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Marco Rubio 2016 (1 Viewer)

posted this in the GOP thread but probably appropriate here too

We have been saying for months that Rubio is a robot sent from the Koch headquarters to win the election and allow them to control the course of the United States for the next decade. Rubibot is perfect, he has the pedigree, the good looks, the beautiful family, the hot wife, the immigrant story (but not too immigrant-y), the meteoric rise through Florida politics, the mentor (Jeb!) who he has surpassed but as the election wore on the programmers have had their continued issue coming up with enough. For all the A.I. they tired to program into the Rubibot, they just can't add enough memory, so every night back at the Koch-cave they have to remove some and add some new ones the problem is that Rubibot cannot return to the Koch-cave every night as he is campaigning in Iowa or New Hampshire, so there are days he has to run on auto-pilot and with the 24/7 media cycle (and a fat man from NJ) he has been exposed.


Early on he would answer every question with "my father was a janitor and my mother was a maid". Then he went to "Hillary Rodham Clinton in completely disqualified for being president of the United States of America" and now he does the "let's dispel the myth that Barack Obama does not know what he is doing, he knows exactly what he is doing"

The last line is one they programmed specifically to help Rubibot overcome his one main deficiency, his own lack of experience. By spewing that Obama, with very little experience, was able to shape policy, it implies that Rubibot another first term senator with very little in terms of pushed legislation, too can shape policy.

There are only a few people aware of the Rubibot and the Koch laboratories, but we here at TOR headquarters have been working hard to expose it for you.

The only way you would know, other than opening up the latch in his back, are those big ears which are the transistors. His only downfall is that every once in a while Rubibot becomes over heated and he needs to add water and it becomes like a crisis level ticking time bomb. When he cannot immediately cool down his processors he falls into a endless computer loop.
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What I like about Marco Rubio is that he won't say or do anything just to get elected. Instead, he will just say the same thing over and over.

 
pity bump.

Tomorrow's debate might be his last chance to save the sinking ship. Hopefully they got his newest OS right.

 
jamny said:
pity bump.

Tomorrow's debate might be his last chance to save the sinking ship. Hopefully they got his newest OS right.
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:lol: on the pity bump.

I haven't watched the debates so I don't know first hand but from what I have heard what caused him problems in the debate is pretty easy to fix.

This might be Kasich's chance to shine and take from Rubio. I still prefer Rubio but I would not have any problems jumping on Kasich's train either if he moves up and Rubio fades.

Let's look at it:

Trump- Showing that there are too many people who watch reality shows and have no sense of what reality really is, he is still the man to beat. I WILL NOT VOTE FOR HIM.

Cruz- I have nothing against him. I think that he is not as good of a general election candidate as Rubio, Kasich or even Bush. I will not vote for him in primary but would in general.

Rubio- I think he has the best chance in a general assuming he can get his debate skills to par. Right now, he has my primary vote and of course general.

Kasich- There is a lot I like about Kasich. A lot. I really went back and forth on him and Rubio before deciding on who I would support through the primary. I could easily switch to him in primary and of course general.

Bush- The Bush name has been a blessing and curse to him at the same time. A lot of stumblings in the early campaigning season really set him back. I think people are not excited about him because of the last name. Unlikely to vote primary but would general.

Carson- I like the man and there are strengths there for sure but there are a lot of weaknesses. I can't see him lasting much longer. I am not opposed to voting for him in primary but don't see it happening but would in general.

 
Chadstroma said:
jamny said:
pity bump.

Tomorrow's debate might be his last chance to save the sinking ship. Hopefully they got his newest OS right.
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I haven't watched the debates so I don't know first hand but from what I have heard what caused him problems in the debate is pretty easy to fix.
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What he did in the last debate only highlighted what many of his supporters had concerns about. It's not just about his immediate repeat of something, yeah that could be fixed. It's about his scripted performances from the very first debate. That's not an easy fix. I always liked him in interviews, when he's relaxed, but a switch turns on (snicker) when he's in the debate format. He's nervous and that's what he knows to do. I think Christie did him a favor. He might not be able to recover this election but he'll be back. He can win my vote back but I just don't think he's ready.

 
jamny said:
Chadstroma said:
jamny said:
pity bump.

