Manning out for 4-6 weeks! (1 Viewer)

[Follows Closely]

This is very late into the "non-playing" season to have surgery, very strange...

Peyton Manning will miss at least the next four to six weeks after undergoing arthroscopic surgery on his left knee.

The procedure removed a "bursa sac" from Manning's knee. Indianapolis opens camp on July 25; the optimistic projection would cost him only the first two and a half weeks of workouts. The Colts call the procedure "routine," but say the knee has bothered Manning since February. Consider downgrading him slightly in fantasy drafts, but he should still be the No. 2 quarterback off the board. We wouldn't be concerned about Manning's status for Week 1 unless he is out longer than six weeks. Jim Sorgi will break training camp with the ones. Jul. 14 - 10:57 pm et

-http://www.rotoworld.com/content/HeadLines...L&hl=118018

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

Here is the link from NFL.com that the post above refers to: http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=0...mp;confirm=true

 

[Deuceman]

Very interesting. Especially with him missing TC time.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

You never want to have your QB having any kind of surgery in the middle of July, let's be honest. However, we all know Peyton will work like crazy to be ready for week 1, Indy really doesn't play that hard in their preseason games and I think the article is correct, Peyton Manning will probably slip a little in drafts but will still be NO. 2. His ADP will now be closer to Tony Romo than Tom Brady.

 

[trader jake]

The only minor surgery is the surgery that's performed on somebody else.

If the Manning led Colts hope to add a second title they're going to need a lot of players to get healthy during training camp.

 

[Mark Wimer]

Link

This is the part that makes me nervous:

Manning "had been receiving conservative treatment for an inflamed bursa sac in consultation with the club's medical staff since February, 2008. This course of treatment was productive until Peyton experienced increased pain and early signs of infection."

Infection in the knee is no joke. Joe Jurevicius' situation with a staph infection in his knee up in Cleveland illustrates how an infection can lead to multiple procedures... I sure hope that isn't the case here, though they didn't specify what type of infection was spreading through the knee in Manning's case.

Such a precipitous decision for surgery on the eve of training camp doesn't look good from where I'm sitting, though.

Hmmm.

 

[Jason Wood]

Obviously this is a big deal but there's nothing to be done now but wait to see if the timetable set forth is legitimate. If he's really going to be back in 4 to 6 weeks good as new, this is a relative non event. Manning obviously knows the playbook inside and out and the majority of the Colts offense is also well versed enough to pickup where they left off. But there will be a lot of nervous fantasy drafters between now and the day he's cleared to practice.

 

[purestrength]

As a Colts fan, I'm very concerned about this, considering how Marvin Harrison was supposed to return week after week last season based on team estimates.

As a Manning owner in multiple fantasy leagues, I think I'm going to toss my cookies.

 

[Sarlakticacid]

Farve to the colts?

On a one year deal while Manning recovers

 

[IndyHavoc]

Call me crazy, but I'm somewhat glad for this. Take care of the knee now and get it pain free. Also, actually giving Sorgi a couple weeks of solid time with the first squad isn't such an awful thing. My only "down" to this is the lack of time the new guys get with Manning early in TC. /shrug. Again, definitely something to watch...but not getting my self in a twist just yet.

 

[pizzatyme]

Upside- Colts get to give Sorgi additional reps.

Downside- Manning joins a growing list of Colts stars (Freeney, Harrison, Sanders) with question marks entering Training Camp. The Colts have to get healthy or else this will be one long year with their schedule.

 

[Brutis]

Oh no!! Peyton is going to miss all of july and part of August.

 

[Todem]

Call me crazy, but I'm somewhat glad for this. Take care of the knee now and get it pain free. Also, actually giving Sorgi a couple weeks of solid time with the first squad isn't such an awful thing. My only "down" to this is the lack of time the new guys get with Manning early in TC. /shrug. Again, definitely something to watch...but not getting my self in a twist just yet.

