Marital Advice - Friendly camping trip too friendly? (3 Viewers)

[Yankee23Fan]

And shrinks get paid more per hour then I do. All you need is a computer and internet hookup and you too can give in depth advice and analysis.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

But we know that they were alone together for 15 minutes, whether in the bathroom stall or otherwise. We know that they were both drunk (and she was really drunk). We know that she had a crush on Steve. We know that Steve has a history of infidelity. And we know that at some point in the night, her boobs were taken out of her bra.

I hate making assumptions, but these points of the story really bother me when you add them up.

If they never went into the stall together this whole theory falls apart. Both her crush on Steve and Steve's infidelities happened years in the past. Yes, they were both drunk, but everybody was drunk. The boobs thing is the biggest mystery, but its not like there couldn't be another explanation.

 

[flufhed]

You guys are torturing MITYH.

Wrong - he is already tortured. Or did you miss the part where he said he can't sleep because of this?

 

[Cavalier]

Also, we are all assuming that Steve wanted to hit yellow's wife. It sounds like he already could of or did before. So would Steve even be interested in banging her?

 

[Woz]

Jesus Christ you guys are scaring the hell out of this poor guy.

I think we're only confirming the fears he already has.

But they may not be right. The one thing he doesn't want to do here is overreact until he gets absolutely no response from his wife and buddy. not every female on this planet is a cheating whore.

 

[Third]

I'm just saying that 95 percent of the people in this thread are convinced that his wife did something...

Just guessing that we're not the only ones. This thread didn't start out with "Hey guys! Check out this funny story that happened when I was camping! ". Dude was concerned about his wife spending FIFTEEN minutes in a bathroom stall with ANOTHER DUDE. I think that might be enough to almost convince me that something pretty UnWAR took place.

I guess 15 minutes is the gold standard for sexaul experiences. And the only evidence we have that they were in the stall together was George.

MITYH: Were you otherwise with your wife during the entire evening? Was there another occasion where her boobs could have come out of her bra without her being aware of it?

Good question here. She was with us all on the volleyball court. She was with us all in the bar on the campground. She was with us all at the site after we left the bar. As I recall this, she was not near me on two occassions.First, when she went to the bathroom with the guys.

The second was later, just before she went to bed. I knew she was pretty drunk, and she headed up to the women's bathroom to take out her contacts and possibly yack. So, I walked up there to check on her. She was sitting on a chair in a bathroom stall by herself. She said she didn't puke, but wasn't feeling well. She got up, and we walked back toward the site. This is when she mentioned her boobs were out and I asked how that happened. I guess what I don't like about that is not that her boobs weren't in her bra, but that fact that it was still fastened. If she were taking off her bra to get ready to go to bed, I'm guessin she would've just taken the thing off completely. That didn't make sense to me.

I know I already posted this, but please ask George whether your wife went into the men's restroom or the women's restroom. This is a simple detail. He has to remember this if he was in the men's restroom. Even if he doesn't remember details of the stall, etc. he has to remember whether she was in the same bathroom when he went to pee. If he remembers her going into the women's restroom, then maybe we are jumping to conclusions.If George says he can't remember which side of the facility she used, he is lying.

 

[Wyldfox]

You guys are torturing MITYH.

Wrong - he is already tortured. Or did you miss the part where he said he can't sleep because of this?

I think you missed the part where I said I didn't read all of this.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If George saw them go into a stall together, the other guy did, too. No e-mail. Phone call.

You'll start to look like an overjealous husband, but if you want the truth this is good advice.

Forget jealous. If you believe his wife is telling the truth, there's a good chance he's being the protective husband he should be, albeit a little late. If you don't believe she's telling the truth, then he has a reason to be jealous. Either way, unless he doesn't care what was done to/with her, it's the next step. I'd think it would go:1. Third guy - phone or in person2. Wife RE: concern for her well-being ("It sure sounds like something happened in that bathroom, and knowing Steve's reputation, I think you'd be wise to get tested. Should we consider contacting the authorities?"). Maybe it's harsh. Maybe it's an over-reaction, but HER reaction will tell a lot - and it's as the concerned husband, not the jealous husband.3. George again - phone or in person4. Steve, with an understanding that you're not asking him what happened - you're confronting him about something you know happened. If you have doubts about whether he'd #### your wife in the bathroom, you aren't going to miss him as a friend anyway. :shurg:

 

[adonis]

Good luck whichever way this goes MITYH. Gonna be tough whatever the answer is just from having had to go down this road.

 

[flufhed]

You guys are torturing MITYH.

Wrong - he is already tortured. Or did you miss the part where he said he can't sleep because of this?

I think you missed the part where I said I didn't read all of this.

Well, it was in the original post, which I thought you said you did read. I guess you did miss that part.

 

[Bonzai]

I'm just saying that 95 percent of the people in this thread are convinced that his wife did something...

Just guessing that we're not the only ones. This thread didn't start out with "Hey guys! Check out this funny story that happened when I was camping! ". Dude was concerned about his wife spending FIFTEEN minutes in a bathroom stall with ANOTHER DUDE. I think that might be enough to almost convince me that something pretty UnWAR took place.

I guess 15 minutes is the gold standard for sexaul experiences. And the only evidence we have that they were in the stall together was George.

MITYH: Were you otherwise with your wife during the entire evening? Was there another occasion where her boobs could have come out of her bra without her being aware of it?

Good question here. She was with us all on the volleyball court. She was with us all in the bar on the campground. She was with us all at the site after we left the bar. As I recall this, she was not near me on two occassions.First, when she went to the bathroom with the guys.

The second was later, just before she went to bed. I knew she was pretty drunk, and she headed up to the women's bathroom to take out her contacts and possibly yack. So, I walked up there to check on her. She was sitting on a chair in a bathroom stall by herself. She said she didn't puke, but wasn't feeling well. She got up, and we walked back toward the site. This is when she mentioned her boobs were out and I asked how that happened. I guess what I don't like about that is not that her boobs weren't in her bra, but that fact that it was still fastened. If she were taking off her bra to get ready to go to bed, I'm guessin she would've just taken the thing off completely. That didn't make sense to me.

how long between these 2 events?

