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Footballguy
Anyone else looking forward to bumping this tomorrow night? I can see the optimism turning to rage quickly. I'm rooting for my boy Jed to "steal" ingrams "earned" goalline TD.
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NorrisB
Footballguy
Jacobs is starting..Ingram is behind Sproles, Pierre and Jed Collins
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karmarooster
Footballguy
whether or not ingram produces fantasy points is anyone's guess, and in all likelihood it will be modest, but he could get 50 yards or so and a TD. Regardless, your haterade is on full display. I just don't get why people love to watch talented football players "fail" in any given fantasy week. Why, so that you can be "right?" Does that up your sense of self worth if you say Ingram will suck, and it turns out he does? Not saying Ingram won't drop another turd - there's clearly a chance that he could just as he's done in the past - but thanks for offering nothing of value. Other players in this category of low-end RB3 options could also easily fail, yet I don't see you being so hopeful that, oh, CJ Spiller sucks again. Hate is a weird thing. I hope it makes you happy.
karmarooster
Footballguy
This is just nit picking, but in what way is he behind either Pierre or Jed? Thomas has only 10 or more carries in a game once - 10 - while Ingram has had double digit carries in 5 games. Thomas and Ingram have 4 TDs each while Jed has 3. Is Ingram clearly in a muddled picture where he's at best one option among 3 or 4? Sure. But he's not clearly "behind" any of the RBs except for Sproles, who isn't used in a similar fashion anyways.
packersfan
Footballguy
Would that be the same Jed Collins who got one touch last week compared to Ingram's 15? Hyperbole isn't going to help your case here so let's stick to the facts. Jacobs is currently starting but Bradshaw could return tomorrow which means Jacobs could go back to being the No. 2 RB. He'll share touches regardless if Bradshaw returns. Furthermore, here are the comparisons between Jacobs and Ingram in the last five games (PPR leagues):Ingram - 9.9 points per game, high of 16.4 points, low of 1.9 pointsJacobs - 8.6 points per game, high of 18 points, low of 1.7 points.In the last five games, Ingram has topped nine points four times. The only game he didn't was his first one back from injury when he was barely used. In that same span of games, Jacobs has topped nine points twice and two times has gotten fewer than five points.Ingram has been competing with two other RBs for touches (three if we want to include Jed Collins as you want us to do) and he's still outproducing Jacobs, who only competes with one other RB for touches on a weekly basis.Anything can happen in a game as we all know but from a production and consistency standpoint, there's no factual data which suggests Jacobs is the superior fantasy play over Ingram.
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karmarooster
Footballguy
The shark pool is full of vitriol, more so with Ingram and Tebow than any others.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
that's just typical reaction when a guy gets hyped.expectations are set high, and if a guy doesn't meet expectations it's seen as a fail.the spiller vitriol would've been right after he was drafted --- expectations have been lowered.
CalBear
Footballguy
With Vereen out, there wasn't much choice. I was exactly right about Deangelo (2 Newton rushing TDs, one Stewart rushing TD, all red zone), and nobody else did anything. So it's Ingram or P.Thomas and I'm going with the rookie.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
This IS the week!
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
just sealed the win with that TD.Thanks!sorry to here your playoff's will end in the first roundI'm starting him down the stretch run and into the playoffs.glad I held on and waited.
packersfan
Footballguy
How's that working out for you so far?
nysportsfan
Footballguy
Took about 13 weeks but it sure looks like he is shaping up to be the man down the stretch.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
Ingram with 7 carries right now
Thomas and Sproles each have 1.
Maybe Payton has seen the light?
Thomas and Sproles each have 1.
Maybe Payton has seen the light?
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
only the sharks and the hawks held on to this guy for the homestretch.
nysportsfan
Footballguy
Hope you're right, I just didn't start the right starting rb this game so far
packersfan
Footballguy
There was no way I was gonna drop him. It was obvious watching him all season that at worst he was a rock-solid RB3. If his role grew at all, his upside would increase as well. He was the ideal home-run pick to hang onto given his talent and the Saints' offensive potential.
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
Guy needs to get a TD to be of RB3 value - was used early on but his role diminished during the game.
shader
Footballguy
He got 16 carries. The Saints are going for the passing record. It's good that he seems to get the majority of the carries now, but he still gets alot of his carries in garbage time when teams know he's getting the ball. Detroit did a good job of snuffing him out.The first run of the game was the most impressive, and the td run was great too.Ingram is going to pull the Ray Rice/Lesean McCoy trick and be the superstar that had the rough rookie season. Trade for him while you still can. But it's probably not going to happen this year, in any large way. Just too much passing for this team.