I am actually shocked the Colt's have not gone out and aquired a quality back up. Sorgi is just g-d awful. Man that guys stinks. If he had to play any game or even a quarter in the regular season the Colt's are toast.

 

[Londo]

Hopefully, Manning just wants to sit out of training camp. If that's not the case, then the timing of this is pretty suspect.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Call me crazy, but I'm somewhat glad for this. Take care of the knee now and get it pain free. Also, actually giving Sorgi a couple weeks of solid time with the first squad isn't such an awful thing. My only "down" to this is the lack of time the new guys get with Manning early in TC. /shrug. Again, definitely something to watch...but not getting my self in a twist just yet.

This is not good news for Hall, Aromashodu, Tamme, Garcon and to a lesser degree, Gonzalez.

 

[Jeff Haseley]

The silver lining - you can now potentially draft Manning in the 3rd round or later.

 

[supermark_28]

It's probably too early to answer this question but does Addai get an upgrade,downgrade or stay the same?

 

[djcolts]

4 to 6 weeks is probably in time for the 2nd to last pre-season game, which is the one where the starters get the most reps (August 24th).

I'd say if we assume that Peyton doesn't miss any games - this is a slight uptick to Wayne and Clark, and a slight downtick for every other Colts receiver because of the reps missed in training camp.

 

[zadok]

Oh no!! Peyton is going to miss all of july and part of August.

Unless it drags on for longer, this means absolutely nothing. He's a tough dude and stars don't need TC or the preseason.

 

[JaxBill]

Hopefully his rehab cuts into his commercial schedule.

 

[obxlegends]

Bump Sorgi up on your draft boards!

 

[mbuehner]

Downgrade his rushing yards from 48 to 31.

Buy low, and this is as low as Manning ever gets until his arm falls off amazingly enough.

 

[David Dodds]

From Jene Bramel - Our staff doctor:

In general, surgical procedures for bursitis, including an infected bursa sac, are uncommon. Like anything else, however, I would guess that the timetables and likelihood of surgery are greatly accelerated in professional sports. In this case, it looks like Manning has had chronic issues with the knee, so it was probably a quick and easy decision to move forward once there were signs of infection.

From my brief reading, it appears most patients recover well, though it will be a minimum 4 week recovery -- 6-8 weeks is the most common recovery period in the literature. There are some risks of complication, most notably a recurrence of bursitis in the tissue that grows back after surgery. That risk is reasonably low.

Manning isn't exactly a mobile guy, so the success of his recovery shouldn't be a major issue on that front. However, the front leg is critical for stabilization on the follow-through obviously, so the main risk (as it was for Carson Palmer's recovery) is that Manning's accuracy could suffer.

Were it me, I'd consider downgrading him slightly -- assuming that he'll play but may or may not be 100% for the first couple of weeks of the regular season.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Downgrade his rushing yards from 48 to 31. Buy low, and this is as low as Manning ever gets until his arm falls off amazingly enough.

His yardage is nothing as you say. But interestingly, he's scored 7 rushing TDs over the last 2 years (4 in 2006 and 3 last year). Those add up in some leagues.J

 

[Joe Bryant]

Buy low, and this is as low as Manning ever gets until his arm falls off amazingly enough.

This is my gut feel that I'm leaning toward this morning. Most QBs are overvalued anyways. And Manning is usually at the top of that list just because of the name recognition factor. But if there was ever a season where he'd be less over valued than normal, this would likely be it. Another important thing to remember, most of these athletes don't follow the "normal" timeline for recovery you see. What takes me 4-6 weeks to recover from takes an elite athlete (with nothing to do but rehab his injury) a significantly less time. My gut feel is that he'll be ready and close to 100%, if not 100% for Week 1. But that's just a guess right now so take that for what it's worth.J

 

[Jason Wood]

Buy low, and this is as low as Manning ever gets until his arm falls off amazingly enough.

