and blue that day would try and say otherwise. THey don't sent the left guard to the press conference. SHould he have said something different? Maybe. But I don't understand why everyone is so up in arms because he told the truth: "We had problems in protection."

Well, friggin, DUH!
Because you're not supposed to call out your team to the press when you're the leader and you just lost. People will be writing plenty about the lack of protection and your inability to get it done. You don't need to pile on and add to the chorus. You're supposed to be sticking by your teammates. "I'm trying to be a good teammate here" is like "It's not about the money" or "I don't mean to be rude, but" or "I don't want to be mean, but" When you say that, you know the opposie is true. And so does everyone else.

Why couldn't he say "I couldn't hit my receivers" or "I made bad reads" or "I was throwing scared and wasn't on target?" All that was true, too.

For the right way to respond, just ask yourself

What

Would

Brady

Do

:yes:

 
My point is the whole gameplan stunk. THe protection, the playcalling, Manning himself. All of it was ROTTEN. I don't think anyone wearing white and blue that day would try and say otherwise. THey don't sent the left guard to the press conference. SHould he have said something different? Maybe. But I don't understand why everyone is so up in arms because he told the truth: "We had problems in protection."

Well, friggin, DUH!
Because you're not supposed to call out your team to the press when you're the leader and you just lost. People will be writing plenty about the lack of protection and your inability to get it done. You don't need to pile on and add to the chorus. You're supposed to be sticking by your teammates. "I'm trying to be a good teammate here" is like "It's not about the money" or "I don't mean to be rude, but" or "I don't want to be mean, but" When you say that, you know the opposie is true. And so does everyone else.

Why couldn't he say "I couldn't hit my receivers" or "I made bad reads" or "I was throwing scared and wasn't on target?" All that was true, too.

For the right way to respond, just ask yourself

What

Would

Brady

Do

:yes:
All good points. I just happen to like/appreciate it when we as fans get a good answer. I watched the whole game and couldn't believe what I was seeing. But I found 10 things I thought were going wrong for the COlts on offense. While it was hardly breaking down film, I was pleased to hear someone on the inside say what HE thought was wrong.Point taken about piling on and adding to the chorus though.

WWTBD? Go find Tara Reid for a late night party of course...

 
"I'm trying to be a good teammate here" = "With all due respect"
No.With all due respect, a QB shoulders the criticism for the offense he leads, and handles any issues internally.

A QB shows due respect by not saying that. You would think taking less sacks than any other QB in the NFL would engender some respect for the OLine.

 
"I'm trying to be a good teammate here" = "With all due respect"
No.With all due respect, a QB shoulders the criticism for the offense he leads, and handles any issues internally.
Agreed. He'd been better off saying it was his fault and handling the issues privately. I'm sure he'd do that press conference totally differently if he could have a do over.J

 
"I'm trying to be a good teammate here" = "With all due respect"
No.With all due respect, a QB shoulders the criticism for the offense he leads, and handles any issues internally.
Agreed. He'd been better off saying it was his fault and handling the issues privately. I'm sure he'd do that press conference totally differently if he could have a do over.J
Only 1 do over per game.
 
Mr Manning is so confused he has no clue.Hey I have a idea change your snap count every now and then might help der.Really this guy is a good qb till it comes to playoff games and they are behind then he is just average.

 
This comes from one of the staunchest supporters of the Colts on this board...

#1-He absolutely tossed them under the bus.

#2-There was no excuse for it like because it was right after a tough loss. Manning is one of the most intelligent people in the league. He is also one of the most calculated when it comes to saying the right thing.

#3-He is a part of the problem. The problem is that the line is average as a unit. Their success in the regular season is largely due to the fact that most teams aren't the 3-4 blitzing scheme that the Pats and Steelers play. Alot of things are covered up by the quick release and play action. When it comes crunch time, this is minimized by pressure applied by aggressive defenses and Peyton's mindset that he has to save the day by throwing the ball(Notice the 14 rushes against Pittsburg with a 4.0 ypc).

Until he or someone who makes him decides to stick with the running game, the Colts are in trouble come playoff time.

Now, with that said, 2006 Go Colts!
I know you and I have not been the best of buds on the board, but I respect the hell out of this statement.
Thanks, I know when to call a spade a spade.I know the idea behind calling plays at the line, but I found a trend that I'm sure was obvious to the Steelers in the game film.

