Marinelli not happy with Lions play calling! (1 Viewer)

[Da Guru]

Was listening to WDFN last night after the game and it was reported that Marinell was very unhappy the last two weeks with the Lions play calling, Rod feels the Lions "have" to run the ball more to open up the passing game. Rod said "For some reason we have abandoned the run, we will look at the play calling this week." Something to that effect. The last two games the Lions have had under 20 runs in total for both games.

Plus Kitna got killed again yesterday, and is turning the ball over too much.

 

[W1cked]

How dare he question the offensive genius of Martz.

Only if and when Kitna is carted off the field, will they run more.

 

[Da Guru]

How dare he question the offensive genius of Martz. Only if and when Kitna is carted off the field, will they run more.

Kitna has to be one tough SOB. I can`t remember a QB taking to punishment that Kitna has taken this year. Maybe Bulger when Martz was with the Rams.Killer Kowalski said he has never seen a team go with 4WRs and then send Jones on a pattern, leaving nobody in to block or chip the DE. Even on his completions he is getting hit almost every play.

 

[Mr Capicollo]

How dare he question the offensive genius of Martz. Only if and when Kitna is carted off the field, will they run more.

Kitna has to be one tough SOB. I can`t remember a QB taking to punishment that Kitna has taken this year. Maybe Bulger when Martz was with the Rams.Killer Kowalski said he has never seen a team go with 4WRs and then send Jones on a pattern, leaving nobody in to block or chip the DE. Even on his completions he is getting hit almost every play.

Spurrier did that regularly, but then that says it all now, doesnt it.

 

[W1cked]

As far as I am concerned they can leave McDonald on the bench more. I'm tired of seeing him catch a pass, stop his momentum on the field. Dance around and get stipped. Seems it happens weekly.

 

[J R]

Jones hasn't been effective in the last 2 games. A low number of carries true, but isn't it something like 15-21? Is it possible that - in order of Marinelli to get his way - Detroit might have to go to some kind of RBBC?

That said, if not for a couple of bad drops, that game might have turned out differently.

 

[Da Guru]

Jones hasn't been effective in the last 2 games. A low number of carries true, but isn't it something like 15-21? Is it possible that - in order of Marinelli to get his way - Detroit might have to go to some kind of RBBC?That said, if not for a couple of bad drops, that game might have turned out differently.

Jones had 4 carries against Arizona. I have seen many games where LT has 10 carries for 8 yards, then ends up with 125 yards on 25 carries. Not comparing Jones to LT, only a RB wil never get going on 4 carries. Jones said that himself after the Arizona game.

 

[J R]

Jones hasn't been effective in the last 2 games. A low number of carries true, but isn't it something like 15-21? Is it possible that - in order of Marinelli to get his way - Detroit might have to go to some kind of RBBC?That said, if not for a couple of bad drops, that game might have turned out differently.

Jones had 4 carries against Arizona. I have seen many games where LT has 10 carries for 8 yards, then ends up with 125 yards on 25 carries. Not comparing Jones to LT, only a RB wil never get going on 4 carries. Jones said that himself after the Arizona game.

What's Jones supposed to say? Keeping up the run game, at least just to show it, has its benefits, but let's not pretend all you have to do to get the run game going is get the RB to 20 carries. Anyway, I asked an honest question, just looking for some feedback that goes beyond counting carries, which is too much to ask from the self-proclaimed shark pool most of the time.

 

[FavreCo]

You can forget the run this Thursday because FavreCo is going to put it in the air and pummel Martzinelli.

 

[EdwardCat]

You can forget the run this Thursday because FavreCo is going to put it in the air and pummel Martzinelli.

I concur. The only way Jones is effective this week is if a few of their 50 passes don't end up finding the endzone and they get stopped on the 3. Then they MIGHT run Jones in the red zone. I can see Jones being outstanding next year when he is fully healthy. This year seems to be turning into a disaster. Running the ball more might solve the problem. 15 carries in two games isn't enough to warrant saying Jones is ineffective.

 

[J R]

You can forget the run this Thursday because FavreCo is going to put it in the air and pummel Martzinelli.

I concur. The only way Jones is effective this week is if a few of their 50 passes don't end up finding the endzone and they get stopped on the 3. Then they MIGHT run Jones in the red zone. I can see Jones being outstanding next year when he is fully healthy. This year seems to be turning into a disaster. Running the ball more might solve the problem. 15 carries in two games isn't enough to warrant saying Jones is ineffective.

Of course it is. That's just a statement of fact. You might say that he could have been effective had he had more carries. But then that's the interesting question to be answered here. Does Jones just need more carries? Or do the added carries Marinelli wants have to come from somewhere else?

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Jones hasn't been effective in the last 2 games. A low number of carries true, but isn't it something like 15-21? Is it possible that - in order of Marinelli to get his way - Detroit might have to go to some kind of RBBC?That said, if not for a couple of bad drops, that game might have turned out differently.

Jones had 4 carries against Arizona. I have seen many games where LT has 10 carries for 8 yards, then ends up with 125 yards on 25 carries. Not comparing Jones to LT, only a RB wil never get going on 4 carries. Jones said that himself after the Arizona game.

After starting with 4 carries....and then only seeing 7 the last 58 minutes....is all you need to know. They can't keep doing that. It is no coincidence that they won when they ran the ball more. RBs need to get the ball.

 

[PantherPower]

actually Calvin needs to get the ball more

 

[Da Guru]

I think the Marinelli-Martz marriage is on the rocks.

 

[EdwardCat]

You can forget the run this Thursday because FavreCo is going to put it in the air and pummel Martzinelli.

