Here is a rb you can have in the later rounds, yet there is no peep about him in the shark pool. I can easily Ingram being the early down back and goal line back. In that offense, double digits Tds is a possibility. He doesn't need to do anything but his primary job and it would be a profit for us owners.
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Louisville Slugger
Footballguy
I love a healthy Ingram this year to take the lead role in N.O. and run with it. 1,000 YDS and 12 td's.
steveski
Footballguy
There's just so much going on in that backfield that it's hard to predict. Pierre Thomas still has value and Sproles definitely has a lot of value in PPR. I agree, Ingram is the better all around RB in the backfield, but the Saints are a passing team and there's just too big of a committee back there to value any of those guys too much as a RB. I think Ingram is a worthy of a roster spot if you can get him late.
Scooby1974
Footballguy
I'm weighing the idea of starting him at RB2 this week. Tough part is that we haven't heard too much and he hasn't seen a lot of Preseason action. I love him as an under the radar pick right now and could see him putting up 1000 yards and 10+ TD's in this offense.
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
What's the matchup like against WAS? Tough? We don't know how the script will go in this game. The plan last year was to let him salt away games in the 4th quarter but that hardly happened save Indy.
Its tough to start him based on last year alone. Add in the fact they mix it up and its such an unpredicatable split.
Several times last year they were down at the 3,4,5 and went play action to Graham or a sneak with the FB.
Its tough to start him based on last year alone. Add in the fact they mix it up and its such an unpredicatable split.
Several times last year they were down at the 3,4,5 and went play action to Graham or a sneak with the FB.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
WAS did allow 15 rushing TDs last year. I think he's a sneaky flex play this week.I'm honestly kind of high on him but I do acknowledge his value is capped. If PT wasn't pretty darn good still I'd like his odds better. Double digit TDs is definitely a possibility but I don't see him rushing for more than 750-850 factoring in a decent YPC (better than last year of course) and how many touches he would feasibly be looking at in a pretty crowded backfield.
Hard to get excited about him in that crowded backfield. He was a redraft 5th rounder last year and a 7th rounder this year. Seemed like good value, but hard to imaging him getting 250 carries. I think 10+ TDs is much more likely than 1000+ yards. Great bye week filler who could be had in the 7th, maybe even 8th. If he does live up to his first round potential then he could straight up command carries (like if he's putting up 5 ypc) and make us look smart (actually I think I only have him in 1-2 leagues).
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
Well in the 9/10 games he had double digit touches. 6/10 of those were double digit rushses. He also had a TD in 5/10 games he played.
You could do worse.
You could do worse.
BroadwayG
Footballguy
You obviously don't have him on your team.
ponchsox
Footballguy
I do actually, and drafted him as my RB4
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Ingram is an interesting player to me for 2012. He's one of the "dart" RBs I targeted as a solid contributor and possible breakout candidate.
Many of the pros applied to him before his rookie season still apply. His strengths as a runner are still there, the offensive juggernaut he plays for is still there, his status as the goalline runner, etc.
Obviously the cons many people wanted to ignore in 2011 are still there as well. Injury concern, competition for touches, passing offense, etc.
Ingram averaged 52 yfs and .5 TDs per game in 10 games. Very poor numbers considering the team he plays on. He had 133 touches in those 10 games. 12.2 carries and 1.1 receptions. The interesting thing to me is even if he stays at a 13.3 touch per game threshold, which I think is unlikely (I see his touches per game increasing slightly and have him closer to 15 per game), he'd see roughly 213 touches and 8 TDs if he's available for 16 games. Not bad for where he's being drafted.
Now, let's say the Saints decide they want to run it a bit more this season because Brees has his passing yardage record and they push the former first rounder Ingram toward 15 touches per game. I also expect him to be the goalline back, and see 10 TDs for him in this offense.
Is there anyone that thinks Ingram can't handle 13 carries and 2 receptions per game (a very slight bump from last years averages)? That would put him at 208 carries and 32 receptions. At 4.4 per carry and 6.9 per reception Ingram would be at 915 rushing yards and 221 receiving yards. If the TD averages hold true he'd be a mid to low RB2.
Many of the pros applied to him before his rookie season still apply. His strengths as a runner are still there, the offensive juggernaut he plays for is still there, his status as the goalline runner, etc.
Obviously the cons many people wanted to ignore in 2011 are still there as well. Injury concern, competition for touches, passing offense, etc.
