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Marion Barber To Start In 2007? (1 Viewer)

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From RotoWorld:

The Cowboys may dangle Julius Jones on the trade market this off-season.

Marion Barber's emergence makes Jones somewhat expendable. Bill Parcells likes having two quality backs, however, and they would probably only let go of Jones for a second-round pick or higher.

Source: ESPN.com

 
As a Jones owner, please do. Barber is better and Jones needs to learn how to run hard. Houston or the Giants would be fine. Jets woulnd't be bad. But this #### better learn how to run hard like Frank Gore.

 
I've considered whether or not they should do that myself. The one thing that makes me think they won't is how cehap Julius' contract is. He is only $510K next year. That's so cheap that having the 2 RBs is painless.

Now, IF someones offers a 1st round pick......that is something different all together. That's an awful lot for a guy that get injured that much.

 
This is just some speculation. Its seems about as trustworthy as me saying that the Saints will dangle Deuce in the off-season.

 
Me thinks he will be banished to Cleveland :hangover:

Radio is saying the Skins could trade Portis despite the cap hit....although I'd be inclined to keep him and Betts...let Duckett go (never should have been here anyway). Guess it depends on who needs a RB and is willing to accept the cap hit....CLE, HOU, OAK ?

 
I also do not see why the Cowboys would trade him when his contract is not that large. I would think if they traded Jones they would then have to spend a high draft pick or spend a large amount of $$$ to add insurance behind Barber. Unless one of these two guys becomes a distraction complaining about playing time, moving one of them does not makes sense IMO.

 
velho said:
I've considered whether or not they should do that myself. The one thing that makes me think they won't is how cehap Julius' contract is. He is only $510K next year. That's so cheap that having the 2 RBs is painless.Now, IF someones offers a 1st round pick......that is something different all together. That's an awful lot for a guy that get injured that much.
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For this reason, I don't see the 'Boys moving JJ.Teams are realizing the importance of havinga solid back up RB. Tyson Thompson doesn't fit the bill.
 
Jets sites reported that the Boys were shopping him last year - no team offered the 2nd rder they wanted though - no way they get a 2nd rder after this last year. If they hold firm he will be a Cowboy next year.

 
Kiddnets said:
Jets sites reported that the Boys were shopping him last year - no team offered the 2nd rder they wanted though - no way they get a 2nd rder after this last year. If they hold firm he will be a Cowboy next year.
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Agreed. While his fantasy value is sinking, his real life NFL value is even less. Jones is a solid RB, but teams don't need to spend that much to get a comparable guy.
 
zamboni said:
Kiddnets said:
Jets sites reported that the Boys were shopping him last year - no team offered the 2nd rder they wanted though - no way they get a 2nd rder after this last year. If they hold firm he will be a Cowboy next year.
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Agreed. While his fantasy value is sinking, his real life NFL value is even less. Jones is a solid RB, but teams don't need to spend that much to get a comparable guy.
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Exactly. A career 4.0 ypc guy that runs on 1st/2nd down. Yawn.
 
At this point, I really can't see JJ getting more than a 2nd day pick.

Barlow, Rhodes, Turner, Chris Brown may all be available in the off season. There are a lot of options for teams who want rb depth.

The Cowboys should just keep him until his rookie contract runs out.

 
Marvelous said:
At this point, I really can't see JJ getting more than a 2nd day pick.Barlow, Rhodes, Turner, Chris Brown may all be available in the off season. There are a lot of options for teams who want rb depth.The Cowboys should just keep him until his rookie contract runs out.
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Turner has way more value than the other guys in that group, and will probably be the one that gets the most attention from other teams this off season. Id be surprised if a team coughed up a 1st and a 3rd for him, but I could see a trade worked out with the Chargers
 
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Marvelous said:
At this point, I really can't see JJ getting more than a 2nd day pick.

Barlow, Rhodes, Turner, Chris Brown may all be available in the off season. There are a lot of options for teams who want rb depth.

The Cowboys should just keep him until his rookie contract runs out.
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The only RB in that group that an NFL team would take as their starting RB is Turner and he is a RFA (which means he will in all likelihood be a Charger at least for the next season.)
 
I see no reason why the Cowboys move him:

1) He's cheap.

2) Has no huge value.

I am much more interested if the Cowboys keep Owens or not.

Both from a fan and fantasy perspective.

 
They will trade him. Why? Because I traded away Barber as part of a package deal earlier this season (landed my Kevin Jones ... great). In our auction league, he would be protectable for $5 next year.

I realize this is a very scientific approach to the question ...

 
What I think many people fail to realize is that JJ and Barber make each other better. Barber can run like a beast because he's only going to get 10-15 carries. JJ is doing the bulk of the work on the primary run downs. He gets the defenses tired. Barber then becomes the hammer.

Do people really think that they know running backs better than Parcells? Do people think that Parcells would be playing a stiff the majority of the time if he has a beast behind him?

Enjoy the Cowboy running game for what it is. Both guys are major contributors. Both play key roles. Both are very good. Give credit to Parcells for figuring out how to put each of them into positions to be successful and maximize their collective skills.

Now, as commented earlier in this thread, there was apparently discussion between the Jets and Cowboys around draft time. The story that I understood is that Dallas wanted to get Maroney and was offering the Jets JJ for their second first round pick. New England took Maroney before the Jets' pick and the trade obviously never materialized.

 
Ridgelake said:
What I think many people fail to realize is that JJ and Barber make each other better. Barber can run like a beast because he's only going to get 10-15 carries. JJ is doing the bulk of the work on the primary run downs. He gets the defenses tired. Barber then becomes the hammer.
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:blackdot: I totally agree with this (watched every game this year) - Barber gets many more carries as the game goes along.
 
