Mark Cuban on prejudices (1 Viewer)

[Arizona Ron]

I honestly think this is Cuban's way of softening the media before voting to NOT remove Sterling.

 

[bleachercreacher]

What kills me about Bomani Jones is that after blasting Cuban he called the tattoos the white guy has "jailhouse tattoos". He totally made Mark Cuban's point.

 

[Ned]

What kills me about Bomani Jones is that after blasting Cuban he called the tattoos the white guy has "jailhouse tattoos". He totally made Mark Cuban's point.

Terrible.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

This is one of those things to file away for the next time somebody says that we need to have a national conversation about race. You don't have to be Admiral Ackbar to see that this is always a trap.

 

[Willie Whistle]

The hoodie thing is certainly regrettable

Yeah, we get his point but it really conjures up some bad recent memories.

Are you referring to this?

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2014/01/philadelphia_police_release_fo.html

 

[Rayderr]

The hoodie thing is certainly regrettable

Yeah, we get his point but it really conjures up some bad recent memories.

Are you referring to this?

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2014/01/philadelphia_police_release_fo.html

I think he meant this.

 

[Norman Paperman]

bad guys wear hoodies. It is known.

 

[Arizona Ron]

The hoodie thing is certainly regrettable

Yeah, we get his point but it really conjures up some bad recent memories.

Are you referring to this?

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2014/01/philadelphia_police_release_fo.html

I think he meant this.

no this

 

[Kal El]

I actually kind of agree with what he said. Some people who wear hoodies or shave their heads tend to give off a bad vibe, though lumping people together for no good reason is a bad idea. That being said, I feel he could have worded what he said better.

 

[TobiasFunke]

This is one of those things to file away for the next time somebody says that we need to have a national conversation about race. You don't have to be Admiral Ackbar to see that this is always a trap.

Strange that the story broke on the same day that someone actually did try to engage the country in a serious conversation about race (the Coates piece in the Atlantic). Not a surprise which is getting more attention.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

The hoodie thing is certainly regrettable

Yeah, we get his point but it really conjures up some bad recent memories.

Are you referring to this?http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2014/01/philadelphia_police_release_fo.html

I think he meant this.

no this

At last, a pic of Girl 3!

(Don't bother convincing me otherwise)

 

[IvanKaramazov]

This is one of those things to file away for the next time somebody says that we need to have a national conversation about race. You don't have to be Admiral Ackbar to see that this is always a trap.

Strange that the story broke on the same day that someone actually did try to engage the country in a serious conversation about race (the Coates piece in the Atlantic). Not a surprise which is getting more attention.

Yeah, I read that one (it would be more accurate to say that I read some of it and skimmed a lot of it). Obviously reparations aren't happening but it was a good piece otherwise.

 

[TobiasFunke]

This is one of those things to file away for the next time somebody says that we need to have a national conversation about race. You don't have to be Admiral Ackbar to see that this is always a trap.

Strange that the story broke on the same day that someone actually did try to engage the country in a serious conversation about race (the Coates piece in the Atlantic). Not a surprise which is getting more attention.

Yeah, I read that one (it would be more accurate to say that I read some of it and skimmed a lot of it). Obviously reparations aren't happening but it was a good piece otherwise.

My first reaction after reading it was that it was a shame that it had such a provocative title that might scare off people from reading something so worthwhile. But maybe that will get it more attention then it would get otherwise?

Funny that we don't even have a thread about it here. I thought about starting one but I figured my political leanings might make people less inclined to read it or something, so I left it to someone else.

Here's the link if anyone's curious (and has an hour or so to spare)

 

[lod01]

Just heard the tease on Morning Joe that Cuban is apologizing to Travon's family. Really?? What a #### country we live in.

Can someone please say something honest about middle aged, slightly overweight white men so that I can be offended and stomp my feet

Mind your own business you outta shape cracker.

