Mark Ingram (3 Viewers)

[Andrew74]

I think buy low might be past based on the interest bubbling up for this guy in my league.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

The Times-Picayune expects Mark Ingram and Pierre Thomas to split the workload evenly in base packages.

In theory, it's a chance for Ingram to shed bust whispers. He's finally sustained health for an entire offseason, Chris Ivory isn't lurking and he's comfortable as a three-year veteran. However, the Saints don't execute too many base runs, instead using Thomas and Darren Sproles as satellite backs. Last year, the three-headed monster of Ingram, Thomas and Ivory combined for just 301 carries. Expecting the Saints to suddenly use Ingram in his natural pounding role requires a leap of faith. Anything more than 160 carries for either Thomas or Ingram would be a surprise.

Related: Pierre Thomas

Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune

 

[karmarooster]

"So you're saying there's a chance??"

I understand that the Saints are not a running offense, but if Ingram had 156 carries last year, and he's healthier this year, it don't think it should be a 'surprise' if he picks up 4 of the 40 carries that Ivory had last year.

If Thomas, OTOH, suddenly jumped above 160 I would be surprised - it's clear he's ~100-150 back in NO over the years in various RB groups. 105 and 110 carries for PT the last two years (although the same logic that he should get some of Ivory's carries applies to him too).

Based on past usage and expected future increase - I'd pencil in Ingram for ~175 carries + 15 receptions, and PT for ~125 carries + 40 receptions.

 

[Faust]

from KFFL.com:

Saints | Mark Ingram improved in second half of seasonNew Orleans Saints RB Mark Ingram rushed for 178 yards and one touchdown in the first eight games of the 2012 season but rushed for 424 yards and four touchdowns in the second half of the season.

2013-05-16 16:09:49 | Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune - Mike Triplett

 

[shader]

Can someone kill this thread yet? OP obviously had no clue.

 

[JetMaxx]

I still can't believe I picked this bum over AJ Green in my dynasty.

 

[cstu]

He'll be a free agent in 2015 so he's got that going for him.

 

[matttyl]

I still can't believe I picked this bum over AJ Green in my dynasty.

You and me both! Traded a pair of 2012 1sts to get the #1 overall in 2011 and took him. Would have had a shot of one of RG3, Luck, T Rich or Martin.

 

[RBM]

Too bad for Ingram he isn't the one who got dealt.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Saints coach Sean Payton said Thursday he expects Mark Ingram to "be a big part of what we do running the football" in 2013.
During his year away on a BountyGate suspension, Payton was discouraged by the Saints' lack of commitment to the running game. He's vowed to change that, which makes Ingram a somewhat interesting mid-round fantasy pick. "I know he is anxious, ... healthy, and probably I would say going into his third year as healthy and as good of shape as he has been," Payton said of Ingram. Ingram's fantasy outlook is also helped by the departure of Chris Ivory.


Source: Profootballtalk on NBC Sports

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Wow, there were some embarrassing posts in this thread.

 

[Shutout]

Wow, there were some embarrassing posts in this thread.

No kidding. I think some things should be left unsaid.

Its a good reminder of how things change quickly.

 

[johnadams]

Rotoworld:

Saints coach Sean Payton said Thursday he expects Mark Ingram to "be a big part of what we do running the football" in 2013.
During his year away on a BountyGate suspension, Payton was discouraged by the Saints' lack of commitment to the running game. He's vowed to change that, which makes Ingram a somewhat interesting mid-round fantasy pick. "I know he is anxious, ... healthy, and probably I would say going into his third year as healthy and as good of shape as he has been," Payton said of Ingram. Ingram's fantasy outlook is also helped by the departure of Chris Ivory.


Source: Profootballtalk on NBC Sports

This makes a lot more sense than some of the other speculation that I've seen.

 

[cstu]

Rotoworld:

Saints coach Sean Payton said Thursday he expects Mark Ingram to "be a big part of what we do running the football" in 2013.
During his year away on a BountyGate suspension, Payton was discouraged by the Saints' lack of commitment to the running game. He's vowed to change that, which makes Ingram a somewhat interesting mid-round fantasy pick. "I know he is anxious, ... healthy, and probably I would say going into his third year as healthy and as good of shape as he has been," Payton said of Ingram. Ingram's fantasy outlook is also helped by the departure of Chris Ivory.


