Manziel under investigation by NCAA - Suspended 2 qtrs vs Rice (1 Viewer)

[comfortably numb]

Listened to Mike and Mike this morning. Bilas was on. He shredded Golic on this whole mess. The ridiculous "pandora's box" of letting money into college football and the arguments that revolve around competative balance are such a crock that we should really be at the point where anyone that makes them should just be ignored in the sports world from that point forward.

Good for Johnny. I hope more players bring the NCAA to the brink.

agreed.

I understand what people are saying that paying athletes will make the rich teams get all the players...but that happens now.

Even indirectly as Bilas pointed out through better training facilities, better coaches...hotter chicks.

 

[flapgreen]

That poor *******

 

[Slider6]

Listened to Mike and Mike this morning. Bilas was on. He shredded Golic on this whole mess. The ridiculous "pandora's box" of letting money into college football and the arguments that revolve around competative balance are such a crock that we should really be at the point where anyone that makes them should just be ignored in the sports world from that point forward.

Good for Johnny. I hope more players bring the NCAA to the brink.

Well, there's your first problem.

 

[roadkill1292]

It must be a difficult dilemma for major college presidents. On the one hand they have this massive revenue stream that they have a fiduciary duty to protect and enhance. OTOH their mission, and their background, is education and it has to be uncomfortable for them to see so many demands made by school supporters on behalf of the football/basketball programs. At some point, some of these people may say that it's just not worth the hassle; we're gonna be the best university we can be without football being a big deal here.

 

[B-Deep]

It must be a difficult dilemma for major college presidents. On the one hand they have this massive revenue stream that they have a fiduciary duty to protect and enhance. OTOH their mission, and their background, is education and it has to be uncomfortable for them to see so many demands made by school supporters on behalf of the football/basketball programs. At some point, some of these people may say that it's just not worth the hassle; we're gonna be the best university we can be without football being a big deal here.

I think you overestimate their mission and background

 

[Socrates11]

That'll teach him!

 

[roadkill1292]

It must be a difficult dilemma for major college presidents. On the one hand they have this massive revenue stream that they have a fiduciary duty to protect and enhance. OTOH their mission, and their background, is education and it has to be uncomfortable for them to see so many demands made by school supporters on behalf of the football/basketball programs. At some point, some of these people may say that it's just not worth the hassle; we're gonna be the best university we can be without football being a big deal here.

I think you overestimate their mission and background

How so and at what types of schools? I think the presidents of Northwestern, Duke, Vanderbilt and Stanford (their recent success notwithstanding) will have a very different take on football's role at the university than will the president of Alabama and Texas.

Though it's also interesting to note that the four schools I mentioned are probably loaded with wealthy alumni who could easily endow 100 football scholarships and stipends. Now finding 100 recruits who can meet those schools' academic standards may be an issue but it's still fun to speculate what might happen.

I had an amusing discussion with someone at another board who was concerned that the elimination of amateur players in college football would mean that Northwestern or even Yale could win the national championship by virtue of their rich alumni, as if that signaled the beginning of the apocalypse. Are only the Alabamas and Oklahomas allowed to win football titles?

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Are only the Alabamas and Oklahomas allowed to win football titles?

Not to be too obtuse, but yes, the system that is in place right now specifically demands that.

 

[B-Deep]

It must be a difficult dilemma for major college presidents. On the one hand they have this massive revenue stream that they have a fiduciary duty to protect and enhance. OTOH their mission, and their background, is education and it has to be uncomfortable for them to see so many demands made by school supporters on behalf of the football/basketball programs. At some point, some of these people may say that it's just not worth the hassle; we're gonna be the best university we can be without football being a big deal here.

I think you overestimate their mission and background

How so and at what types of schools? I think the presidents of Northwestern, Duke, Vanderbilt and Stanford (their recent success notwithstanding) will have a very different take on football's role at the university than will the president of Alabama and Texas.

Though it's also interesting to note that the four schools I mentioned are probably loaded with wealthy alumni who could easily endow 100 football scholarships and stipends. Now finding 100 recruits who can meet those schools' academic standards may be an issue but it's still fun to speculate what might happen.

I had an amusing discussion with someone at another board who was concerned that the elimination of amateur players in college football would mean that Northwestern or even Yale could win the national championship by virtue of their rich alumni, as if that signaled the beginning of the apocalypse. Are only the Alabamas and Oklahomas allowed to win football titles?

i don't think the presidents of OSU, Alabama, USC ot Texas see, or will see, any dilemma. Football brings in massive cash, that is what they are there for. I doubt they spend any restless nights worrying about how all that money involves conflicts with their educational mission

 

[roadkill1292]

Are only the Alabamas and Oklahomas allowed to win football titles?

Not to be too obtuse, but yes, the system that is in place right now specifically demands that.

