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Manziel under investigation by NCAA - Suspended 2 qtrs vs Rice (1 Viewer)

Ramblin Wreck said:
roadkill1292 said:
Ramblin Wreck said:
My question is don't the schools make up the NCAA? So even if some schools break away they will still be running themselves and still have BS rules, right? Or am I missing something?

Isn't there a rumor that they want to pay all scholarship athletes $4K/year? Yeah, that's going to stop people from cheating. All that will do is pay the women's soccer team cash to make fans feel better about football players now being paid. Any of the good ones already get paid more than $4K.
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What BS rules could they make? If the O'Bannon suit succeeds, then schools will not be able to restrict the individual marketing deals that athletes can make, regardless of other contracts -- like scholarships -- they may sign directly with the school. The gist of the suit is that schools are not allowed to restrict the normal and legal business practices of their scholarship athletes, practices that every other university student are free to engage in. So if the schools lose, what really is illegal?

Any cheating that will be done after (if) O'Bannon wins his suit will come on the academic side of things. Because one of the few things colleges won't be forced to give up is that athletes must also be students in good standing. Of course, they may want to give that part of it up one day, too.
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Isn't the current rulebook full of dumb things like you can only call a recruit on every other Tuesday when it's raining outside? Hell, signing day is a dumb rule. Let the kids sign whenever they want.
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If schools want to enter into agreements like that with other schools and accept the punishments for those kinds of transgressions, I don't have a problem with it. Though a school could probably make a legal case for itself in those instances if it wanted to. But, hey, if they want to fire some recruiting coach for some breech of rules, be my guest. As long as they don't punish the recruits as well.

I think a lot of those silly rules fall by the wayside once the big restrictions are lifted. Why worry about what days coaches can call a kid when a booster, who the school can't legally control, is working with a kid all the time to arrange for his signing bonus, scholarship and stipend?

I didn't know signing day was a rule. I thought it was just a dumb tradition because we love our special days so much in this country.

 
roadkill1292 said:
Stewart Mandel of SI.com wrote today that public opinion has quickly turned around on this issue (in favor of letting the athletes make money off their likenesses) but you'd still never know it by reading the comments at the end of any column at a major website. Do those places attract the dumbest of the dumb?
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I'm not going to comment on the intelligence of the average college football fan.

 
The whole thing is basically not about Title IX but about some schools having a recruiting advantage right? None of the money would even come from the schools but still the athletes get peanuts. Wish all the players would just accept money for their autograph before playing their first game and force the issue. If you want to nickel and dime it aren't tuition cost different at each school? Isn't that an advantage "pay-wise." Perhaps I'm wrong.

Athletes cannot get paid because Alabama might have a recruiting advantage over Fresno State?

 
With regards to Title IX and having always heard you can not pay football players X and women's ping pong Z because it has to be the same.

Would a rule work where an athlete's "salary" would come from ticket price sales?

This way it would be fair to pay a football player 10X more than a ping pong player.

 
comfortably numb said:
With regards to Title IX and having always heard you can not pay football players X and women's ping pong Z because it has to be the same.

Would a rule work where an athlete's "salary" would come from ticket price sales?

This way it would be fair to pay a football player 10X more than a ping pong player.
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I think the argument being advanced in here is not that the schools would pay them, but that the players would not be restricted from earning money on their own. If they can sell a jersey, or do commercials for a car dealership, or do endorsements, just let them.

 
Thorn said:
comfortably numb said:
With regards to Title IX and having always heard you can not pay football players X and women's ping pong Z because it has to be the same.

Would a rule work where an athlete's "salary" would come from ticket price sales?

This way it would be fair to pay a football player 10X more than a ping pong player.
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I think the argument being advanced in here is not that the schools would pay them, but that the players would not be restricted from earning money on their own. If they can sell a jersey, or do commercials for a car dealership, or do endorsements, just let them.
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Exactly.

 
The NCAA at its finest.