Source: Profootballtalk on NBC Sports

This makes a lot more sense than some of the other speculation that I've seen.

I expect him to play a lot but he's not going to be someone you want to start (at least in PPR) without some injuries.

 

[JFS171]

Curious if anyone has seen him dealt, and if so what's the going rate?

Just seems to me like the kid had talent coming out, and while he was never a burner or possessing elite measurables, the production was there in college, and the NFL obviously valued him similarly to make him a 1st round pick.

It's been a rough 2 years, but there's still talent, and perhaps Payton will come back and actually give the kid the rock. We've seen the flashes of that talent on some of his runs late last year.

I'm just wondering how low the rate goes...

 

[resko99]

Curious if anyone has seen him dealt, and if so what's the going rate?

Just seems to me like the kid had talent coming out, and while he was never a burner or possessing elite measurables, the production was there in college, and the NFL obviously valued him similarly to make him a 1st round pick.

It's been a rough 2 years, but there's still talent, and perhaps Payton will come back and actually give the kid the rock. We've seen the flashes of that talent on some of his runs late last year.

I'm just wondering how low the rate goes...

Ingram owner offered him to me for Zac Stacy about a month ago, after our rookie draft. I quickly accepted. Don't think could get Ingram for that little now.

 

[Faust]

Mark Ingram busts Jonathan Vilma's nose during practice

Jennifer Hale

As the Saints ramp up the intensity during training camp practices, a few battle scars are beginning to show.

Linebacker Curtis Lofton took Tuesday off with a sore back, and his comrade Jonathan Vilma is sporting stitches on the bridge of his nose after a head on collision Monday with one of the Black and Gold's running backs.

"This actually came from Mark Ingram on 9-on-7," Vilma said, explaining why he was limited during Tuesday's practice.
Number 22 was not immediately aware of the damage he caused to Vilma's face.

"I didn't know, but I saw Jed (Collins) had some blood on his helmet and he was like 'Who's it coming from!?'" says Ingram. "Then I saw Vilma looking like Avatar with a strip on his nose, so I guess I put a couple stitches in him, but it was just a good collision. He needs to get his helmet fitted better," smiled Ingram.

Perhaps the Saints linebacker corps needs to take precautions when going against Ingram.

Victor Butler tore his ACL earlier this summer in OTA's after he collided with Ingram.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Ingram's ADP is 93. Pierre's ADP is 135. Give me the PT Cruiser every day of the week. His YPC over the last 2 year is nearly 1 yard more than Ingram (4.8 vs 3.9).

 

[Kenny Powers]

from KFFL.com:

Saints | Mark Ingram improved in second half of seasonNew Orleans Saints RB Mark Ingram rushed for 178 yards and one touchdown in the first eight games of the 2012 season but rushed for 424 yards and four touchdowns in the second half of the season.

2013-05-16 16:09:49 | Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune - Mike Triplett

I like how KFFL fails to mention in the first 8 games Ingram had 47 carries while in the last 8 games he had 109 carries.

 

[RBM]

What an absolute shame he won't get a 300 carry season in his prime.

http://www.neworleanssaints.com/news-and-events/article-deshazier/John-DeShazier-Sleaker-stronger-Mark-Ingram-will-be-on-display-in-Black-and-Gold-Scrimmage/99c793bb-d010-411e-abe7-fbcdd5e2394d

 

[Keith Lewis]

This turd looks a bit shiny at a discount.

 

[RBM]

This turd looks a bit shiny at a discount.

I have no doubt that kid in your avatar is directing that finger at you.

 

[JustinHawkins]

It is interesting to hear him say the coaches plan to "showcase/feature" him this year. I have always thought he was the kind of RB that really needed more carries to get in his groove. He could end up a nice sleeper this year....

 

[Keith Lewis]

This turd looks a bit shiny at a discount.

I have no doubt that kid in your avatar is directing that finger at you.

Aww..

For the sensitive ones I will rephrase. "Mark Ingram feels like a nice value play this year"..