Ingram averaged 52 yfs and .5 TDs per game in 10 games. Very poor numbers considering the team he plays on. He had 133 touches in those 10 games. 12.2 carries and 1.1 receptions. The interesting thing to me is even if he stays at a 13.3 touch per game threshold, which I think is unlikely (I see his touches per game increasing slightly and have him closer to 15 per game), he'd see roughly 213 touches and 8 TDs if he's available for 16 games. Not bad for where he's being drafted.
Now, let's say the Saints decide they want to run it a bit more this season because Brees has his passing yardage record and they push the former first rounder Ingram toward 15 touches per game. I also expect him to be the goalline back, and see 10 TDs for him in this offense.
Is there anyone that thinks Ingram can't handle 13 carries and 2 receptions per game (a very slight bump from last years averages)? That would put him at 208 carries and 32 receptions. At 4.4 per carry and 6.9 per reception Ingram would be at 915 rushing yards and 221 receiving yards. If the TD averages hold true he'd be a mid to low RB2.
zoonation
Footballguy
Ingram will bust again. I doubt he plays a full season due to nagging injuries and, when he does, he will be platooned with two other guys in an offence that loves to throw the ball.
The only upside at all is that he doesn;t cost a 3-4 round pick this year and can be had much later, thus mitigating the substantial risk in picking him.
Bottom line: if you are starting this guy you are likely humping your rabbit's foot.
The only upside at all is that he doesn;t cost a 3-4 round pick this year and can be had much later, thus mitigating the substantial risk in picking him.
Bottom line: if you are starting this guy you are likely humping your rabbit's foot.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
He will bust? He's being drafted as RB35. In 10 disappointing games last year he still finished RB45 (FBG scoring). He does not need to improve much in order to avoid being a RB35 bust.
zoonation
Footballguy
Oh, let me clarify. I don't think he will "bust" at RB35. I just ge the sense that people are drafting this guy chasing thoughts of last year's expectations. I just don't see those expectations ever materializing and view his upside as more limited than other guys going that deep in the draft. In that sense the expectations will bust.I take your point that he is very unlikely to bust his ADp of RB35, but that isn't the number that is going to satisfy the people drafting him there.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
He will bust, I'm sure of it. Overrated turd. Suckage.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Where is the buzz you ask?! Its dead, look for it somewhere in the Ingram HOF bandwagon thread.
DevilintheDetail
Footballguy
The new Saints OC also says that they're really excited about how Ingram looks and they are expecting big things from him.I think, overall, the Saints will fall off their recent offensive production a bit. Once it becomes clear that they aren't going to be contending for the Superbowl, I think they'll start trying to get Ingram more reps/experience to see exactly what he can do with a larger workload.Plus, Sproles is already dinged up.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
This is disappointing because the potential in that offense, and the idea of a 1000+/10 TD yard back in it is just so awesome, but with the injuries and his inability to do what they went and grabbed him for - consistenly and reliably make short range TD runs - just cannot be ignored. As always he looks great to me, but he has yet to take over a game or even look as good as produce like Chris Ivory, Pierre or of course Sproles.
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eric rymer
Footballguy
Seriously man.....you just can't stay away from Ingram threads can you?
BroadwayG
Footballguy
Ingram has never not been dinged up.
ShaHBucks
Footballguy
He's the worse rb on his own team. Pierre Thomas is one of the best backs in the league, yet he never gets used. Sproles is a 3rd down god. Ivory can do what they ask Ingram to do. Waste of a pick.DevilintheDetail
Footballguy
Well, he's healthy now, right?
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
I like Chris Ivory over IngiePoo.
Remember last year when Jed Collins "stole" what was "rightfully" IngiePoos TDS.
Remember last year when Jed Collins "stole" what was "rightfully" IngiePoos TDS.
Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
Those were good times. Ripping my hair out................I like Chris Ivory over IngiePoo.Remember last year when Jed Collins "stole" what was "rightfully" IngiePoos TDS.
whitem0nkey
Footballguy
and he is the 3rd best RB in my league now, 1/2pprIngram - 4.40Thomas - 8.70Sproles - 14.30 (2.70 is return yards points)
shadyridr
Footballguy
less than 4 ypc and taken put near the goal line. waste of roster space
Purple_King
Footballguy
Fatty scores a Touchdown. Whoo-hoo!
RBM
Footballguy
Fatty? Are you crazy? He's built like a tank.
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