Assuming the Olympic model holds sway in the future, what if the president of Northwestern decided that he had plenty of wealthy alumni who would like to make a run at the heights of college football, relaxed his academic standards in order to recruit the best players nationwide (with the added bonus of possibly procuring a NU degree), hired the best coach in the land and then proceeded to thump the SEC teams year after year. That's pretty funny to imagine, not the least because of how many people that would piss off.

 

[roadkill1292]

i don't think the presidents of OSU, Alabama, USC ot Texas see, or will see, any dilemma. Football brings in massive cash, that is what they are there for. I doubt they spend any restless nights worrying about how all that money involves conflicts with their educational mission

No they won't. But there are schools and then there are schools.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Are only the Alabamas and Oklahomas allowed to win football titles?

Not to be too obtuse, but yes, the system that is in place right now specifically demands that.

 

[roadkill1292]

Are only the Alabamas and Oklahomas allowed to win football titles?

Not to be too obtuse, but yes, the system that is in place right now specifically demands that.

I read a blog recently where the guy wrote that without the "facade of parity," college football will be destroyed, and he was dead serious about this as a reason for why the guise of amateurism shouldn't be lifted. I also read that in the period from 1950-2011, 10 schools had accounted for 45% of the top eight spots in the final football rankings. All of which means that college football fans are among the most delusional of any sport anywhere.

 

[Raider Nation]

This kid is just not very likable. Spoiled punk. Nice personal foul for at two Rice defenders after a TD.

 

[Raider Nation]

Oh, Johnny.First you gain a first down on an 8-yard run. And then mime your John Hancock in the air.

Then you throw your first touchdown pass. And then you show us the money.

Then you throw your third touchdown pass. And you talk trash to the Rice defense.

Then you earn your team a 15-yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. And get chewed out, then benched by Kevin Sumlin for your "stupid" actions, according to ESPN's broadcast.

Sure hope he doesn't get hurt or anything.

 

[Das Boot]

Maybe we'll see a little less of the "he's just being a kid" crowd defending his stupid arrogant actions.

Maybe.

 

[Raider Nation]

Maybe we'll see a little less of the "he's just being a kid" crowd defending his stupid arrogant actions.

Maybe.

I would hope everyone realizes by now that he's just an ass.

 

[mr roboto]

Lets say he has a great year again. Lets say when he enters the draft he was the best college QB coming out physically. But this attitude doesn't change. How many spots/rounds would it cost him, if any?

 

[Premier]

Yes, how dare a player do something as ridiculous as talking trash on the esteemed football field.

 

[Raider Nation]

Yes, how dare a player do something as ridiculous as talking trash on the esteemed football field.

Okay.

 

[Raider Nation]

A&M coach Kevin Sumlin said to ESPN afterward, "I hoped that at this point he'd have learned something. That's why he wasn't going back in the game, no matter what happened."

 

[Dr Oadi]

Yes, how dare a player do something as ridiculous as talking trash on the esteemed football field.

Okay.

Hope he keeps it up. What else are people going to act all holier than thou about?

 

[Raider Nation]

Gotta admit, there's nothing more fun than rooting for an entitled rich kid who has a horrible attitude.

 

[JShare87]

The way I saw Rice started talking trash to him when he signed the auto in air. On the td with the personal foul he went to congratulate his wideout and again looked like rice started with him. All he did was point to the scoreboard. As to his coach saying that's the reason he wasn't going back in the game you are crazy if you believe any 1st string qb would've went back in the game up 21 with 2 minutes left. The media is going to continue to pick him apart. Say what you want the kid can play football. The way I see it you either love him or hate him. The people that hate him will never give him props no matter what.

 

[JShare87]

He's been doing the money thing since last year

 

[Steve Tasker]

Love this guy. He doesn't give a ####.

 

[Premier]

Gotta admit, there's nothing more fun than rooting for an entitled rich kid who has a horrible attitude.

Most football players run their mouths on the field. For God's sake, you're a Raiders fan. What are you even talking about?

 

[SIDA!]

Love this guy. He doesn't give a ####.

I generally like abrasive personalities who have the swagger to back up their mouth. But it is a fine line. And I am starting to think he is in the process of crossing it from my perspective.

 

[hammerva]

The taunting doesn't bother me that much. The 15 yard penalty will only bother me if it happens at a meaningful time. When he went to the coach after the penalty, he blew him off like he was a nobody. That show a complete lack of respect. But I guess I shouldn't blame him since he is bulletproof from any real actions. The coach is neutered right now.

 

[Raider Nation]

Gotta admit, there's nothing more fun than rooting for an entitled rich kid who has a horrible attitude.

Most football players run their mouths on the field. For God's sake, you're a Raiders fan. What are you even talking about?

Huh?

 

[SIDA!]

Gotta admit, there's nothing more fun than rooting for an entitled rich kid who has a horrible attitude.

Most football players run their mouths on the field. For God's sake, you're a Raiders fan. What are you even talking about?

Huh?

I think he was suggesting that the Raiders organization is littered with players that didn't possess the world's best sportsmanship on the field of play.

