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Mark Sanchez - FOX Announcer and Former QB Stabbed in Indy - Now Charged in Confrontation (3 Viewers)
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SeniorVBDStudent
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the detail mentioned of sanchez doing wind sprints in the alley before the assault seems too weird to be made up. and authorities reviewed video footage. and dude was 69 years old.
yikes. hope sanchez gets some help.
yikes. hope sanchez gets some help.
eighsse2
Footballguy
Know very little about legal stuff but, at least in Ohio, self-defense has to be like, realistically commensurate. "He shoved me, so I shot him" wouldn't work. Not sure where pepper spray falls in that spectrum.Not an attorney, but I’m pretty sure self defense doesn’t care about what you defend yourself with. Only that you’re the victim.idk @Hot Sauce Guy do you think a "but he pepper sprayed me! I was justified in stabbing him!" would be a good self defense claim? Maybe it is but I'm not a lawyer and idk, I just feel like its a litlle crazy
I started typing this before your reply.
If someone chases me into my house with an axe, and I grab a gun and shoot them, it’s self-defense. I don’t think it matters that he stabbed him while defending himself.
But yeah, I could be wrong. Any legal eagles wanna weigh in?
The Kerminator
Footballguy
But there's more to it than just the pepper spray. The erratic behavior, illegally entering a motor vehicle, etc.Know very little about legal stuff but, at least in Ohio, self-defense has to be like, realistically commensurate. "He shoved me, so I shot him" wouldn't work. Not sure where pepper spray falls in that spectrum.Not an attorney, but I’m pretty sure self defense doesn’t care about what you defend yourself with. Only that you’re the victim.idk @Hot Sauce Guy do you think a "but he pepper sprayed me! I was justified in stabbing him!" would be a good self defense claim? Maybe it is but I'm not a lawyer and idk, I just feel like its a litlle crazy
I started typing this before your reply.
If someone chases me into my house with an axe, and I grab a gun and shoot them, it’s self-defense. I don’t think it matters that he stabbed him while defending himself.
But yeah, I could be wrong. Any legal eagles wanna weigh in?
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I think some people forget how big and strong QBs are. A quick check shows that Sanchez 6'2" and 225 lbs (his playing weight I assume). A regular person like a delivery driver trying to fend off an aggressive professional athlete that big would be extremely difficult.
Boston
Footballguy
Agreed...this story keeps getting odder...unfortunately there is no chance he stars in a Hallmark Christmas move now.
ponchsox
Footballguy
Sanchez is a former professional athlete 6”2 230 vs a 69 year old man. Sounds like disparity of force which is a legitimate self defense claim.idk @Hot Sauce Guy do you think a "but he pepper sprayed me! I was justified in stabbing him!" would be a good self defense claim? Maybe it is but I'm not a lawyer and idk, I just feel like its a litlle crazy
I started typing this before your reply.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I’m trying to figure out why Sanchez thought he could tell the foot truck driver where to park. Sounds like classic drunk jerk guy shtick.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Also, that Loughmiller’s place looks good. Future note to self should I ever find myself in downtown Indy.
Osaurus
Footballguy
Maybe something edgier like on Lifetime
RC94
Footballguy
Yeah, he's a big guy. He does interviews on podcasts like Rich Eisen's and I remember a few weeks ago he said on one of them he was 6'2", 240lbs. He's bigger than most poeple I know.
rockaction
Footballguy
Am I jerk if I say that I've honestly hated the guy since he lost two AFC Championships in a row, and then especially after the buttfumble, which actually got me out of bed to go downtown and do really bad, hard drugs?
I don't know. This doesn't surprise me. Actually, that's ********. It surprises me a lot.
I don't know. This doesn't surprise me. Actually, that's ********. It surprises me a lot.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
About 20 years ago I went to Indy to watch a Colts game and the night before we lost one of our friends, only to later see him approaching us in handcuffs with the police leading him to the poky. In passing I just said, we will bail you out in the morning. He apparantly was being drunk and disordly. I know for a fact that the Indy police don't put up with drunks. He was released the next morning and was able to go to the game. That friend has since passed away. RIP Richie.
Edit: We didn't bail him out as said originally, he wsa released. Brain fart.
SaintsInDome2006
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I went to a St. Louis Blues / Leafs game in St. Louis once. Went to one of ‘those bars.’ Really had a great time. Leave, walking down the block, we ask where’s Nick? Well he’d decided to try to walk out the place with a prized moose head that had been hanging on the wall. Big mistake.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Just about every beautiful woman has a guy somewhere that got sick of her.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Grahamburn
Footballguy
The image of Sanchez doing wind sprints in the alley has me 
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Skenes will be Dunne with her in no time.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
The image of Sanchez doing wind sprints in the alley has me
I wanna hear the audio.
"You talking to me? Are YOU....talking to ME?....I'm MARK ####### SANCHEZ, #####!"
McBokonon
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The image of Sanchez doing wind sprints in the alley has me
“See, I’m still crazy fast! Who has a ball - I’m gonna throw it over them mountains. CHIN UP CONTEST!!! That ****ing truck is blocking my hopscotch game, I’mma get him out of there.”
habsfan
Footballguy
My mom knew things. Any time I tried to renegotiate my curfew she would say, "What do you need to do after midnight that you can't do before?"
barackdhouse
Footballguy
By the way pepper spray absolutely can be considered a murder weapon and someone could absolutely be afraid for their life if it were brought out. If you've seen The Last Seduction with Linda Fiorentino you know what I mean. And I'm not trying to make light of it, but I'm just saying if alcohol induced rage with a pro athlete and a can of pepper spray is involved, and if wrestling/grappling/striking/ is involved, and if a person is more or less trapped within their vehicle (in other words they don't have the high ground), I think the case that they were afraid for their life is 100% plausible. I don't know who did what to who or didn't, obviously the whole thing is insane. But if you come at me hard with a can of pepper spray (as opposed to using it defensively to try and ward someone off) I'm going to think of The Last Seduction and if I had a knife on me I just might use it. I don't carry a knife though because I can't fight and would assume it would be used against me.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
“Crack and hookers, mom. Crack & hookers.”
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I looked it up after I posted to make sure I was being accurate - pepper spray is considered a deadly weapon, but it is context dependent.
Self defense against pepper spray (plus the context of a massive dude who’s wasted and acting erratically) would clearly constitute a defensive action.
How one defends themselves is irrelevant.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It’s ok. You’re allowed to celebrate when people you don’t like get arrested for jerk behavior.
*allegedly
Major
Footballguy
The image of Sanchez doing wind sprints in the alley has me
I had a buddy that would do laps around the block in NYC randomly during bar outings. Of course, he was also on cocaine. I have a suspicion Mark just wasn't drunk.
Hot Sauce Guy
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Had this exact discussion with another market vendor this morning - we were both skeptical that booze was the only thing going on here. Drunks come in many flavors, but “doing wind sprints in an alley” isn’t typically one of them unless accompanied by amphetamines of some sort.
Meth would explain pretty much all of this.
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Ilov80s
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Yeah we are talking about a large strong mid 38 year old man attacking a 69 year old man. I think about my FIL who is a normal sized 5'9" 70 year old man and if someone Sanchez's size attacked him at night in an alley, I wouldn't question my FIL stabbing him at all. The difference is physicality between the 2 basically requires the older man to use a weapon. He tried pepper spray and that didn't deter Sanchez so what else can he do?
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rockaction
Footballguy
I'm actually nowhere close to celebratory. I feel bad for the older man. That strikes as something Sanchez would do. Try to beat up an old man and fail at it.
rockaction
Footballguy
Boston
Footballguy
The image of Sanchez doing wind sprints in the alley has me
I had a buddy that would do laps around the block in NYC randomly during bar outings. Of course, he was also on cocaine. I have a suspicion Mark just wasn't drunk.
100% what I was thinking when I heard about the late-night wind sprints.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
wait my bad, I misread it. The guy pepper sprayed Sanchez but he still kept attacking. So the guy tried something using non-lethal force and it didn't work.
rockaction
Footballguy
That’s what I thought happened and it makes a lot more sense this way. Thanks for the clarification.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
The original tush push.
dickey moe
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You win the internet this week.
the moops
Footballguy
Why would you suggest that without any reason?
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
based on preliminary reports, the alleged behavior (before confirmation of video, etc.) was VERY strange. the allegations being false was a perfectly reasonable explanation.
fatness
Footballguy
Imagine being the 69-year-old guy driving the truck that cleans out restaurant grease traps. You pull up to a bar at night, park by the grease trap, and some drunk NFL player running sprints in an alley starts yelling at you to move your truck, and attacks you. It's not like the truck drive could move the grease trap, he had to park where he did to do his job.
GroveDiesel
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The details truly are bizarre. Certainly sounds like Sanchez was black out drunk and created an insane chaotic situation. From ProFootballTalk:
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Via the probable cause affidavits supporting the arrest, as explained by Jade Jackson of the Indianapolis Star, the victim was a 69-year-old truck driver who had parked a work box truck at a loading dock to collect used cooking oil from a hotel kitchen.
The altercation began, via the story posted by Michaela Springer of WISHTV.com, when Sanchez told the driver that he couldn’t stop his truck where it was parked. Sanchez added that he had spoken to the manager of the hotel. The victim said he would call his own manager to figure out what was happening.
Sanchez then climbed up into the cab of the truck. He leaned over the driver’s seat, and he looked in toward the middle area between the seats.
The victim told Sanchez he wasn’t allowed inside the truck. Sanchez, who per the victim smelled of alcohol and slurred his words, “kept repeating that he had spoken to a manager, and they did not want [victim] to [replace the fryer oil].”
Security footage shows that Sanchez followed the victim as he walked around the truck and attempted to get the attention of a hotel security guard. Sanchez then blocked the victim’s effort to get inside the truck. The surveillance footage shows Sanchez shoving the victim backward.
From the quotes in the article published by the Star, Sanchez was seen throwing the victim against a wall and then to the ground.
At one point, the victim sprayed Sanchez in the face with pepper spray. From the affidavit: “The pepper spray appeared to have an effect on Mr. Sanchez for a moment, but [he] wiped his face and again advanced toward [the victim].”
The victim then became fearful that Sanchez would kill him. He reached for his knife and stabbed Sanchez “two or three times” in the chest. Sanchez reacted with a “look of shock” and left the scene.
For his part, Sanchez told police he didn’t recall what happened after grabbing for a window. He said while being interviewed in the hospital that he didn’t know who had stabbed him or where it had happened.
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Via the probable cause affidavits supporting the arrest, as explained by Jade Jackson of the Indianapolis Star, the victim was a 69-year-old truck driver who had parked a work box truck at a loading dock to collect used cooking oil from a hotel kitchen.
The altercation began, via the story posted by Michaela Springer of WISHTV.com, when Sanchez told the driver that he couldn’t stop his truck where it was parked. Sanchez added that he had spoken to the manager of the hotel. The victim said he would call his own manager to figure out what was happening.
Sanchez then climbed up into the cab of the truck. He leaned over the driver’s seat, and he looked in toward the middle area between the seats.
The victim told Sanchez he wasn’t allowed inside the truck. Sanchez, who per the victim smelled of alcohol and slurred his words, “kept repeating that he had spoken to a manager, and they did not want [victim] to [replace the fryer oil].”
Security footage shows that Sanchez followed the victim as he walked around the truck and attempted to get the attention of a hotel security guard. Sanchez then blocked the victim’s effort to get inside the truck. The surveillance footage shows Sanchez shoving the victim backward.
From the quotes in the article published by the Star, Sanchez was seen throwing the victim against a wall and then to the ground.
At one point, the victim sprayed Sanchez in the face with pepper spray. From the affidavit: “The pepper spray appeared to have an effect on Mr. Sanchez for a moment, but [he] wiped his face and again advanced toward [the victim].”
The victim then became fearful that Sanchez would kill him. He reached for his knife and stabbed Sanchez “two or three times” in the chest. Sanchez reacted with a “look of shock” and left the scene.
For his part, Sanchez told police he didn’t recall what happened after grabbing for a window. He said while being interviewed in the hospital that he didn’t know who had stabbed him or where it had happened.
Dennis Castro
Footballguy
Some of those grease trucks smell terrible.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
In fairness to sanchize, have you ever tried to run wind sprints in a greasy alley wearing dress shoes?
Are we ruling out the possibility that he was a hero defending that hotel, maybe the manager deputized Mark?
Are we ruling out the possibility that he was a hero defending that hotel, maybe the manager deputized Mark?
fatness
Footballguy
Scary stuff. Just out of control.
Sad situation.
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