 

[jonessed]

I actually kind of agree with what he said. Some people who wear hoodies or shave their heads tend to give off a bad vibe, though lumping people together for no good reason is a bad idea. That being said, I feel he could have worded what he said better.

We can't have an open and honest discussion about race and have it be completely PC. We are setting ourselves up for failure on this issue.

 

[IC FBGCav]

People are too sensitive imo.

We all make "thin-slice" decisions when we see a person - it usually is not one factor - how are they dressed, what color is the skin, tall/short, fat/fit, what is their demeanor, what are they doing, what do they sound like? We pass judgement on almost everyone we come into contact with, even if we don't know the person.

A person's race, will almost always be a factor in those decisions. How big a factor, and how it influences your decisions, will be based largely on your own experiences.

I think this is spot on with all the situations I have been in. Your location and time of day has as much to do with things as anything else. If it is late at night you are on alert anyway if you want to be street smart.

 

[Black Box]

I agree with Cuban.

 

[Fennis]

Just heard the tease on Morning Joe that Cuban is apologizing to Travon's family. Really?? What a #### country we live in.

Can someone please say something honest about middle aged, slightly overweight white men so that I can be offended and stomp my feet

The way to offend beer bellied, middle aged white guys is to have Morning Joe announce that Mark Cuban is apologizing to Trayvon Martin's family.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I agree with Cuban.

There's nothing to agree with- he's just explaining his own feelings and perceptions. He said he wishes he didn't have them.

 

[Courtjester]

Well, I for one want to see him apologize to every bald headed, biker type as well. It just is so insensitive of him not to.

 

[Sand]

I honestly think this is Cuban's way of softening the media before voting to NOT remove Sterling.

I don't think there is any doubt this is going to happen.

But I also think there is no way Sterling is out regardless of any voting. The NBA massively overstepped their bounds both with the fine and this vote (i.e. it had no power to do what it has done - the max fine should have been 1M and there is no power to call this vote). I expect the NBA to be eating some legal crow here in not too long on this.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I honestly think this is Cuban's way of softening the media before voting to NOT remove Sterling.

I don't think there is any doubt this is going to happen.

But I also think there is no way Sterling is out regardless of any voting. The NBA massively overstepped their bounds both with the fine and this vote (i.e. it had no power to do what it has done - the max fine should have been 1M and there is no power to call this vote). I expect the NBA to be eating some legal crow here in not too long on this.

What kind of odds would you give me on any of this? Cuban's vote? The NBA to lose its bid to oust Sterling in court?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I agree with Cuban.

There's nothing to agree with- he's just explaining his own feelings and perceptions. He said he wishes he didn't have them.

I agree with Cuban and Tobias

 

[Courtjester]

IMO I think the issue is going to come down to the NBA owns the franchise, but does it own the team and its assets? A lot of people like to use McDonalds as the example. If McDonalds pulls your franchise, you can't use the license anymore, but you don't physically lose your building if you bought it (and were not leasing it from McDonalds Corp. or whatever they are called). I think that is where the rub will be.

I agree the NBA tried to look tough and take a stand basically hoping this guy would play ball and sell. Well, he is an old senile, coot who has proven in the past he loves to lawyer up and fight. This case will be tied up in court and appeals for years and years IMO.

Edit: sorry for the hijack there....back to Cuban

 

[Clifford]

We're all ok with the white, bald, tattoo prejudice, right?

People are animals. Animals react with fear to other animals that appear dangerous and aggressive.

 

[TobiasFunke]

IMO I think the issue is going to come down to the NBA owns the franchise, but does it own the team and its assets? A lot of people like to use McDonalds as the example. If McDonalds pulls your franchise, you can't use the license anymore, but you don't physically lose your building if you bought it (and were not leasing it from McDonalds Corp. or whatever they are called). I think that is where the rub will be.

I agree the NBA tried to look tough and take a stand basically hoping this guy would play ball and sell. Well, he is an old senile, coot who has proven in the past he loves to lawyer up and fight. This case will be tied up in court and appeals for years and years IMO.

