Marion Barber III - Starter! (1 Viewer)

[Sweeper]

Just curious why Jones remains the "starter" when Barber usually ends up with more carries, more yards, more touchdowns and more support from the fans (and apparently the team).

Does MBIII miss out on a bonus if he fails to start x amount of games? Is Wade's head just up his own asre?

Barber outperforms Jones every week. He gets the carries that matter the most and even has the support of the coaching staff, as MBII is in there on those "must convert" plays moreso than Jones.

Any insight as to the possible reason(s) for this? Could Dallas be trying to stiff MB out of a bonus if he starts so many games?

My opinion: Barber III has earned the title "Starter". I just can't imagine why he hasn't actually started any games.

Side note: this has nothing to do with fantasy football. I am not suggesting that MBIII carry the full load or they mix up the split differently.

 

[Jayrod]

Just curious why Jones remains the "starter" when Barber usually ends up with more carries, more yards, more touchdowns and more support from the fans (and apparently the team). Does MBIII miss out on a bonus if he fails to start x amount of games? Is Wade's head just up his own asre?Barber outperforms Jones every week. He gets the carries that matter the most and even has the support of the coaching staff, as MBII is in there on those "must convert" plays moreso than Jones. Any insight as to the possible reason(s) for this? Could Dallas be trying to stiff MB out of a bonus if he starts so many games? My opinion: Barber III has earned the title "Starter". I just can't imagine why he hasn't actually started any games. Side note: this has nothing to do with fantasy football. I am not suggesting that MBIII carry the full load or they mix up the split differently.

 

[Sweeper]

 

[Rounders]

Another week = another thread of why Barber should be the primary ball carrier over Jones.

You will find that you are in agreement with 99.9% of this board. Barber is the better RB. However the Cowgirls are winning games and if it's not broke, don't fix it.

 

[Sweeper]

Another week = another thread of why Barber should be the primary ball carrier over Jones.

You will find that you are in agreement with 99.9% of this board. Barber is the better RB. However the Cowgirls are winning games and if it's not broke, don't fix it.

That's not what I am suggesting here. The last line in my post clearly states that I am not suggesting a change in who gets the ball, I am just wondering why he is not named the starter. I think the RBBC is working well for these guys individually and it is working well for the 'boys as a team. I am just curious what Barber has to do to officiallybe named the starter and if he loses out on something by NOT starting.

I thoought someone (especially a homer) might have some insight.

 

[Wingnut]

I am just curious what Barber has to do to officially be named the starter

Have Julius kidnapped?

 

[bigfeet_88]

Try this one:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=358136

Was just looking at it the other day.

 

[fatboyj711]

Another week = another thread of why Barber should be the primary ball carrier over Jones.

You will find that you are in agreement with 99.9% of this board. Barber is the better RB. However the Cowgirls are winning games and if it's not broke, don't fix it.

That's not what I am suggesting here. The last line in my post clearly states that I am not suggesting a change in who gets the ball, I am just wondering why he is not named the starter. I think the RBBC is working well for these guys individually and it is working well for the 'boys as a team. I am just curious what Barber has to do to officiallybe named the starter and if he loses out on something by NOT starting.

I thoought someone (especially a homer) might have some insight.

jones starts games, barber ends them... if barber started, he wouldn't be as effective at the end of the game when things count the most... would calling barber dallas' "closer" make you happy?

 

[Bodysnatcher]

Yet, in half of the games, Jones has more yards.

Barber normally gets more TD's because he has more TD opportunities. As we saw yesterday, JJ can also punch it in from the goal line. You guys have to understand that this is a one - two punch. They like using Julius' speed to wear down the defense, and then let Barber run wild in the 2nd half, when the defense is worn down, and Barber's physical running can be used at its best.

I would say that Marion Barber wouldn't be as good as he is, if he was carrying the load by himself. He simply wouldn't be able to run that physical all the time, every run, every game, all year.

I don't think that they need to change a thing.

 

[packersfan]

Yet, in half of the games, Jones has more yards.

I thought Jones had a good game last night and was doing well before he got a blatant cheap shot to the head.

 

[Sweeper]

Rather than repeating myself, I'll just sit back and wait. Sooner or later someone will actually read this post and reply instead of answering questions from a thread someone posted last week.

The names are the same but the question is not.

 

[packersfan]

The names are the same but the question is not.