 

[AnonymousBob]

Jesus Christ you guys are scaring the hell out of this poor guy.

I think we're only confirming the fears he already has.

But they may not be right. The one thing he doesn't want to do here is overreact until he gets absolutely no response from his wife and buddy. not every female on this planet is a cheating whore.

He wants to know what happened. Everybody is keeping quiet, including the friend that saw them go into the stall together.

 

[the rover]

Jesus Christ you guys are scaring the hell out of this poor guy.

I think we're only confirming the fears he already has.

But they may not be right. The one thing he doesn't want to do here is overreact until he gets absolutely no response from his wife and buddy. not every female on this planet is a cheating whore.

shush. the adults are talking. here's a cookie.

 

[tommyboy]

seriously, you may never get to the bottom of this. However, the lesson to be learned is drinking behavior caused you both a problem. Live with it. Learn from it. I would imagine you guys might not want to go camping and get ####faced again, at the very least. It only takes a few of these types of episodes to ruin a marriage and a life.

 

[the rover]

seriously, you may never get to the bottom of this. However, the lesson to be learned is drinking behavior caused you both a problem. Live with it. Learn from it. I would imagine you guys might not want to go camping and get ####faced again, at the very least. It only takes a few of these types of episodes to ruin a marriage and a life.

it's camping's fault!

 

[tommyboy]

Jesus Christ you guys are scaring the hell out of this poor guy.

I think we're only confirming the fears he already has.

But they may not be right. The one thing he doesn't want to do here is overreact until he gets absolutely no response from his wife and buddy. not every female on this planet is a cheating whore.

He wants to know what happened. Everybody is keeping quiet, including the friend that saw them go into the stall together.

which is a 100% lock that they're lyingfirst rule: Deny, obfuscate, forget.

 

[Funkley]

If you want to know what really happened this is what you do:Make up an email address that would sort of sound like Steve........on his provider or hotmail etc. Write an email to your wife as Steve. Say that your wife is asking what happened in the bathroom that nite and you only remember bits and pieces and ask her what she remembers.........They you will know what your wife knows.

Especially if she says, "What do you mean you don't remember? You ####ed the #### out of me."

 

[Godfather of Soul]

Jesus Christ you guys are scaring the hell out of this poor guy.

I think we're only confirming the fears he already has.

But they may not be right. The one thing he doesn't want to do here is overreact until he gets absolutely no response from his wife and buddy.

not every female on this planet is a cheating whore.

Most. Inaccurate. Statement. Ever.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

Also, we are all assuming that Steve wanted to hit yellow's wife. It sounds like he already could of or did before. So would Steve even be interested in banging her?

I can without a doubt verify that she was a virgin before I arrived. Now, that doesn't mean she didn't fool around with anyone before I was on the scene, or even while I was on the scene, but she never had the secks before me.As for would he be interested? Hard to say. His wife is really hot, so he's got that going for him. He is alway a bit flirty with my wife, but I never saw anything out of line. Without knowing his history, I could see how someone would think he wouldn't do it. He puts on a good front. My wife actually said "I don't believe Steve would do something like that".

 

[Woz]

Jesus Christ you guys are scaring the hell out of this poor guy.

I think we're only confirming the fears he already has.

But they may not be right. The one thing he doesn't want to do here is overreact until he gets absolutely no response from his wife and buddy. not every female on this planet is a cheating whore.

He wants to know what happened. Everybody is keeping quiet, including the friend that saw them go into the stall together.

And he should absolutely look into it. I'm just saying that the guys tossing out the different types of sex they likely had are going overboard and making this guy think the worst when he should keep an open mind. I dunno, I guess I just know what it feels like to be accused of cheating, understand that there is some reasons for other to have drawn that conclusion, but honestly hadn't done it but had nobody believe me. So, from that experience I can sympathize with the wife and on the chance she did nothing I don't want to see her husband crucify her yet before he knows for sure.

 

[UlyssesNorris]

If George saw them go into a stall together, the other guy did, too. No e-mail. Phone call.

You'll start to look like an overjealous husband, but if you want the truth this is good advice.

Forget jealous. If you believe his wife is telling the truth, there's a good chance he's being the protective husband he should be, albeit a little late. If you don't believe she's telling the truth, then he has a reason to be jealous. Either way, unless he doesn't care what was done to/with her, it's the next step. I'd think it would go:1. Third guy - phone or in person2. Wife RE: concern for her well-being ("It sure sounds like something happened in that bathroom, and knowing Steve's reputation, I think you'd be wise to get tested. Should we consider contacting the authorities?"). Maybe it's harsh. Maybe it's an over-reaction, but HER reaction will tell a lot - and it's as the concerned husband, not the jealous husband.3. George again - phone or in person4. Steve, with an understanding that you're not asking him what happened - you're confronting him about something you know happened. If you have doubts about whether he'd #### your wife in the bathroom, you aren't going to miss him as a friend anyway. :shurg:

Very

 

[Franknbeans]

Enough about Steve and the wife. I want more details about the bathroom stall.

Here I sit broken heartedtried to %$^# but only farted

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

Jesus Christ you guys are scaring the hell out of this poor guy.

I think we're only confirming the fears he already has.

But they may not be right. The one thing he doesn't want to do here is overreact until he gets absolutely no response from his wife and buddy. not every female on this planet is a cheating whore.

I agree that not every female on this planet is a cheating whore. Piece the puzzle together, though. There is enough to be suspicious about.

 

[H Jass]

I'm just saying that 95 percent of the people in this thread are convinced that his wife did something...

Just guessing that we're not the only ones. This thread didn't start out with "Hey guys! Check out this funny story that happened when I was camping! ". Dude was concerned about his wife spending FIFTEEN minutes in a bathroom stall with ANOTHER DUDE. I think that might be enough to almost convince me that something pretty UnWAR took place.

I guess 15 minutes is the gold standard for sexaul experiences. And the only evidence we have that they were in the stall together was George.

MITYH: Were you otherwise with your wife during the entire evening? Was there another occasion where her boobs could have come out of her bra without her being aware of it?