Edit: sorry for the hijack there....back to Cuban

That's a lot of wrong to pack into seven sentences. Kind of impressive, actually.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

IMO I think the issue is going to come down to the NBA owns the franchise, but does it own the team and its assets? A lot of people like to use McDonalds as the example. If McDonalds pulls your franchise, you can't use the license anymore, but you don't physically lose your building if you bought it (and were not leasing it from McDonalds Corp. or whatever they are called). I think that is where the rub will be.

I agree the NBA tried to look tough and take a stand basically hoping this guy would play ball and sell. Well, he is an old senile, coot who has proven in the past he loves to lawyer up and fight. This case will be tied up in court and appeals for years and years IMO.

Edit: sorry for the hijack there....back to Cuban

If only the NBA would have had a team of lawyers who could have seen this coming. Would have saved themselves a big mess! Amiright???

 

[Courtjester]

IMO I think the issue is going to come down to the NBA owns the franchise, but does it own the team and its assets? A lot of people like to use McDonalds as the example. If McDonalds pulls your franchise, you can't use the license anymore, but you don't physically lose your building if you bought it (and were not leasing it from McDonalds Corp. or whatever they are called). I think that is where the rub will be.

I agree the NBA tried to look tough and take a stand basically hoping this guy would play ball and sell. Well, he is an old senile, coot who has proven in the past he loves to lawyer up and fight. This case will be tied up in court and appeals for years and years IMO.

Edit: sorry for the hijack there....back to Cuban

That's a lot of wrong to pack into seven sentences. Kind of impressive, actually.

You know I really feel bad for whatever turn of events that have happened in your life these past few months. You once were a pretty cool and smart poster on here, but your work in a lot of threads lately is just smug and condescending. I hope things get better because there is a marked change in you and not for the better.

 

[Ghost Rider]

What kills me about Bomani Jones is that after blasting Cuban he called the tattoos the white guy has "jailhouse tattoos". He totally made Mark Cuban's point.

I think sitting next to Le Batard and his babbling papi five days a week has taken its toll on Jones. The twitter spat he got into with Cuban yesterday was hilarious, in that he got totally spanked by Cuban.

 

[St. Louis Bob]

Big bald white guys can be pretty scary. Particularly when they have a big scar on their forehead.

 

[TobiasFunke]

IMO I think the issue is going to come down to the NBA owns the franchise, but does it own the team and its assets? A lot of people like to use McDonalds as the example. If McDonalds pulls your franchise, you can't use the license anymore, but you don't physically lose your building if you bought it (and were not leasing it from McDonalds Corp. or whatever they are called). I think that is where the rub will be.

I agree the NBA tried to look tough and take a stand basically hoping this guy would play ball and sell. Well, he is an old senile, coot who has proven in the past he loves to lawyer up and fight. This case will be tied up in court and appeals for years and years IMO.

Edit: sorry for the hijack there....back to Cuban

That's a lot of wrong to pack into seven sentences. Kind of impressive, actually.

You know I really feel bad for whatever turn of events that have happened in your life these past few months. You once were a pretty cool and smart poster on here, but your work in a lot of threads lately is just smug and condescending. I hope things get better because there is a marked change in you and not for the better.

Oh good lord.

There were like three different threads on this subject in the forum in the last month. There's articles that are easy to locate and understand that explain the strength of the NBA's argument and the difficulty Sterling will have in fighting its action, assuming 22 of 29 owners vote to remove him (and they will). The same articles explain why it's very unlikely that prolonged legal proceedings would postpone the sale, again assuming the owners agree to force it. There's absolutely no difference between the franchise and "the team and its assets," it's a single thing that Sterling agreed to own under certain rules and now may be forced to sell if he's found to have violated those rules.

You chose to post uninformed, misleading content. I called out the post (not you personally, unlike your post in response) for that misleading, uninformed content. Seemed like a fair point for me to make. Sorry if I was too snarky in doing so, I'll try to be less so in response to your posts in the future.