The question has been answered in virtually every Barber-Jones thread we've had in this forum the past two seasons. Two different coaching staffs have come to the same conclusion - that the team is better suited starting Jones and rotating the two. The team has had success with this approach and there's no reason to change it. If two different coaching staffs thought Barber should be the starter he would be. But two coaching staffs have agreed that this approach is the right one to take. People can keep asking this question all they want but until one of them is gone (likely after this season when Jones becomes a free agent) then this approach is what we should expect to see barring injury.

 

[Bodysnatcher]

Rather than repeating myself, I'll just sit back and wait. Sooner or later someone will actually read this post and reply instead of answering questions from a thread someone posted last week.The names are the same but the question is not.

Why does this come after a week when the stats were...Julius Jones - 13 carries - 57 yards - 1 TDMarion Barber - 16 carries - 56 yards - 1 TD??Jones had 3 less carries, one more yard... and they both had a TD. Where is the huge difference here? I mean, realistically Jones had 3 less opportunities and still had one more yard rushing.

 

[Sweeper]

Rather than repeating myself, I'll just sit back and wait. Sooner or later someone will actually read this post and reply instead of answering questions from a thread someone posted last week.The names are the same but the question is not.

Why does this come after a week when the stats were...Julius Jones - 13 carries - 57 yards - 1 TDMarion Barber - 16 carries - 56 yards - 1 TD

It has nothing to do with the game or stats from last night.

 

[packersfan]

Rather than repeating myself, I'll just sit back and wait. Sooner or later someone will actually read this post and reply instead of answering questions from a thread someone posted last week.The names are the same but the question is not.

Why does this come after a week when the stats were...Julius Jones - 13 carries - 57 yards - 1 TDMarion Barber - 16 carries - 56 yards - 1 TD

It has nothing to do with the game or stats from last night.

But last night was a pretty strong example as to why the Cowboys are doing what they do. Big game on the road against a solid run defense and both RBs look good and are productive (as receivers too). Why would Phillips come back to Dallas today and say: "Hey, we need to start Marion." Last night was yet another example as to why the situation works and has worked so well for the past two seasons.

 

[NatronIsMean]

Post title = misleading and gay. At minimum, very fruitcak-ey.

 

[fatboyj711]

Rather than repeating myself, I'll just sit back and wait. Sooner or later someone will actually read this post and reply instead of answering questions from a thread someone posted last week.The names are the same but the question is not.

Why does this come after a week when the stats were...Julius Jones - 13 carries - 57 yards - 1 TDMarion Barber - 16 carries - 56 yards - 1 TD

It has nothing to do with the game or stats from last night.

barber not being the starter has nothing to do with dallas trying withhold a bonus if that's what you're getting at... it does have everything to do with everything previously written in this thread

 

[shadyridr]

Damn I hate these threads every week. Jones does all the hard nosed work while Barber gets all the TD glory and receptions. Barber is the better fantasy play but they are both good RBs and should both get carries. Whos to say Barber can carry the full load?

 

[daveandken]

Another week = another thread of why Barber should be the primary ball carrier over Jones.You will find that you are in agreement with 99.9% of this board. Barber is the better RB. However the Cowgirls are winning games and if it's not broke, don't fix it.

God, this 'cowgirls' schtick never gets old. Who else is smart enough to fit 'girls' into another team's name?? And you have to be at least as mature as my 2 year old son to go around proclaiming it like its something new.GENIUS!

 

[Rounders]

Another week = another thread of why Barber should be the primary ball carrier over Jones.You will find that you are in agreement with 99.9% of this board. Barber is the better RB. However the Cowgirls are winning games and if it's not broke, don't fix it.

God, this 'cowgirls' schtick never gets old. Who else is smart enough to fit 'girls' into another team's name?? And you have to be at least as mature as my 2 year old son to go around proclaiming it like its something new.GENIUS!

Hey Pal who's proclaiming it as new? It's a funny nickname for "America's team". Lighten up. Let me guess you lost your fantasy game this week, huh?

 

[aggie_dave]

Yet, in half of the games, Jones has more yards.

Barber normally gets more TD's because he has more TD opportunities. As we saw yesterday, JJ can also punch it in from the goal line. You guys have to understand that this is a one - two punch. They like using Julius' speed to wear down the defense, and then let Barber run wild in the 2nd half, when the defense is worn down, and Barber's physical running can be used at its best.

I would say that Marion Barber wouldn't be as good as he is, if he was carrying the load by himself. He simply wouldn't be able to run that physical all the time, every run, every game, all year.

I don't think that they need to change a thing.