Good question here. She was with us all on the volleyball court. She was with us all in the bar on the campground. She was with us all at the site after we left the bar. As I recall this, she was not near me on two occassions.First, when she went to the bathroom with the guys.

The second was later, just before she went to bed. I knew she was pretty drunk, and she headed up to the women's bathroom to take out her contacts and possibly yack. So, I walked up there to check on her. She was sitting on a chair in a bathroom stall by herself. She said she didn't puke, but wasn't feeling well. She got up, and we walked back toward the site. This is when she mentioned her boobs were out and I asked how that happened. I guess what I don't like about that is not that her boobs weren't in her bra, but that fact that it was still fastened. If she were taking off her bra to get ready to go to bed, I'm guessin she would've just taken the thing off completely. That didn't make sense to me.

How is your wife continuing to act after all of this?? Is she apologetic for putting you through this, has she left you completely twisting in the wind? No matter what really happened, I'm disturbed your wife wouldn't recognize how much pain and confusion she's caused you. Obviously, if she didn't do anything (of which I have a tough time believing) it would be cruel just to blow it off as "I can't remember anything, la, la, la, laaa" and expect you to merrily move on and go about your week. I would think she has to see the obvious strain this is putting on you. Is she just ignoring that and not letting you talk about it?? The extent she doesn't want to talk about it anymore and help you get through what should be an obvious wound, makes her a)uncaring and cruel at best and b)guilty as hell at worst.

 

[SeveredHorseHeads]

So, Man in the Yellow Hat, what are you going to do?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Jesus Christ you guys are scaring the hell out of this poor guy.

I think we're only confirming the fears he already has.

But they may not be right. The one thing he doesn't want to do here is overreact until he gets absolutely no response from his wife and buddy. not every female on this planet is a cheating whore.

He wants to know what happened. Everybody is keeping quiet, including the friend that saw them go into the stall together.

And he should absolutely look into it. I'm just saying that the guys tossing out the different types of sex they likely had are going overboard and making this guy think the worst when he should keep an open mind. I dunno, I guess I just know what it feels like to be accused of cheating, understand that there is some reasons for other to have drawn that conclusion, but honestly hadn't done it but had nobody believe me. So, from that experience I can sympathize with the wife and on the chance she did nothing I don't want to see her husband crucify her yet before he knows for sure.

Some tart you popped for a few months accusing you of slipping some bread into another toaster isn't the same as a guy who is trying to figure out if his wife and the mother of his children played host to his buddy's urinal cake. I'm sorry. It just isn't.

 

[Wyldfox]

You guys are torturing MITYH.

Wrong - he is already tortured. Or did you miss the part where he said he can't sleep because of this?

I think you missed the part where I said I didn't read all of this.

Well, it was in the original post, which I thought you said you did read. I guess you did miss that part.

I guess I did. I'll be sure and read more carefully next time.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

seriously, you may never get to the bottom of this. However, the lesson to be learned is drinking behavior caused you both a problem. Live with it. Learn from it. I would imagine you guys might not want to go camping and get ####faced again, at the very least. It only takes a few of these types of episodes to ruin a marriage and a life.

Drinking isn't the main reason this took place. My wife and our friends like to drink and party and nothing like this has taken place. It's like gun control...don't blame the gun...blame the person that fired the gun. Steve is a snake and MITYH's wife has stated she had a crush on Steve in the past. Steve saw an opportunity and they both took advantage of it.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

I'm just saying that 95 percent of the people in this thread are convinced that his wife did something...

Just guessing that we're not the only ones. This thread didn't start out with "Hey guys! Check out this funny story that happened when I was camping! ". Dude was concerned about his wife spending FIFTEEN minutes in a bathroom stall with ANOTHER DUDE. I think that might be enough to almost convince me that something pretty UnWAR took place.

I guess 15 minutes is the gold standard for sexaul experiences. And the only evidence we have that they were in the stall together was George.

MITYH: Were you otherwise with your wife during the entire evening? Was there another occasion where her boobs could have come out of her bra without her being aware of it?

Good question here. She was with us all on the volleyball court. She was with us all in the bar on the campground. She was with us all at the site after we left the bar. As I recall this, she was not near me on two occassions.First, when she went to the bathroom with the guys.

The second was later, just before she went to bed. I knew she was pretty drunk, and she headed up to the women's bathroom to take out her contacts and possibly yack. So, I walked up there to check on her. She was sitting on a chair in a bathroom stall by herself. She said she didn't puke, but wasn't feeling well. She got up, and we walked back toward the site. This is when she mentioned her boobs were out and I asked how that happened. I guess what I don't like about that is not that her boobs weren't in her bra, but that fact that it was still fastened. If she were taking off her bra to get ready to go to bed, I'm guessin she would've just taken the thing off completely. That didn't make sense to me.

how long between these 2 events?

I'd say anywhere from 45 minutes to 1.5 hours.

 

[Cavalier]

While this is a good trip - this would be a much better topic. Banged my friends wife in the bathroom stall this weekend

 

[Commish77]

I'm just saying that 95 percent of the people in this thread are convinced that his wife did something...

Just guessing that we're not the only ones. This thread didn't start out with "Hey guys! Check out this funny story that happened when I was camping! ". Dude was concerned about his wife spending FIFTEEN minutes in a bathroom stall with ANOTHER DUDE. I think that might be enough to almost convince me that something pretty UnWAR took place.

I guess 15 minutes is the gold standard for sexaul experiences. And the only evidence we have that they were in the stall together was George.

MITYH: Were you otherwise with your wife during the entire evening? Was there another occasion where her boobs could have come out of her bra without her being aware of it?

Good question here. She was with us all on the volleyball court. She was with us all in the bar on the campground. She was with us all at the site after we left the bar. As I recall this, she was not near me on two occassions.First, when she went to the bathroom with the guys.