ETA: I do appreciate your concern for my well-being. Nothing to worry about there.

 

[TobiasFunke]

courtjester, if you're interested in discussing the Sterling situation further there was big news that broke like 20 minutes ago. Discussing it in NBA thread.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Anyone who says they wouldn't be intimidated by any guy, black or white, in a hoodie, walking down the street in your direction late at night is lying. Cuban said nothing wrong whatsoever.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Anyone who says they wouldn't be intimidated by any guy, black or white, in a hoodie, walking down the street in your direction late at night is lying. Cuban said nothing wrong whatsoever.

You calling me a liar?

You should maybe consider the possibility that not everyone has the same life experiences as perspectives as a Dallas billionaire or a suburban Connecticut football enthusiast. Some of us pass people in hoodies all the time and nothing bad ever happens.

 

[jonessed]

You chose to post uninformed, misleading content. I called out the post (not you personally, unlike your post in response) for that misleading, uninformed content. Seemed like a fair point for me to make. Sorry if I was too snarky in doing so, I'll try to be less so in response to your posts in the future.

He prefaced his entire post with "IMO". How can any of it be interpreted as misleading?

That's a lot of wrong to pack into seven sentences. Kind of impressive, actually.

Clearly noone could possibly take that personally

Man you are a real piece of work lately.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Anyone who says they wouldn't be intimidated by any guy, black or white, in a hoodie, walking down the street in your direction late at night is lying. Cuban said nothing wrong whatsoever.

You calling me a liar?

You should maybe consider the possibility that not everyone has the same life experiences as perspectives as a Dallas billionaire or a suburban Connecticut football enthusiast. Some of us pass people in hoodies all the time and nothing bad ever happens.

I was just in New York in Times Square. Literally walked by hundreds of people in hoodies and didnt think twice about it.

Had I gotten lost and was down a side street with no people on it and a guy in a hoodie was approaching me, I would definitely be a lot more alert and depending on other factors perhaps quite intimidated.

I fail to see an issue with that.

On a side note I think hoodies are pretty stupid. What is the point of them? If it was a waterproof or windproof material, I get it. Sweatshirt material just makes no sense.

 

[17seconds]

On a side note I think hoodies are pretty stupid. What is the point of them?

To look intimidating

 

[cstu]

Anyone who says they wouldn't be intimidated by any guy, black or white, in a hoodie, walking down the street in your direction late at night is lying. Cuban said nothing wrong whatsoever.

You calling me a liar?

You should maybe consider the possibility that not everyone has the same life experiences as perspectives as a Dallas billionaire or a suburban Connecticut football enthusiast. Some of us pass people in hoodies all the time and nothing bad ever happens.

Or lacking common sense.

 

[Fennis]

On a side note I think hoodies are pretty stupid. What is the point of them?

To look intimidating

http://www.hoodieblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/1346696885540.jpg

 

[17seconds]

On a side note I think hoodies are pretty stupid. What is the point of them?

To look intimidating

http://www.hoodieblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/1346696885540.jpg

I can't talk to girls that hot. Too intimidating

 

[D_House]

This is one of those things to file away for the next time somebody says that we need to have a national conversation about race. You don't have to be Admiral Ackbar to see that this is always a trap.

Strange that the story broke on the same day that someone actually did try to engage the country in a serious conversation about race (the Coates piece in the Atlantic). Not a surprise which is getting more attention.

Yeah, I read that one (it would be more accurate to say that I read some of it and skimmed a lot of it). Obviously reparations aren't happening but it was a good piece otherwise.

My first reaction after reading it was that it was a shame that it had such a provocative title that might scare off people from reading something so worthwhile. But maybe that will get it more attention then it would get otherwise?

Funny that we don't even have a thread about it here. I thought about starting one but I figured my political leanings might make people less inclined to read it or something, so I left it to someone else.