The bolded portion is written like someone who watched the play-by-play and not the game. Julius Jones did not "punch it in" by any definition of the phrase. They put Jones in and lined up at the 2 yd line in the shotgun. They presented a line up that screamed pass and then ran a draw up the middle. Jones wasn't touched because the LBs all initially dropped into coverage. Jones is definitely not the runner in Dallas you want in the game when you want to pound the ball. He too often tip toes his ways around the backfield and gets hit at or behind the line.As a Dallas homer and Barber owner, I would love to say that MBIII should get the lions share, but I don't think that is going to happen without an injury to Jones. He's a better overall RB, but it doesn't seem that he is going to get a chance. We can't say that MBIII cannot handle the full load though, because in his rookie season he produced quite well while getting all the carries during the 2 game stint when Jones was injured. The fact of the matter is that Barber is not called the starter because he doesn't take the first offensive snap of the game, not because he is the less productive RB.

 

[packersfan]

Yet, in half of the games, Jones has more yards.

Barber normally gets more TD's because he has more TD opportunities. As we saw yesterday, JJ can also punch it in from the goal line. You guys have to understand that this is a one - two punch. They like using Julius' speed to wear down the defense, and then let Barber run wild in the 2nd half, when the defense is worn down, and Barber's physical running can be used at its best.

I would say that Marion Barber wouldn't be as good as he is, if he was carrying the load by himself. He simply wouldn't be able to run that physical all the time, every run, every game, all year.

I don't think that they need to change a thing.

The bolded portion is written like someone who watched the play-by-play and not the game.

I watched the game and Jones scored easily. It was a great play call. They took Barber out, thus showing a passing formation and called a draw and Jones scored. Great play call and Jones did punch it in with ease.

 

[daveandken]

Another week = another thread of why Barber should be the primary ball carrier over Jones.You will find that you are in agreement with 99.9% of this board. Barber is the better RB. However the Cowgirls are winning games and if it's not broke, don't fix it.

God, this 'cowgirls' schtick never gets old. Who else is smart enough to fit 'girls' into another team's name?? And you have to be at least as mature as my 2 year old son to go around proclaiming it like its something new.GENIUS!

Hey Pal who's proclaiming it as new? It's a funny nickname for "America's team". Lighten up. Let me guess you lost your fantasy game this week, huh?

OK, so at least we agree that its old. The tired schtick really has no place here. And its not funny at all unless you are simply a Cowboys hater. The joke ran out 20 years ago. Some people just can't put aside their bias and have an intelligent conversation.BTW, I'm up 124 to 57 in my main league, but thanks for playin.

 

[Barooo]

To answer your question; I have not been privied to the contractual nuts and bolts; and am unclear if anyone knows the inner workings of MBIII's contract and how there may be a correlation to his starts and his inherent earning potential through the use of bonuses.....

Just had to have fun with this because I have been a Cowboy fan for over 30 years and this debate gets old....

If they are winning...I don't care if TO plays RB. It is all about making it back to the show and winning....I got spoiled in the mid 90s and would like to see those times return.....

 

[aggie_dave]

Just a quick fact for those who think MBIII is poor in the short yardage situations. This year he has had 24 total carries with distances of 2 yards or less, and he is currently converting 67%. I may be wrong, but that sure seems good to me.

 

[Lemmiwinks]

Madden compared MBIII's ability to finish to that of Walter Payton. I love MBIII, and agree that he runs "angry" but that comparison:

 

[SSOG]

However the Cowgirls are winning games and if it's not broke, don't fix it.

Come on, if that were really true, then Kyle Orton would still be the starting QB for the Chicago Bears.

 

[cobalt_27]

Damn I hate these threads every week. Jones does all the hard nosed work while Barber gets all the TD glory and receptions. Barber is the better fantasy play but they are both good RBs and should both get carries. Whos to say Barber can carry the full load?

I mean, if I didn't know any better, I'd have guessed you never once seen these guys play. Hard-nosed work and effort are exactly what Cowboy fans love about Barber. The question about whether Barber can carry the full load or not remains to be seen. But, it's not as though he's given any evidence to this point that he breaks down at the end of games and can't be the feature back.

 

[cobalt_27]

Another week = another thread of why Barber should be the primary ball carrier over Jones.You will find that you are in agreement with 99.9% of this board. Barber is the better RB. However the Cowgirls are winning games and if it's not broke, don't fix it.

God, this 'cowgirls' schtick never gets old. Who else is smart enough to fit 'girls' into another team's name?? And you have to be at least as mature as my 2 year old son to go around proclaiming it like its something new.GENIUS!