 

[JFS171]

What an absolute shame he won't get a 300 carry season in his prime.

http://www.neworleanssaints.com/news-and-events/article-deshazier/John-DeShazier-Sleaker-stronger-Mark-Ingram-will-be-on-display-in-Black-and-Gold-Scrimmage/99c793bb-d010-411e-abe7-fbcdd5e2394d

How sad is it that professional franchises let gross misspellings like "sleaker" headline articles?

 

[eefflrat]

What an absolute shame he won't get a 300 carry season in his prime.

http://www.neworleanssaints.com/news-and-events/article-deshazier/John-DeShazier-Sleaker-stronger-Mark-Ingram-will-be-on-display-in-Black-and-Gold-Scrimmage/99c793bb-d010-411e-abe7-fbcdd5e2394d

How sad is it that professional franchises let gross misspellings like "sleaker" headline articles?

any updates on that scrimmage?

 

[Ron_Mexico]

from KFFL.com:

Saints | Mark Ingram improved in second half of seasonNew Orleans Saints RB Mark Ingram rushed for 178 yards and one touchdown in the first eight games of the 2012 season but rushed for 424 yards and four touchdowns in the second half of the season.

2013-05-16 16:09:49 | Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune - Mike Triplett

I like how KFFL fails to mention in the first 8 games Ingram had 47 carries while in the last 8 games he had 109 carries.

 

[Biabreakable]

from KFFL.com:

Saints | Mark Ingram improved in second half of seasonNew Orleans Saints RB Mark Ingram rushed for 178 yards and one touchdown in the first eight games of the 2012 season but rushed for 424 yards and four touchdowns in the second half of the season.

2013-05-16 16:09:49 | Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune - Mike Triplett

I like how KFFL fails to mention in the first 8 games Ingram had 47 carries while in the last 8 games he had 109 carries.

It only took a little bit over twice the number of carries for him to improve his ypc by .14 yards

They did double his carries over that time frame, which is a good thing if that workload continues.

 

[Kenny Powers]

from KFFL.com:

Saints | Mark Ingram improved in second half of seasonNew Orleans Saints RB Mark Ingram rushed for 178 yards and one touchdown in the first eight games of the 2012 season but rushed for 424 yards and four touchdowns in the second half of the season.

2013-05-16 16:09:49 | Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune - Mike Triplett

I like how KFFL fails to mention in the first 8 games Ingram had 47 carries while in the last 8 games he had 109 carries.

It only took a little bit over twice the number of carries for him to improve his ypc by .14 yards

They did double his carries over that time frame, which is a good thing if that workload continues.

While getting more carries is a good thing, I find that YPC to be negligible. Also, in those last 8 games Sproles missed 3 games, Pierre 1 game (all different weeks), and 2 of those games when Sproles was out Ivory had much better numbers than Ingram.

Him getting more carries is a good thing, Im just not buying that he gets >50 carries over Pierre, and Sproles snaps/touches limits his ceiling to 190-200 carries. That said, I think he is as safe as any of the RBs going around him and is decent value because of that, but barring an injury to Sproles or Pierre, I dont think he ends up a RB2.

Pierre has had better year end stats the last 2 years. Im not expecting that to happen again, but Pierre is also going 40+ picks later at RB49. That seems like an even better value for someone who has finished RB27 and RB33 the last 2 years.

 

[Phenix]

I think buy low might be past based on the interest bubbling up for this guy in my league.

Yeah, I sold him and actually wish I didnt. I didnt lose in the deal, just wish I would of kept him now seeing his potential.

Moral of the story, means he will blow up. Go get in all leagues, lol.

 

[Biabreakable]

from KFFL.com:

Saints | Mark Ingram improved in second half of seasonNew Orleans Saints RB Mark Ingram rushed for 178 yards and one touchdown in the first eight games of the 2012 season but rushed for 424 yards and four touchdowns in the second half of the season.

2013-05-16 16:09:49 | Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune - Mike Triplett

I like how KFFL fails to mention in the first 8 games Ingram had 47 carries while in the last 8 games he had 109 carries.

It only took a little bit over twice the number of carries for him to improve his ypc by .14 yards

They did double his carries over that time frame, which is a good thing if that workload continues.