The second was later, just before she went to bed. I knew she was pretty drunk, and she headed up to the women's bathroom to take out her contacts and possibly yack. So, I walked up there to check on her. She was sitting on a chair in a bathroom stall by herself. She said she didn't puke, but wasn't feeling well. She got up, and we walked back toward the site. This is when she mentioned her boobs were out and I asked how that happened. I guess what I don't like about that is not that her boobs weren't in her bra, but that fact that it was still fastened. If she were taking off her bra to get ready to go to bed, I'm guessin she would've just taken the thing off completely. That didn't make sense to me.

Was she crying in the bathroom alone? Like she was upset about something?

 

[code]

Whew...posts were coming in faster than I could read them...finally caught up...

Oh, and :whitecorner:

 

[HarryManback]

If George saw them go into a stall together, the other guy did, too. No e-mail. Phone call.

You'll start to look like an overjealous husband, but if you want the truth this is good advice.

Forget jealous. If you believe his wife is telling the truth, there's a good chance he's being the protective husband he should be, albeit a little late. If you don't believe she's telling the truth, then he has a reason to be jealous. Either way, unless he doesn't care what was done to/with her, it's the next step. I'd think it would go:1. Third guy - phone or in person2. Wife RE: concern for her well-being ("It sure sounds like something happened in that bathroom, and knowing Steve's reputation, I think you'd be wise to get tested. Should we consider contacting the authorities?"). Maybe it's harsh. Maybe it's an over-reaction, but HER reaction will tell a lot - and it's as the concerned husband, not the jealous husband.3. George again - phone or in person4. Steve, with an understanding that you're not asking him what happened - you're confronting him about something you know happened. If you have doubts about whether he'd #### your wife in the bathroom, you aren't going to miss him as a friend anyway. :shurg:

Very

Looks like good advice to follow.

 

[Cavalier]

Also, we are all assuming that Steve wanted to hit yellow's wife. It sounds like he already could of or did before. So would Steve even be interested in banging her?

I can without a doubt verify that she was a virgin before I arrived. Now, that doesn't mean she didn't fool around with anyone before I was on the scene, or even while I was on the scene, but she never had the secks before me.As for would he be interested? Hard to say. His wife is really hot, so he's got that going for him. He is alway a bit flirty with my wife, but I never saw anything out of line. Without knowing his history, I could see how someone would think he wouldn't do it. He puts on a good front.

My wife actually said "I don't believe Steve would do something like that".

She's covering for the boyfriend already. Man this is bad.

 

[(HULK)]

seriously, you may never get to the bottom of this. However, the lesson to be learned is drinking behavior caused you both a problem. Live with it. Learn from it. I would imagine you guys might not want to go camping and get ####faced again, at the very least. It only takes a few of these types of episodes to ruin a marriage and a life.

it's camping's fault!

I heard Steve used to play Lesuire Suit Larry as a kid.I blame videogames!

 

[tommyboy]

seriously, you may never get to the bottom of this. However, the lesson to be learned is drinking behavior caused you both a problem. Live with it. Learn from it. I would imagine you guys might not want to go camping and get ####faced again, at the very least. It only takes a few of these types of episodes to ruin a marriage and a life.

Drinking isn't the main reason this took place. My wife and our friends like to drink and party and nothing like this has taken place. It's like gun control...don't blame the gun...blame the person that fired the gun. Steve is a snake and MITYH's wife has stated she had a crush on Steve in the past. Steve saw an opportunity and they both took advantage of it.

guaranteed this wouldn't have happened at all if she and he weren't out of their mind wasted. It certainly greased the skids.Look, if you don't want bad #### to happen that you can barely remember, don't get ####ed up. Pretty simple theory.And it works.

 

[Strumey]

this thread is moving so fast, I cant post because there will be 10 more before I am done.

MITYH, I am vey sorry about this whole situation. Like most people here, it sure looks like something happened from what I have read. The "man up" advise is what I would go with. Confront the wife and confront steve, and the trickery to get one of them to admit something is a good plan. What about the other guy? why dont you call him?

 

[Bonzai]

I'm just saying that 95 percent of the people in this thread are convinced that his wife did something...

Just guessing that we're not the only ones. This thread didn't start out with "Hey guys! Check out this funny story that happened when I was camping! ". Dude was concerned about his wife spending FIFTEEN minutes in a bathroom stall with ANOTHER DUDE. I think that might be enough to almost convince me that something pretty UnWAR took place.

I guess 15 minutes is the gold standard for sexaul experiences. And the only evidence we have that they were in the stall together was George.

MITYH: Were you otherwise with your wife during the entire evening? Was there another occasion where her boobs could have come out of her bra without her being aware of it?

Good question here. She was with us all on the volleyball court. She was with us all in the bar on the campground. She was with us all at the site after we left the bar. As I recall this, she was not near me on two occassions.First, when she went to the bathroom with the guys.

The second was later, just before she went to bed. I knew she was pretty drunk, and she headed up to the women's bathroom to take out her contacts and possibly yack. So, I walked up there to check on her. She was sitting on a chair in a bathroom stall by herself. She said she didn't puke, but wasn't feeling well. She got up, and we walked back toward the site. This is when she mentioned her boobs were out and I asked how that happened. I guess what I don't like about that is not that her boobs weren't in her bra, but that fact that it was still fastened. If she were taking off her bra to get ready to go to bed, I'm guessin she would've just taken the thing off completely. That didn't make sense to me.

how long between these 2 events?

I'd say anywhere from 45 minutes to 1.5 hours.

is it reasonable to think that her fun bags were flopping around for an hour without her, or anybody else, noticing?

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

I'm just saying that 95 percent of the people in this thread are convinced that his wife did something...

Just guessing that we're not the only ones. This thread didn't start out with "Hey guys! Check out this funny story that happened when I was camping! ". Dude was concerned about his wife spending FIFTEEN minutes in a bathroom stall with ANOTHER DUDE. I think that might be enough to almost convince me that something pretty UnWAR took place.

I guess 15 minutes is the gold standard for sexaul experiences. And the only evidence we have that they were in the stall together was George.

MITYH: Were you otherwise with your wife during the entire evening? Was there another occasion where her boobs could have come out of her bra without her being aware of it?

Good question here. She was with us all on the volleyball court. She was with us all in the bar on the campground. She was with us all at the site after we left the bar. As I recall this, she was not near me on two occassions.First, when she went to the bathroom with the guys.