Here's the link if anyone's curious (and has an hour or so to spare)

Really needs its own thread.

 

[IC FBGCav]

Going to post about when I a got a gun pulled on me yes by teens in hoodies and they are were not in hoodies.

 

[drummer]

I got robbed at gunpoint by a black dude wearing a hoodie years ago in front of Duboce Park in SF. You guys act like that never happens.

 

[IC FBGCav]

If was about 1995. I was heading back to my our frat house with 3 other guys. The house in on a main street, the guys freshman dorm(women's dorm is across from the county jail) is about on the beginning of the block but it is a really long block and we are not on campus. This is Erie, PA. The area is not a great area, 6th St is okay, 5th, 4th and 3rd.....well you don't really want to walk there alone that late at night, not that is really bad but not really good either.

It has to be about 1 or 2am. If you are looking at the left side of your screen as the street, our house is on the side of the keyboard and we are walking our that side. We are a part by 100 feet or so. Two guys walking ahead and me and Brad dragging behind. Right across the street from our house is a huge church and to the left of the church a giant parking lot. There was some where around 10 teens, many looking to young to be out at that time walking through that parking lot.

I see them but what I notice most is when they are coming out of the parking lot the cross the street to our side. Once they pass the two in front of us, the run down the driveway leaving me and Brad high and dry. Then a glass bottle lands next to me. I picked it up and asked who the F threw it (probably not the best move). Then it broke lose. One of them pulled a his gun and start yelling "I got a gat MF'ers what are you going to do" (Brad is a normal sized guy who before MMA would destroy most people and had no fear). During this time we never stopped walking, but how it ended was with Brad in front of the guy with the gun saying "shoot me, shoot me punk".........we finished walking down the driveway, then left, then the worst part happened.......

 

[IC FBGCav]

The worst part is we get in the house and two ahead of us let people know there might be trouble. So me and Brad look at each other and are really just happy to be safe.........we tell the small group that is at the back door what happened............then one ignorant MFer goes and the back deck and yells out FU N words...........When we heard it, everyone freaked.......WTF YOU IDIOT..........yes they came back.

 

[rascal]

The problem is clearly hoodies. Hoodies, like hijabs and capirotes, often result in fear and irrational conclusions.

 

[IC FBGCav]

And yes we had black people in our frat just not there, and one was Manute Bol cousin straight from Africa. People brought down shotgun's..........all that happened in the end is they threw a brick through the back window...........and it didn't hit idiot, hit Brad in the head.

 

[IC FBGCav]

You have to encompass, everything.......moral of the story, crossing the street won't help. This is another messed up story......a block away from the last one. Derek always liked to fight when he was drunk, one night he saw a guy beating but another guy, he was sober and went to do good and break it up, he did not know either person in the fight. He has a scar ear to ear from where he got cut. No joke. I didn't see the incident but my gf lived above him and when he got back from the hospital I held the bandage on his face until the plastic surgeon was in the next day. He got cut 3 times. Two were small and just missed his neck arteries. The long one was deep but not vital. He was so bad they did not want to stitch it in the er for scar reasons.

 

[Sand]

I honestly think this is Cuban's way of softening the media before voting to NOT remove Sterling.

I don't think there is any doubt this is going to happen.

But I also think there is no way Sterling is out regardless of any voting. The NBA massively overstepped their bounds both with the fine and this vote (i.e. it had no power to do what it has done - the max fine should have been 1M and there is no power to call this vote). I expect the NBA to be eating some legal crow here in not too long on this.

What kind of odds would you give me on any of this? Cuban's vote? The NBA to lose its bid to oust Sterling in court?

Actually I figured that Sterling wouldn't fold up like a tent. But it appears he has signed the team over to his wife to sell it. Very surprising.

 

[parasaurolophus]

Would just like to add hollywood has used hoods for years and years to either demonstrate people not wanting to be recognized or people up to no good.

Best argument against a hoodie.