Hey Pal who's proclaiming it as new? It's a funny nickname for "America's team". Lighten up. Let me guess you lost your fantasy game this week, huh?

OK, so at least we agree that its old. The tired schtick really has no place here. And its not funny at all unless you are simply a Cowboys hater. The joke ran out 20 years ago. Some people just can't put aside their bias and have an intelligent conversation.BTW, I'm up 124 to 57 in my main league, but thanks for playin.

Seems like you were the one who brought it up. Maybe you need to put aside your sensitivity about it and simply address the point he was making, rather than get your undies all bunched up over nothing.I'm a Cowboys fan, and I couldn't care less as to what they're called.

 

[maxwell1295]

Another week = another thread of why Barber should be the primary ball carrier over Jones.You will find that you are in agreement with 99.9% of this board. Barber is the better RB. However the Cowgirls are winning games and if it's not broke, don't fix it.

God, this 'cowgirls' schtick never gets old. Who else is smart enough to fit 'girls' into another team's name?? And you have to be at least as mature as my 2 year old son to go around proclaiming it like its something new.GENIUS!

Hey Pal who's proclaiming it as new? It's a funny nickname for "America's team". Lighten up. Let me guess you lost your fantasy game this week, huh?

OK, so at least we agree that its old. The tired schtick really has no place here. And its not funny at all unless you are simply a Cowboys hater. The joke ran out 20 years ago. Some people just can't put aside their bias and have an intelligent conversation.BTW, I'm up 124 to 57 in my main league, but thanks for playin.

Seems like you were the one who brought it up. Maybe you need to put aside your sensitivity about it and simply address the point he was making, rather than get your undies all bunched up over nothing.I'm a Cowboys fan, and I couldn't care less as to what they're called.

 

[coolnerd]

Just curious why Jones remains the "starter" when Barber usually ends up with more carries, more yards, more touchdowns and more support from the fans (and apparently the team). Does MBIII miss out on a bonus if he fails to start x amount of games? Is Wade's head just up his own asre?Barber outperforms Jones every week. He gets the carries that matter the most and even has the support of the coaching staff, as MBII is in there on those "must convert" plays moreso than Jones. Any insight as to the possible reason(s) for this? Could Dallas be trying to stiff MB out of a bonus if he starts so many games? My opinion: Barber III has earned the title "Starter". I just can't imagine why he hasn't actually started any games. Side note: this has nothing to do with fantasy football. I am not suggesting that MBIII carry the full load or they mix up the split differently.

To answer your question, of all things somebody can call Jerry Jones, cheap is not one of them. In fact, he has more of a history of overpaying than playing a silly game like you are suggesting.

 

[SR388]

Yet, in half of the games, Jones has more yards.

Barber normally gets more TD's because he has more TD opportunities. As we saw yesterday, JJ can also punch it in from the goal line. You guys have to understand that this is a one - two punch. They like using Julius' speed to wear down the defense, and then let Barber run wild in the 2nd half, when the defense is worn down, and Barber's physical running can be used at its best.

I would say that Marion Barber wouldn't be as good as he is, if he was carrying the load by himself. He simply wouldn't be able to run that physical all the time, every run, every game, all year.

I don't think that they need to change a thing.

The bolded portion is written like someone who watched the play-by-play and not the game. Julius Jones did not "punch it in" by any definition of the phrase. They put Jones in and lined up at the 2 yd line in the shotgun. They presented a line up that screamed pass and then ran a draw up the middle. Jones wasn't touched because the LBs all initially dropped into coverage. Jones is definitely not the runner in Dallas you want in the game when you want to pound the ball. He too often tip toes his ways around the backfield and gets hit at or behind the line.As a Dallas homer and Barber owner, I would love to say that MBIII should get the lions share, but I don't think that is going to happen without an injury to Jones. He's a better overall RB, but it doesn't seem that he is going to get a chance. We can't say that MBIII cannot handle the full load though, because in his rookie season he produced quite well while getting all the carries during the 2 game stint when Jones was injured. The fact of the matter is that Barber is not called the starter because he doesn't take the first offensive snap of the game, not because he is the less productive RB.

I slightly disagree with you on that one. Now firstly, I prefer Barber, but Jones does get hit in the backfield a lot. A LOT. When his line isn't letting him down, they are holding. He must have well over 100 yards of yardage called back on penalties this year. I think Julius does go down too easy, but sometimes it isn't his fault. I would say he doesn't tip-toe as much as he just falls down.Either way your point is correct, but I think Jones get unfairly criticized sometimes.