Selling a signed picture of Reggie Bush. Such signed picture that if he did it while in college, he would be ruled ineligible. On top of it, the picture is of a game that never happened. That about sums up the NCAA in one action.

 
sporthenry said:
The NCAA at its finest.

Selling a signed picture of Reggie Bush. Such signed picture that if he did it while in college, he would be ruled ineligible. On top of it, the picture is of a game that never happened. That about sums up the NCAA in one action.
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Awesome. This stuff needs to become front page more and more so that this whole thing gets burned down.

 
Yankee23Fan said:
sporthenry said:
The NCAA at its finest.

Selling a signed picture of Reggie Bush. Such signed picture that if he did it while in college, he would be ruled ineligible. On top of it, the picture is of a game that never happened. That about sums up the NCAA in one action.
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Awesome. This stuff needs to become front page more and more so that this whole thing gets burned down.
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The idiots defenders of the system who say "What's Johnny Manziel's autograph worth if he's not wearing an A&M jersey?" have it exactly backwards. The question instead should be "What's an A&M No. 2 jersey worth without Johnny Manziel?"

Texas A&M's own inhouse study reported that Manziel's performance last year resulted in $37 million worth of additional exposure to the school.

It appears that the NCAA's defense that (1) it's not capitalizing on the likeness of student athletes and (2) that there is no inherent value in those likenesses have been pretty much destroyed. What exactly is the final defense gonna be? "We're special?"

 
Slapdash said:
sporthenry said:
The NCAA at its finest.

Selling a signed picture of Reggie Bush. Such signed picture that if he did it while in college, he would be ruled ineligible. On top of it, the picture is of a game that never happened. That about sums up the NCAA in one action.
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Should have kept his trophy.
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So when the power five break away from the NCAA, can they rehang all the stupid banners that probation made them take down?

 
Yankee23Fan said:
sporthenry said:
The NCAA at its finest.

Selling a signed picture of Reggie Bush. Such signed picture that if he did it while in college, he would be ruled ineligible. On top of it, the picture is of a game that never happened. That about sums up the NCAA in one action.
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Awesome. This stuff needs to become front page more and more so that this whole thing gets burned down.
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Bilas, who has been trumpeting this for as long as I can remember, put them on blast. He searched by names and their jerseys came up as more evidence that they exploit the players. Heck, one of the t-shirts specifically mentioned Manziel and his Heisman.

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NCAA takes down website, saying it could be seen as hypocritical.

My Link

:lmao: You can tell their business model is crumbling and it'll be funny to watch them continue to fight as Emmert continues to tote amateurism as they take in billions.

 
The NCAA taking down ncaashop.com or whatever it's called means nothing to them financially....they pay a 3rd party to run it, and 99% of the revenue they make comes from retailer sales / vendor royalties.

 
gump said:
The NCAA taking down ncaashop.com or whatever it's called means nothing to them financially....they pay a 3rd party to run it, and 99% of the revenue they make comes from retailer sales / vendor royalties.
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The damage is mostly in the realm of public opinion, which continues to shift against the current model.

 
roadkill1292 said:
gump said:
The NCAA taking down ncaashop.com or whatever it's called means nothing to them financially....they pay a 3rd party to run it, and 99% of the revenue they make comes from retailer sales / vendor royalties.
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The damage is mostly in the realm of public opinion, which continues to shift against the current model.
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True...just pointing out the minimal bottom line impact, if they are trying to spin some positive news from it.

 
I'm surprised they didn't suspend him for the second half, after A&M already is ahead 42-0.

I guess maybe he signed "Johnny Football" and they declared he only signed half his name. It's a technicality!

 
Abraham said:
badmojo1006 said:
Manziel to be suspended for the first half of the Rice game
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This makes no sense. If he took money for autographs then they would be wise not to put him on the field at all. And if he didn't he should be able to play the whole game. Isn't a half game suspension basically an admission of guilt? I'm pretty sure the NCAA isn't going to be placated by a half game suspension.
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Not sure who is jabbering on SVP right now, but he's saying that they did that because he shouldn't have been signing this much stuff for no money, either because it looks bad, in addition to the fact that someone will obviously profit greatly from this stuff in the future.