This is my gut feel that I'm leaning toward this morning. Most QBs are overvalued anyways. And Manning is usually at the top of that list just because of the name recognition factor. But if there was ever a season where he'd be less over valued than normal, this would likely be it. Another important thing to remember, most of these athletes don't follow the "normal" timeline for recovery you see. What takes me 4-6 weeks to recover from takes an elite athlete (with nothing to do but rehab his injury) a significantly less time. My gut feel is that he'll be ready and close to 100%, if not 100% for Week 1. But that's just a guess right now so take that for what it's worth.J

Agreed. The interesting thing is that I would venture quite a few "sharks" in this pool are inclined to pass on Manning in most drafts anyway (preferring to grab another position in the 1st/2nd round); so if Manning really does fall a round or two and yet is his old self, that could come back to hurt a lot of us as our league mates ended up with a QB we wouldn't have drafted anyway, only they got them at a better value and bolstered their RB/WR corps to boot.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Buy low, and this is as low as Manning ever gets until his arm falls off amazingly enough.

This is my gut feel that I'm leaning toward this morning. Most QBs are overvalued anyways. And Manning is usually at the top of that list just because of the name recognition factor. But if there was ever a season where he'd be less over valued than normal, this would likely be it. Another important thing to remember, most of these athletes don't follow the "normal" timeline for recovery you see. What takes me 4-6 weeks to recover from takes an elite athlete (with nothing to do but rehab his injury) a significantly less time. My gut feel is that he'll be ready and close to 100%, if not 100% for Week 1. But that's just a guess right now so take that for what it's worth.J

Agreed. The interesting thing is that I would venture quite a few "sharks" in this pool are inclined to pass on Manning in most drafts anyway (preferring to grab another position in the 1st/2nd round); so if Manning really does fall a round or two and yet is his old self, that could come back to hurt a lot of us as our league mates ended up with a QB we wouldn't have drafted anyway, only they got them at a better value and bolstered their RB/WR corps to boot.

Exactly.This might be the first year a long time where Peyton Manning is undervalued.J

 

[sholditch]

The silver lining - you can now potentially draft Manning in the 3rd round or later.

The ONLY important thing about this news. Sweetness. This is great news for everyone in a redraft.

 

[T Bell]

I sure hope Manning has enough time to learn the new offense.

 

[compone]

Buy low, and this is as low as Manning ever gets until his arm falls off amazingly enough.

This is my gut feel that I'm leaning toward this morning. Most QBs are overvalued anyways. And Manning is usually at the top of that list just because of the name recognition factor. But if there was ever a season where he'd be less over valued than normal, this would likely be it. Another important thing to remember, most of these athletes don't follow the "normal" timeline for recovery you see. What takes me 4-6 weeks to recover from takes an elite athlete (with nothing to do but rehab his injury) a significantly less time. My gut feel is that he'll be ready and close to 100%, if not 100% for Week 1. But that's just a guess right now so take that for what it's worth.J

With all due respect I don't agree with the statement that most QBs are overvalued. Also, FBG always has articles suggesting not to draft QBs early, but to platoon them and draft QBs later in the draft. The problem I have with that is if you have a consistant 22 PPG from the QB position you can concentrate your draft on other positions. Having no worries at the QB position makes me more comfortable then drafing a 2nd tier RB who more then likely will get hurt or play at less then 100% at some point during the season. I'm not saying just grab any QB, but I would certainly take Brady down to Roetherlisberger/Palmer before I even think about taking a RB ranked in the teen's (McGahee range). Maybe even before a 1 year starter in Grant or a player in question; Larry Johnson.

 

[djcolts]

Dungy says Manning to be back with three weeks left in preseason

 

[UnknownCoach]

Fortunately for Manning, this is probably the most intact offense in the NFL. It was built through the draft and they have retained all the pieces. It might hurt the developement of Gonzalez more than anything else. If Harrison can play, that's not a big deal.