I concur. The only way Jones is effective this week is if a few of their 50 passes don't end up finding the endzone and they get stopped on the 3. Then they MIGHT run Jones in the red zone. I can see Jones being outstanding next year when he is fully healthy. This year seems to be turning into a disaster. Running the ball more might solve the problem. 15 carries in two games isn't enough to warrant saying Jones is ineffective.

Of course it is. That's just a statement of fact. You might say that he could have been effective had he had more carries. But then that's the interesting question to be answered here. Does Jones just need more carries? Or do the added carries Marinelli wants have to come from somewhere else?

Let me rephrase. 15 carries in two games isn't enough to warrant saying Jones can't be effective. He could very well be effective if they made a serious attempt to get the run game going. Instead. they run once, get little to nothing and then pass 5 times in a row. Jones had a run of 7 and a run of 5 in the second half. Even after that they abandoned the run. They also didn't try to get him involved in the passing game.

 

[whoknew]

actually Calvin needs to get the ball more

 

[Da Guru]

actually Calvin needs to get the ball more

I am not sure but I think McDonald the #4 WR is the most targeted Lion WR.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Jones hasn't been effective in the last 2 games. A low number of carries true, but isn't it something like 15-21? Is it possible that - in order of Marinelli to get his way - Detroit might have to go to some kind of RBBC?

That said, if not for a couple of bad drops, that game might have turned out differently.

Jones had 4 carries against Arizona. I have seen many games where LT has 10 carries for 8 yards, then ends up with 125 yards on 25 carries. Not comparing Jones to LT, only a RB wil never get going on 4 carries. Jones said that himself after the Arizona game.

After starting with 4 carries....and then only seeing 7 the last 58 minutes....is all you need to know. They can't keep doing that. It is no coincidence that they won when they ran the ball more. RBs need to get the ball.

Of course it's no coincidence. When you have the lead, you're gonna run the ball. Don't get the cause and effect backwards.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Is there some concern from management that KJ's foot can't handle a steady dose of 20-30 touches per game? Wasn't there already speculation last week that his foot was becoming so sore that they weren't sure he'd play on Thanksgiving because of the short week?

We've seen what Bell and Duckett can do...if the option is throw 40-50 times or hand off to them I think it's an easy call...maybe the issue is giving Kitna more protection. The 3/4 wide O is working for Seattle as their running game has gone south. NE has taken their game to another level with that type of spread O...so it can work just need to protect the QB.

 

[Spartans Rule]

How dare he question the offensive genius of Martz. Only if and when Kitna is carted off the field, will they run more.

Kitna has to be one tough SOB. I can`t remember a QB taking to punishment that Kitna has taken this year. Maybe Bulger when Martz was with the Rams.Killer Kowalski said he has never seen a team go with 4WRs and then send Jones on a pattern, leaving nobody in to block or chip the DE. Even on his completions he is getting hit almost every play.

This is one thing that definitely needs to change. They can't continue to send 5 guys out with no blitz pickup help. A personal protector would allow more shots down the field to Calvin and Roy.

 

[m_sell31]

Last time I check the head coach had the final decision on playcalling/game planning. Since Martz is really the head cheese, don't expect more runnign plays anytime soon.

 

[EdwardCat]

Last time I check the head coach had the final decision on playcalling/game planning. Since Martz is really the head cheese, don't expect more runnign plays anytime soon.

Martz is the head coach now?

 

[Wilbur Wood]

actually Calvin needs to get the ball more

I am not sure but I think McDonald the #4 WR is the most targeted Lion WR.

Martz needs to go. He is an idiot. No TE to help with Strahan.He keeps #81 on the sidelines for 1/2 the plays.The Lions just score on a "jump ball" bomb to Calvin Johnson in which he outleaps/outreaches smaller defensive backs. Then with ~ 2 minutes to go they try a similar bomb to the end zone play call and is to #81 or #11, no they throw it to the smurf, #84 for a pick. Run that same play to either Calvin or Roy and there is a different result, at a minimum an incomplete pass and perhaps a TD.

 

[Da Guru]

Looks like Rod is getting his way. 9 rushes already, halfway through the first.

 

[J R]

actually Calvin needs to get the ball more

I am not sure but I think McDonald the #4 WR is the most targeted Lion WR.

Martz needs to go. He is an idiot. No TE to help with Strahan.He keeps #81 on the sidelines for 1/2 the plays.The Lions just score on a "jump ball" bomb to Calvin Johnson in which he outleaps/outreaches smaller defensive backs. Then with ~ 2 minutes to go they try a similar bomb to the end zone play call and is to #81 or #11, no they throw it to the smurf, #84 for a pick. Run that same play to either Calvin or Roy and there is a different result, at a minimum an incomplete pass and perhaps a TD.

#81 has been injured - maybe you have selectively skipped over those stories. During that game, Roy Williams missed a long pass that would have been a TD. Just looking up the Lions WRs by DVOA, and discounting CJ because we know from the stories that his back injury has cut down his PT, I see Roy Williams below both Furrey and McDonald, and considerably so. Williams also has a lower catch % than both Furrey and McDonald.

 

[Da Guru]

Last time I posted about Marinelli not happy KJ had a good day. This time KJ had a good day as well..hope some people plugged KJ in their lineups.

 

[King of the Wolfies]

i reluctantly started KJ today and am thrilled I did.

 

[Da Guru]

i reluctantly started KJ today and am thrilled I did.

KJ could have had 2 TDs, got stuffed on one and they threw it ti CJ

 

[W1cked]

When was the last time the Lions threw a slant pass? Week #3 when Roy Williams score on that 70 yard TD?

 

[Da Guru]

When was the last time the Lions threw a slant pass? Week #3 when Roy Williams score on that 70 yard TD?

I agree 100%! Plus the Lions can`t pass protect long enough to run those deep routes.