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Mark Cuban on prejudices (1 Viewer)

Very honest reply, and I would think most would answer the exact same way if taking a polygraph or injected with truth serum

 
Love his comment about not forcing people to be quiet because he wants to know who the morons are.

Disagree with his comment about glass houses. Why are only those that live in glass houses not supposed to throw stones? It seems like, of anyone, those living in glass houses should be most apt to throw stones because it'll actually be effective if they're ever locked out. Instead, I propose an adage of "no stone throwing regardless of housing situation."

/Demetri Martin

 
Zow said:
Love his comment about not forcing people to be quiet because he wants to know who the morons are.

Disagree with his comment about glass houses. Why are only those that live in glass houses not supposed to throw stones? It seems like, of anyone, those living in glass houses should be most apt to throw stones because it'll actually be effective if they're ever locked out. Instead, I propose an adage of "no stone throwing regardless of housing situation."

/Demetri Martin
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Mark Cuban throws lots of stone in and out of his glass mansion.

 
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"In this day and age, this country has really come a long way putting any type of bigotry behind us, regardless of who it's toward. We've come a long way, and with that progress comes a price. We're a lot more vigilant and we're a lot less tolerant of different views,"

Truer words have never been spoken.

 
Bomani Jones didn't appreciate the Hoodie comment.

Probably a poor choice of words but the point he was making was important.

 
Rove! said:
The hoodie thing is certainly regrettable
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Aside from it being not the smartest thing in the world to say, I thought it was also kind of weird that he thinks that way in the first place. I see black kids in hoodies all the time and it never occurs to me that I should be scared of them. I guess maybe that's a product of living in a city that doesn't have a significant black population, and also being super-rich and living in gated communities? He's also older than I thought- I would have guessed mid 40s but he's 55, so he was already a teenager during the white flight era.

 
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TobiasFunke said:
Rove! said:
The hoodie thing is certainly regrettable
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Aside from it being not the smartest thing in the world to say, I thought it was also kind of weird that he thinks that way in the first place. I see black kids in hoodies all the time and it never occurs to me that I should be scared of them. I guess maybe that's a product of living in a city that doesn't have a significant black population, and also being super-rich and living in gated communities? He's also older than I thought- I would have guessed mid 40s but he's 55, so he was already a teenager during the white flight era.
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Where does he live exactly, Dallas?

Plenty of blacks there, poor, poor blacks that would make you think you were in Mississippi 1965 in some places.

 
If it's dark and I see someone with a hoodie pulled up so that I can't see their face, I'm going to feel differently than of that same person had jeans and a polo shirt or a suit and tie.

That goes if the person is black or white.

And I wear hoodies all the time. And not Otis's $100 hoodies either.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
Surprised nobody's pointed out the obvious Jesse Jackson parallels yet.
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There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.... After all we have been through. Just to think we can't walk down our own streets, how humiliating.

Jessie Jackson

 
Cuban is honest by saying he has faults because he's prejudiced, then gives an example of being fearful of young black men in hoodies at night.

Then people like Bomani Jones get angry that he's being unfair to black kids in hoodies (i.e. he's prejudiced)

It's like listening comprehension doesn't last more than 3 seconds at a time.

 
Fennis said:
Abraham said:
Rove! said:
The hoodie thing is certainly regrettable
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Why?
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well for starters he owns a basketball team where the majority of players have walked down the street wearing hoodies.
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Right.

And, Mark Cuban is telling you that if it's late at night, and they are alone and wearing those hoodies, he's going to walk to the other side of the street, so to speak.*

*Do you really think Mark Cuban is ever walking the streets of any neighborhood anywhere late at night alone? I don't. He's telling us his fears and using this as an analogy and I do believe it's apt.

I don't own an NBA team, but if I did, I think I'd be detached enough from society that I'd be somewhat fearful of anyone walking my way late at night, particularly someone in a hoodie or someone whose faces are completely tattood - whether they be green, orange, red, white, black, mixed, gray, or any other color in between. I wouldn't walk on the other side of the street, but you best believe I am on heightened alert and am ready to start running for my life whenever I see anyone who looks "rough" after midnight and we are alone. I think (maybe hope?) that's what Cuban was saying. Maybe not, though.

 
Fennis said:
Abraham said:
Rove! said:
The hoodie thing is certainly regrettable
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Why?
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well for starters he owns a basketball team where the majority of players have walked down the street wearing hoodies.
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Did you also miss the part where he said he'd walk back to the other side of the street (the side with the hoodie-wearing black youth) if he saw a white male with tatoos on his face?

So, at least we've got that, right? Black male late at night wearing a hoodie is less threatening than a white male late at night with tatoos all over his face (which I also find less threatening).

 
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Cuban is honest by saying he has faults because he's prejudiced, then gives an example of being fearful of young black men in hoodies at night.