Rick James
Footballguy
Does Ingram look good on that toss sweep or what?
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
3.3 YPC and ya'all is giddy. Every player on my roster but one (Forte) had more fantasy points than this turd.
But if it floats your boat then enjoy.
But if it floats your boat then enjoy.
11 fantasy points and a low YPC from running out the clock. strong game again, averaging 14 points last two weeks
Football Jones
Footballguy
It's coming, boys. It may not be this season, but Ingram is going to be a stud.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Agree, The biggest hurdle to Ingram right now is not his playing ability (He was a beast last night) The biggest hurdle is that the Saints want the ball in Drew Brees hands and are very pass happy at the moment. I think the cold weather games coming up will force the Saints hand however.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
Ingram and McCoy/rice comparisons. Owning a player really taints ones view. I don't see it AT ALL. They are not similiar at all. I would try and trade my entire draft plus Ingram and more for the rights to Trent Richardson. Ingram is Kevan Barlow II.
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
MS have you watched Ingram play? Full disclosure I drafted him early in a redraft but I have no vested interest in him for dynasty but its obvious in the right system he's at least a RB2 going forward. Most of his carries this year have been to chew out the clock or up the gut he's simply not being given the chance to do much.With the one toss sweep against the giants he took it 30+ yards to the house.He also had a nice 14 yard TD run this week. He's not going to win you a fantasy championship but he is a nice flex play week-to-week.
packersfan
Footballguy
Ingram has now scored in five of his last seven healthy games. One of the games he didn't score he topped 90 yards rushing. He has topped nine points in six of his last eight games in PPR leagues and he's topped 11 points in five of his last eight games. Is he putting up unbelievable numbers? Of course not. But the idea that he's a turd is nothing short of foolish. He's been a rock-solid RB3 for two months now and in a season when so many RBs are dropping like flies, the ability to plug someone into your lineup and be assured of around 10 points or so has a lot of value in my opinion.Here are some of the guys Ingram outscored this week (I doubt he ends up outscoring MJD or Mathews tonight but we'll see):Frank GoreMichael BushCedric BensonAhmad BradshawSteven Jackson
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
In my league (standard PPR scoring) Ingram is RB #37, 56 WRS have more points, 20 TEs have more points. LeSean McCoy and Ray Rice (who were referenced earlier) have 3x more points - 273 and 272 to Ingrams 90.
I can see starting this guy at a flex spot if you have no other options but he wouldn't work on any of my teams.
I can see starting this guy at a flex spot if you have no other options but he wouldn't work on any of my teams.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
Travis Beckum, Kyle Williams, Andre Roberts, Donald Driver, etc, etc, etc.... also outscored those guys. Should I drop Gore for any of those guys???
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
kyle williams is available in your league?
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Luke Skywalker
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Traded and stashed Ingram a few weeks back in a straight up trade for Starks. Starting to pay dividends. Lost FJax and Charles to IR, took Turner out of my lineup with his injury. Ingram filled in and I didn't miss a beat.
I think he's going to continue to be a good play down the stretch, although due to his role he's still a better "real life" player than fantasy points compiler.
I think he's going to continue to be a good play down the stretch, although due to his role he's still a better "real life" player than fantasy points compiler.
plug and play option right now. he looking strong and starting to take over more of a share this backfield. if not for the injury this season would have played out exactly like lots were expecting a slow start (RB3) but as the year goes on he gets more and more carries and used to the game and becomes a strong RB2 option. it's just 3 weeks delayed due to the ankle injury so we're only getting 5-6 weeks of strong RB2 instead of 8-9 like we thought
packersfan
Footballguy
As always, it comes down to your choices. In Ingram's last five healthy games (I'm tossing out the Atlanta game because he was just coming back from injury and was barely used) he's averaged 11.84 points in PPR leagues. That would make him RB23 for the season and ahead of RBs such as McGahee, Mendenhall, Benson, Greene and Blount.
Once again I will emphasize that I'm not saying Ingram is putting up spectacular numbers because he clearly isn't. So it makes no sense to bring in players like McCoy or Rice, who are both clearly fantasy studs. But Ingram has been extremely consistent when healthy for nearly two months now. Maybe 10-11 points won't blow the wind up your skirt but again when you consider all of the volatility at the RB position that kind of stability and consistency has value in my opinion.
Take it all into account and I have no problems at all starting Ingram as my RB3 each week. I do so with the confidence that he'll give me no worse than solid production in that role and the potential is always there that he could deliver an even bigger game, as he did in Week 12.