While getting more carries is a good thing, I find that YPC to be negligible. Also, in those last 8 games Sproles missed 3 games, Pierre 1 game (all different weeks), and 2 of those games when Sproles was out Ivory had much better numbers than Ingram.

Him getting more carries is a good thing, Im just not buying that he gets >50 carries over Pierre, and Sproles snaps/touches limits his ceiling to 190-200 carries. That said, I think he is as safe as any of the RBs going around him and is decent value because of that, but barring an injury to Sproles or Pierre, I dont think he ends up a RB2.

Pierre has had better year end stats the last 2 years. Im not expecting that to happen again, but Pierre is also going 40+ picks later at RB49. That seems like an even better value for someone who has finished RB27 and RB33 the last 2 years.

Yeah I only posted that he gained .14 ypc for comedic purposes only. Negligible is a good word for that.

I really don't have an opinion about this. Thanks for the info on the time missed corresponding with the increase in his carries. I still consider this backfield an avoid. The Saints have lost multiple good offensive linemen the past 2 years and Brees is the straw that stirs this drink.

 

[GeeYouknit]

With my history, I still own him, therefore he won't blow up. I took him at #4 in our rookie draft that year over Cam, but still not as bad as the guy taking Daniel Thomas at #2 ha.

I really hope he actually does something this year so I can finally flip him for something worth while. Tried to get Finley straight up, no deal. I try to include him as a throw in for bigger trades and honestly it just chases people away from accepting. Sick of this guy.

 

[az_prof]

from KFFL.com:

Saints | Mark Ingram improved in second half of seasonNew Orleans Saints RB Mark Ingram rushed for 178 yards and one touchdown in the first eight games of the 2012 season but rushed for 424 yards and four touchdowns in the second half of the season.

2013-05-16 16:09:49 | Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune - Mike Triplett

I like how KFFL fails to mention in the first 8 games Ingram had 47 carries while in the last 8 games he had 109 carries.

It only took a little bit over twice the number of carries for him to improve his ypc by .14 yards

They did double his carries over that time frame, which is a good thing if that workload continues.

While getting more carries is a good thing, I find that YPC to be negligible. Also, in those last 8 games Sproles missed 3 games, Pierre 1 game (all different weeks), and 2 of those games when Sproles was out Ivory had much better numbers than Ingram.

Him getting more carries is a good thing, Im just not buying that he gets >50 carries over Pierre, and Sproles snaps/touches limits his ceiling to 190-200 carries. That said, I think he is as safe as any of the RBs going around him and is decent value because of that, but barring an injury to Sproles or Pierre, I dont think he ends up a RB2.

Pierre has had better year end stats the last 2 years. Im not expecting that to happen again, but Pierre is also going 40+ picks later at RB49. That seems like an even better value for someone who has finished RB27 and RB33 the last 2 years.

I don't hold out much hope for Ingram because RBs usually show something in their first two seasons, but he does have pedigree, so if he gets an opportunity there is a possibility he will be worth something. How old are Thomas and Sproles? Could age begin to be a factor for them?

 

[Yitbos69]

from KFFL.com:

Saints | Mark Ingram improved in second half of season

New Orleans Saints RB Mark Ingram rushed for 178 yards and one touchdown in the first eight games of the 2012 season but rushed for 424 yards and four touchdowns in the second half of the season.

2013-05-16 16:09:49 | Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune - Mike Triplett

I like how KFFL fails to mention in the first 8 games Ingram had 47 carries while in the last 8 games he had 109 carries.

It only took a little bit over twice the number of carries for him to improve his ypc by .14 yards

They did double his carries over that time frame, which is a good thing if that workload continues.

While getting more carries is a good thing, I find that YPC to be negligible. Also, in those last 8 games Sproles missed 3 games, Pierre 1 game (all different weeks), and 2 of those games when Sproles was out Ivory had much better numbers than Ingram.

Him getting more carries is a good thing, Im just not buying that he gets >50 carries over Pierre, and Sproles snaps/touches limits his ceiling to 190-200 carries. That said, I think he is as safe as any of the RBs going around him and is decent value because of that, but barring an injury to Sproles or Pierre, I dont think he ends up a RB2.