That does make a little sense. Apparently there is some NCAA rule about doing this, too. Dunno...

Anyway, I just wanted to say that I think they should have suspended him for the second half of the game. That could have made for a very interesting game. Rice is highly motivated, and plays it safe in the first half to keep it close, knowing they get to come out swinging in the second half. Kind of a Rocky story-line. I guess it would be a lot better if it wasn't for TAMU-Manziel >> Rice. Still interesting, though...

 
I heard A&M was going to suspend Johnny Signature for the pregame meal and half of the pregame warmups. This is way too harsh.

 
Should he be concerned at all of the IRS investigating Johnny not including this income in a tax filing? Maybe it is so low from a dollar value that the IRS will not investigate.

 
How many games did the Ohio State tattoo boys get?

What about Dez for his dinner with Deion?

The NCAA consistently inconsistent

 
Dickie Dunn said:
I'm surprised they didn't suspend him for the second half, after A&M already is ahead 42-0.

I guess maybe he signed "Johnny Football" and they declared he only signed half his name. It's a technicality!
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Hey rice won a bowl game last year. (Maybe)

 
The NCAA and A&M followed the money... as in if the NCAA / A&M suspended Johnny A Hole for more than a game, they may not make as much money.

 
The Commish said:
badmojo1006 said:
Manziel to be suspended for the first half of the Rice game
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:lmao:

Figures....so much for "teaching the teams of the NCAA a lesson to fear the NCAA" with the PSU punishment.....the NCAA continues to be the laughing stock and it seems like they are less feared now than ever.
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The NCAA is a laughingstock, but I'm not sure your argument makes much sense. I think most people would agree that the "don't let your coaches rape kids" lesson is slightly more important than the "don't take a couple bucks to sign memorabilia" lesson, so they're not really being inconsistent.

 
Yenrub said:
How many games did the Ohio State tattoo boys get?

What about Dez for his dinner with Deion?

The NCAA consistently inconsistent
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They're consistent.

If you're black and don't break the rules, you get a season suspension.

If you're the great white hope Johnny Football caught red-handed, you get suspended for one half of a meaningless football game.

 
TobiasFunke said:
The Commish said:
badmojo1006 said:
Manziel to be suspended for the first half of the Rice game
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:lmao:

Figures....so much for "teaching the teams of the NCAA a lesson to fear the NCAA" with the PSU punishment.....the NCAA continues to be the laughing stock and it seems like they are less feared now than ever.
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The NCAA is a laughingstock, but I'm not sure your argument makes much sense. I think most people would agree that the "don't let your coaches rape kids" lesson is slightly more important than the "don't take a couple bucks to sign memorabilia" lesson, so they're not really being inconsistent.
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Based on what I was told on this very board, the PSU punishment by the NCAA was necessary to show the schools the NCAA was the ruling body in charge of making sure schools didn't gain a competitive advantage in their sports. This argument was made despite not a single NCAA rule being broken and the NCAA really having no grounds to punish PSU. When the NCAA does things like this it goes directly against the "we aren't going to tolerate" and "we are in charge" nonsense the NCAA apologists were spewing during the PSU case.

 
SacramentoBob said:
Yenrub said:
How many games did the Ohio State tattoo boys get?

What about Dez for his dinner with Deion?

The NCAA consistently inconsistent
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They're consistent.

If you're black and don't break the rules, you get a season suspension.

If you're the great white hope Johnny Football caught red-handed, you get suspended for one half of a meaningless football game.
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Truth.

 
SacramentoBob said:
Yenrub said:
How many games did the Ohio State tattoo boys get?

What about Dez for his dinner with Deion?

The NCAA consistently inconsistent
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They're consistent.If you're black and don't break the rules, you get a season suspension.