Once again I will emphasize that I'm not saying Ingram is putting up spectacular numbers because he clearly isn't. So it makes no sense to bring in players like McCoy or Rice, who are both clearly fantasy studs. But Ingram has been extremely consistent when healthy for nearly two months now. Maybe 10-11 points won't blow the wind up your skirt but again when you consider all of the volatility at the RB position that kind of stability and consistency has value in my opinion.
Take it all into account and I have no problems at all starting Ingram as my RB3 each week. I do so with the confidence that he'll give me no worse than solid production in that role and the potential is always there that he could deliver an even bigger game, as he did in Week 12.
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packersfan
Footballguy
Of course. That should be obvious.Travis Beckum, Kyle Williams, Andre Roberts, Donald Driver, etc, etc, etc.... also outscored those guys. Should I drop Gore for any of those guys???
Well, there's your problem. When you move up from the minors, you'll understand.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Cool.If that's the case, why do you keep posting in here?
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Dumb story bro. Trent Richardson is Curtis Enis 2.0.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
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Short Corner
Footballguy
shader
Footballguy
I don't think he is anything at all like McCoy and Rice in terms of playing style.My point was that I think he'll have similar 2nd season explosions after disappointing rookie years.
packersfan
Footballguy
Thanks. It was intentional so I'm glad you noticed. The point is Ingram's not the bum he's often portrayed as being in this thread. For over a month now he's performed at a low-end RB2 level (or a solid RB3 level as I've been saying). He's clearly been startable for some time now.Sweet cherry pick!
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
He's not a bum, he's a turd. HTH
Thanks. It was intentional so I'm glad you noticed. The point is Ingram's not the bum he's often portrayed as being in this thread. For over a month now he's performed at a low-end RB2 level (or a solid RB3 level as I've been saying). He's clearly been startable for some time now.
karmarooster
Footballguy
Didn't end up starting Ingram over Gerhart or Schilens, but man I wish I had just for you. Your continuing involvement regarding Ingram is supremely annoying, clearly don't own him in any league, and yet you continue to post in this thread. It seems as though you are motivated from some perverse ill-will towards the Saints 1st-round pick, and your irritatingly condescending attitude is reminiscent of the idol of your bromance. The fact is, Ingram is owned in every league by SOMEONE, so it's worthwhile to consider when he's worth a start at flex. Might be worth another start next week against the Titans, but will then be locked to my bench against the Vikings and Falcons for the playoffs.
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cobalt_27
Footballguy
Multiple Scores has finally crossed over into LHUCKS territory. Trying to make the thread about him and seeing how many times he can say "turd."
Seems fine to argue logically about what a disappointment Ingram has been and how he knew it all along with his superior talent evaluation skills. It's another thing to reinforce every day what a doosh-bag you are in doing so.
Seems fine to argue logically about what a disappointment Ingram has been and how he knew it all along with his superior talent evaluation skills. It's another thing to reinforce every day what a doosh-bag you are in doing so.
Short Corner
Footballguy
You do realize that 4 of the 5 guys you mention outperform him given the same criteria, right? Helu, Bushx2, KSmith, Morris, Stewart, etc.Thanks. It was intentional so I'm glad you noticed. The point is Ingram's not the bum he's often portrayed as being in this thread. For over a month now he's performed at a low-end RB2 level (or a solid RB3 level as I've been saying). He's clearly been startable for some time now.
packersfan
Footballguy
Again, my point wasn't to say where Ingram should be ranked. My point was he's been putting up decent production for a good period of time. I'm not saying you should start Ingram over McGahee, Gore or Mendenhall. What I am saying is his production isn't near as bad as some in this forum make it out to be. He's been very viable as a RB3 for nearly two months now.You do realize that 4 of the 5 guys you mention outperform him given the same criteria, right? Helu, Bushx2, KSmith, Morris, Stewart, etc.Thanks. It was intentional so I'm glad you noticed. The point is Ingram's not the bum he's often portrayed as being in this thread. For over a month now he's performed at a low-end RB2 level (or a solid RB3 level as I've been saying). He's clearly been startable for some time now.
karmarooster
Footballguy
LHUCKS may be equally misguided, but he's nowhere near as malicious.
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Multiple Scores
Footballguy
Malicious?
I think i'm one of the few in this thread with a grip on reality and not blinded by owning this turd. Sproles 6.8 ypcThomas 5.0 ypcIngram 3.9 ypc3.9 is a horrible ypc, and when you look at what other backs on the same team with the same line are putting up it's downright awful. I'm grounded in reality, the guy is not that good. This thread started off saying he's headed straight to the HOF, next it was a game of chicken to cherry pick a half way descent week, now he has a half way descent week, still under 4ypc and he's going to be Ray Rice? Sorry if you think i'm malicious, I really think i'm just grounded in reality and Ingram owners can't deal with reality.