Pierre has had better year end stats the last 2 years. Im not expecting that to happen again, but Pierre is also going 40+ picks later at RB49. That seems like an even better value for someone who has finished RB27 and RB33 the last 2 years.

I don't hold out much hope for Ingram because RBs usually show something in their first two seasons, but he does have pedigree, so if he gets an opportunity there is a possibility he will be worth something. How old are Thomas and Sproles? Could age begin to be a factor for them?

Spiller comes to mind as a player that was not very good his 1st two seasons and came on strong in his 3rd.....there are other examples I am sure

 

[DiStefano]

from KFFL.com:

Saints | Mark Ingram improved in second half of season

New Orleans Saints RB Mark Ingram rushed for 178 yards and one touchdown in the first eight games of the 2012 season but rushed for 424 yards and four touchdowns in the second half of the season.

2013-05-16 16:09:49 | Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune - Mike Triplett

I like how KFFL fails to mention in the first 8 games Ingram had 47 carries while in the last 8 games he had 109 carries.

It only took a little bit over twice the number of carries for him to improve his ypc by .14 yards

They did double his carries over that time frame, which is a good thing if that workload continues.

While getting more carries is a good thing, I find that YPC to be negligible. Also, in those last 8 games Sproles missed 3 games, Pierre 1 game (all different weeks), and 2 of those games when Sproles was out Ivory had much better numbers than Ingram.

Him getting more carries is a good thing, Im just not buying that he gets >50 carries over Pierre, and Sproles snaps/touches limits his ceiling to 190-200 carries. That said, I think he is as safe as any of the RBs going around him and is decent value because of that, but barring an injury to Sproles or Pierre, I dont think he ends up a RB2.

Pierre has had better year end stats the last 2 years. Im not expecting that to happen again, but Pierre is also going 40+ picks later at RB49. That seems like an even better value for someone who has finished RB27 and RB33 the last 2 years.

I don't hold out much hope for Ingram because RBs usually show something in their first two seasons, but he does have pedigree, so if he gets an opportunity there is a possibility he will be worth something. How old are Thomas and Sproles? Could age begin to be a factor for them?

Spiller comes to mind as a player that was not very good his 1st two seasons and came on strong in his 3rd.....there are other examples I am sure

Yes, but Spiller is a runner, rather than a lumbering ox.

 

[GroveDiesel]

from KFFL.com:

Saints | Mark Ingram improved in second half of season

New Orleans Saints RB Mark Ingram rushed for 178 yards and one touchdown in the first eight games of the 2012 season but rushed for 424 yards and four touchdowns in the second half of the season.

2013-05-16 16:09:49 | Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune - Mike Triplett

I like how KFFL fails to mention in the first 8 games Ingram had 47 carries while in the last 8 games he had 109 carries.

It only took a little bit over twice the number of carries for him to improve his ypc by .14 yards

They did double his carries over that time frame, which is a good thing if that workload continues.

While getting more carries is a good thing, I find that YPC to be negligible. Also, in those last 8 games Sproles missed 3 games, Pierre 1 game (all different weeks), and 2 of those games when Sproles was out Ivory had much better numbers than Ingram.

Him getting more carries is a good thing, Im just not buying that he gets >50 carries over Pierre, and Sproles snaps/touches limits his ceiling to 190-200 carries. That said, I think he is as safe as any of the RBs going around him and is decent value because of that, but barring an injury to Sproles or Pierre, I dont think he ends up a RB2.

Pierre has had better year end stats the last 2 years. Im not expecting that to happen again, but Pierre is also going 40+ picks later at RB49. That seems like an even better value for someone who has finished RB27 and RB33 the last 2 years.

I don't hold out much hope for Ingram because RBs usually show something in their first two seasons, but he does have pedigree, so if he gets an opportunity there is a possibility he will be worth something. How old are Thomas and Sproles? Could age begin to be a factor for them?

Spiller comes to mind as a player that was not very good his 1st two seasons and came on strong in his 3rd.....there are other examples I am sure

Spiller didn't play too much his first two years because he wasn't a very good pass blocker and needed to work on his route running. Oh, and Fred Jackson was one of the 5 best RBs in the league over those 2 years. He also had 109 carries his 2nd year (mostly in the 2nd half of the season after Freddie got hurt) at 5.2 ypc. That's light years ahead of anything Ingram has ever done.