 

[Max Power]

Dungy says Manning to be back with three weeks left in preseason

Coming from the same colts who listed Harrison as day to day and kept saying "he could have played if it were a playoff game" for 10 weeks?Seriously, why rush back your franchise QB for a preseason game?

 

[Interseptopus]

The title of this thread is kind of mis-leading. Makes me think that he's out 4-6 weeks of the season.

Perhaps changing it to 4-6 weeks of camp would clear that up?

Anyways, I think Joe Bryant hit it right on the head up there.

From a Physical Therapist perspective:

The bursa sac's only job is to be a sort of "spacer" between boney prominences and tendons. It's kind of a cushion. It can be inflammed and irritated. Usually rest let's it calm down but sometimes it just stays inflamed (bursitis).

Removal of a bursa sac is pretty routine. I don't get the quote in the original post "it's considered a routine procedure but the knee has bothered him since February"... that makes no sense. That's like saying well my hernia surgery is very routine, but the hernia has bothered me for 4 years (true story). That doesn't make the procedure any less routine!!

Nothing to worry about. The surgery is minimally invasive, prognosis is good. In no way do I see this slowing him down for this upcoming season. Manning is the smartest QB I've ever see on the field, and one of the most talented. He shouldn't miss a beat.

Those who really don't know much about this type of surgery may get scared away from it, thinking it'll cause problems later. He may have some pain, but he shouldn't have any secondary morbidities as a result of the opperation. He is a HUGE buy low candidate for just being Manning. Instead of being the #1 or #2 QB taken he'll possibly be the #6 (at least in my league with auction drafting). Don't get scared away from him this season, he's going to be perfectly fine

 

[Obie Wan]

The title of this thread is kind of mis-leading. Makes me think that he's out 4-6 weeks of the season. Perhaps changing it to 4-6 weeks of camp would clear that up?Anyways, I think Joe Bryant hit it right on the head up there. From a Physical Therapist perspective:The bursa sac's only job is to be a sort of "spacer" between boney prominences and tendons. It's kind of a cushion. It can be inflammed and irritated. Usually rest let's it calm down but sometimes it just stays inflamed (bursitis). unless the injury is more severe than a bursa sac - like a torn ligamentwhich would explain why they are rushing to operate as training camp opens.Removal of a bursa sac is pretty routine. I don't get the quote in the original post "it's considered a routine procedure but the knee has bothered him since February"... that makes no sense. That's like saying well my hernia surgery is very routine, but the hernia has bothered me for 4 years (true story). That doesn't make the procedure any less routine!! Nothing to worry about. The surgery is minimally invasive, prognosis is good. In no way do I see this slowing him down for this upcoming season. Manning is the smartest QB I've ever see on the field, and one of the most talented. He shouldn't miss a beat.Those who really don't know much about this type of surgery may get scared away from it, thinking it'll cause problems later. He may have some pain, but he shouldn't have any secondary morbidities as a result of the opperation. He is a HUGE buy low candidate for just being Manning. Instead of being the #1 or #2 QB taken he'll possibly be the #6 (at least in my league with auction drafting). Don't get scared away from him this season, he's going to be perfectly fine

 

[gianmarco]

My take on this:

Draft the other Manning

 

[Silver & Black]

I don't think the surgery itself or the recovery time is what could cause some problems for Manning or the Colts. I know the offense is in place and Manning obviously knows it like the back of his hand. But its been a long time since Manning threw live passes to his WR's and it is going to be a long time now before he can do so again. Despite the fact that Manning, Wayne and Dallas Clark have a good raport, and obviouisly Harrison if he is healthy, I think they still need the preseason to get the timing and chemistry back.

That being said, I think the only problem will be the first game or two when Manning comes back. His accuracy may suffer in that time, but I think he should be fine after that. The surgery itself doesn't frighten me.

 

[BigRed]

I think it could cause problems longer than that, and potentially serious ones.

:hopes Manning will fall: