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Marquise Goodwin, WR Buffalo (1 Viewer)

Goodwin looks like the perfect boom/bust WR3/4 that you sometimes need to have at the ready if you are outmatched going into the fantasy playoffs. Wouldn't touch him if my team is stacked and favored. But he's got the upside to catch lightning in a bottle and propel your team over a better team. The downside is the higher ceiling/low floor guy was just going to lead you to a loss anyway.

 
I'm a Bills fanatic, and here're my take:

Stevie Johnson is still the #1 target, and will be the slot WR when everyone is healthy. Johnson isn't real fast, but may have the best "moves" of any WR in the NFL, and is not going anywhere soon.

Robert Woods is the top outside WR, and will be taking over the #1 target label from SJ13, probably by end of next year IMO. Woods has Reggie Wayne type WR1 potential. When he comes back healthy after the bye and has Manual back at QB, he'll start to show it again.

TJ Graham is technically a starter opposite Woods on the outside (in 3WR sets), but he has no fantasy value. He has shown almost nothing now in 2 years, and will likely be out of football in a year or 2.

Goodwin is explosive & can catch, but is not a natural WR. I see him being like a Dante Hall or Hester when they played WR, but with a little more upside. He should replace Graham next year or sooner, but I don't think he'll be higher than the 3rd option anytime soon.

In dynasty, Woods is far more valuable than Goodwin.
What makes you say Goodwin isn't a natural receiver? The talk all summer long from the coaching staff and local writers during camp and preseason was how impressed they were with his hands and how surprised they were with his route running.

And while I really like Robert Woods, I think this talk of him being another Reggie Wayne is foolish. Wayne played with more top end speed than Woods has. Woods has excellent hands, is smart and is an excellent route runner, but he doesn't have top end speed and he's not very tall. I still think he'll ultimately be more productive than Goodwin, but I don't think he'll ever be a top flight WR and I do think there is an outside chance to Goodwin could be. Woods has the higher floor, but I think Goodwin ultimately has the higher ceiling.

 
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I'm a Bills fanatic, and here're my take:

Stevie Johnson is still the #1 target, and will be the slot WR when everyone is healthy. Johnson isn't real fast, but may have the best "moves" of any WR in the NFL, and is not going anywhere soon.

Robert Woods is the top outside WR, and will be taking over the #1 target label from SJ13, probably by end of next year IMO. Woods has Reggie Wayne type WR1 potential. When he comes back healthy after the bye and has Manual back at QB, he'll start to show it again.

TJ Graham is technically a starter opposite Woods on the outside (in 3WR sets), but he has no fantasy value. He has shown almost nothing now in 2 years, and will likely be out of football in a year or 2.

Goodwin is explosive & can catch, but is not a natural WR. I see him being like a Dante Hall or Hester when they played WR, but with a little more upside. He should replace Graham next year or sooner, but I don't think he'll be higher than the 3rd option anytime soon.

In dynasty, Woods is far more valuable than Goodwin.
What makes you say Goodwin isn't a natural receiver? The talk all summer long from the coaching staff and local writers during camp and preseason was how impressed they were with his hands and how surprised they were with his route running.

And while I really like Robert Woods, I think this talk of him being another Reggie Wayne is foolish. Wayne played with more top end speed than Woods has. Woods has excellent hands, is smart and is an excellent route runner, but he doesn't have top end speed and he's not very tall. I still think he'll ultimately be more productive than Goodwin, but I don't think he'll ever be a top flight WR and I do think there is an outside chance to Goodwin could be. Woods has the higher floor, but I think Goodwin ultimately has the higher ceiling.
Reggie Wayne was 6' 1" 198lbs coming into the NFL, and ran a 4.45 40yd. Robert Woods is 6' 0" 201 lbs, and ran a 4.42 40yd. They were both the best route runner & most NFL-ready WR in their draft class. Wayne was the 30th pick in the draft, Woods was 41st. They really couldn't be much more similar.

I really like Goodwin too, but it's crazy to think he'll be much more than a role player at the NFL level based on what he's shown so far.

Goodwin's ceiling is a FF WR3 in my opinion, and that's only IF he becomes the #2 option in Buffalo after Stevie Johnson is gone in 2-3+ years. Woods will already be a fantasy WR3 going into next season.

 
Goodwin looks like the perfect boom/bust WR3/4 that you sometimes need to have at the ready if you are outmatched going into the fantasy playoffs. Wouldn't touch him if my team is stacked and favored. But he's got the upside to catch lightning in a bottle and propel your team over a better team. The downside is the higher ceiling/low floor guy was just going to lead you to a loss anyway.
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I feel like that is the right call in redraft for sure... In dynasty Im very intrigued especially in Return Yardage leagues... In those particular leagues guys like Randall Cobb & are golden because they get the return yardage (which are just a little bonus in my leagues) but also are involved on offense... Cobb was vaulted to a top 5 WR last yr in leagues like the ones I play in. I know nobody cares (Penix) but im trying to add context to help gauge Goodwin's value.

As a WR I've been impressed obviously with his holy moly speed but also pleasantly surprised with his physicality and route running from what I've seen of his limited opportunities. Leagues with bonuses for long TDs could also add value in the situation laid out by Raiderfan32904.

Im always an optimist so take this with a large grain of salt but in Marquis Goodwin I see flashes of a young Steve Smith out of Carolina. I also saw those flashes in Jacoby Ford but that hasn't worked out all that well since his rookie year.

FlashGoodwin is Early... as in he will get downfield before you will early... that speed is ridiculous

 
Reggie Wayne was 6' 1" 198lbs coming into the NFL, and ran a 4.45 40yd. Robert Woods is 6' 0" 201 lbs, and ran a 4.42 40yd. They were both the best route runner & most NFL-ready WR in their draft class. Wayne was the 30th pick in the draft, Woods was 41st. They really couldn't be much more similar.


I really like Goodwin too, but it's crazy to think he'll be much more than a role player at the NFL level based on what he's shown so far.

Goodwin's ceiling is a FF WR3 in my opinion, and that's only IF he becomes the #2 option in Buffalo after Stevie Johnson is gone in 2-3+ years. Woods will already be a fantasy WR3 going into next season.
You are probably right (i.e. you've laid out the most likely scenario). But there's always a degree of magnitude to be considered with any "most likely" case and in this instance, I don't think it's a high degree. Goodwin has ELITE speed and decent hands. If his hands and routes further develop, look out. He overall game reminds me of a young Steve Smith, but with better top end speed. He still has a way to go to be anything like a prime Steve Smith, but it took Smiffy three years to do that himself, so some patience may be needed here. That said, he's about as far from a prime Smith as Woods is from a prime Wayne, so we'll see who actually steps up. Both will need Manuel to ascend as well to really hit their stride.

 
Graham's hands are atrocious. It's only a matter of time before Goodwin completely eclipses him in this offense. I consider Goodwin to be a nice breakout candidate for 2014 for many of the reasons already listed in this thread (improved route running, speed, hands). In redraft this year you'll likely be point chasing but I love owning him in a keeper league just to see how he progresses for next year.

 
Reggie Wayne was 6' 1" 198lbs coming into the NFL, and ran a 4.45 40yd. Robert Woods is 6' 0" 201 lbs, and ran a 4.42 40yd. They were both the best route runner & most NFL-ready WR in their draft class. Wayne was the 30th pick in the draft, Woods was 41st. They really couldn't be much more similar.


I really like Goodwin too, but it's crazy to think he'll be much more than a role player at the NFL level based on what he's shown so far.

Goodwin's ceiling is a FF WR3 in my opinion, and that's only IF he becomes the #2 option in Buffalo after Stevie Johnson is gone in 2-3+ years. Woods will already be a fantasy WR3 going into next season.
You are probably right (i.e. you've laid out the most likely scenario). But there's always a degree of magnitude to be considered with any "most likely" case and in this instance, I don't think it's a high degree. Goodwin has ELITE speed and decent hands. If his hands and routes further develop, look out. He overall game reminds me of a young Steve Smith, but with better top end speed. He still has a way to go to be anything like a prime Steve Smith, but it took Smiffy three years to do that himself, so some patience may be needed here. That said, he's about as far from a prime Smith as Woods is from a prime Wayne, so we'll see who actually steps up. Both will need Manuel to ascend as well to really hit their stride.
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Goodwin, Marquise BUF WR 15 0 5 17 0 20

Those are his six game points in my league. Seems like the guy is the typical homerun WR. When he hits, its usually with a TD and some yards. When he doesn't, it's a big fat zero. I am intrigued though especially if Stevie Johnson sits for a bit longer. The only problem is that Johnson and Woods are on pace to return week 13.

Out of the bye, here's his opponents and their defensive rankings.

Week Opponent Rush Def Pass Def

13 vs Falcons 28 22 Free Agent - Add

14 at Buccaneers 8 18 Free Agent

15 at Jaguars 30 25 Free Agent

16 vs Dolphins 23 19 Free Agent

17 at Patriots 25 12 Free Agent

 
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Love Goodwin. This player is the reason I hate the kickoffs takung place five yards up. Little to no run backs.

I cant see Goodwin busting into the starting line up with Stevie and Woods. That actually is an excellent 1-2-3 wr lineup. Johnson, woods and Goodwin. Now its up to EJ to be consistant

 
Goodwin, Marquise BUF WR 15 0 5 17 0 20

Those are his six game points in my league. Seems like the guy is the typical homerun WR. When he hits, its usually with a TD and some yards. When he doesn't, it's a big fat zero. I am intrigued though especially if Stevie Johnson sits for a bit longer. The only problem is that Johnson and Woods are on pace to return week 13.

Out of the bye, here's his opponents and their defensive rankings.

Week Opponent Rush Def Pass Def

13 vs Falcons 28 22 Free Agent - Add

14 at Buccaneers 8 18 Free Agent

15 at Jaguars 30 25 Free Agent

16 vs Dolphins 23 19 Free Agent

17 at Patriots 25 12 Free Agent
Don't underestimate the time that Manuel and Goodwin have had to work together in practice and on the field lately. The homerun ability is documented and there's no denying Goodwin's upside. Even when Johnson/Woods return, Goodwin isn't going to fade away. He's got some serious wheels and good hands, just starting to put it together. I'd rather have him safely rostered, even if only on my bench over some steady eddies like Brian Hartline for instance. Going into the fantasy playoffs, you need the most explosive lineup. The picture on Goodwin may solidify between now and then, and your confidence level my shoot up by then. But if you don't grab him now cheap off the wire, you will be never know.

 
Goodwin, Marquise BUF WR 15 0 5 17 0 20

Those are his six game points in my league. Seems like the guy is the typical homerun WR. When he hits, its usually with a TD and some yards. When he doesn't, it's a big fat zero. I am intrigued though especially if Stevie Johnson sits for a bit longer. The only problem is that Johnson and Woods are on pace to return week 13.

Out of the bye, here's his opponents and their defensive rankings.

Week Opponent Rush Def Pass Def

13 vs Falcons 28 22 Free Agent - Add

14 at Buccaneers 8 18 Free Agent

15 at Jaguars 30 25 Free Agent

16 vs Dolphins 23 19 Free Agent

17 at Patriots 25 12 Free Agent
Don't underestimate the time that Manuel and Goodwin have had to work together in practice and on the field lately. The homerun ability is documented and there's no denying Goodwin's upside. Even when Johnson/Woods return, Goodwin isn't going to fade away. He's got some serious wheels and good hands, just starting to put it together. I'd rather have him safely rostered, even if only on my bench over some steady eddies like Brian Hartline for instance. Going into the fantasy playoffs, you need the most explosive lineup. The picture on Goodwin may solidify between now and then, and your confidence level my shoot up by then. But if you don't grab him now cheap off the wire, you will be never know.
The playoff schedule does look decent, If I was up against a superior opponent in Fantasy I would consider firing him up as a WR3 over someone like Steve Smith in a bad matchup (return yardage league). Higher ceiling.

 
Gargoylez said:
I cant see Goodwin busting into the starting line up with Stevie and Woods. That actually is an excellent 1-2-3 wr lineup. Johnson, woods and Goodwin. Now its up to EJ to be consistant
Buffalo's base formation is 3 WR with Stevie Johnson in the slot. Goodwin only has to jump TJ Graham to be a starter, and that shouldn't be an issue.

 
He reminds me of Ted Ginn.
Ted Ginn was startable as a WR3 in my return leagues his first 3 years, but his # of returns has gone down a lot since then. I think Goodwin could be better than Ginn though in standard scoring. Ginn is on pace for Career highs in yds and touchdowns with about 700/5 this year. Goodwin is already at 261/3 in very limited action. Either way, I guess I wouldn't want to rely on either in the championship game though...good comparison. Maybe a Santana Moss type ceiling for Goodwin? And of course that is being very generous since Moss had some really nice seasons.

 
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Rotoworld:

E.J. Manuel said Marquise Goodwin "is a guy you want to get him the ball."

Goodwin, a lighting fast third-round rookie, is opening eyes in Buffalo. Over the last four games, he's totaled 13 catches for 210 yards with two touchdowns -- including a roasting of Antonio Cromartie in Week 11. There won't be much re-draft appeal in Week 13 if Stevie Johnson (groin) and Robert Woods (ankle) are healthy, but Dynasty owners need to take note. Goodwin is a player.


Source: buffalobills.com
 
A couple of names to pick up this week in the RB world. I think I should be able to grab Goodwin no problem. I'm hoping he can be a homerun hitter if one of my big guns starts sputtering.

 
Rotoworld:

Bills coach Doug Marrone wants to get Marquise Goodwin more involved in the offense for the final three games of the season.

"I think Marquise Goodwin — and I talked to (OC Nathaniel) Hackett about this — I think we have to get him in there more," Marrone said. Marrone said the same is true of T.J. Graham, but that Graham needs to "work on becoming more consistent." Sitting at 4-9 with one of the league's youngest offenses, the Bills should be in full-on evaluation mode for Weeks 15-17. Goodwin is worth a gander as a boom-or-bust WR4/5.

