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They can agree to a trade for any compensation. If the tender were signed, they would have to give up their own pick, which in this case is the higher of the two. If the Seahawks pick were at 14, then that is the pick they would give up.fridayfrenzy said:
Apparently the poster I responded to does... Anyway, like I said, I would still rather have a franchise QB and LT on the roster (with the 6th pick) than Marshall, in two to three years. But rumors are going around that it might be a 2nd and 4th. That is much more doable in my opinion.
BM is nothing like HBay, at least BM can CATCH the ball ...FavreCo said:
I would be VERY surprised if Seattle trades the 6th, or even the 14th pick for that matter. This seems like Seattle is using this as an opportunity to bring in Marshall to negotiate a contract and then can set up a trade with Denver for lesser picks than the tender.
Sorry but you are dreaming. Broncos put a first round tender for a reason.
Teams put high tenders on players all the time, it doesn't mean that is the minimum they are expecting in a trade. The tender is a way of having the upper hand in negotiations, and not losing the player to some lower 2nd or 3rd round pick.
Please provide me some examples of where a team put a 1st round tender on a player and then traded that player for less than a first.
Matt Cassel in 2009 - Cassel was franchised which is a tender of two 1st rounders. He and Vrabel were traded for a 2nd rounder.Jared Allen in 2008 - Allen was franchised and then traded for a 1st and two 3rds
This is how the game is played.FavreCo said:
Darren Sproles in no less than 30 days.
Franchised is not a RFA.
He has been traded?Maybe it has happened I don't know. But the Broncos would be idiots to trade him for less than a first.
It's essentially the same thing. The Franchise tag is just the highest form of tendering a player. You asked for an example of someone being tendered a 1st and then trading for less, and I gave you examples of players who were tendered for two 1sts, and then being traded for less.
This is probably a case of a Denver homer thinking his team will get the world for Marshall.
You aren't going to be getting Larry Allen or Peyton Manning with the pick, and its about 50/50 that its gonna be a solid starter at all. Marshall will be similarly productive in 5 years as to what he is now, you don't go from the animal he is now to an average WR in 5 years.MG345 said:
You asked for an example of a tendered player that was traded for less than the tender. Cassel fits.
nope, just a bronco fan that thinks the should resign him if the best they are going to get is a second and fourth. First or bust.Time will tell.
I would think the Seattle brass would want to at least meet him before they spend a 1 and give him a 30+ MM deal, it's not like he doesn't have a sterling rep as a choirboy or woman beater or anything like that.BusterTBronco said:
There have been other good WRs that disappear by the age of 30.
not even close. and i don't think the trade value "charts" have any practical value anyway.
Several years ago, I read "the chart" as in the one made by Jimmy Johnson in the early 1990 (or whenever he took over) was for that year and that year only, but it's been adopted by the industry anyway.
I agree no way that Denver keeps both 1st round pick, that's why i was wondering if a 2nd and 4th was a fair exchange. Why would they except a 2nd and 4th when they will receive the 6th and move it for better.If Seattle signs him to an offer sheet and the Broncos do not match they will get the #6 pick. Its RFA rules and there should be no talk of the 6 or 14 cause there isnt a decision to be made. And mark it down, Denver will not draft the 6 and 11 spots. One of those picks will be moved. Or both to move up even higher. No way Bowlen pays 1st round contracts to 2 players in the top 11 draft slots. If Denver can get the 6th overall for BMarsh they should pull the trigger, won't get better than that. And why draft Dez Bryant when they just shipped a malcontent WR out of town? That makes no sense.
I could see the Broncos trying to move both to move up higher and get Bradford or one of the DTs. Or trade the 11th to move back and pickup additional picks to fill more needs. If they draft Dez at 6th they should just keep Marshall as he is a proven WR. But Marshall won't play another down as a Bronco.I agree no way that Denver keeps both 1st round pick, that's why i was wondering if a 2nd and 4th was a fair exchange. Why would they except a 2nd and 4th when they will receive the 6th and move it for better.If Seattle signs him to an offer sheet and the Broncos do not match they will get the #6 pick. Its RFA rules and there should be no talk of the 6 or 14 cause there isnt a decision to be made. And mark it down, Denver will not draft the 6 and 11 spots. One of those picks will be moved. Or both to move up even higher. No way Bowlen pays 1st round contracts to 2 players in the top 11 draft slots. If Denver can get the 6th overall for BMarsh they should pull the trigger, won't get better than that. And why draft Dez Bryant when they just shipped a malcontent WR out of town? That makes no sense.
Don't think we are dreaming just discussing the rumor.