If you're the great white hope Johnny Football caught red-handed, you get suspended for one half of a meaningless football game.
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Anyone know the ramifications of the O'Bannon case? Can players benefit from their image/likeness while in college? Just caught little blurbs here and there how this will change the landscape.

 
Garrett said:
The NCAA can kiss my ###...

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=6587668

Adams bought a bumper sticker decades ago and kids sat out 9 games because of that.

Manziel puts thousands of dollars in his pocket and he misses half a game.
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Amateurism is an untenable concept and we are wasting millions trying to enforce it. Adams is a private citizen and should be able to support IU basketball and its players as he wishes.

Daywalker said:
Anyone know the ramifications of the O'Bannon case? Can players benefit from their image/likeness while in college? Just caught little blurbs here and there how this will change the landscape.
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There's a thread addressing that around here somewhere (search "lawsuit") where we radicals call the NCAA bad names and shout down our opponents in a discourteous manner. Manziel and O'Bannon are very closely tied. If the lawsuit is successful, JFF could sell himself for millions and still play for A&M. But we're still years away from that if the colleges dispute the suit as long as they can instead of re-organizing their corrupt system.

 
Yeah, I think everyone is missing the fact that the NCAA didn't do the halftime suspension. This was just something TAMU came up with and NCAA said, fine whatever.

 
this is not to criticize the punishment, if there was no proof there was no proof

but i think this hurts Manziel

The dude clearly has the entitled athlete syndrome to a pretty sever degree. He's been pampered and catered to and told he was the greatest his whole life. He clearly thinks rules do not apply to him, and I think this simply reinforces that. He's more than happy to soak in the upside of being a heisman winning QB, but quick to cry "woah is me, the fame is crushing" whenever he perceives anything not going his way

from club throwing on the golf course, to thinking the cops are after him for waking him up to tell him his car is parked illegally, to the manning camp his reaction is the same, Johnny is a special boy and everyone had better see it, your rules do not apply to him.

the kid has been groomed to be a diva, and this episode is just another wrung on the ladder.

 
culdeus said:
Yeah, I think everyone is missing the fact that the NCAA didn't do the halftime suspension. This was just something TAMU came up with and NCAA said, fine whatever.
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Problem, for me anyway, is the NCAA says there is no evidence of a violation, but they are allowing him to be punished? It'd be one thing if he were benched for violation of team rules, but that's not the case.

 
Missing that first half is really going to hamper his Heisman repeat campaign. I hope he can somehow make up those stats in one of their other tough non-conference games.

 
The Commish said:
culdeus said:
Yeah, I think everyone is missing the fact that the NCAA didn't do the halftime suspension. This was just something TAMU came up with and NCAA said, fine whatever.
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Problem, for me anyway, is the NCAA says there is no evidence of a violation, but they are allowing him to be punished? It'd be one thing if he were benched for violation of team rules, but that's not the case.
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Do you just make stuff up over your NCAA hatred? Since when does the NCAA allow or disallow punishments set by the school?

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
The Commish said:
culdeus said:
Yeah, I think everyone is missing the fact that the NCAA didn't do the halftime suspension. This was just something TAMU came up with and NCAA said, fine whatever.
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Problem, for me anyway, is the NCAA says there is no evidence of a violation, but they are allowing him to be punished? It'd be one thing if he were benched for violation of team rules, but that's not the case.
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Do you just make stuff up over your NCAA hatred? Since when does the NCAA allow or disallow punishments set by the school?
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:confused: They just allowed this one even though there was no evidence of wrong doing. This wasn't a violation of team rules situation...surely you see the difference??

ETA: "Hatred" for the NCAA would have to mean I put some sort of stock in them or acknowledge their validity. I think it's clear neither is true.

 
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Listened to Mike and Mike this morning. Bilas was on. He shredded Golic on this whole mess. The ridiculous "pandora's box" of letting money into college football and the arguments that revolve around competative balance are such a crock that we should really be at the point where anyone that makes them should just be ignored in the sports world from that point forward.

Good for Johnny. I hope more players bring the NCAA to the brink.

 
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