Then people like Bomani Jones get angry that he's being unfair to black kids in hoodies (i.e. he's prejudiced)

It's like listening comprehension doesn't last more than 3 seconds at a time.
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:goodposting:

 
I've always kind of gone with Ian MacKaye's quote that we're all bigots, and hopefully to improve from that position. It's a similar position to Cuban's, though Cuban's is a bit more relativistic.

 
People are too sensitive imo.

We all make "thin-slice" decisions when we see a person - it usually is not one factor - how are they dressed, what color is the skin, tall/short, fat/fit, what is their demeanor, what are they doing, what do they sound like? We pass judgement on almost everyone we come into contact with, even if we don't know the person.

A person's race, will almost always be a factor in those decisions. How big a factor, and how it influences your decisions, will be based largely on your own experiences.

 
He's attempting to make a statement about race - and I give him credit for that - but he's missing the bullseye. It's not about being tolerant of kids in hoodies or guys with tat's - it's about changing the dynamic (usually environment) that sends kids down the path of crime. You have to address the source.

 
Norman Paperman said:
shadyridr said:
I dont get the hoodie prejudice. What makes someone in a hoodie seem dangerous?
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:shrug: presumably they look like they are trying to hide their appearance, and GGs generally do not try to hide their appearance.
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It's not the hoodie, it's the hood.

I don't care the race. Hood down late at night and it's 80 degrees out: :hifive:

Hood up 80 degree night: :scared:

Ban hoodies. :rant:

I don't trust those hipsters that wear a stocking cap year round either.

 
The Dude said:
He's attempting to make a statement about race - and I give him credit for that - but he's missing the bullseye. It's not about being tolerant of kids in hoodies or guys with tat's - it's about changing the dynamic (usually environment) that sends kids down the path of crime. You have to address the source.
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Their parents?

 
For every kid wearing a hoodie who is a bad guy there are thousands who wear them who aren't. Same is true with bald guys and tats or facial tats.

He could have left out the examples and been more effective. With that said, I'm glad he spoke up.

I honestly wish there was a way to get Steven A. Smith, Jason Whitlock, Dan LeBatard (sp?), and other's of mixed races including Caucasians into a room to discuss race relations and how we can move forward as a country. Bigotry and racism is ugly and we should be able to move to the next level here, whatever that is.

 
pizzatyme said:
For every kid wearing a hoodie who is a bad guy there are thousands who wear them who aren't. Same is true with bald guys and tats or facial tats.

He could have left out the examples and been more effective. With that said, I'm glad he spoke up.

I honestly wish there was a way to get Steven A. Smith, Jason Whitlock, Dan LeBatard (sp?), and other's of mixed races including Caucasians into a room to discuss race relations and how we can move forward as a country. Bigotry and racism is ugly and we should be able to move to the next level here, whatever that is.
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Maybe Smith and LeBatard (though there are plenty of other people who are much more expert on this subject.)

But not Jason Whitlock. Dude will say anything to be controversial.

 
I know Jason personally. We went to HS together and played FB together. While he can be controversial, he is also balanced.

And I'd prefer not to have experts but rather people who are willing to be open and keep it real.

 
"That night, well past midnight, a car pulls up in front of my apartment building, carrying a troop of teenage boys and a set of stereo speakers so loud that the floor of my apartment begins to shake. I've learned to ignore such disturbances -- where else do they have to go? I say to myself. But on this particular evening I have someone staying over ...

"'Listen, people, are trying to sleep around here. Why don't y'all take it someplace else?'

"The four boys inside say nothing, don't even move. The wind wipes away my drowsiness, and I feel suddenly exposed, standing in a pair of shorts on the sidewalk in the middle of the night.... One of them could be Kyle. One of them could be Roy. One of them could be Johnnie."

Kyle, Roy, and Johnnie are all black male characters in Dreams from My Father -- in other words, as Obama's grandfather might say, the fellas in the car are black. Obama then proceeds to make stereotypical assumptions about young black males:

"I start picturing myself through the eyes of these boys, a figure of random authority, and know the calculations they might now be making, that if one of them can't take me out, the four of them certainly can."

The chapter ends:

"The engine starts, and the car screeches away. I turn back toward my apartment knowing that I've been both stupid and lucky, knowing that I am afraid after all."
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I hate that some people like on ESPN are trying to equate this to Sterling's comments. What Cuban said is nothing different than what Jesse Jackson said before.

 
Just heard the tease on Morning Joe that Cuban is apologizing to Travon's family. Really?? What a #### country we live in.

Can someone please say something honest about middle aged, slightly overweight white men so that I can be offended and stomp my feet

 
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glvsav37 said:
Just heard the tease on Morning Joe that Cuban is apologizing to Travon's family. Really?? What a #### country we live in.

Can someone please say something honest about middle aged, slightly overweight white men so that I can be offended and stomp my feet
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They are a bunch of wussies.

 
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