Spiller and Ingram aren't even remotely comparable.

 

[Yitbos69]

from KFFL.com:

Saints | Mark Ingram improved in second half of season

New Orleans Saints RB Mark Ingram rushed for 178 yards and one touchdown in the first eight games of the 2012 season but rushed for 424 yards and four touchdowns in the second half of the season.

2013-05-16 16:09:49 | Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune - Mike Triplett

I like how KFFL fails to mention in the first 8 games Ingram had 47 carries while in the last 8 games he had 109 carries.

It only took a little bit over twice the number of carries for him to improve his ypc by .14 yards

They did double his carries over that time frame, which is a good thing if that workload continues.

While getting more carries is a good thing, I find that YPC to be negligible. Also, in those last 8 games Sproles missed 3 games, Pierre 1 game (all different weeks), and 2 of those games when Sproles was out Ivory had much better numbers than Ingram.

Him getting more carries is a good thing, Im just not buying that he gets >50 carries over Pierre, and Sproles snaps/touches limits his ceiling to 190-200 carries. That said, I think he is as safe as any of the RBs going around him and is decent value because of that, but barring an injury to Sproles or Pierre, I dont think he ends up a RB2.

Pierre has had better year end stats the last 2 years. Im not expecting that to happen again, but Pierre is also going 40+ picks later at RB49. That seems like an even better value for someone who has finished RB27 and RB33 the last 2 years.

I don't hold out much hope for Ingram because RBs usually show something in their first two seasons, but he does have pedigree, so if he gets an opportunity there is a possibility he will be worth something. How old are Thomas and Sproles? Could age begin to be a factor for them?

Spiller comes to mind as a player that was not very good his 1st two seasons and came on strong in his 3rd.....there are other examples I am sure

Spiller didn't play too much his first two years because he wasn't a very good pass blocker and needed to work on his route running. Oh, and Fred Jackson was one of the 5 best RBs in the league over those 2 years. He also had 109 carries his 2nd year (mostly in the 2nd half of the season after Freddie got hurt) at 5.2 ypc. That's light years ahead of anything Ingram has ever done.

Spiller and Ingram aren't even remotely comparable.

Not comparing the styles...just a running back that was a top pick that did not produce at a high level their 1st two seasons....and NO was a mess last season..just my opinion

 

[cstu]

Ingram has a Shonn Greene career ahead of him.

 

[Yitbos69]

Ingram has a Shonn Greene career ahead of him.

Possible

 

[RBM]

Ingram has a Shonn Greene career ahead of him.

If he got the opportunity Shonn Greene had with the Jets, imo we would be talking about a top ten rb.

 

[FF Ninja]

I don't hold out much hope for Ingram because RBs usually show something in their first two seasons, but he does have pedigree, so if he gets an opportunity there is a possibility he will be worth something. How old are Thomas and Sproles? Could age begin to be a factor for them?

Spiller comes to mind as a player that was not very good his 1st two seasons and came on strong in his 3rd.....there are other examples I am sure

Thomas Jones, Darren McFadden, and Cedric Benson are three guys who did little to nothing their first 2 years. Spiller looked like crap his first year, but cracked 5 ypc his second year giving everybody a heads up that should he see some time in year 3 that he could explode. So he doesn't fit in this category.

Either way, the book is not written on Ingram. Should he find himself getting 250+ carries per season on a team then I think he'll be solid. But will his knees ever hold up to that load? I'm not sure, but I'm not going to write him off like some jaded previous owners have.

 

[LawFitz]

Slow, lacks vision, indecisive, shaky knees and on a 3-headed RBBC. No thanks.

 

[Righetti]

from KFFL.com:

Saints | Mark Ingram improved in second half of season

New Orleans Saints RB Mark Ingram rushed for 178 yards and one touchdown in the first eight games of the 2012 season but rushed for 424 yards and four touchdowns in the second half of the season.

2013-05-16 16:09:49 | Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune - Mike Triplett

I like how KFFL fails to mention in the first 8 games Ingram had 47 carries while in the last 8 games he had 109 carries.