They are discussing this on talk radio right now. Agree noway they take a WR at 6th.I could see the Broncos trying to move both to move up higher and get Bradford or one of the DTs. Or trade the 11th to move back and pickup additional picks to fill more needs. If they draft Dez at 6th they should just keep Marshall as he is a proven WR. But Marshall won't play another down as a Bronco.I agree no way that Denver keeps both 1st round pick, that's why i was wondering if a 2nd and 4th was a fair exchange. Why would they except a 2nd and 4th when they will receive the 6th and move it for better.If Seattle signs him to an offer sheet and the Broncos do not match they will get the #6 pick. Its RFA rules and there should be no talk of the 6 or 14 cause there isnt a decision to be made. And mark it down, Denver will not draft the 6 and 11 spots. One of those picks will be moved. Or both to move up even higher. No way Bowlen pays 1st round contracts to 2 players in the top 11 draft slots. If Denver can get the 6th overall for BMarsh they should pull the trigger, won't get better than that. And why draft Dez Bryant when they just shipped a malcontent WR out of town? That makes no sense.
Drafting Okung if he is available wouldn't be a bad move. Having him and Clady as bookends on the O line would help the offense tremendously. But I could see them grabbing Bradford or Clausen.They are discussing this on talk radio right now. Agree noway they take a WR at 6th.I could see the Broncos trying to move both to move up higher and get Bradford or one of the DTs. Or trade the 11th to move back and pickup additional picks to fill more needs. If they draft Dez at 6th they should just keep Marshall as he is a proven WR. But Marshall won't play another down as a Bronco.I agree no way that Denver keeps both 1st round pick, that's why i was wondering if a 2nd and 4th was a fair exchange. Why would they except a 2nd and 4th when they will receive the 6th and move it for better.If Seattle signs him to an offer sheet and the Broncos do not match they will get the #6 pick. Its RFA rules and there should be no talk of the 6 or 14 cause there isnt a decision to be made. And mark it down, Denver will not draft the 6 and 11 spots. One of those picks will be moved. Or both to move up even higher. No way Bowlen pays 1st round contracts to 2 players in the top 11 draft slots. If Denver can get the 6th overall for BMarsh they should pull the trigger, won't get better than that. And why draft Dez Bryant when they just shipped a malcontent WR out of town? That makes no sense.
I'm curious, name a couple that have been on Marshall's level that have disappeared by 30 without a serious injury. I have a hard time believing that there are many, if any. And if there are two things that won't leave any athlete as they age, within reason, its height and strength, and thats where a lot of his football skill comes from.
Ryan Harris, the other OT is a stud too, not Okung good, but good enough where this wouldn't even be a thought.Drafting Okung if he is available wouldn't be a bad move. Having him and Clady as bookends on the O line would help the offense tremendously. But I could see them grabbing Bradford or Clausen.They are discussing this on talk radio right now. Agree noway they take a WR at 6th.I could see the Broncos trying to move both to move up higher and get Bradford or one of the DTs. Or trade the 11th to move back and pickup additional picks to fill more needs. If they draft Dez at 6th they should just keep Marshall as he is a proven WR. But Marshall won't play another down as a Bronco.I agree no way that Denver keeps both 1st round pick, that's why i was wondering if a 2nd and 4th was a fair exchange. Why would they except a 2nd and 4th when they will receive the 6th and move it for better.If Seattle signs him to an offer sheet and the Broncos do not match they will get the #6 pick. Its RFA rules and there should be no talk of the 6 or 14 cause there isnt a decision to be made. And mark it down, Denver will not draft the 6 and 11 spots. One of those picks will be moved. Or both to move up even higher. No way Bowlen pays 1st round contracts to 2 players in the top 11 draft slots. If Denver can get the 6th overall for BMarsh they should pull the trigger, won't get better than that. And why draft Dez Bryant when they just shipped a malcontent WR out of town? That makes no sense.
We are talking about Denver getting the 6th and the 11th. No way they keep both. I think the Broncos want Bradford or one of the DTs. They wont get them at 14 and not at 6th. Maybe trade up using both, which I don't think happens either.
From the sound of the Seattle guys, Marshall would be like putting nice rims on a wreck.BusterTBronco said:Good luck with Houshmanzadeh and Branch as your starting WR next year. You guys are really cornering the market on old and slow.
Has to be the 6th if Seattle signs him. I can see Denver matching and then trading him to Seattle, which I think will be what happens, but not for a 2nd and 4th. Using the 2nd and 4th causes that's what was being discussed when I joined the discussion.
No, I meant that Seattle should not to the deal at all and just grab Dez with one of their 1st round picks. I liked the mocks that showed Seattle drafting Clausen and Dez in the 1st. I mean, I realize that Marshall is "proven" but he has also proven why he can be bad for your organization as well. I say start fresh with Dez for Seattle.
Butler > BranchDez and Butler split wide with Housh in the slot.BusterTBronco said:Good luck with Houshmanzadeh and Branch as your starting WR next year. You guys are really cornering the market on old and slow.
Got-ya. Which does make sense from Seattles side. Edited to add: Looking at it this way, why would Seattle be looking at this? Must be something all ready being worked on between Denver and Seattle.
Odd. This is what I said, yet the Bronco fans seem to think it is HAS to be the 6th pick.
Yep. Honestly, what good is a high profile WR if your QB doesn't have time to throw the ball?Butler > BranchDez and Butler split wide with Housh in the slot.BusterTBronco said:Good luck with Houshmanzadeh and Branch as your starting WR next year. You guys are really cornering the market on old and slow.