Tomorrow's debate might be his last chance to save the sinking ship. Hopefully they got his newest OS right.
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I haven't watched the debates so I don't know first hand but from what I have heard what caused him problems in the debate is pretty easy to fix.
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What he did in the last debate only highlighted what many of his supporters had concerns about. It's not just about his immediate repeat of something, yeah that could be fixed. It's about his scripted performances from the very first debate. That's not an easy fix. I always liked him in interviews, when he's relaxed, but a switch turns on (snicker) when he's in the debate format. He's nervous and that's what he knows to do. I think Christie did him a favor. He might not be able to recover this election but he'll be back. He can win my vote back but I just don't think he's ready.
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We all know the ability to debate well is important for a politician but honest and real question here: Does that really translate to being a good President? Now, let me make it clear, I am not asking in terms of trying to make an argument for Rubio. A big reason why he is getting my vote now is that I think he can win the general. If that is really not the case then I have no problem switching my vote. However, if we really think about it (and of course a good percentage of the general voting public does not really think about pretty much anything) what skills does being a good debater really show to us that actually is needed or good to have in the White House? I don't think much.

 
Buckfast 1 said:
With the gaffes piling up, I want look back to my personal favorite Rubio gaffe -- when Rubio was asked about his self-professed love for the Wu-Tang Clan, he was unable to name a single member. He goes on to say that his current favorite rapper is Pitbull and that he is a big fan of 2Pac and Dr. Dre's song "California." What a phony. :lmao:

Rubio must think that his cursory knowledge of 90's rap makes him look cool to the Young Republican crowd. It's actually kind of appalling when you realize that Rubio is attempting to appropriate the coolness of black hip hop culture in order to help himself get elected, so that he can enact right wing policies that go against everything that his alleged favorite rappers believe in.
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Meh. Do people remember Obama going into the booth with Costas & Rob Dibble during the All Star game?Obama proclaimed his love for the White Sox but then couldn't name a single sox player past or present.

Then he slaughtered the name of Comiskey, and he threw out this broad stereotype of Cubs fans (white wine drinking etc.).

Then he said oh but really he was an A's fan growing up, while switching from being an A's fan to what was then the hated division rival Sox was anathema to any old school A's fan.

Which is all kind of silly but fun. I think what disgusts me is Jeb actually attacking Rubio for his music choices (real or invented) like that really matters.

 
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NREC34 said:
Chadstroma said:
Mister CIA said:
Chadstroma said:
Rubio- I think he has the best chance in a general assuming he can get his debate skills to par. Right now, he has my primary vote and of course general.
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Say hello to Leonard Hankerson, your new tier mate.
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I have no idea what that means.
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Pretty mediocre tier. Football player
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Oh, well, in that case- excuse me why I go cry in the corner because Mister CIA hurt my feelings.

 
Chadstroma said:
NREC34 said:
Chadstroma said:
Mister CIA said:
Chadstroma said:
Rubio- I think he has the best chance in a general assuming he can get his debate skills to par. Right now, he has my primary vote and of course general.
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Say hello to Leonard Hankerson, your new tier mate.
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I have no idea what that means.
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Pretty mediocre tier. Football player
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Oh, well, in that case- excuse me why I go cry in the corner because Mister CIA hurt my feelings.
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Say hello to Leonard Hankerson, your new tier mate.

 
bolzano said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Which is all kind of silly but fun. I think what disgusts me is Jeb actually attacking Rubio for his music choices (real or invented) like that really matters.
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It did bother me when he said he's fond of Wu Tang, but couldn't name a member of the group. He was pandering to young people and got exposed, and it speaks to his lack of authenticity.
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Was that Jeb's point?

 
Chadstroma said:
jamny said:
Chadstroma said:
jamny said:
pity bump.

Tomorrow's debate might be his last chance to save the sinking ship. Hopefully they got his newest OS right.
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I haven't watched the debates so I don't know first hand but from what I have heard what caused him problems in the debate is pretty easy to fix.
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What he did in the last debate only highlighted what many of his supporters had concerns about. It's not just about his immediate repeat of something, yeah that could be fixed. It's about his scripted performances from the very first debate. That's not an easy fix. I always liked him in interviews, when he's relaxed, but a switch turns on (snicker) when he's in the debate format. He's nervous and that's what he knows to do. I think Christie did him a favor. He might not be able to recover this election but he'll be back. He can win my vote back but I just don't think he's ready.
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We all know the ability to debate well is important for a politician but honest and real question here: Does that really translate to being a good President? Now, let me make it clear, I am not asking in terms of trying to make an argument for Rubio. A big reason why he is getting my vote now is that I think he can win the general. If that is really not the case then I have no problem switching my vote. However, if we really think about it (and of course a good percentage of the general voting public does not really think about pretty much anything) what skills does being a good debater really show to us that actually is needed or good to have in the White House? I don't think much.
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I agree with you that it shouldn't matter but it does. If he managed to win the nomination I don't think he'd do well in a debate against whoever the Dems pick. I probably agree more with Cruz than Rubio on the issues but I couldn't vote for Cruz because he's so damn unlikeable. I thought Rubio offered the best chance to defeat the Democrats but without being able to stand toe to toe in a debate, my faith in that has gone away.

 
jamny said:
Chadstroma said:
jamny said:
Chadstroma said:
jamny said:
pity bump.

Tomorrow's debate might be his last chance to save the sinking ship. Hopefully they got his newest OS right.
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I haven't watched the debates so I don't know first hand but from what I have heard what caused him problems in the debate is pretty easy to fix.
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What he did in the last debate only highlighted what many of his supporters had concerns about. It's not just about his immediate repeat of something, yeah that could be fixed. It's about his scripted performances from the very first debate. That's not an easy fix. I always liked him in interviews, when he's relaxed, but a switch turns on (snicker) when he's in the debate format. He's nervous and that's what he knows to do. I think Christie did him a favor. He might not be able to recover this election but he'll be back. He can win my vote back but I just don't think he's ready.
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We all know the ability to debate well is important for a politician but honest and real question here: Does that really translate to being a good President? Now, let me make it clear, I am not asking in terms of trying to make an argument for Rubio. A big reason why he is getting my vote now is that I think he can win the general. If that is really not the case then I have no problem switching my vote. However, if we really think about it (and of course a good percentage of the general voting public does not really think about pretty much anything) what skills does being a good debater really show to us that actually is needed or good to have in the White House? I don't think much.
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I agree with you that it shouldn't matter but it does. If he managed to win the nomination I don't think he'd do well in a debate against whoever the Dems pick. I probably agree more with Cruz than Rubio on the issues but I couldn't vote for Cruz because he's so damn unlikeable. I thought Rubio offered the best chance to defeat the Democrats but without being able to stand toe to toe in a debate, my faith in that has gone away.
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I think the ability to concisely make strong points about a topic with someone that disagrees with you and not get flustered by your opponent is a pretty important skill set for a president to have even regardless of the election process. That's a major part of a president's job.

Does it necessarily translate into being a good president? No. Not any more than having a strong arm translates into being a good quarterback. But with both, it's a skill set you'd prefer them to have.

 
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Mister CIA said:
I detest Hillary Clinton, but if it comes down to Clinton vs Rubio, I'll slap a Hillary bumper sticker on my car.
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When I did the I side with poll Marco was my highest %. Sadly I agree with you. Probably won't vote..ETA voting TRUMP! HEWILL BE GREAT! HE WILL!

 
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"Marco, what movie should we watch tonight?"

"Movies are an important part of American culture. I believe that the film industry has a great responsibility to promote American cultural values and not to distort our beliefs or our history."

"That's great, but I just wanted to know what movie you wanted to go see?"

"I have seen a number of great movies in my life, and many of them informed my views and helped shape me into the leader I am today."

"OK, cool Marco, but do you want to see an action flick? A comedy? A drama? What?"

"Well, um, the thing is I have seen a number of great movies in my life, and many of them informed my views and helped shape me into the leader I am today."

 
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"Marco, what movie should we watch tonight?"

"Movies are an important part of American culture. I believe that the film industry has a great responsibility to promote American cultural values and not to distort our beliefs or our history."

"That's great, but I just wanted to know what movie you wanted to go see?"

"I have seen a number of great movies in my life, and many of them informed my views and helped shape me into the leader I am today."

"OK, cool Marco, but do you want to see an action flick? A comedy? A drama? What?"

"Well, um, the thing is I have seen a number of great movies in my life, and many of them informed my views and helped shape me into the leader I am today."
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Did I mention that my dad was a bartender and my mom a maid....

 
This guy has no balls. Talks tough last night blaming 9/11 on clinton,

When directly pressed by Todd on meet the press,

"The World Trade Center came down because bill clinton didn't kill obl when he had a chance to kill him

When directly pressed by Todd on meet the press

"If you're gonna ascribe blame, don't blame george w. Bush blame the decision not to take out bin laden years earlier"

"I'm not quite clear, Are you putting 9/11 on bill clinton"

"No, I'm putting it on his decision to take out bin laden, absolutely"

This guy should stick to robot talk. Otherwise it's hillary speak

 
I think it's a 2 man race from here on. Obviously, Cruz deserves to stay in but Kasich and Carson should step aside.

I've come to a greater understanding of Trump's appeal over the weekend. Many people, myself included, have been waiting for specifics from Trump but that's not what it's about. His supporters just want to put him in office and see what he can do. Empty promises don't matter. It's an actual faith in the man that he can get the job done and will shake things up while doing it. Will he continue this throughout the primaries and can he beat whoever wins from the Dems with it? Who knows. I think it is what limits his ceiling.

Rubio's best option is to flood the airwaves with specifics and be the "man with a plan" It will be the key thing that separates them and might force Trump to start with specifics if the voting tightens. No doubt Trump will start focusing his attention on Rubio very soon. They have gotten along pretty well up until this point so it should be interesting.

I'm undecided but still leaning Rubio. I like ideas that I can evaluate but at the same time don't want empty promises. I'm not quite ready to say "f it" yet and throw my support to The Donald. I don't know who I would vote for if I had to today.

 
Rubio is starting to develop a knack for getting the right endorsement at the right time. Nikki Haley right before South Carolina and now Mitt Romney right before Nevada.

 
Cruz will eventually drop out and it will come down to a two man race between Trump and Rubio. Gut says Rubio picks up most of Cruz's support and wins the nomination.

 
jamny said:
I think it's a 2 man race from here on. Obviously, Cruz deserves to stay in but Kasich and Carson should step aside.

I've come to a greater understanding of Trump's appeal over the weekend. Many people, myself included, have been waiting for specifics from Trump but that's not what it's about. His supporters just want to put him in office and see what he can do. Empty promises don't matter. It's an actual faith in the man that he can get the job done and will shake things up while doing it. Will he continue this throughout the primaries and can he beat whoever wins from the Dems with it? Who knows. I think it is what limits his ceiling.

Rubio's best option is to flood the airwaves with specifics and be the "man with a plan" It will be the key thing that separates them and might force Trump to start with specifics if the voting tightens. No doubt Trump will start focusing his attention on Rubio very soon. They have gotten along pretty well up until this point so it should be interesting.

I'm undecided but still leaning Rubio. I like ideas that I can evaluate but at the same time don't want empty promises. I'm not quite ready to say "f it" yet and throw my support to The Donald. I don't know who I would vote for if I had to today.
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Carson has no plans to quit and Kasich got Bush # of votes basically punting SC after a 2nd in NH. I don't see him leaving before the Super Tues and Carson is selling books and will continue to poll at 5%-10% depending on the state. 

Anyone pushing Rubio as the winner needs to do a delegate count. The real crippler is the winner take all states on March 15th, almost 300 delegates right into the pockets of someone, looks like Trump who is ahead by over 20 points in Florida...yep good ole Florida. Ohio and MO too. IL is the one I'm not real sure of but even slipping that to Rubio, he is way behind. 

Delegates folks, that's what it takes to win. Not emotions, polls, speeches, plain and simple you need the delegates for the nomination. Trump has a good lead right now and until it is a 2 man race he has the edge on a larger field. 

The new straw man for the establishment is getting it to a 2 man race.  What is Cruz's incentive for dropping out?

Edited: Great post, found more to answer with you. You nailed it on Trump support, you absolutely understand what its about. Trump is not playing by the same rigid rules the rest are and that's the appeal. You're right, his supporters don't care what you think or myself or Tim for that matter. I have been trying to scream this for a while but you said in a way I have been unable to truly explain but by gawd you nailed it. 