 

[Raider Nation]

Gotta admit, there's nothing more fun than rooting for an entitled rich kid who has a horrible attitude.

Most football players run their mouths on the field. For God's sake, you're a Raiders fan. What are you even talking about?

Huh?

I think he was suggesting that the Raiders organization is littered with players that didn't possess the world's best sportsmanship on the field of play.

What year is this???

 

[Das Boot]

Gotta admit, there's nothing more fun than rooting for an entitled rich kid who has a horrible attitude.

Most football players run their mouths on the field. For God's sake, you're a Raiders fan. What are you even talking about?

Huh?

I think he was suggesting that the Raiders organization is littered with players that didn't possess the world's best sportsmanship on the field of play.

What year is this???

It's the year of Johnny Football! :confetti:

 

[badmojo1006]

I dislike this kid so much that I am rooting for Alabama to knock him silly when they play in a couple of weeks.

And I really hate Alabama

 

[Raider Nation]

I dislike this kid so much that I am rooting for Alabama to knock him silly when they play in a couple of weeks.

Gonna be awesome. Let's see how much he does in that game.

 

[JShare87]

Gotta admit, there's nothing more fun than rooting for an entitled rich kid who has a horrible attitude.

Most football players run their mouths on the field. For God's sake, you're a Raiders fan. What are you even talking about?

Huh?

I think he was suggesting that the Raiders organization is littered with players that didn't possess the world's best sportsmanship on the field of play.

What year is this???

It's the year of Johnny Football! :confetti:

Well said

 

[Ilov80s]

The kid from Rice that Johnny was "talking trash to" tweeted that Johnny said, "what's up nick, nice hit."

 

[Raider Nation]

The kid from Rice that Johnny was "talking trash to" tweeted that Johnny said, "what's up nick, nice hit."

He must speak very slowly.

 

[Ilov80s]

The kid from Rice that Johnny was "talking trash to" tweeted that Johnny said, "what's up nick, nice hit."

He must speak very slowly.

Are you implying Nick Elder is a liar?

 

[Raider Nation]

The kid from Rice that Johnny was "talking trash to" tweeted that Johnny said, "what's up nick, nice hit."

He must speak very slowly.

Are you implying Nick Elder is a liar?

I'm implying that he said a helluva lot more than "what's up nick, nice hit."...

 

[cstu]

Gotta admit, there's nothing more fun than rooting for an entitled rich kid who has a horrible attitude.

I'm rooting for him to do extremely well and for the Raiders to draft him.

 

[Raider Nation]

Section 114, paragraph B of the college football rulebook:

"Throw personal foul flag if a player compliments another player on a nice hit."

 

[flapgreen]

A guy that doesn't get it.

 

[B-Deep]

what a dooshbag

 

[jurb26]

It's a good thing they don't mic this kid. Every time they zoomed over to him on the sideline you could read his lips and see every other word was one that would need to be bleeped out.

 

[Koya]

Maybe we'll see a little less of the "he's just being a kid" crowd defending his stupid arrogant actions.

Maybe.

He is just a kid. And he deserves to get some slack for that.

Just like all the other "just a kids" - many of whom, for all their lack of years, don't act like selfish, arrogant, pathetic #######s.

Utter lack of leadership here, in comparison to "kids" his age - and hell, even four years younger.

 

[Koya]

The way I saw Rice started talking trash to him when he signed the auto in air. On the td with the personal foul he went to congratulate his wideout and again looked like rice started with him. All he did was point to the scoreboard. As to his coach saying that's the reason he wasn't going back in the game you are crazy if you believe any 1st string qb would've went back in the game up 21 with 2 minutes left. The media is going to continue to pick him apart. Say what you want the kid can play football. The way I see it you either love him or hate him. The people that hate him will never give him props no matter what.

Oh, please. Stop it.

I'm not a huge college football fan. I have no real allegiances at the DI level other than Syracuse - which means I have no real allegiances at DI football.

Last year I really liked the Johnny Football story. Had nothing against him, certainly nothing against the Aggies.

At this point? I hope he fails because it would be a shame to see this much of an arrogant, selfish person (at least from what I have seen, I don't know the kid personally, but he goes out of his way to show his lack of character it seems) be rewarded. Do I ever root for someone to get hurt? No. Would part of me, from a schaudenfraudic perspective revel if John-Me Football got his comeuppance? Hell yeah.

And you know why? NOTHING more than the fact that he seems to continue to act like a selfish, self centered fool.

So, if I am a hater, it all happened in less than a years time and all because of actions that this guy has done, all of his own accord. So yeah, blame the haters.

 

[bigbottom]

The kid from Rice that Johnny was "talking trash to" tweeted that Johnny said, "what's up nick, nice hit."

He must speak very slowly.

Are you implying Nick Elder is a liar?

That wasn't the play he was flagged for, was it?

 

[seahawk 17]

I am interested in what his teammates think of him?

 

[Hang 10]

Kid's got swagger.