FunkyPlutos
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Just relax...the ONLY reason that Evans went off for the big game last year was because I was playing against him...I am not playing against him this week, so it will not happen!!
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Mark it down right now.. Lee Evans is a MUST START this week. (1 Viewer)
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Marc Levin
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I agree - the 'phins secondary is in shambles right now.That does NOT mean I expect Evans to go off - or for Losman to throw for even 230 yards. I'll take a side bet on that action, GroveDiesel -you are obviously a Bills homer - Losman does NOPT throw for more than 245 yards this week - and the Dolphins D gets 3 sacks and more than 1 turnover from Losman (either 2 INTs or more or an INT and a fumble)
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Yes.But he has not demonstrated ESCAPABILITY in the NFL. He IS mobile - running bootlegs, getting away from a collapsing pocket - but the phins got hands on Batch a number of times and he got away - that is not Losman's kind of mobility.If you are comparing Batch's experience to Losman's inexperience I might agree with you - but wasn't Losman's strength in college his mobility?Wasn't that my point?
Like I said, it is good analysis, but inapplicable to the way the 'phins play defense. I don't believe Losman will have anything resembling enough time. He is not as escapable as Batch, he is not as good throwing on the run, he gets flustered while Batch does not. Lee Evans' ability is irrelevant. Like I said in my first post, it is a GREAT matchup against a banged up secondary - but the Bills may not be able to exploit it due to the 'phins pass rush.
How good Lee Evans is and how banged up the Dolphin secondary is becomes a side issue to what kind of pressure I expect from the Dolphins' front seven - in response, you mentioned McGahee's running as a counter to the D pressure - I countered regarding the phins' D pressure despite Wille Parker going off, you then responded to that with "Lee Evans is better at the long ball, if Losman has time." Kinda circular argument on your part, isn;'t it?
houndirish
Footballguy
Another Giants fan here who's seen enough of Will Allen to know that he doesn't shut down many WR's especially one's of Evans's caliber.Oh and before you talk up Will Allen's speed take a look at last week's Steelers game. The guy chasing Heath Miller all the length of the field, unable to catch him? Yeah ... that was Will Allen. If he can't run down a tight end I'm not sure how he'll stick with Evans.Mofongo said:
msommer
Footballguy
Not sure how valid that is - if Losman is adept at escaping a collapsing pocket (hopefully throwing on the run as well, but that is implied, at least at collegiate level) - the D won't get a hand on him that Batch might have gotten. If your contention is that the pocket will not collapse but the rush from the outside will overwhelm the tackles - you may have a point - I'm not enough of a Losman expert to judge his reaction pattern in such an instance (not sure anyone is - he is starting his tenth game or so, right?)Yes.But he has not demonstrated ESCAPABILITY in the NFL. He IS mobile - running bootlegs, getting away from a collapsing pocket - but the phins got hands on Batch a number of times and he got away - that is not Losman's kind of mobility.If you are comparing Batch's experience to Losman's inexperience I might agree with you - but wasn't Losman's strength in college his mobility?
Like I said, it is good analysis, but inapplicable to the way the 'phins play defense. I don't believe Losman will have anything resembling enough time. He is not as escapable as Batch, he is not as good throwing on the run, he gets flustered while Batch does not. Lee Evans' ability is irrelevant. Like I said in my first post, it is a GREAT matchup against a banged up secondary - but the Bills may not be able to exploit it due to the 'phins pass rush.
How good Lee Evans is and how banged up the Dolphin secondary is becomes a side issue to what kind of pressure I expect from the Dolphins' front seven - in response, you mentioned McGahee's running as a counter to the D pressure - I countered regarding the phins' D pressure despite Wille Parker going off, you then responded to that with "Lee Evans is better at the long ball, if Losman has time." Kinda circular argument on your part, isn;'t it?
The Man Who Met Andy Griffith
Footballguy
Can we have a moratorium on posts like this? I swear I see like ten of these per day.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Batch has always been known for his mobility, too - but he is also able to escape from defenders' grasp - not Losman.I rate them equally high as far as mobility, but Batch is able to escape where Losman can not - primarily due ot being a better athlete and aNot sure how valid that is - if Losman is adept at escaping a collapsing pocket (hopefully throwing on the run as well, but that is implied, at least at collegiate level) - the D won't get a hand on him that Batch might have gotten. If your contention is that the pocket will not collapse but the rush from the outside will overwhelm the tackles - you may have a point - I'm not enough of a Losman expert to judge his reaction pattern in such an instance (not sure anyone is - he is starting his tenth game or so, right?)Yes.But he has not demonstrated ESCAPABILITY in the NFL. He IS mobile - running bootlegs, getting away from a collapsing pocket - but the phins got hands on Batch a number of times and he got away - that is not Losman's kind of mobility.If you are comparing Batch's experience to Losman's inexperience I might agree with you - but wasn't Losman's strength in college his mobility?
Like I said, it is good analysis, but inapplicable to the way the 'phins play defense. I don't believe Losman will have anything resembling enough time. He is not as escapable as Batch, he is not as good throwing on the run, he gets flustered while Batch does not. Lee Evans' ability is irrelevant. Like I said in my first post, it is a GREAT matchup against a banged up secondary - but the Bills may not be able to exploit it due to the 'phins pass rush.
How good Lee Evans is and how banged up the Dolphin secondary is becomes a side issue to what kind of pressure I expect from the Dolphins' front seven - in response, you mentioned McGahee's running as a counter to the D pressure - I countered regarding the phins' D pressure despite Wille Parker going off, you then responded to that with "Lee Evans is better at the long ball, if Losman has time." Kinda circular argument on your part, isn;'t it?
For example, Plummer is an extremely mobile QB - VERY mobile, as a matter of fact. Vick has escapability.
Wasn't arguing. I agree with you about the pressure that the Phins will bring. It's up to Losman and how the offense counters the pressure that is the key to the game. Batch countered it well and was rewarded with an 87 yard TD from his TE. If the Phins dominate the LOS with their Def front (especially if they pressure up the middle) and Magahee is no factor then yeah Evans and Losman are in for a long day but I have to think that Buff. will be prepared for the pressure and can counter it with a well schemed game plan. Evans has enough talent to win a 1 on 1 matchup with Allen or whoever he is matched up with and can take it to the house on any type of throw be it a quick slant, out and up or go route. If they negate Miami's push in the middle all Losman has to do is take a 5 step drop feel the pressure from the edges step up in the pocket and find Evans or Price for yardage. Simple in theory let's see how it plays out. The jury is still out on Losman even after a solid yet unspectacular NE game. This game will tell us alot about the Bills season and about the fantasy value of Evans IMO. Enjoy the game and looking forward to revisiting this thread and analyzing what happened next week.
Like I said, it is good analysis, but inapplicable to the way the 'phins play defense. I don't believe Losman will have anything resembling enough time. He is not as escapable as Batch, he is not as good throwing on the run, he gets flustered while Batch does not. Lee Evans' ability is irrelevant. Like I said in my first post, it is a GREAT matchup against a banged up secondary - but the Bills may not be able to exploit it due to the 'phins pass rush.
How good Lee Evans is and how banged up the Dolphin secondary is becomes a side issue to what kind of pressure I expect from the Dolphins' front seven - in response, you mentioned McGahee's running as a counter to the D pressure - I countered regarding the phins' D pressure despite Wille Parker going off, you then responded to that with "Lee Evans is better at the long ball, if Losman has time." Kinda circular argument on your part, isn;'t it?
A backup quarterback, who has started three games in the last five years, has a 15 for 25, 209 yard, three touchdown and 126.5 quarterback rating performance and he is "pretty confused". Define confused, let alone pretty confused.What are the non-confused starters like Brady, Leftwich and Manning going to do to the Dolphins' swiss-cheese secondary when they get the opportunity to play them? Miami is not that good. Buffalo might not beat them but Evans COULD have a nice day against them.j3r3m3y said:
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
homer alert.
The phins' secondary is not nearly as bad as stated above - they did a GREAT job against the Super Bowl Champs.
The pitiful Buffalo OL will be manhandled by the 'phins.
The phins' secondary is not nearly as bad as stated above - they did a GREAT job against the Super Bowl Champs.
The pitiful Buffalo OL will be manhandled by the 'phins.
All right fool......time for a sig. bet!?!?!?
Great Job = 60% completion percentage and three touchdowns to a backup.
Maybe the fact that they defended three passes makes it great?Other than the obvious 
, am I missing something here?
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Yup - you are.
Watch the game.
Old Mil - anytime, anywhere, anyplace - Dolphins in Miami will CRUSH the Bills. Sig bet, ya fool, yer on.
Watch the game.
Old Mil - anytime, anywhere, anyplace - Dolphins in Miami will CRUSH the Bills. Sig bet, ya fool, yer on.
-OZ-
Footballguy
This is why I'm not sure about starting Evans. Or McGahee for that matter, but I can't bench him. I'm expecting a low scoring game. (which of course means it will be 42-35)
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
PM in response to your PM sent.FYI
jafo
Out of Mind
I started him over Javon Walker today because of this thread..lol. Walker has yet to play though...
BoulderBob
Footballguy
Lee Evans is an amazing talent, however, teams are doubling him, **** Juaron is his coach and Losman is his QB. If you can find a taker for him, pull the trigger.
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phrozen
Footballguy
-OZ-
Footballguy
I actually dropped him in a redraft before this game for Troy Williamson.
I still like Evans a lot in dynasty, but he's made my lineup decision a little easier, as he is now (from week 3 on) riding the bench behind Edwards, Walker and Jones (and Glenn or Keyshawn in another)
If it helps, I started him over Jones and Walker. NO MORE!Monse said:I started Lee Evans over Matt Jones
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
laughinboy_2000 =Evans had a slow start last week, but if history repeats itself, Evans could be huge this week. Evans blew up for for 100+ yards and three TD's last year against the Dolphins. Miami loves to give up long plays which is Evans' and Losman's specialty. I expect 100 yards and at least one TD..Anyone hopping on the Lee Evans bandwagon this week??