 
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Ministry of Pain said:
Carson has no plans to quit and Kasich got Bush # of votes basically punting SC after a 2nd in NH. I don't see him leaving before the Super Tues and Carson is selling books and will continue to poll at 5%-10% depending on the state. 

Anyone pushing Rubio as the winner needs to do a delegate count. The real crippler is the winner take all states on March 15th, almost 300 delegates right into the pockets of someone, looks like Trump who is ahead by over 20 points in Florida...yep good ole Florida. Ohio and MO too. IL is the one I'm not real sure of but even slipping that to Rubio, he is way behind. 

Delegates folks, that's what it takes to win. Not emotions, polls, speeches, plain and simple you need the delegates for the nomination. Trump has a good lead right now and until it is a 2 man race he has the edge on a larger field. 

The new straw man for the establishment is getting it to a 2 man race.  What is Cruz's incentive for dropping out?
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I don't see anyone thinking it should be a 2 man race. Like I said, Cruz deserves to be in it. Obviously it's all about the delegates but you take it one day at a time and let the chips fall where they may. Too early to predict that far out, imo. Same with polls predicting the general election. Meaningless right now. So much can still happen.

 
jamny said:
I don't see anyone thinking it should be a 2 man race. Like I said, Cruz deserves to be in it. Obviously it's all about the delegates but you take it one day at a time and let the chips fall where they may. Too early to predict that far out, imo. Same with polls predicting the general election. Meaningless right now. So much can still happen.
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I added some to my other post but again you nailed the Trump supporters and what's happening better than I have herd it explained. It really is put your faith in him, that might eventually connect with the evangelicals. 

 
Ministry of Pain said:
I added some to my other post but again you nailed the Trump supporters and what's happening better than I have herd it explained. It really is put your faith in him, that might eventually connect with the evangelicals. 
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It's the reason why nothing he says matters. He really doesn't have to bring out specifics. It does limit his ceiling though but I don't know if it's enough to give Rubio a shot. It's also why I think he can get some Sanders votes if Hillary wins. Some of Sanders' supporters will say "f it" if he loses to Hillary. There is a similar appeal.

 
jamny said:
I don't see anyone thinking it should be a 2 man race. Like I said, Cruz deserves to be in it. Obviously it's all about the delegates but you take it one day at a time and let the chips fall where they may. Too early to predict that far out, imo. Same with polls predicting the general election. Meaningless right now. So much can still happen.
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It is essentially a 3 man race now with Kasich having an outside chance of jumping back in. Kasich remaining in the race hurts Rubio because once he leaves those votes/donations go to Rubio. Carson still in the race hurts Cruz more than anyone I would think.

 
jamny said:
I've come to a greater understanding of Trump's appeal over the weekend. Many people, myself included, have been waiting for specifics from Trump but that's not what it's about. His supporters just want to put him in office and see what he can do. Empty promises don't matter. It's an actual faith in the man that he can get the job done and will shake things up while doing it. Will he continue this throughout the primaries and can he beat whoever wins from the Dems with it? Who knows. I think it is what limits his ceiling.
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I will continue to bump this post, it's better than anyone has written in the Trump or GOP thread. Should just be chiseled into the talking points. When you anti-Trumps start talking I want to point to this bolded area. 

 
Chadstroma said:
It is essentially a 3 man race now with Kasich having an outside chance of jumping back in. Kasich remaining in the race hurts Rubio because once he leaves those votes/donations go to Rubio. Carson still in the race hurts Cruz more than anyone I would think.
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Just gotta get those women out of the kitchen to vote!

 
cstu said:
Cruz will eventually drop out and it will come down to a two man race between Trump and Rubio. Gut says Rubio picks up most of Cruz's support and wins the nomination.
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Trump wins FL, where's he's up big, and then what?  He can't carry his home turf?

 
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Cruz will eventually drop out and it will come down to a two man race between Trump and Rubio. Gut says Rubio picks up most of Cruz's support and wins the nomination.
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Trump has a 20 point lead right now in Florida, a winner take all 100 delegates, sorry 99. 

Trump will win about 12 of the 30 tonight, have between 70-75 going into Super Tuesday in 1 week, he leads in almost every state, what do you think his dellegate count will look like after Mar 1st? I posted Trump north of 250 and folks think I was being far too conservative, someone else posted 375 but that's where I had Trump right before the real Super Tuesday where its winner take all in FL, OH, and MO/IL. Almost 300 and if Trump sweeps that or even wins 3 out of 4, he is going to be sitting on well over 600 delegates after March 15th. 