The second was later, just before she went to bed. I knew she was pretty drunk, and she headed up to the women's bathroom to take out her contacts and possibly yack. So, I walked up there to check on her. She was sitting on a chair in a bathroom stall by herself. She said she didn't puke, but wasn't feeling well. She got up, and we walked back toward the site. This is when she mentioned her boobs were out and I asked how that happened. I guess what I don't like about that is not that her boobs weren't in her bra, but that fact that it was still fastened. If she were taking off her bra to get ready to go to bed, I'm guessin she would've just taken the thing off completely. That didn't make sense to me.

How is your wife continuing to act after all of this?? Is she apologetic for putting you through this, has she left you completely twisting in the wind? No matter what really happened, I'm disturbed your wife wouldn't recognize how much pain and confusion she's caused you. Obviously, if she didn't do anything (of which I have a tough time believing) it would be cruel just to blow it off as "I can't remember anything, la, la, la, laaa" and expect you to merrily move on and go about your week. I would think she has to see the obvious strain this is putting on you. Is she just ignoring that and not letting you talk about it?? The extent she doesn't want to talk about it anymore and help you get through what should be an obvious wound, makes her a)uncaring and cruel at best and b)guilty as hell at worst.

Well, I brought up very bluntly, not smoothly. Basically I said "Did you bang Steve in the bathroom while camping?" She stared at me and said "What?" I said "George said you and Steve went into the same stall, and you guys were gone by yourselves for at least 15 minutes. I'm just wondering if something happened." She said she had no memory of this. So, I walked her through the rest of the night. Do you remeber this? Yes. This? Yes. Well, your disappearing act happened right between those things. She said she didn't think Steve would do this. She sat quietly for a while, then walked back to our room and sat back there folding clothes. She came out a while later craying saying she thought hard about the night and doesn't remember this at all. She certainly seemed upset that people (others) might get a bad impression of her, especially the dude's wife. The wives in this case have gotten pretty close over the last year or so. She repeated several times that she doesn't remember anything and hopes she didn't do anything stupid.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Jesus Christ you guys are scaring the hell out of this poor guy.

In before Woz finds a way to relate this story back to his hot-ex.

I dunno, I guess I just know what it feels like to be accused of cheating, understand that there is some reasons for other to have drawn that conclusion, but honestly hadn't done it but had nobody believe me. So, from that experience I can sympathize with the wife and on the chance she did nothing I don't want to see her husband crucify her yet before he knows for sure.

 

[the rover]

Jesus Christ you guys are scaring the hell out of this poor guy.

I think we're only confirming the fears he already has.

But they may not be right. The one thing he doesn't want to do here is overreact until he gets absolutely no response from his wife and buddy.

not every female on this planet is a cheating whore.

Most. Inaccurate. Statement. Ever.

added to friends list.

 

[bigbottom]

I'm just saying that 95 percent of the people in this thread are convinced that his wife did something...

Just guessing that we're not the only ones. This thread didn't start out with "Hey guys! Check out this funny story that happened when I was camping! ". Dude was concerned about his wife spending FIFTEEN minutes in a bathroom stall with ANOTHER DUDE. I think that might be enough to almost convince me that something pretty UnWAR took place.

I guess 15 minutes is the gold standard for sexaul experiences. And the only evidence we have that they were in the stall together was George.

MITYH: Were you otherwise with your wife during the entire evening? Was there another occasion where her boobs could have come out of her bra without her being aware of it?

Good question here. She was with us all on the volleyball court. She was with us all in the bar on the campground. She was with us all at the site after we left the bar. As I recall this, she was not near me on two occassions.First, when she went to the bathroom with the guys.

The second was later, just before she went to bed. I knew she was pretty drunk, and she headed up to the women's bathroom to take out her contacts and possibly yack. So, I walked up there to check on her. She was sitting on a chair in a bathroom stall by herself. She said she didn't puke, but wasn't feeling well. She got up, and we walked back toward the site. This is when she mentioned her boobs were out and I asked how that happened. I guess what I don't like about that is not that her boobs weren't in her bra, but that fact that it was still fastened. If she were taking off her bra to get ready to go to bed, I'm guessin she would've just taken the thing off completely. That didn't make sense to me.

how long between these 2 events?

I'd say anywhere from 45 minutes to 1.5 hours.

is it reasonable to think that her fun bags were flopping around for an hour without her, or anybody else, noticing?

This is a good point. What kind of shirt was she wearing?

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

I'm just saying that 95 percent of the people in this thread are convinced that his wife did something...

Just guessing that we're not the only ones. This thread didn't start out with "Hey guys! Check out this funny story that happened when I was camping! ". Dude was concerned about his wife spending FIFTEEN minutes in a bathroom stall with ANOTHER DUDE. I think that might be enough to almost convince me that something pretty UnWAR took place.

I guess 15 minutes is the gold standard for sexaul experiences. And the only evidence we have that they were in the stall together was George.

MITYH: Were you otherwise with your wife during the entire evening? Was there another occasion where her boobs could have come out of her bra without her being aware of it?

Good question here. She was with us all on the volleyball court. She was with us all in the bar on the campground. She was with us all at the site after we left the bar. As I recall this, she was not near me on two occassions.First, when she went to the bathroom with the guys.

The second was later, just before she went to bed. I knew she was pretty drunk, and she headed up to the women's bathroom to take out her contacts and possibly yack. So, I walked up there to check on her. She was sitting on a chair in a bathroom stall by herself. She said she didn't puke, but wasn't feeling well. She got up, and we walked back toward the site. This is when she mentioned her boobs were out and I asked how that happened. I guess what I don't like about that is not that her boobs weren't in her bra, but that fact that it was still fastened. If she were taking off her bra to get ready to go to bed, I'm guessin she would've just taken the thing off completely. That didn't make sense to me.

how long between these 2 events?

I'd say anywhere from 45 minutes to 1.5 hours.

is it reasonable to think that her fun bags were flopping around for an hour without her, or anybody else, noticing?

We're talking temps in the 50s at night. She was wearing an oversized sweatshirt, so yes, it's possible.