Peyton rarely snaps the ball outside of 5 seconds left on the playclock. Therefore, the Steelers were waiting until 5 secs. were left to move their personnel. For all of the out-thinking Peyton was trying to do, he was outdone!

You have to vary your playcalling.

If a team is going to blitz, they aren't deciding that w/ 5 secs left on the game clock. Go to the line and snap the ball with the first read some of the time. It could work no worse than what has happened otherwise.

I thought both offenses were predictable. EVERY time the Steelers line up 2 WRs to the right and bring the TE in motion to the right, they do the pitch-sweep with FWP. Watch for it this weekend.

There are other examples too.

 
This comes from one of the staunchest supporters of the Colts on this board...

#1-He absolutely tossed them under the bus.

#2-There was no excuse for it like because it was right after a tough loss. Manning is one of the most intelligent people in the league. He is also one of the most calculated when it comes to saying the right thing.

#3-He is a part of the problem. The problem is that the line is average as a unit. Their success in the regular season is largely due to the fact that most teams aren't the 3-4 blitzing scheme that the Pats and Steelers play. Alot of things are covered up by the quick release and play action. When it comes crunch time, this is minimized by pressure applied by aggressive defenses and Peyton's mindset that he has to save the day by throwing the ball(Notice the 14 rushes against Pittsburg with a 4.0 ypc).

Until he or someone who makes him decides to stick with the running game, the Colts are in trouble come playoff time.

Now, with that said, 2006 Go Colts!
I know you and I have not been the best of buds on the board, but I respect the hell out of this statement.
Thanks, I know when to call a spade a spade.I know the idea behind calling plays at the line, but I found a trend that I'm sure was obvious to the Steelers in the game film.

Peyton rarely snaps the ball outside of 5 seconds left on the playclock. Therefore, the Steelers were waiting until 5 secs. were left to move their personnel. For all of the out-thinking Peyton was trying to do, he was outdone!

You have to vary your playcalling.

If a team is going to blitz, they aren't deciding that w/ 5 secs left on the game clock. Go to the line and snap the ball with the first read some of the time. It could work no worse than what has happened otherwise.

I thought both offenses were predictable. EVERY time the Steelers line up 2 WRs to the right and bring the TE in motion to the right, they do the pitch-sweep with FWP. Watch for it this weekend.

There are other examples too.
This is 100 percent correct, but this is not the first time check the patriot games in the playoffs.
 
This comes from one of the staunchest supporters of the Colts on this board...

#1-He absolutely tossed them under the bus.

#2-There was no excuse for it like because it was right after a tough loss. Manning is one of the most intelligent people in the league. He is also one of the most calculated when it comes to saying the right thing.

#3-He is a part of the problem. The problem is that the line is average as a unit. Their success in the regular season is largely due to the fact that most teams aren't the 3-4 blitzing scheme that the Pats and Steelers play. Alot of things are covered up by the quick release and play action. When it comes crunch time, this is minimized by pressure applied by aggressive defenses and Peyton's mindset that he has to save the day by throwing the ball(Notice the 14 rushes against Pittsburg with a 4.0 ypc).

Until he or someone who makes him decides to stick with the running game, the Colts are in trouble come playoff time.

Now, with that said, 2006 Go Colts!
I know you and I have not been the best of buds on the board, but I respect the hell out of this statement.
Thanks, I know when to call a spade a spade.I know the idea behind calling plays at the line, but I found a trend that I'm sure was obvious to the Steelers in the game film.

Peyton rarely snaps the ball outside of 5 seconds left on the playclock. Therefore, the Steelers were waiting until 5 secs. were left to move their personnel. For all of the out-thinking Peyton was trying to do, he was outdone!

You have to vary your playcalling.

If a team is going to blitz, they aren't deciding that w/ 5 secs left on the game clock. Go to the line and snap the ball with the first read some of the time. It could work no worse than what has happened otherwise.

I thought both offenses were predictable. EVERY time the Steelers line up 2 WRs to the right and bring the TE in motion to the right, they do the pitch-sweep with FWP. Watch for it this weekend.

There are other examples too.
This is 100 percent correct, but this is not the first time check the patriot games in the playoffs.
Agreed. Steelers followed the blueprint.
 

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