This is a transcript of part of Parcells' press conference today. Thanks to Bankerguy for posting the entire transcript in another thread.

Why is MB3 so effective late?

Because the other teams are tired. I think its good to have a closer. Whenever I've had good teams, I've had a closer. I think having a closer is important.

JJ

I hope he can get back on track. He missed some holes the other night that looked good on film. It looked like he made his mind up that he was going a certain place, and missed the open hole. I've talked to him, we got to get him on track. He does have 250 carries, that's quite a few, but I don't know that he has 60 carries in the last month. He should be rested. I hope he can find some reserve and finish out the season strong.

Do you think about switching the RB roles up?

No, like I said I like having that closer. Marion is in a good position for him. That touchdown drive at the end of the game might be the best one we had all year. That's what we used to do with OJ Anderson, it worked well. Curtis could do it too, he could keep going and going like the bunny. Its important to have one of those. That kid in San Diego is unbelievable. The kid in Kansas City can wear you down. Rudi Johnson can do it.

 
Ridgelake said:
Do you think about switching the RB roles up?No, like I said I like having that closer. Marion is in a good position for him. That touchdown drive at the end of the game might be the best one we had all year. That's what we used to do with OJ Anderson, it worked well. Curtis could do it too, he could keep going and going like the bunny. Its important to have one of those. That kid in San Diego is unbelievable. The kid in Kansas City can wear you down. Rudi Johnson can do it.
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In other words "No I'm not going to change his role but his ability to 'close' is comparable to guys like OJ, Cmart, LT, LJ and Rudi"... all of whom happen to be playing primary/feature RB roles. Am I the only one who is missing the logic in his response? Is it good to have a primary RB with that mentality or should it come from a specialty RB? Would he have used some other guy on 1st and 2nd downs if he had Cmart on his team now? :brush:
 
If JJ is traded, where will Barber go in drafts next season? Top 5 is certainly not out of the question. After, LT, LJ, SJax, who else could challenge him for the 4 spot? Portis, Gore, Westbrook, FWP, Shaun? I'm not sure I'd take any of those guys over Barber if he becomes a 20+ carry per game back.

 
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Big Jim® wrote:

In other words "No I'm not going to change his role but his ability to 'close' is comparable to guys like OJ, Cmart, LT, LJ and Rudi"... all of whom happen to be playing primary/feature RB roles. Am I the only one who is missing the logic in his response? Is it good to have a primary RB with that mentality or should it come from a specialty RB? Would he have used some other guy on 1st and 2nd downs if he had Cmart on his team now?

Yes, I think you are missing Parcell's logic.

As of right now, he doesn't think Barber can shoulder a C-Mart, LJ, LT kind of load. And from a football standpoint, what's to argue with? It's been working. So it may take an injury to JJ before he gives Barber a true shot.

 
spin it.... what would happen if turner started the games, and LT finished.. could that be BETTER then LT all the way??

different players need different things,,,,,maybe LT needs to get a grove?? maybe Barber doesn't?

 
thatguy said:
If JJ is traded, where will Barber go in drafts next season? Top 5 is certainly not out of the question. After, LT, LJ, SJax, who else could challenge him for the 4 spot? Portis, Gore, Westbrook, FWP, Shaun? I'm not sure I'd take any of those guys over Barber if he becomes a 20+ carry per game back.
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Can he handle 20+ carries over 16 games? He reminds me more of a T Bell in that regard. < 15 carries is is explosive and productive> 20 .... what do you get? We've never seen it. At least we saw LJ take the full load for at least 1/2 a season before he became top 3 pick.
 
Floyd The Barber said:
Big Jim® wrote:In other words "No I'm not going to change his role but his ability to 'close' is comparable to guys like OJ, Cmart, LT, LJ and Rudi"... all of whom happen to be playing primary/feature RB roles. Am I the only one who is missing the logic in his response? Is it good to have a primary RB with that mentality or should it come from a specialty RB? Would he have used some other guy on 1st and 2nd downs if he had Cmart on his team now? Yes, I think you are missing Parcell's logic. As of right now, he doesn't think Barber can shoulder a C-Mart, LJ, LT kind of load. And from a football standpoint, what's to argue with? It's been working. So it may take an injury to JJ before he gives Barber a true shot.
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Obviously things are working, and I wouldn't blink if Parcells had answered with an "if it ain't broke..." comment. I would not have missed the logic if that was how he'd responded. But you are putting words in his mouth with your take. He didn't say a thing about Barber being unfit to "shoulder" anything. He said being a closer is a good role for Barber, that he wouldn't change it, and then compared him to other guys who fill such a role, two of which were primary RBs for this very coach and all of which are primary backs somewhere.
 
Marvelous said:
At this point, I really can't see JJ getting more than a 2nd day pick.Barlow, Rhodes, Turner, Chris Brown may all be available in the off season. There are a lot of options for teams who want rb depth.The Cowboys should just keep him until his rookie contract runs out.
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And Thomas Jones...?
 
Just Win Baby said:
Marvelous said:
At this point, I really can't see JJ getting more than a 2nd day pick.Barlow, Rhodes, Turner, Chris Brown may all be available in the off season. There are a lot of options for teams who want rb depth.The Cowboys should just keep him until his rookie contract runs out.
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And Thomas Jones...?
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Thomas may have to play for his next contract next year. Not sure they are renegotiating right now.Turner could be a steal next year.
 
The one reason I think both Julius and MB3 will be Cowboys for a while is their respective contracts. Bonuses not included, both Julius and Barber are signed through 2009 with the highest base salary of a little over a half million for each. So, it costs the Cowboys a little over a million a year for both, at the highest point (2009). I saw these stats at nflpa.org.

 
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