 

[the rover]

I'm just saying that 95 percent of the people in this thread are convinced that his wife did something...

Just guessing that we're not the only ones. This thread didn't start out with "Hey guys! Check out this funny story that happened when I was camping! ". Dude was concerned about his wife spending FIFTEEN minutes in a bathroom stall with ANOTHER DUDE. I think that might be enough to almost convince me that something pretty UnWAR took place.

I guess 15 minutes is the gold standard for sexaul experiences. And the only evidence we have that they were in the stall together was George.

MITYH: Were you otherwise with your wife during the entire evening? Was there another occasion where her boobs could have come out of her bra without her being aware of it?

Good question here. She was with us all on the volleyball court. She was with us all in the bar on the campground. She was with us all at the site after we left the bar. As I recall this, she was not near me on two occassions.First, when she went to the bathroom with the guys.

The second was later, just before she went to bed. I knew she was pretty drunk, and she headed up to the women's bathroom to take out her contacts and possibly yack. So, I walked up there to check on her. She was sitting on a chair in a bathroom stall by herself. She said she didn't puke, but wasn't feeling well. She got up, and we walked back toward the site. This is when she mentioned her boobs were out and I asked how that happened. I guess what I don't like about that is not that her boobs weren't in her bra, but that fact that it was still fastened. If she were taking off her bra to get ready to go to bed, I'm guessin she would've just taken the thing off completely. That didn't make sense to me.

How is your wife continuing to act after all of this?? Is she apologetic for putting you through this, has she left you completely twisting in the wind? No matter what really happened, I'm disturbed your wife wouldn't recognize how much pain and confusion she's caused you. Obviously, if she didn't do anything (of which I have a tough time believing) it would be cruel just to blow it off as "I can't remember anything, la, la, la, laaa" and expect you to merrily move on and go about your week. I would think she has to see the obvious strain this is putting on you. Is she just ignoring that and not letting you talk about it?? The extent she doesn't want to talk about it anymore and help you get through what should be an obvious wound, makes her a)uncaring and cruel at best and b)guilty as hell at worst.

Well, I brought up very bluntly, not smoothly. Basically I said "Did you bang Steve in the bathroom while camping?" She stared at me and said "What?" I said "George said you and Steve went into the same stall, and you guys were gone by yourselves for at least 15 minutes. I'm just wondering if something happened." She said she had no memory of this. So, I walked her through the rest of the night. Do you remeber this? Yes. This? Yes. Well, your disappearing act happened right between those things. She said she didn't think Steve would do this. She sat quietly for a while, then walked back to our room and sat back there folding clothes. She came out a while later craying saying she thought hard about the night and doesn't remember this at all. She certainly seemed upset that people (others) might get a bad impression of her, especially the dude's wife. The wives in this case have gotten pretty close over the last year or so. She repeated several times that she doesn't remember anything and hopes she didn't do anything stupid.

sorry, man.

 

[patrickmcgroin]

I'm just saying that 95 percent of the people in this thread are convinced that his wife did something...

Just guessing that we're not the only ones. This thread didn't start out with "Hey guys! Check out this funny story that happened when I was camping! ". Dude was concerned about his wife spending FIFTEEN minutes in a bathroom stall with ANOTHER DUDE. I think that might be enough to almost convince me that something pretty UnWAR took place.

I guess 15 minutes is the gold standard for sexaul experiences. And the only evidence we have that they were in the stall together was George.

MITYH: Were you otherwise with your wife during the entire evening? Was there another occasion where her boobs could have come out of her bra without her being aware of it?

Good question here. She was with us all on the volleyball court. She was with us all in the bar on the campground. She was with us all at the site after we left the bar. As I recall this, she was not near me on two occassions.First, when she went to the bathroom with the guys.

The second was later, just before she went to bed. I knew she was pretty drunk, and she headed up to the women's bathroom to take out her contacts and possibly yack. So, I walked up there to check on her. She was sitting on a chair in a bathroom stall by herself. She said she didn't puke, but wasn't feeling well. She got up, and we walked back toward the site. This is when she mentioned her boobs were out and I asked how that happened. I guess what I don't like about that is not that her boobs weren't in her bra, but that fact that it was still fastened. If she were taking off her bra to get ready to go to bed, I'm guessin she would've just taken the thing off completely. That didn't make sense to me.

How is your wife continuing to act after all of this?? Is she apologetic for putting you through this, has she left you completely twisting in the wind? No matter what really happened, I'm disturbed your wife wouldn't recognize how much pain and confusion she's caused you. Obviously, if she didn't do anything (of which I have a tough time believing) it would be cruel just to blow it off as "I can't remember anything, la, la, la, laaa" and expect you to merrily move on and go about your week. I would think she has to see the obvious strain this is putting on you. Is she just ignoring that and not letting you talk about it?? The extent she doesn't want to talk about it anymore and help you get through what should be an obvious wound, makes her a)uncaring and cruel at best and b)guilty as hell at worst.

Well, I brought up very bluntly, not smoothly. Basically I said "Did you bang Steve in the bathroom while camping?" She stared at me and said "What?" I said "George said you and Steve went into the same stall, and you guys were gone by yourselves for at least 15 minutes. I'm just wondering if something happened." She said she had no memory of this. So, I walked her through the rest of the night. Do you remeber this? Yes. This? Yes. Well, your disappearing act happened right between those things. She said she didn't think Steve would do this. She sat quietly for a while, then walked back to our room and sat back there folding clothes. She came out a while later craying saying she thought hard about the night and doesn't remember this at all. She certainly seemed upset that people (others) might get a bad impression of her, especially the dude's wife. The wives in this case have gotten pretty close over the last year or so. She repeated several times that she doesn't remember anything and hopes she didn't do anything stupid.

Wow.

 

[Woz]

Jesus Christ you guys are scaring the hell out of this poor guy.

I think we're only confirming the fears he already has.

But they may not be right. The one thing he doesn't want to do here is overreact until he gets absolutely no response from his wife and buddy. not every female on this planet is a cheating whore.

He wants to know what happened. Everybody is keeping quiet, including the friend that saw them go into the stall together.