There are only 1200 left, half of them winner take all and Trump leads in most of those polls right now as well. Something major has to happen to stop Trump from becoming the GOP nominee. We are well past the Ross Perot feeling out part. If Trump did not get the nomination then he will run as an independent and he will win anyways IMHO. He appeals to Left/Right and in between, he's not lying when he says that but if you are in the far side of left and right then you probably won't vote for him, he's fine with that. 

Out of respect for the Rubio supporters I won't name call or make a lot of disparaging remarks but simply say I am a Floridian and I will not be voting for Marco Rubio, that simple. 

 
You're also the Floridian that said you hoped Rubio gets voted out of a Senate spot for which he's not running for reelection, so "grain of salt" and all that.

 
Why Aren't People Declaring The GOP Race Over — And Trump The Winner?


In any ordinary year, Donald Trump's big win in South Carolina on Saturday night would all but anoint him the Republican presidential nominee. That's especially true after his big win in New Hampshire, where he won with support across various age and income groups in the party.

Trump should be a shoo-in. But this is no ordinary year, and Trump is no ordinary candidate. So why aren't more people talking about the race being over?

Here are four thoughts on that and the Trump juggernaut more broadly:

1. Donald Trump is the clear front-runner but not the inevitable nominee — yet.

In a normal election year we'd say someone who won the New Hampshire primaries by a yuuuuge margin and the South Carolina primary by 10 points is the clear front-runner. No Republican candidate has won both those primaries and not gone on to become the nominee. That being said, this is not a typical election year, and there are many Republicans who think either — a.) it's just not possible for Trump to be the nominee, or b.) it would be a calamity for the party's brand and down-ballot prospects if he became the nominee.

2. The GOP establishment doesn't seem to have a game plan to take on Trump.

The GOP establishment has taken Trump on in fits and starts. Jeb Bush fell on his sword trying to undermine Trump. Trump and Ted Cruz have been battling for similar slices of the vote in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina with Cruz making ideological attacks — accusing Trump of not being a "real conservative." That hasn't worked. Now a variety of superPACs are trying, with one pro-Rubio superPAC airing a new attack ad that takes aim at Trump's temperament, calling him erratic. Polls show Trump's biggest weakness is his temperament, but so far nothing the other candidates have said or done has dented his lead.



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3. Now that Bush is out, which candidate will fight Trump?

One of the biggest mysteries of the race is why Marco Rubio hasn't taken on Trump. So far, Rubio has avoided the kind of frontal attack on Trump that backfired on Bush. Rubio has been busy fighting with Cruz and has yet to repeat Bush's criticism that Trump is intolerant and divisive. The longer this race goes on with more than two candidates in it, the better it is for Trump. Some polls show that either Cruz or Rubio could beat Trump if it were a two-man race, but neither Rubio nor Cruz has an incentive to drop out anytime soon. And those head-to-heads can and will change as more people quit.

4. Trump's argument

Trump argues that as those candidates drop out, he'll inherit some of their support as well. And he suggests that the GOP establishment should quit carping about him. After all, he is bringing new voters into the party, particularly non-college-educated white men. Republicans have had record-breaking turnouts in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, and Trump can certainly take some credit for that.

Despite Trump's terrible approval ratings with minorities, Trump's appeal to blue-collar voters could theoretically put states in play such as Pennsylvania and Michigan, and maybe improve the GOP's chances in Ohio.

But he hasn't convinced the Republican establishment of that yet.
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You're also the Floridian that said you hoped Rubio gets voted out of a Senate spot for which he's not running for reelection, so "grain of salt" and all that.
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More Floridians are supporting Trump than Rubio....the numbers speak for themselves....no sense in denying that ....

 
RnR said:
You're also the Floridian that said you hoped Rubio gets voted out of a Senate spot for which he's not running for reelection, so "grain of salt" and all that.
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???

Guy never shows up to vote. He isn't that well liked down here, he's behind Trump by 20+ right now in his home state, I didn't make that up. That's not MOP opinion it's fact. 

 
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