Related: T.J. Graham

Source: buffalobills.com
 
Rotoworld:

Bills coach Doug Marrone wants to get Marquise Goodwin more involved in the offense for the final three games of the season.

"I think Marquise Goodwin — and I talked to (OC Nathaniel) Hackett about this — I think we have to get him in there more," Marrone said. Marrone said the same is true of T.J. Graham, but that Graham needs to "work on becoming more consistent." Sitting at 4-9 with one of the league's youngest offenses, the Bills should be in full-on evaluation mode for Weeks 15-17. Goodwin is worth a gander as a boom-or-bust WR4/5.

Related: T.J. Graham

Source: buffalobills.com
GOOD! It makes absolutely no sense why he wasn't worked in as a consistent part of the offense once he flashed back in week 11...it's not like the Bills have a great WR core that would block him from playing time.

 
Rotoworld:

Bills coach Doug Marrone wants to get Marquise Goodwin more involved in the offense for the final three games of the season.

"I think Marquise Goodwin — and I talked to (OC Nathaniel) Hackett about this — I think we have to get him in there more," Marrone said. Marrone said the same is true of T.J. Graham, but that Graham needs to "work on becoming more consistent." Sitting at 4-9 with one of the league's youngest offenses, the Bills should be in full-on evaluation mode for Weeks 15-17. Goodwin is worth a gander as a boom-or-bust WR4/5.

Related: T.J. Graham

Source: buffalobills.com
GOOD! It makes absolutely no sense why he wasn't worked in as a consistent part of the offense once he flashed back in week 11...it's not like the Bills have a great WR core that would block him from playing time.
Hasn't Goodwin been banged up all season?

 
Yeah and this is coming from the same coach who proclaimed in te preseason that spiller would be the bills' workhorse back and he would ony come out when he has to throw up.

 
Rotoworld:

Bills coach Doug Marrone wants to get Marquise Goodwin more involved in the offense for the final three games of the season.

"I think Marquise Goodwin — and I talked to (OC Nathaniel) Hackett about this — I think we have to get him in there more," Marrone said. Marrone said the same is true of T.J. Graham, but that Graham needs to "work on becoming more consistent." Sitting at 4-9 with one of the league's youngest offenses, the Bills should be in full-on evaluation mode for Weeks 15-17. Goodwin is worth a gander as a boom-or-bust WR4/5.

Related: T.J. Graham

Source: buffalobills.com
GOOD! It makes absolutely no sense why he wasn't worked in as a consistent part of the offense once he flashed back in week 11...it's not like the Bills have a great WR core that would block him from playing time.
Hasn't Goodwin been banged up all season?
Since his breakout game, all he's had is a minor calf strain that happened in practice last week. He lost time on the field because Johnson and Woods got healthy and pushed him back down the depth chart. No reason that he shouldn't have been seeing as much time on the field as those two.

 
Reading about Da'Rick Rodgers breaking out in IND last week nearly made me sick to my stomach.

I was a HUGE fan of that kid making the team and thought he was a major steal as a UDFA.

Instead, the Bills give his roster spot to TJ Graham... Ughhhh

Sorry this is totally unrelated to Goodwin but I had to vent after the "Buffalo is where WR's go to die" comment

 
Rotoworld:

Marquise Goodwin left Sunday's Week 16 game against the Dolphins with a knee injury and will not return.
At the end of a reverse during the first half, Goodwin got tackled awkwardly on the sidelined. As he flipped over, his foot appeared to stamp in the ground and cause a twist in his knee. The speedy third-round rookie was quickly ruled out for the game, hinting at a serious injury.
 
Rotoworld:

Marquise Goodwin (knee) is practicing Tuesday.
Goodwin went down early in the Week 16 win over the Dolphins after getting tackled awkwardly on a reverse. He didn't return to the game, but apparently escaped with no serious injury. The rookie speed demon appears on track to get some reps in the season finale.

Source: buffalobills.com
 
I thought Buffalo really did a great job in this previous draft. I didn't on draft day, but more and more I like so many pieces they added to the mix.

Goodwin reminds me more of Chris Sanders, Kevin Dyson types. They were wow too with speed and then when teams figured it out they weren't so great. Maybe he shouldn't have "it" as a rook yet, I'm not sure on him. He's a piece to the puzzle and has a bright future.

 
Rotoworld:

Marquise Goodwin caught one pass for 22 yards in Buffalo's Week 17 loss to the Patriots.
Goodwin's first-quarter grab was his only target of the afternoon. The rookie speedster ends his first NFL campaign with 17 catches for 283 yards and three touchdowns. Goodwin has serious lid-lifting ability, but is a slight 5-foot-9, 183 pounds. He dealt with a number of minor injuries this season, missing four total games. Goodwin is worth stashing in Dynasty leagues, but won't open 2014 with any real re-draft appeal.
 

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