And he should absolutely look into it. I'm just saying that the guys tossing out the different types of sex they likely had are going overboard and making this guy think the worst when he should keep an open mind. I dunno, I guess I just know what it feels like to be accused of cheating, understand that there is some reasons for other to have drawn that conclusion, but honestly hadn't done it but had nobody believe me. So, from that experience I can sympathize with the wife and on the chance she did nothing I don't want to see her husband crucify her yet before he knows for sure.

Some tart you popped for a few months accusing you of slipping some bread into another toaster isn't the same as a guy who is trying to figure out if his wife and the mother of his children played host to his buddy's urinal cake. I'm sorry. It just isn't.

I'm not saying it is, but the analogous facts in both are that some circumstancial facts suggests the person in question may have done some bad things. Just saying that guys telling the OP that his wife obviously had oral sex with him, made out with him, or whatever when the facts are at best circumstantial should relax because it's gotta be tearing at this guy's psyche. I just don't want to see him flip out on his wife, her be hurt because she realizes her husband doesn't trust her, and their whole marriage be either dented or ruined when it's possible nothing really did happen. Accusing someone of cheating is very serious IMO. By us railing into this guy that his wife clearly did that is going to make him more likely to confront his wife in a harsh manner on this. I think that's a bad thing.

 

[Nigel Tufnel]

I'm just saying that 95 percent of the people in this thread are convinced that his wife did something...

Just guessing that we're not the only ones. This thread didn't start out with "Hey guys! Check out this funny story that happened when I was camping! ". Dude was concerned about his wife spending FIFTEEN minutes in a bathroom stall with ANOTHER DUDE. I think that might be enough to almost convince me that something pretty UnWAR took place.

I guess 15 minutes is the gold standard for sexaul experiences. And the only evidence we have that they were in the stall together was George.

MITYH: Were you otherwise with your wife during the entire evening? Was there another occasion where her boobs could have come out of her bra without her being aware of it?

Good question here. She was with us all on the volleyball court. She was with us all in the bar on the campground. She was with us all at the site after we left the bar. As I recall this, she was not near me on two occassions.First, when she went to the bathroom with the guys.

The second was later, just before she went to bed. I knew she was pretty drunk, and she headed up to the women's bathroom to take out her contacts and possibly yack. So, I walked up there to check on her. She was sitting on a chair in a bathroom stall by herself. She said she didn't puke, but wasn't feeling well. She got up, and we walked back toward the site. This is when she mentioned her boobs were out and I asked how that happened. I guess what I don't like about that is not that her boobs weren't in her bra, but that fact that it was still fastened. If she were taking off her bra to get ready to go to bed, I'm guessin she would've just taken the thing off completely. That didn't make sense to me.

How is your wife continuing to act after all of this?? Is she apologetic for putting you through this, has she left you completely twisting in the wind? No matter what really happened, I'm disturbed your wife wouldn't recognize how much pain and confusion she's caused you. Obviously, if she didn't do anything (of which I have a tough time believing) it would be cruel just to blow it off as "I can't remember anything, la, la, la, laaa" and expect you to merrily move on and go about your week. I would think she has to see the obvious strain this is putting on you. Is she just ignoring that and not letting you talk about it?? The extent she doesn't want to talk about it anymore and help you get through what should be an obvious wound, makes her a)uncaring and cruel at best and b)guilty as hell at worst.

Well, I brought up very bluntly, not smoothly. Basically I said "Did you bang Steve in the bathroom while camping?" She stared at me and said "What?" I said "George said you and Steve went into the same stall, and you guys were gone by yourselves for at least 15 minutes. I'm just wondering if something happened." She said she had no memory of this. So, I walked her through the rest of the night. Do you remeber this? Yes. This? Yes. Well, your disappearing act happened right between those things. She said she didn't think Steve would do this. She sat quietly for a while, then walked back to our room and sat back there folding clothes. She came out a while later craying saying she thought hard about the night and doesn't remember this at all. She certainly seemed upset that people (others) might get a bad impression of her, especially the dude's wife. The wives in this case have gotten pretty close over the last year or so. She repeated several times that she doesn't remember anything and hopes she didn't do anything stupid.

Ugh.

 

[Third]

I'm just saying that 95 percent of the people in this thread are convinced that his wife did something...

Just guessing that we're not the only ones. This thread didn't start out with "Hey guys! Check out this funny story that happened when I was camping! ". Dude was concerned about his wife spending FIFTEEN minutes in a bathroom stall with ANOTHER DUDE. I think that might be enough to almost convince me that something pretty UnWAR took place.

I guess 15 minutes is the gold standard for sexaul experiences. And the only evidence we have that they were in the stall together was George.

MITYH: Were you otherwise with your wife during the entire evening? Was there another occasion where her boobs could have come out of her bra without her being aware of it?

Good question here. She was with us all on the volleyball court. She was with us all in the bar on the campground. She was with us all at the site after we left the bar. As I recall this, she was not near me on two occassions.First, when she went to the bathroom with the guys.

The second was later, just before she went to bed. I knew she was pretty drunk, and she headed up to the women's bathroom to take out her contacts and possibly yack. So, I walked up there to check on her. She was sitting on a chair in a bathroom stall by herself. She said she didn't puke, but wasn't feeling well. She got up, and we walked back toward the site. This is when she mentioned her boobs were out and I asked how that happened. I guess what I don't like about that is not that her boobs weren't in her bra, but that fact that it was still fastened. If she were taking off her bra to get ready to go to bed, I'm guessin she would've just taken the thing off completely. That didn't make sense to me.

Was she crying in the bathroom alone? Like she was upset about something?

Same question occurred to me.....how was her demeanor in the bathroom? Thinking back, did she seem "sick" or "upset" or what?Side note - in my experience, if I am totally wasted to the point that I am "blacking out" and forgetting significant gaps in time, I can't normally hold in the vomit until the next morning. If your wife was as drunk as she and you say she was, it seems odd that she went to the bathroom later b/c she felt sick but didn't actually throw up, then went to bed, then woke up in the morning and threw up. Did you see her throw up the next morning? I know it's different with everyone, but if she was THAT drunk, don't know how she kept it in until the next morning.