I realy hope you didn't......
Yet another great prediction by the crack footballguys.com staff.
Wait, Daunte Culpepper just got sacked again. I'm sure your comeback argument is that Evans did not have a good game and that the Miami secondary held Buffalo to 83 yards passing. Unfortunately, all bets are off when a team starts killing the clock in the third quarter. Sure, your Dolphins will beat Tennessee and Houston in the next two weeks and be 2-2. However, they have a looong way to go before they can compete with the big boys. Ironically, I see them still being a possible playoff team given their ridiculous schedule. Being overly optimistic, this is how I see the rest of their season assuming all goes well:Tennessee - Win 1-2@Houston - Win 2-2
@New England - Loss 2-3
@N.Y. Jets - Win 3-3
Green Bay - Win 4-3
@Chicago - Loss 4-4
Kansas City - Loss 4-5
Minnesota - Win 5-5
@Detroit - Win 6-5
Jacksonville - Loss 6-6
New England - Win 7-6
@Buffalo - Win 8-6
N.Y. Jets - Win 9-6
@Indianapolis - Win 10-6 (assume Indy starts no one in week 17 as history has dictated)
Good luck with the rest of the season but don't overestimate the talent of your squad.
Big Score
Footballguy
Forgot to put in the option of the DB's tackling Evans without the ball. Did you guys see Will Allen tackle him down near the Goal Line to stop him from having a chance at the pass.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Yup - I'm lucky Old Mil never got back to my PM to tie down the sig bet. I correctly guessed why Evans might not be as lahge as was predicted here. The 'phins front seven and Ronnie Brown were the only Dolphins playing today. 
Culpepper!! 
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
I didn't - I UNDER estimated the strength of the Bills defense.What I did overestimate (to a horrendous degree) was Culpepper's likelihood of having a decent game after chundering in the last few minutes of the Pitt. game. Seriously, I lay this ENTIRE loss on C-Pepp. The rest of the team seemed to play OK, and some played great (Ronnie Brown and the phins front seven played very very well).You are correct - my response *here* is that I was correct on why Evans might not be big in this game.
GoBills02
Footballguy
hmmmmmm.....
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Seriously, we need this to stop.You made a great prediction. Congratulations.Act like you've been there before, and stop bumping the threads.laughing boy 2000...who's laughing now!
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
P.S. - I am a 'phins *homer* - thisa was not a "FBGuy "expert" opinon.I was clearly not trying to make a prediction on the game, I was quite transparently posting as a fan. On Saturday night, when posting casually, I am a Miami Dolphin fan above all else.Yet another great prediction by the crack footballguys.com staff.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
I'll take the knocks - thus, the alert.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
The deep one - that was PITIFUL. The refs blew a few calls in this game, but this was horrid.Forgot to put in the option of the DB's tackling Evans without the ball. Did you guys see Will Allen tackle him down near the Goal Line to stop him from having a chance at the pass.
Islander
Footballguy
Yesterday afternoon I had too many beersSeriously, we need this to stop.You made a great prediction. Congratulations.Act like you've been there before, and stop bumping the threads.laughing boy 2000...who's laughing now!
and acted like a jerk BTW I did not bump the thread.You really are a HOMER! Will Allen was completely beaten and did the only thing he could to stop Evans from scoring on him.The deep one - that was PITIFUL. The refs blew a few calls in this game, but this was horrid.Forgot to put in the option of the DB's tackling Evans without the ball. Did you guys see Will Allen tackle him down near the Goal Line to stop him from having a chance at the pass.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
The deep one - that was PITIFUL. The refs blew a few calls in this game, but this was horrid.Forgot to put in the option of the DB's tackling Evans without the ball. Did you guys see Will Allen tackle him down near the Goal Line to stop him from having a chance at the pass.
Also, Lee Evans was a few breaks away from having a HUGE day (3TDs), so this prediction was real close to being accurate. It's not as though he got shut down. It was just an unlucky day for all you Evans owners.
mac daddy
Footballguy
Why, why did I not listen to myself!!!
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Now you have me thinking of actually keeping him in my lineup next week.The deep one - that was PITIFUL. The refs blew a few calls in this game, but this was horrid.Forgot to put in the option of the DB's tackling Evans without the ball. Did you guys see Will Allen tackle him down near the Goal Line to stop him from having a chance at the pass.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Agreed. My apologies to anyone that started him and got burned this past week. Now is the time to buy on Evans though. I'll be looking to buy him up cheap in every league I'm in right now. Like Grigs said, Evans was pretty close to having a giant fantasy day. That doesn't help anyone's team from this past week, but it does tell you what is possible with him.Apparently the Dolphins' new stellar secondary's gameplan is just to consistently get beaten and tackle the WR as they go by. It's definitely affecting passing numbers against them, but the final result will consistently be the same.The deep one - that was PITIFUL. The refs blew a few calls in this game, but this was horrid.Forgot to put in the option of the DB's tackling Evans without the ball. Did you guys see Will Allen tackle him down near the Goal Line to stop him from having a chance at the pass.
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