It only took a little bit over twice the number of carries for him to improve his ypc by .14 yards

They did double his carries over that time frame, which is a good thing if that workload continues.

While getting more carries is a good thing, I find that YPC to be negligible. Also, in those last 8 games Sproles missed 3 games, Pierre 1 game (all different weeks), and 2 of those games when Sproles was out Ivory had much better numbers than Ingram.

Him getting more carries is a good thing, Im just not buying that he gets >50 carries over Pierre, and Sproles snaps/touches limits his ceiling to 190-200 carries. That said, I think he is as safe as any of the RBs going around him and is decent value because of that, but barring an injury to Sproles or Pierre, I dont think he ends up a RB2.

Pierre has had better year end stats the last 2 years. Im not expecting that to happen again, but Pierre is also going 40+ picks later at RB49. That seems like an even better value for someone who has finished RB27 and RB33 the last 2 years.

I don't hold out much hope for Ingram because RBs usually show something in their first two seasons, but he does have pedigree, so if he gets an opportunity there is a possibility he will be worth something. How old are Thomas and Sproles? Could age begin to be a factor for them?

Spiller comes to mind as a player that was not very good his 1st two seasons and came on strong in his 3rd.....there are other examples I am sure

Tapdance Thomas Jones

 

[DropKick]

Wow, there were some embarrassing posts in this thread.

No kidding. I think some things should be left unsaid.

Its a good reminder of how things change quickly.

Or to consider "how sure" we are about something...

 

[DropKick]

I don't hold out much hope for Ingram because RBs usually show something in their first two seasons, but he does have pedigree, so if he gets an opportunity there is a possibility he will be worth something. How old are Thomas and Sproles? Could age begin to be a factor for them?

Spiller comes to mind as a player that was not very good his 1st two seasons and came on strong in his 3rd.....there are other examples I am sure

Thomas Jones, Darren McFadden, and Cedric Benson are three guys who did little to nothing their first 2 years. Spiller looked like crap his first year, but cracked 5 ypc his second year giving everybody a heads up that should he see some time in year 3 that he could explode. So he doesn't fit in this category.

Either way, the book is not written on Ingram. Should he find himself getting 250+ carries per season on a team then I think he'll be solid. But will his knees ever hold up to that load? I'm not sure, but I'm not going to write him off like some jaded previous owners have.

Spiller had all of 74 carries his rookie season. Tough to say he looked like crap. He was behind a very productive Fred Jackson, showed explosiveness at times, and showed he could be productive as a receiver. You have to take rookie seasons with a grain of salt. The potential was certainly there (as was the 4.3 speed). It was only a matter of opportunity and time.

Ingram is still young. And last year was a lost season for the Saints. One could give him some benefit of the doubt but, of course, the injuries are a concern. I've added him to my lost of potential buy lows as I think the general perception of him is poor.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I don't hold out much hope for Ingram because RBs usually show something in their first two seasons, but he does have pedigree, so if he gets an opportunity there is a possibility he will be worth something. How old are Thomas and Sproles? Could age begin to be a factor for them?

Spiller comes to mind as a player that was not very good his 1st two seasons and came on strong in his 3rd.....there are other examples I am sure

Thomas Jones, Darren McFadden, and Cedric Benson are three guys who did little to nothing their first 2 years. Spiller looked like crap his first year, but cracked 5 ypc his second year giving everybody a heads up that should he see some time in year 3 that he could explode. So he doesn't fit in this category.

Either way, the book is not written on Ingram. Should he find himself getting 250+ carries per season on a team then I think he'll be solid. But will his knees ever hold up to that load? I'm not sure, but I'm not going to write him off like some jaded previous owners have.

Id be surprised if he gets much more than 200 carries. He's an afterthought in the passing game, at least situationally. I think he is one of the safer RB3's, at least relative to cost (Bradhsaw, Gio, BJGE basically going 2 rounds before him), but he isnt getting 250 carries unless Sproles or Pierre gets longterm injured.

 

[az_prof]

I don't hold out much hope for Ingram because RBs usually show something in their first two seasons, but he does have pedigree, so if he gets an opportunity there is a possibility he will be worth something. How old are Thomas and Sproles? Could age begin to be a factor for them?