All that to say, if she was in the bathroom claiming to feel "sick" but her demeanor suggested she was upset/needed to be alone/seemed bothered, etc., that might be pretty telling.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

I'm just saying that 95 percent of the people in this thread are convinced that his wife did something...

Just guessing that we're not the only ones. This thread didn't start out with "Hey guys! Check out this funny story that happened when I was camping! ". Dude was concerned about his wife spending FIFTEEN minutes in a bathroom stall with ANOTHER DUDE. I think that might be enough to almost convince me that something pretty UnWAR took place.

I guess 15 minutes is the gold standard for sexaul experiences. And the only evidence we have that they were in the stall together was George.

MITYH: Were you otherwise with your wife during the entire evening? Was there another occasion where her boobs could have come out of her bra without her being aware of it?

Good question here. She was with us all on the volleyball court. She was with us all in the bar on the campground. She was with us all at the site after we left the bar. As I recall this, she was not near me on two occassions.First, when she went to the bathroom with the guys.

The second was later, just before she went to bed. I knew she was pretty drunk, and she headed up to the women's bathroom to take out her contacts and possibly yack. So, I walked up there to check on her. She was sitting on a chair in a bathroom stall by herself. She said she didn't puke, but wasn't feeling well. She got up, and we walked back toward the site. This is when she mentioned her boobs were out and I asked how that happened. I guess what I don't like about that is not that her boobs weren't in her bra, but that fact that it was still fastened. If she were taking off her bra to get ready to go to bed, I'm guessin she would've just taken the thing off completely. That didn't make sense to me.

How is your wife continuing to act after all of this?? Is she apologetic for putting you through this, has she left you completely twisting in the wind? No matter what really happened, I'm disturbed your wife wouldn't recognize how much pain and confusion she's caused you. Obviously, if she didn't do anything (of which I have a tough time believing) it would be cruel just to blow it off as "I can't remember anything, la, la, la, laaa" and expect you to merrily move on and go about your week. I would think she has to see the obvious strain this is putting on you. Is she just ignoring that and not letting you talk about it?? The extent she doesn't want to talk about it anymore and help you get through what should be an obvious wound, makes her a)uncaring and cruel at best and b)guilty as hell at worst.

Well, I brought up very bluntly, not smoothly. Basically I said "Did you bang Steve in the bathroom while camping?" She stared at me and said "What?" I said "George said you and Steve went into the same stall, and you guys were gone by yourselves for at least 15 minutes. I'm just wondering if something happened." She said she had no memory of this. So, I walked her through the rest of the night. Do you remeber this? Yes. This? Yes. Well, your disappearing act happened right between those things. She said she didn't think Steve would do this. She sat quietly for a while, then walked back to our room and sat back there folding clothes. She came out a while later craying saying she thought hard about the night and doesn't remember this at all. She certainly seemed upset that people (others) might get a bad impression of her, especially the dude's wife. The wives in this case have gotten pretty close over the last year or so. She repeated several times that she doesn't remember anything and hopes she didn't do anything stupid.

Time to call Steve.

 

[Cavalier]

I'm just saying that 95 percent of the people in this thread are convinced that his wife did something...

Just guessing that we're not the only ones. This thread didn't start out with "Hey guys! Check out this funny story that happened when I was camping! ". Dude was concerned about his wife spending FIFTEEN minutes in a bathroom stall with ANOTHER DUDE. I think that might be enough to almost convince me that something pretty UnWAR took place.

I guess 15 minutes is the gold standard for sexaul experiences. And the only evidence we have that they were in the stall together was George.

MITYH: Were you otherwise with your wife during the entire evening? Was there another occasion where her boobs could have come out of her bra without her being aware of it?

Good question here. She was with us all on the volleyball court. She was with us all in the bar on the campground. She was with us all at the site after we left the bar. As I recall this, she was not near me on two occassions.First, when she went to the bathroom with the guys.

The second was later, just before she went to bed. I knew she was pretty drunk, and she headed up to the women's bathroom to take out her contacts and possibly yack. So, I walked up there to check on her. She was sitting on a chair in a bathroom stall by herself. She said she didn't puke, but wasn't feeling well. She got up, and we walked back toward the site. This is when she mentioned her boobs were out and I asked how that happened. I guess what I don't like about that is not that her boobs weren't in her bra, but that fact that it was still fastened. If she were taking off her bra to get ready to go to bed, I'm guessin she would've just taken the thing off completely. That didn't make sense to me.

How is your wife continuing to act after all of this?? Is she apologetic for putting you through this, has she left you completely twisting in the wind? No matter what really happened, I'm disturbed your wife wouldn't recognize how much pain and confusion she's caused you. Obviously, if she didn't do anything (of which I have a tough time believing) it would be cruel just to blow it off as "I can't remember anything, la, la, la, laaa" and expect you to merrily move on and go about your week. I would think she has to see the obvious strain this is putting on you. Is she just ignoring that and not letting you talk about it?? The extent she doesn't want to talk about it anymore and help you get through what should be an obvious wound, makes her a)uncaring and cruel at best and b)guilty as hell at worst.

Well, I brought up very bluntly, not smoothly. Basically I said "Did you bang Steve in the bathroom while camping?" She stared at me and said "What?" I said "George said you and Steve went into the same stall, and you guys were gone by yourselves for at least 15 minutes. I'm just wondering if something happened." She said she had no memory of this. So, I walked her through the rest of the night. Do you remeber this? Yes. This? Yes. Well, your disappearing act happened right between those things. She said she didn't think Steve would do this. She sat quietly for a while, then walked back to our room and sat back there folding clothes. She came out a while later craying saying she thought hard about the night and doesn't remember this at all. She certainly seemed upset that people (others) might get a bad impression of her, especially the dude's wife. The wives in this case have gotten pretty close over the last year or so. She repeated several times that she doesn't remember anything and hopes she didn't do anything stupid.

Man she's a fast thinker. Playing dumb. Going right to the too drunk to remember card. This girl has game and sounds like she been in this situation before.