Spiller comes to mind as a player that was not very good his 1st two seasons and came on strong in his 3rd.....there are other examples I am sure

Thomas Jones, Darren McFadden, and Cedric Benson are three guys who did little to nothing their first 2 years. Spiller looked like crap his first year, but cracked 5 ypc his second year giving everybody a heads up that should he see some time in year 3 that he could explode. So he doesn't fit in this category.

Either way, the book is not written on Ingram. Should he find himself getting 250+ carries per season on a team then I think he'll be solid. But will his knees ever hold up to that load? I'm not sure, but I'm not going to write him off like some jaded previous owners have.

Id be surprised if he gets much more than 200 carries. He's an afterthought in the passing game, at least situationally. I think he is one of the safer RB3's, at least relative to cost (Bradhsaw, Gio, BJGE basically going 2 rounds before him), but he isnt getting 250 carries unless Sproles or Pierre gets longterm injured.

I don't know what to expect in terms of carries--I think there is a large range of what is possible. If he were to get what he had last year plus Ivory's carries, he would be close to 200 carries. This seems very possible.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I don't hold out much hope for Ingram because RBs usually show something in their first two seasons, but he does have pedigree, so if he gets an opportunity there is a possibility he will be worth something. How old are Thomas and Sproles? Could age begin to be a factor for them?

Spiller comes to mind as a player that was not very good his 1st two seasons and came on strong in his 3rd.....there are other examples I am sure

Thomas Jones, Darren McFadden, and Cedric Benson are three guys who did little to nothing their first 2 years. Spiller looked like crap his first year, but cracked 5 ypc his second year giving everybody a heads up that should he see some time in year 3 that he could explode. So he doesn't fit in this category.

Either way, the book is not written on Ingram. Should he find himself getting 250+ carries per season on a team then I think he'll be solid. But will his knees ever hold up to that load? I'm not sure, but I'm not going to write him off like some jaded previous owners have.

Id be surprised if he gets much more than 200 carries. He's an afterthought in the passing game, at least situationally. I think he is one of the safer RB3's, at least relative to cost (Bradhsaw, Gio, BJGE basically going 2 rounds before him), but he isnt getting 250 carries unless Sproles or Pierre gets longterm injured.

I don't know what to expect in terms of carries--I think there is a large range of what is possible. If he were to get what he had last year plus Ivory's carries, he would be close to 200 carries. This seems very possible.

Yes, thats why I said if he gets more than 200 carries itd be surprised. Just as surprised as Id be if Ingram got all 40 of Ivory's carries and those touches werent spread out between him, Sproles, and Pierre

 

[KellysHeroes]

The Times-Picayune says that if this were Mark Ingram's rookie training camp, "the buzz would probably be through the roof by now."
Ingram spent the first two years of his NFL career battling knee and toe issues. Now healthy, he's looking "strong, fast and fluid." Ingram is battling Pierre Thomas for carries in base formations. There's reason to believe he'll vastly improve on his career 3.87 YPC in 2013.

isn't Thomas list a top of the depth chart?

 

[Faust]

Is Mark Ingram a breakout candidate for Saints?

By Dan Hanzus

Around the League Writer

It's no secret Mark Ingram failed to live up to expectations in his first two seasons in the NFL.

With a less-cluttered depth chart in New Orleans and health finally on his side, is it Ingram's time to make an impact for the Saints?

He appears to be off to a good start this summer. The third-year running back received the majority of carries with the first team on Monday, a good sign entering a season in which he's expected to split time with Pierre Thomas.

Mike Tripplet of The Times-Picayune wrote that Pierre "continued to look strong, fast and fluid" in practice, adding that "the buzz would probably be through the roof by now" if this were Ingram's first camp.

The Saints invested a first-round pick in Ingram two years ago, hoping he could be the punishing back who could provide balance to the Saints' offense. He has been slowed by knee and toe injuries, and his 3.9 yards per carry average speaks to the lack of big-play ability.

Sean Payton is on record that the Saints will run the ball more in 2013. If Ingram doesn't announce his presence this season, we don't know if he ever will.

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